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The Complex Sexualities of Young Women

Young women today are faced with pressures and mixed messages about sex everywhere they look.
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Young women today have it so much better when it comes to sex than we did... right? Now and then, when talking about the population I work with and the work I do with them, I will hear or face women my age (I'll be 39 this spring) or older stating that now that we live in a post-feminist world here in the states, they're shocked to hear that young women are struggling with sex and sexuality....well, just like we were. And some struggle even more.

Let's get that post-feminist mishegoss out of the way first. I remember the first time -- it was near the end of the 80s, which probably should have tipped me off to the fact that clearly, the end of the 80's was indeed nigh -- I ever heard someone use that phrase, as blithely as if they'd just said the earth were round. I wondered how the heck I missed the final end of sexism, patriarchy and gender inequality. Surely, if this were so, I'd have heard the long, whining wail of even just one of the Rush Limbaugh's of the world?

I've found the only conclusions I can ever come to when it comes to those who hold the idea that we're post-feminist are that they must a) be feeling the membership they have on the other team is so valuable yet so tenuous that any sign of fraternization (as it were) with the enemy would bring their exile, b) that many women are simply either tired from the struggles of feminism or who see how tired other women have become and don't want to be that worn out themselves, and/or c) be indulging in some seriously wishful thinking and have outrageously low expectations for equality.

I agree: it feels like we should be further along than we are, and should have to wait less long to get there. It feels like we -- and certainly younger women than we -- should be there already. But we're not. I can understand why it can seem like young women have it easier when it comes to sex and sexuality. Their access to many kinds of birth control and to abortion is certainly better than it has been for women in the past, even though that access has had limits imposed upon it in the last ten years and has, at times, been at serious risk. GLBT youth in the U.S., in so many ways, certainly have a more welcoming environment. Many teens and twentysomethings have information on their bodies and their sexuality available to them which many women not only did not have as easily before, but more of that material available is also being penned by women, for women, and is even truly about women sometimes. Better support services are available for this generation when it comes to rape and abuse than even the generation right before them had. Positive and negative body image are things they hear about. Sex and sexuality are discussed more openly and widely.

But all those benefits can also pose some not-so-beneficials, and some very real challenges. Young women now have some extra bags to carry that we before them may not have had to, or found quite so heavy, and either overflowing or vacant with scarcity everywhere we turned. A majority of young American women today do grow up aware that no means no, and told that they have permission to say no. However, many grow up also experiencing that while no may mean no, they don't always have an easy time saying it or feel the permission to. Too many young women are more frequently, and at earlier ages -- which for some is due to sexual development happening earlier historically than it ever has for women before -- finding themselves in the position of responding to sexual invitations and situations.

Statistically, the earlier young women become sexually active, the more frequently they report those very early experiences are coerced: saying no in a highly loaded situation, no matter what generation we belong to, tends to be something that is a lot more difficult the younger we are. As well, the younger women are when they become sexually active, the older their partners tend to be, and the less likely it is that contraception or safer sex practices are used. When they can get past the no, past the maybe, and to the yes, that yes often tends to end in a question mark instead of an exclamation point. The "yes" to sex and sexuality I hear young women often express sounds like the way many of us who took other languages in high school and trying to speak them in the country of their origin in our later years. Like asking with a feigned confidence where the drivel is when we wanted to ask where the bathroom was. Too much of the time, that's unfortunately what the yesses young women discuss sound like to me. ¿Dónde está la bana?

Sparing emergency contraception, there have not been any new advances in available birth control in the last decade: the female condom and the implant were released in the early 90's, and even emergency contraceptive pills were given FDA approval ten years ago, though they'd already been around for some time. Mostly, we've added a couple new ways of delivering the same old hormones we already had. We've had no advances in non-hormonal methods, which is no small deal for teens who may not have access to hormonal methods, or who they may not be so great for, both in terms of their health and their ease-of-use for teens (the typical use rate for the pill drops nearly 10% for adolescents from the adult typical use rate). Too, the use of hormonal methods for menstrual suppression is becoming more popular. With more older women talking about how awesome not having a period is, women in their teens having a hard enough time already accepting the adult changes in their bodies get another message that those changes are as awful and gross as they feel. I'm starting to notice that much in the same way women my mother's age have talked about how the advent of the pill could make it tougher for them to say no to sex (because "I'm worried I'll get pregnant" stopped being such an easy out), some younger women seem to feel pressure from peers and partners to suppress periods for greater sexual accessibility to them. Even EC is only so much of a great advance for them, since in the U.S. it remains out of reach of many women under the age of 18 who cannot buy it over the counter, and who face intense judgment from both their physicians and their pharmacists when they seek it out, and with less chutzpah to draw on to counter that.


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Keep up the struggle!
Posted by: talkville on Jul 26, 2009 9:10 PM   
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First: what does each virgin, each 'pledger', each 'young woman' have to say for herself? Get the space, get the time and get the platform where they can be heard! Autonomy!!

Though I am male, I have allied myself since the late '60's with particular feminist struggles, most especially in the struggle for liberation and for equality. There simply is no "post-" in this. In fact, it seems to me at this late stage that there has arisen more a "pre-" than a post-, alas!.

All social, political and economic struggles contain within them the good, the bad and the ugly. As I walk, while my left leg moves forward, my right leg retreats -- and vice-versa. Where is feminism going???? with whom? for whom?

I confess to immense disappointment over these last 40 years -- it seems in many ways that the eyes which thought they saw a future were in reality directing their gaze to a very distant and medieval place, one we only thought we had overcome a long time ago. It continues as I type this, I'm afraid; at least in very general terms.

One unavoidable, yet extremely consequential fact of the liberation and emancipation of women and their gaining of powers over these last years was the immense extension of their influence and power from the private household into the public arena. It became quite apparent and desirable for women of all layers of our social order to ally themselves not with any particular, actual individual man but to ally themselves with the corporate or state force while they gained their independence in ordering their lives as they saw most beneficial for them. Witness the immense increase of the "single-mom" and single working woman in the public arena -- it is astonishing!! Nowadays, a woman simply doesn't need or require an alliance with a man to determine her trajectory and "life-style"; other than as a source of genetic substance for purposes of reproduction, the woman relies and depends much more fully on state and corporate forces to provide for her livelihood. In this sense this is a "great leap forward" and a profoundly consequential change which has occurred over 40 or so years.

There are negative sides: what about the father-- as noun, not as verb or adjective? Witness the assault and focus on all the 'dead-beat' dads and the moral vituperations and exhortations on the "father to step-up to the plate" etc. These issues are still evolving. Who knows where they will end. They are, however, a call back to Patriarchy, make no mistake.

Feminists, autonomous feminists, time to get to work!

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Bravo! Now once more for the lads...
Posted by: SagaciousD on Jul 27, 2009 7:28 AM   
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Great article. Young women still have an awful lot on their plates, and our society has not grown any more consistent or sane regarding sex. But addressing the pressures faced by young women only addresses half of the problem.

The satyric and often barbaric behavior perpetuated by young men can not be entirely attributed to their testosterone-fueled libidos. Culture plays a large role here as well. Young men face enormous social pressure to conform to another set of unhealthy and conflicting gender ideals. Any high school boy who does not "chase that 'tang" aggressively runs the risk of being labeled a homo, whether he is or not. And gay males still have a rougher time of it, in some ways, than gay females. Positive and nuanced media portrayals of lesbians still outnumber those of their male counterparts. Body dysmorphia afflicts teenage boys as well, though it manifests in different ways (with muscularity prized over thinness) than with women. This too has been less discussed.

It takes two to tango in healthy ways. We ignore boys at the risk of our girls, and vice versa.

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I Feel Sorry . . .
Posted by: Red State Gal on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 PM   
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. . . . for the young women of today. The young men of their generation have grown up on porn; I agree that when we fail to inquire what our young men are turning into, we abdicate our responsibility to young women.

Gosh, after reading this article, I really see the merit of abstinence until a young woman can really figure it all out for herself without coercion.

Red State Gal
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No Mention of STDs?
Posted by: Urgelt on Jul 28, 2009 1:33 AM   
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It struck me as odd that there was no mention of sexually transmitted diseases in this article, given the amount of ground otherwise covered.

The advent of the AIDS epidemic adds an unpleasant wrinkle to an already messy equation. There's the discovery that HPV causes cervical cancer and the debate over when and whether to obtain a vaccine, at exorbitant cost, which doesn't protect against all strains. Even so-called tame STDs can produce damage which persists long after treatment.

Surely, in the context of this article, we should be interested in how effectively information is disseminated about STDs and the psychological, social and public health implications?

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Women
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 28, 2009 2:44 AM   
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Hasn't it always been like that between the generations? I remember my great grandmother telling us that she had to walk 6 miles through 3 feet of snow to get to her GLBT, Feminism, and Modern Women's Sexuality Issues Awareness symposiums.

Menstrual suppression sounds like a scary idea. Controlling a core, natural bodily function can't be a good thing, regardless of what the Pharm Cos tell us. That's just common sense.

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(SEX.)
Posted by: Bumpas on Jul 28, 2009 3:17 AM   
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The most fun that you can have without laughing.

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poetrylark
Posted by: poetrylark on Jul 28, 2009 4:24 AM   
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An excellent article which needs wider circulation.

Not only are young women a bit confused about relationships etc, but so are young males.

I have written a book called ' Understanding women '
so hopefully I know a little of these matters.

In most successful male/female relationships there is something that hardly any of the 'experts ' talk about and that is friendship.
It is largely taken for granted, but a female can be and often is her partners's best friend.

If we can just get young males to think of young women as good friends firstly, then a lot of tension in relationships evaporates.
Good friends do not betray trust or impose on each other.
The problem for women generally is that there never has been any tuition for males in terms of how they should
behave or how they should view women.

So a lot of young males have an immature view of females . They sometimes think of them in terms of how they can take advantage of them, rather than seeing them as potentially good friends - regardless of whether there are personal physical relationships involved.
A little more of this on my website www.jimbernard.org

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Young women and sex
Posted by: robchapman on Jul 28, 2009 5:56 AM   
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I found this a difficult article to read.

I am no longer young, had a long marriage with four kids, divorced, had a period of mature single-hood and am now in the tenth year of my second marriage.

Meeting people who have the concerns that this author raised always scared me and I have always avoided people who gave so much thought to such matters.

I realize that people probably think I am very boring, but enjoying good food and wine, shared friends, culture and nature always seemed to me to enhance sex way more than pondering on how to do it.

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I'm Horrified For What Girls and Young Women Have to Put Up With
Posted by: femmyv on Jul 28, 2009 6:03 AM   
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In a different essay in Alternet right now (involving Springsteen's Born in the USA) one of the main gists seems to be that everything we ever taught girls about the ideal of a strong monogamous relationship was all a myth, anyway.

When the only group of people telling girls to hold out for something more emotionally rewarding than what they see in the OnlineBootyCall.com television ads, that Sci-Fi TV broadcasts in the middle of Pirates of the Caribbean at 5 in the afternoon, are whack-job fundies, is it any wonder that so many are engaging in self-destructive behavior?

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Many problems, one stale answer
Posted by: robchapman on Jul 28, 2009 6:05 AM   
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Gosh, after reading this article, I really see the merit of abstinence until a young woman can really figure it all out for herself without coercion.

Red State Gal

I can't agree- abstinence does not necessarily bring one closer to answers.

How can one decide whether "she", is the one and only?

How can any one person deliver on all expectations and unstated emotional investment that comes with being the "one and only?'

Abstinence is the beginning of the problem, not the solution.

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Look at teh ad below
Posted by: robchapman on Jul 28, 2009 6:10 AM   
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Want to see what is wrong with American ideas on sexuality? Scroll down and look at the ad for the dating service below.

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One-sided, always
Posted by: Sympa on Jul 28, 2009 6:53 AM   
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The very fact that these articles outnumber anything written about young men in the same environment should give a clue about where the problem truly lies: girls never stop talking about these issues - and a fair amount use it to their socio-economic advantage - whereas boys are completely ignored until something goes wrong.

The elephant in the room is being ignored by our "made in U.S.A." mentality: boys need guidance too Iron John style.

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Youth Sexuality
Posted by: tunfifill on Jul 28, 2009 8:47 AM   
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If you want to hear real youth talking about their own sexuality, read the Youth Activist Network blog here.

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Non-issues for hot women
Posted by: doctorsquared on Jul 28, 2009 9:27 AM   
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All the very attractive women I've ever known have either had no problem whatsoever with the abovementioned issues, or else only minimally. The unstoppability of a woman who is both hot and smart is a wonder to behold.

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"The Complex Sexualities of Young Men"
Posted by: Peenoevil on Jul 28, 2009 10:17 AM   
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...and article of EQUAL importance to society, which I have yet to see written. Much of what women fear from men comes from a warped, underdeveloped, and unguided form or sexuality. I've seen women victimized by men, and and equal number of men who's lives were destroyed by women. It's time for acceptance and equality between both sexes, and neither gender should be permitted a "victim" mentality...which I'm sorry to say is very prevalent among women these days. No one should feel entitled to feel like non-participants in their own lives.

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its hard for me..
Posted by: sureshot45 on Jul 28, 2009 10:55 AM   
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to feel bad for young women engaging in sex when they say 'yes' even if it is followed by a question mark. figure out what you want, and do it.

if you arent ready for sex, dont have it. stop conforming to fit in with your porn crazed cum gargling, orgy loving friends and do what feels right.

coercion/rape is a completely different story. when it comes to womens rights and the progress we have made..i think all it takes for a good wake up call it to look how women are treated in many other parts of the world.

not to say we should stop fighting for equality at all, but a little perspective.

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sorry, one spelling peeve
Posted by: DaBear on Jul 28, 2009 1:11 PM   
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mishegoss no. "mishugas" yes. Comes from mishuga meaning crazy.

Course to the Ashkenzim all things "normal" get funky endings... shabbos insteada shabbat... yada yada yada blabbity blah.

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Peenoevil
Posted by: Peenoevil on Jul 28, 2009 1:50 PM   
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I'm curious about this "pressure" that women supposedly fall for all the time. Are women bigger conformists than men? Is being accepted by society MORE important to a woman than it is to a man? Don't we all have a responsibility to do as our better judgment dictates, and not what others might seem to push us into?

I worry that women sometimes don't have a sense of how much power they actually have...over men, and society in general. We all have our own unique power (not always stereotypical of our own gender), and we all have the responsibility to use it safely and maturely.

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The chick in the picture is on top.
Posted by: Seppuku on Jul 28, 2009 7:22 PM   
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There is your equality.

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Bravo for a thoughtful article
Posted by: ladyoracle on Jul 29, 2009 1:46 AM   
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I am a decade younger than Heather, but I remember when I was 22, a feminist in her 40's couldn't believe that I was as repressed as I had been with my southern fundamentalist upbringing. She didn't believe my family and home town were that racist or that lip-tight about sex or one's body and its drives. America is such a big, diverse country that some girls are probably living a life that would fit your friends' ideal, but a lot of other girls have communities, cultures, and parents that restrict access to a lot of ideas that threaten their conservative views. A conversation about "today's young women" has to include not just the ones in NYC but also the ones in Texas suburbs, where I assure you that being gay or trans is anything but safe and the double standard for women to be pure while men sow their wild oats is biblical.

On another note, in college English courses we teach students how to evaluate sources for credibility and bias, but high school and middle school kids need to learn that as well. In our culture where information about everything, not just sex, comes whizzing toward us with no context, it can be hard to separate pathos from logos.

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Holistic Conversations Won't Change a Thing
Posted by: femmyv on Jul 29, 2009 5:25 AM   
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While we've all got our thinking caps on and are playing nice, at least two racy -> raunchy ads featuring young women have been spotted on the page for this essay.

Girls in 2009 are subject to processing the same conflicting messages we had to deal with in the wake of the Sexual Revolution. The only differences that I can see is that the people telling girls we should be out having sex in the 1960s and '70s were our well-intentioned older sisters and subcultural leaders, and now it's anyone who stands to make a buck.

Our subcultural leaders seem to have wised up a little, but thanks to the internet where anyone with a POV and a coterie to hit 'recommend,' can be perceived as an expert with influence on mass opinion among the non-discerning, they are increasingly irrelevant to anyone under the age of 30.

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What I love about feminist theory
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Jul 29, 2009 7:53 AM   
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It guarantees that male bias, oppression, and female difficulty will be discovered in every civilization and time.

Oh well, I think we all already knew that dyed-in-the-wool faith-heads are immune to all evidence which doesn't support their particular world-view, to paraphrase something Richard Dawkins said.

Especially when it comes to sex, young women in western society are the most privileged and advantaged people there are. They can have all the sex they want, of whatever variety they want, and practically with anyone they want. That such a situation can somehow be converted into something extremely problematical doesn't speak at all well to their competence. One can almost see where someone might get the crazy idea that they aren't meant to be in charge of something with such power and such potentially long-term ramifications.

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agreed.. but
Posted by: danielBlake on Jul 29, 2009 5:20 PM   
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I agree with the viewpoints in the article.

However, I did not agree with the use of 'then' instead of 'than' when making a comparison, and the use of 'or' instead of 'our' when writing 'or or.' Are these articles edited before they're posted?

Also, it seems to me that most of the same concepts apply to men. I was raised by 2 women, I understand and have internalized all of these concepts about sexism, however, continuing to frame the argument as women fighting for women rights is the same old song. Are we in this together or what? But, I see how the men my age (25) act in the US these days, and I understand why this mindframe prevails. Hopefully men and women will be able to fight against sexism and objectification together some day.

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Struggle?? What struggle?
Posted by: antonius116 on Jul 30, 2009 6:15 AM   
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However, many grow up also experiencing that while no may mean no, they don't always have an easy time saying it or feel the permission to. Too many young women are more frequently, and at earlier ages -- which for some is due to sexual development happening earlier historically than it ever has for women before -- finding themselves in the position of responding to sexual invitations and situations.

Too bad men don't have this problem. HA HA!! You women have it SO easy!!! Struggle my a$$. Men don't feel sorry for you in this instance. Your ability to get laid whenever you want is not a "struggle". Quite the contrary. What a joke.

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GADFLY PAT
Posted by: pest on Jul 30, 2009 10:37 AM   
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THE MAJOR PROBLEM WITH YOUNG WOMEN IS A "LACK OF SELF ESTEEM".THEY ARE TOLD THAT SEX IS THE ONE & ONLY CONSIDERATION. THE VERY VULNERABLE AGE-BECOMING A WOMAN-IS A NEW AND DEVASTATING CHALLENGE AND WHEN THE ENTIRE EMPHASIS IS BASED ON SEX 24/7, YOUNG WOMEN ARE TOTAL VICTIMS. THIS MODERN AD/TV/INTERNET HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY PORN KINGS TO PROMOTE THEIR WARES. EVERY SIT-COM REQUIRES THE FEMALES TO FALL IN BED WITH ANY & EVERY MALE. WITH NO FOLLOW ON OF POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES.
PERHAPS A LAW REQUIRING ALL BABIES, ALIVE OR ABORTED TO HAVE A NAMED FATER WHO WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR THE EXPENSES OF HIS ACTIONS MIGHT HAVE AN EFFECT!!!

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CASEY ANTHONY IS SEXY
Posted by: C. Rich on Aug 1, 2009 9:24 AM   
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Not subject of sex should not mention the truth.

http://americaspeaksink.com/?s=Casey+beautiful

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Out of the past
Posted by: ecogazoo on Aug 2, 2009 7:33 PM   
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Many young women are level-headed and mature. Who wouldn't feel confident that an average young woman is responsible enough to permanently care for a child and transmit responsible values to the child?

Not very long ago, young women's "awesome power" of reproductivity was constrained by familial and societal strictures, traditions, and rituals.

But with the post-feminist freedoms (namely, Uterus Control), many of the young women (many of whom are now approaching 50) have begotten a very alert, respectful, and surprisingly efficient & productive generation. I think we've all noticed how much more attractive, healthy, and civil our culture has become lately.

Kudos to the concept that teenage girls -- and the fine young men they are most attracted to -- know what's best for the future of wo/mankind! Progress, people!

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Men still have to do all the work..
Posted by: messedup on Aug 3, 2009 9:06 AM   
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And, they die on the job more than women ever will, and like the title states, we still have to initiate the sex, as long as men like me don't want anything really, to do with the gals anymore, times are as good as ever, and with feminism and all, women are finding their way quite well in todays world. Sexuality is what you make of it, I know guys in their 40's who have never been shown a good time, raised by women, and have no idea how to even treat a woman, talk to a woman, etc. They'll never find love, they'll never have mind blowing sex, hell in so many womens eyes, many of us men are nothing more than tools, and ends to a mean.

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Keep up the struggle!
Posted by: talkville on Jul 26, 2009 9:10 PM   
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First: what does each virgin, each 'pledger', each 'young woman' have to say for herself? Get the space, get the time and get the platform where they can be heard! Autonomy!!

Though I am male, I have allied myself since the late '60's with particular feminist struggles, most especially in the struggle for liberation and for equality. There simply is no "post-" in this. In fact, it seems to me at this late stage that there has arisen more a "pre-" than a post-, alas!.

All social, political and economic struggles contain within them the good, the bad and the ugly. As I walk, while my left leg moves forward, my right leg retreats -- and vice-versa. Where is feminism going???? with whom? for whom?

I confess to immense disappointment over these last 40 years -- it seems in many ways that the eyes which thought they saw a future were in reality directing their gaze to a very distant and medieval place, one we only thought we had overcome a long time ago. It continues as I type this, I'm afraid; at least in very general terms.

One unavoidable, yet extremely consequential fact of the liberation and emancipation of women and their gaining of powers over these last years was the immense extension of their influence and power from the private household into the public arena. It became quite apparent and desirable for women of all layers of our social order to ally themselves not with any particular, actual individual man but to ally themselves with the corporate or state force while they gained their independence in ordering their lives as they saw most beneficial for them. Witness the immense increase of the "single-mom" and single working woman in the public arena -- it is astonishing!! Nowadays, a woman simply doesn't need or require an alliance with a man to determine her trajectory and "life-style"; other than as a source of genetic substance for purposes of reproduction, the woman relies and depends much more fully on state and corporate forces to provide for her livelihood. In this sense this is a "great leap forward" and a profoundly consequential change which has occurred over 40 or so years.

There are negative sides: what about the father-- as noun, not as verb or adjective? Witness the assault and focus on all the 'dead-beat' dads and the moral vituperations and exhortations on the "father to step-up to the plate" etc. These issues are still evolving. Who knows where they will end. They are, however, a call back to Patriarchy, make no mistake.

Feminists, autonomous feminists, time to get to work!

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Bravo! Now once more for the lads...
Posted by: SagaciousD on Jul 27, 2009 7:28 AM   
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Great article. Young women still have an awful lot on their plates, and our society has not grown any more consistent or sane regarding sex. But addressing the pressures faced by young women only addresses half of the problem.

The satyric and often barbaric behavior perpetuated by young men can not be entirely attributed to their testosterone-fueled libidos. Culture plays a large role here as well. Young men face enormous social pressure to conform to another set of unhealthy and conflicting gender ideals. Any high school boy who does not "chase that 'tang" aggressively runs the risk of being labeled a homo, whether he is or not. And gay males still have a rougher time of it, in some ways, than gay females. Positive and nuanced media portrayals of lesbians still outnumber those of their male counterparts. Body dysmorphia afflicts teenage boys as well, though it manifests in different ways (with muscularity prized over thinness) than with women. This too has been less discussed.

It takes two to tango in healthy ways. We ignore boys at the risk of our girls, and vice versa.

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I Feel Sorry . . .
Posted by: Red State Gal on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 PM   
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. . . . for the young women of today. The young men of their generation have grown up on porn; I agree that when we fail to inquire what our young men are turning into, we abdicate our responsibility to young women.

Gosh, after reading this article, I really see the merit of abstinence until a young woman can really figure it all out for herself without coercion.

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No Mention of STDs?
Posted by: Urgelt on Jul 28, 2009 1:33 AM   
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It struck me as odd that there was no mention of sexually transmitted diseases in this article, given the amount of ground otherwise covered.

The advent of the AIDS epidemic adds an unpleasant wrinkle to an already messy equation. There's the discovery that HPV causes cervical cancer and the debate over when and whether to obtain a vaccine, at exorbitant cost, which doesn't protect against all strains. Even so-called tame STDs can produce damage which persists long after treatment.

Surely, in the context of this article, we should be interested in how effectively information is disseminated about STDs and the psychological, social and public health implications?

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Women
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 28, 2009 2:44 AM   
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Hasn't it always been like that between the generations? I remember my great grandmother telling us that she had to walk 6 miles through 3 feet of snow to get to her GLBT, Feminism, and Modern Women's Sexuality Issues Awareness symposiums.

Menstrual suppression sounds like a scary idea. Controlling a core, natural bodily function can't be a good thing, regardless of what the Pharm Cos tell us. That's just common sense.

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(SEX.)
Posted by: Bumpas on Jul 28, 2009 3:17 AM   
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The most fun that you can have without laughing.

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poetrylark
Posted by: poetrylark on Jul 28, 2009 4:24 AM   
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An excellent article which needs wider circulation.

Not only are young women a bit confused about relationships etc, but so are young males.

I have written a book called ' Understanding women '
so hopefully I know a little of these matters.

In most successful male/female relationships there is something that hardly any of the 'experts ' talk about and that is friendship.
It is largely taken for granted, but a female can be and often is her partners's best friend.

If we can just get young males to think of young women as good friends firstly, then a lot of tension in relationships evaporates.
Good friends do not betray trust or impose on each other.
The problem for women generally is that there never has been any tuition for males in terms of how they should
behave or how they should view women.

So a lot of young males have an immature view of females . They sometimes think of them in terms of how they can take advantage of them, rather than seeing them as potentially good friends - regardless of whether there are personal physical relationships involved.
A little more of this on my website www.jimbernard.org

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Young women and sex
Posted by: robchapman on Jul 28, 2009 5:56 AM   
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I found this a difficult article to read.

I am no longer young, had a long marriage with four kids, divorced, had a period of mature single-hood and am now in the tenth year of my second marriage.

Meeting people who have the concerns that this author raised always scared me and I have always avoided people who gave so much thought to such matters.

I realize that people probably think I am very boring, but enjoying good food and wine, shared friends, culture and nature always seemed to me to enhance sex way more than pondering on how to do it.

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I'm Horrified For What Girls and Young Women Have to Put Up With
Posted by: femmyv on Jul 28, 2009 6:03 AM   
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In a different essay in Alternet right now (involving Springsteen's Born in the USA) one of the main gists seems to be that everything we ever taught girls about the ideal of a strong monogamous relationship was all a myth, anyway.

When the only group of people telling girls to hold out for something more emotionally rewarding than what they see in the OnlineBootyCall.com television ads, that Sci-Fi TV broadcasts in the middle of Pirates of the Caribbean at 5 in the afternoon, are whack-job fundies, is it any wonder that so many are engaging in self-destructive behavior?

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Many problems, one stale answer
Posted by: robchapman on Jul 28, 2009 6:05 AM   
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Gosh, after reading this article, I really see the merit of abstinence until a young woman can really figure it all out for herself without coercion.

Red State Gal

I can't agree- abstinence does not necessarily bring one closer to answers.

How can one decide whether "she", is the one and only?

How can any one person deliver on all expectations and unstated emotional investment that comes with being the "one and only?'

Abstinence is the beginning of the problem, not the solution.

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Look at teh ad below
Posted by: robchapman on Jul 28, 2009 6:10 AM   
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Want to see what is wrong with American ideas on sexuality? Scroll down and look at the ad for the dating service below.

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One-sided, always
Posted by: Sympa on Jul 28, 2009 6:53 AM   
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The very fact that these articles outnumber anything written about young men in the same environment should give a clue about where the problem truly lies: girls never stop talking about these issues - and a fair amount use it to their socio-economic advantage - whereas boys are completely ignored until something goes wrong.

The elephant in the room is being ignored by our "made in U.S.A." mentality: boys need guidance too Iron John style.

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Youth Sexuality
Posted by: tunfifill on Jul 28, 2009 8:47 AM   
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If you want to hear real youth talking about their own sexuality, read the Youth Activist Network blog here.

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Non-issues for hot women
Posted by: doctorsquared on Jul 28, 2009 9:27 AM   
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All the very attractive women I've ever known have either had no problem whatsoever with the abovementioned issues, or else only minimally. The unstoppability of a woman who is both hot and smart is a wonder to behold.

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"The Complex Sexualities of Young Men"
Posted by: Peenoevil on Jul 28, 2009 10:17 AM   
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...and article of EQUAL importance to society, which I have yet to see written. Much of what women fear from men comes from a warped, underdeveloped, and unguided form or sexuality. I've seen women victimized by men, and and equal number of men who's lives were destroyed by women. It's time for acceptance and equality between both sexes, and neither gender should be permitted a "victim" mentality...which I'm sorry to say is very prevalent among women these days. No one should feel entitled to feel like non-participants in their own lives.

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its hard for me..
Posted by: sureshot45 on Jul 28, 2009 10:55 AM   
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to feel bad for young women engaging in sex when they say 'yes' even if it is followed by a question mark. figure out what you want, and do it.

if you arent ready for sex, dont have it. stop conforming to fit in with your porn crazed cum gargling, orgy loving friends and do what feels right.

coercion/rape is a completely different story. when it comes to womens rights and the progress we have made..i think all it takes for a good wake up call it to look how women are treated in many other parts of the world.

not to say we should stop fighting for equality at all, but a little perspective.

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sorry, one spelling peeve
Posted by: DaBear on Jul 28, 2009 1:11 PM   
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mishegoss no. "mishugas" yes. Comes from mishuga meaning crazy.

Course to the Ashkenzim all things "normal" get funky endings... shabbos insteada shabbat... yada yada yada blabbity blah.

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Peenoevil
Posted by: Peenoevil on Jul 28, 2009 1:50 PM   
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I'm curious about this "pressure" that women supposedly fall for all the time. Are women bigger conformists than men? Is being accepted by society MORE important to a woman than it is to a man? Don't we all have a responsibility to do as our better judgment dictates, and not what others might seem to push us into?

I worry that women sometimes don't have a sense of how much power they actually have...over men, and society in general. We all have our own unique power (not always stereotypical of our own gender), and we all have the responsibility to use it safely and maturely.

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The chick in the picture is on top.
Posted by: Seppuku on Jul 28, 2009 7:22 PM   
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There is your equality.

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Bravo for a thoughtful article
Posted by: ladyoracle on Jul 29, 2009 1:46 AM   
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I am a decade younger than Heather, but I remember when I was 22, a feminist in her 40's couldn't believe that I was as repressed as I had been with my southern fundamentalist upbringing. She didn't believe my family and home town were that racist or that lip-tight about sex or one's body and its drives. America is such a big, diverse country that some girls are probably living a life that would fit your friends' ideal, but a lot of other girls have communities, cultures, and parents that restrict access to a lot of ideas that threaten their conservative views. A conversation about "today's young women" has to include not just the ones in NYC but also the ones in Texas suburbs, where I assure you that being gay or trans is anything but safe and the double standard for women to be pure while men sow their wild oats is biblical.

On another note, in college English courses we teach students how to evaluate sources for credibility and bias, but high school and middle school kids need to learn that as well. In our culture where information about everything, not just sex, comes whizzing toward us with no context, it can be hard to separate pathos from logos.

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Holistic Conversations Won't Change a Thing
Posted by: femmyv on Jul 29, 2009 5:25 AM   
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While we've all got our thinking caps on and are playing nice, at least two racy -> raunchy ads featuring young women have been spotted on the page for this essay.

Girls in 2009 are subject to processing the same conflicting messages we had to deal with in the wake of the Sexual Revolution. The only differences that I can see is that the people telling girls we should be out having sex in the 1960s and '70s were our well-intentioned older sisters and subcultural leaders, and now it's anyone who stands to make a buck.

Our subcultural leaders seem to have wised up a little, but thanks to the internet where anyone with a POV and a coterie to hit 'recommend,' can be perceived as an expert with influence on mass opinion among the non-discerning, they are increasingly irrelevant to anyone under the age of 30.

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What I love about feminist theory
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Jul 29, 2009 7:53 AM   
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It guarantees that male bias, oppression, and female difficulty will be discovered in every civilization and time.

Oh well, I think we all already knew that dyed-in-the-wool faith-heads are immune to all evidence which doesn't support their particular world-view, to paraphrase something Richard Dawkins said.

Especially when it comes to sex, young women in western society are the most privileged and advantaged people there are. They can have all the sex they want, of whatever variety they want, and practically with anyone they want. That such a situation can somehow be converted into something extremely problematical doesn't speak at all well to their competence. One can almost see where someone might get the crazy idea that they aren't meant to be in charge of something with such power and such potentially long-term ramifications.

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agreed.. but
Posted by: danielBlake on Jul 29, 2009 5:20 PM   
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I agree with the viewpoints in the article.

However, I did not agree with the use of 'then' instead of 'than' when making a comparison, and the use of 'or' instead of 'our' when writing 'or or.' Are these articles edited before they're posted?

Also, it seems to me that most of the same concepts apply to men. I was raised by 2 women, I understand and have internalized all of these concepts about sexism, however, continuing to frame the argument as women fighting for women rights is the same old song. Are we in this together or what? But, I see how the men my age (25) act in the US these days, and I understand why this mindframe prevails. Hopefully men and women will be able to fight against sexism and objectification together some day.

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Struggle?? What struggle?
Posted by: antonius116 on Jul 30, 2009 6:15 AM   
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However, many grow up also experiencing that while no may mean no, they don't always have an easy time saying it or feel the permission to. Too many young women are more frequently, and at earlier ages -- which for some is due to sexual development happening earlier historically than it ever has for women before -- finding themselves in the position of responding to sexual invitations and situations.

Too bad men don't have this problem. HA HA!! You women have it SO easy!!! Struggle my a$$. Men don't feel sorry for you in this instance. Your ability to get laid whenever you want is not a "struggle". Quite the contrary. What a joke.

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GADFLY PAT
Posted by: pest on Jul 30, 2009 10:37 AM   
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THE MAJOR PROBLEM WITH YOUNG WOMEN IS A "LACK OF SELF ESTEEM".THEY ARE TOLD THAT SEX IS THE ONE & ONLY CONSIDERATION. THE VERY VULNERABLE AGE-BECOMING A WOMAN-IS A NEW AND DEVASTATING CHALLENGE AND WHEN THE ENTIRE EMPHASIS IS BASED ON SEX 24/7, YOUNG WOMEN ARE TOTAL VICTIMS. THIS MODERN AD/TV/INTERNET HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY PORN KINGS TO PROMOTE THEIR WARES. EVERY SIT-COM REQUIRES THE FEMALES TO FALL IN BED WITH ANY & EVERY MALE. WITH NO FOLLOW ON OF POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES.
PERHAPS A LAW REQUIRING ALL BABIES, ALIVE OR ABORTED TO HAVE A NAMED FATER WHO WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR THE EXPENSES OF HIS ACTIONS MIGHT HAVE AN EFFECT!!!

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CASEY ANTHONY IS SEXY
Posted by: C. Rich on Aug 1, 2009 9:24 AM   
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Not subject of sex should not mention the truth.

http://americaspeaksink.com/?s=Casey+beautiful

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Out of the past
Posted by: ecogazoo on Aug 2, 2009 7:33 PM   
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Many young women are level-headed and mature. Who wouldn't feel confident that an average young woman is responsible enough to permanently care for a child and transmit responsible values to the child?

Not very long ago, young women's "awesome power" of reproductivity was constrained by familial and societal strictures, traditions, and rituals.

But with the post-feminist freedoms (namely, Uterus Control), many of the young women (many of whom are now approaching 50) have begotten a very alert, respectful, and surprisingly efficient & productive generation. I think we've all noticed how much more attractive, healthy, and civil our culture has become lately.

Kudos to the concept that teenage girls -- and the fine young men they are most attracted to -- know what's best for the future of wo/mankind! Progress, people!

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Men still have to do all the work..
Posted by: messedup on Aug 3, 2009 9:06 AM   
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And, they die on the job more than women ever will, and like the title states, we still have to initiate the sex, as long as men like me don't want anything really, to do with the gals anymore, times are as good as ever, and with feminism and all, women are finding their way quite well in todays world. Sexuality is what you make of it, I know guys in their 40's who have never been shown a good time, raised by women, and have no idea how to even treat a woman, talk to a woman, etc. They'll never find love, they'll never have mind blowing sex, hell in so many womens eyes, many of us men are nothing more than tools, and ends to a mean.

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