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Bare Naked ... Not So Young ... Ladies

By Vanessa Richmond, The Tyee. Posted October 8, 2009.


What does it say when aging superstar models keep trying to emulate their far younger "sisters?"
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Several "older" women have been taking their kits off, to use the British expression. Seems they're bucking the trend of settling down, possibly out to prove that their, um, assets haven't settled at all.

Claudia Schiffer, 39, is in Tank magazine (with the line, "I Claudia,"), Mila Jovovich is in Purple magazine, French first lady Carla Bruni Sarkozy has announced a new exhibition of previously unreleased nude photos of her, and Heidi Klum is on Page Six, to name a few.

Women taking their clothes off in magazines and on TV -- whether they bare all or not -- is hardly news. But the number of women taking off over the age of 30 is. And it falls in a year when two legendary film "goddesses," Brigitte Bardot and Sophia Loren, will turn 75, and are aging publicly in very different ways.

Redefining beauty?

The idea of a glass (or numeric) ceiling couldn't be less absurd when it comes to beauty. But, nonetheless, until recently, women over 30 were considered "on the shelf," or old maids, and few "aging" models or actors got work. (Think of the shameful scene in Mad Men when someone posts the Marilyn Monroe-esque office manager, Joan Holloway's, driver's license on the bulletin board, showing she's, gasp, 31.)

I have to say I'm bothered that these women have decided that the best way to change public perception of women's beauty is to fight to play in the same arena as those in their 20s, rather than fighting to create a new arena altogether. I mean, I don't know many women over the age of 35 who would win a bathing suit contest even against her own 20-year-old self. I don't see many older Olympic athletes either -- it's pretty incontrovertible that the body declines as it ages.

And I don't think physical "perfection" is the only measure of things. I feel more attractive in some ways than when I was 20, but not because I have a better six pack (or one pack, as I heard someone over the age of 40 refer to it recently), and less attractive in others. I don't see these women highlighting the things that become better with age -- and each of them has many such things (power, knowledge, style, success...), and that seems a waste.

George Clooney isn't posing in his Speedo, showing that he hasn't fallen off the radar now that Zac Effron and Co. is here. And we're not asking him to. He's known for his smarts, charm, twinkle, success and so on.


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Tyee Contributing Editor Vanessa Richmond writes the Schlock and Awe column about popular culture and the media. She is also the former managing editor of the Tyee.

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They're all thin
Posted by: The Antichrist on Oct 8, 2009 12:47 AM   
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Not one of those womean are 165lbs - the average weight of an American women.

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» Yes womean may weight 165 lbs, Posted by: bitsfick
» They could easily be 165 Posted by: Wendiego
» RE: They're all thin Posted by: locke403
Naked
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 8, 2009 3:02 AM   
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Like the article says, attractive is attractive, regardless of age, size, etc...including looks.

I agree with Renn, that there ought to be more variety, though it should not be force-fed to us, as if we're obligated to look at old or fat people to fulfill some PC quota or ease our guilt. It may sound like a difficult distinction, but I know it when I see it.

The other one that bothers me is when so-and-so goes stomping around the talk show circuit trying to "prove" she's still attractive after weight loss or a makeover. It comes across as shallow, desperate and immature, and is the difference between looking half-decent for your age in one or two pictures, and being attractive in the broader, deeper sense.

To pick one example, I kind of like the older, wacky aunt version of Carrie Fisher. I have yet to see her try on the gold bikini at her age, but if she does, I imagine it will be as a joke.

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» RE: Naked Posted by: Tweck9
» RE: Naked Posted by: jestru
Mila Jovovich is Venus in a purple disguise!
Posted by: Nitestallion on Oct 8, 2009 4:42 AM   
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And what do you mean not so young? All those women are babies. They are all cuter than a bugs rear, but then, anything is!

I have wished to worship at the temple of Venus without entering therein. In the case of these ladies I have no worries on that score; I'll never even see them in person.

Vanessa, I am 63 so you are all babies to me. If I were to date Mila for instance I would be accused of Cradle Robbing. I am what laugh in used to term a DOM (dirty old man) but inside here where I live I am 16 and quite well thanks.

Now I admit Emma Watson is way to young but these other ladies are just right! My sister was 42 when she had her last baby and our grandmother was 53 when aunt L. was born.

Besides Mila is so hard bodied you could bounce a quarter off her but you might get killed by the ricochet.

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» 30 prime Posted by: BlueTigress
There is biology to consider....
Posted by: drosera on Oct 8, 2009 5:19 AM   
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As a man, I love relatively slim bodies that have been well-taken care of, with nice bones and breasts uplifted, the gentle curves in the right places. Aging is something else again, something that in its earliest stages does little to interfere with the overall effect. Overweight and flabby models will never make it for me, even if they do make up the majority of American womanhood. If some women don't give a damn what people like me think, fine. But don't whine about the injustice of fashion magazines that cater to human biological preferences.

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Our Society
Posted by: Southern Gal on Oct 8, 2009 6:11 AM   
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Our society emphasizes youth and beauty. Clearly beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We should rethink our priorities and go for good physical and mental health. We as a people need to eat right, exercise regularly, practice stress reduction techniques and offer compassion to our fellow beings and animals.

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Does the author actually believe that decisions to show...
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 8, 2009 6:50 AM   
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...naked pictures of aging pin-up stars are made by aging pin-up stars? This is not about where these brave bimbos choose to compete; it is about what the publishers think will sell. I think this is really nothing more than a recognition that the male readership of these magazines is graying, and that they are interested in seeing the skin of their old favorites.

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Ridiculous
Posted by: QQOblivion on Oct 8, 2009 7:18 AM   
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What I find ridiculous is that 30 year old women have ever been considered to be "sag hags".

I'm 43, and have found some women even in their late 50's to be beautiful and worthy of dating.
I'm sure as I age I will be attracted to even older and older women.

At my current age, I would be robbing the cradle if I dated a woman in her early 30's!

PS: And I would much rather date an overweight woman of any age than an underweight woman.

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youth
Posted by: astralman on Oct 8, 2009 7:24 AM   
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general question, how did we become a "youth oriented" society? was there ever a time when to grow old was admired?

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» RE: youth Posted by: Wacre
Beauty/Age In The Eye of the Beholder
Posted by: reinaldokool on Oct 8, 2009 9:48 AM   
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I have a website with many photos of nude women. They range in age from 21 to 74. Each is beautiful in her own way. I try to show the beauty inherent in the human, particularly the female, form at many ages, sizes and shapes.

Advertisements and TV/Media have promoted the idea that only youth has a chance of being beautiful and that only if she is thin. If a woman is over thirty she has no right to think of herself as beautiful. If she wears a size 6-8, she's in, larger need not apply. This is stupid. If it were true, many men would not find their wives beautiful at 60 and 65--but they do.

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder and I behold many women of 40, 50, even 70, who can only be called beautiful. Their beautiful spirit and personality shows in their physical body.

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Thank You!!
Posted by: Johnism on Oct 8, 2009 9:55 AM   
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Thanks for the link to Mila Jovovich. Bod looks as good as it did over a decade ago in 5th Element. Kind of defeats your point don't you think?? I wish I could get a "mutli pass" that works on her. Yummmmmm

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» RE: Thank You!! Posted by: migalita
» RE: Thank You!! Posted by: Tweck9
What? NO.
Posted by: stellabloo on Oct 8, 2009 12:17 PM   
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This is another of those wishful thinking articles, like articles about how attitudes towards pot prohibition are softening when in fact it's more like the complete opposite.

Hooray, supermodels are still skinny at almost 40! But if they are trying to show that older women "still have it", they are not somewhat off-base in their tactics, they have fallen off completely off the edge of the earth.

For example:

Are You a Skinny, Fat Person?

"Everyone admires the supermodel who “never works out” and “eats everything” yet still manages to look fabulous. Some of us even strive for her looks by following a diet of lattes and lettuce. What’s surprising is that this beautiful, slim woman may actually have high body fat and the foundation for chronic disease. "

Chain-smoked and starved my way into a size 8 by the age of 23... but once I quit cigarettes and alcohol and got into mountain-biking and skiing, my butt did indeed go up a size - from the extra muscle.

20-some years later and speaking from much and varied experience, I would say that most women still fall into the same trap.

Women's clothes, for example, are by and large useless pieces of frippery that are not designed for work or movement or sweat. Women's shoes (unless you buy specialty athletic shoes) are useless. Makeup is unbelievably unhealthy for your skin - and useless.

The only message here is that yes, it is possible to do everything, "because you're worth it", entirely possible to starve and color and botox and paint yourself back into youth. The Bottom Line is, as ever, the Bottom Line and the message is the same: THE MEANING OF LIFE IS CONSUMPTION IS THE MEANING OF LIFE

... which of course is the same trap that a lot of us have fallen into for a long time :.?

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Maybe we should just stop entertaining shallow perceptions about "beauty"...
Posted by: Tweck9 on Oct 8, 2009 12:50 PM   
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Really, shouldn't we just stop conforming to shallow perceptions about "beauty"?

All people are beautiful, regardless of age or weight, or how "perfect" their breasts are, or how thin their legs are.

It's ridiculous, this perception of "youth" and "smoothness" as being some indicator of "beauty".

I've always found this whole scene to be relatively noxious, and more a result of conformity, mindlessness and shallowness than anything else.

Don't get me wrong, we should admire beauty, but the way most of us go around defining beauty based on something a magazine decided, or shallow, jocular conformist culture, is really gross.

These women should parade their beautiful bodies around. They ARE just as beautiful as their "younger" peers with the smooth skin and perky boobs. It's all relative, but we fail to recognize this in our endless attachments to conformist culture.

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Yet I saw so many MEN in here raving about Sara Palin,
Posted by: Ellie1 on Oct 8, 2009 1:01 PM   
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about how attractive she is. I look at her (I am woman)and see nothing attractive at all-NOTHING. I see a witty intelligent person as more attractive than any of the current crop of brainless curvy bodies. That is why I'd take George Cluny over Tom Cruise any day. Sex appeal is NOT in the eye and brain of the beholder, and not in the body of the appealee. Like most things connected to appearance, it is all between the ears.

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News Flash--30 is sexy and fit, see Gwen Stefani
Posted by: ladyoracle on Oct 8, 2009 4:55 PM   
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My first question is this: Vanessa, how old are you?

I just turned 30, and the day before my birthday I was asked to model for a BCBG Fall line in-store launch. That was hardly a mag cover, and their intention was to get "real women" but I wear a size 2 and can rock a micro mini like Gwyneth Paltrow--in her mid-30s thanks so very much.

Olympic athletes might be quite young, but women hit running peak around age 33, so instead of bemoaning that you don't look like a 20 yr old, Vanessa, I suggest you get off the couch and make your 30-something self look and feel its personal best. Spider veins will not prevent you from finishing a marathon, and the women with the best times are predominantly in the 30s. You will probably surprise yourself. I look better now than I did at 20, actually, because I am still thin, but more toned. Yes, I have to work harder to stay this way, but no one ever staying beautiful was easy, but it is possible, girl, get with the program.

Your article reeks of ageism with a very thin disguise of feminist body politics.

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» mmmmm... sounds good Posted by: ChicagoWay
W.T.F.?!
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 8, 2009 6:23 PM   
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I have to say I'm bothered that these women have decided that the best way to change public perception of women's beauty is to fight to play in the same arena as those in their 20s, rather than fighting to create a new arena altogether. I mean, I don't know many women over the age of 35 who would win a bathing suit contest even against her own 20-year-old self.

Why do they need a "new arena" at all? Why the fuck are you bothered about this at all? Jeebus... got ageism or what?

Why the "contest" between one's own younger self in the first place or at all? That's stoopid and I highly doubt that's what's going on at all outside of your own ageist mind.

But the icing on the cake was right here:

I don't see many older Olympic athletes either -- it's pretty incontrovertible that the body declines as it ages.

Okay comparing atheleticism which depends on body performance and mental work to "beauty"?! Gee, that's a perfect comparison... in stoopit land! WTF, girl!

And since when is it "decline" as one "ages"?! What the fuck planet you livin' on?! The one that people disappear at age 22?! Come on!

Jeebus, there's surely appeal of the young to us "old" farts but for fuck's sake, gimme a 30+ woman anyday who isn't nearly as grossly mind-warped as Vanessa about aging. 30+ women know who the fuck they are and they are no longer waiting around for stoopid shit that doesn't matter anymore. They're smarter, better looking, harder hitting, more aware and have more dignity than a kid. IMHO, there's a hell of damned boatload o' hotties in their forties. Age needs to be dignified again. Human is human. This youth-obsession is fucked up, period. I'm so over it.

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» RE: W.T.F.?! Posted by: migalita
» RE: W.T.F.?! Posted by: jestru
Get it right
Posted by: mandiwrite on Oct 10, 2009 11:43 AM   
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BTW, the Brits would not say "get their kits off' - they'd say 'get their kit off'. The plural sounds as ridiculous as saying 'we herd the sheeps' would.

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Blu-ray ripper
Posted by: peker on Oct 10, 2009 6:39 PM   
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Middle-aged woman also has right to pursue beatiful life.
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OK
Posted by: oroot on Oct 13, 2009 8:09 AM   
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Not So Young ? whether she is ....either is ok,sexy is not judged by age merely.
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