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How to Make Marriage More Than an Arrangement of Loveless, Sexless, Domestic Drudgery

By Vanessa Richmond, The Tyee. Posted July 10, 2009.


Marriage was designed way back when life expectancy was a couple of decades. Now that we live so much longer, does it make any sense?
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It's been a tough time for marriage. Not just because of the sensational infidelity practiced by reality TV dad Jon Gosselin and South Carolina governor Mark Sanford. Marriage also was spectacularly mangled by the two superstars who just died, Michael Jackson and Farah Fawcett.

Here's a fact, though, about wedlock. It was designed way back when life expectancy was a couple of decades. Now the average is about four times that. So instead of sneering at those who famously fail at marriage, maybe the signals are saying the institution has reached a tipping point.

A pair of New York Times writers will have none of that. Their "Marriage Stands Up for Itself" argues that the marriage bond is, in fact, "far stronger in 21st-century America than many may assume." Marriage rates are high, divorce is on the decline.

Infidelity? Just a "flu virus" according to the Times writers, who cheerfully explain that marriages weaken at times, yet develop immunity from long exposure. "Surveys find the majority of people who discover a cheating spouse remain married to that person for years afterward."

Blunting eros

The same piece reports that, although about half of marriages end in divorce, that number reflects the lifetime divorce rate of people married in the 1970s; whereas, the divorce rate of couples married more recently is lower, especially among college-educated people (the divorce rates of those with only a high school education are higher).

One study that looked at college-educated men found that 23 per cent of those married in the 1970s were divorced after 10 years, compared to only 16 per cent of those married in the 1990s.

Why? "Today women are contributing more financially to relationships than earlier generations, and men are contributing more to the domestic duties. Compared with earlier generations, men and women today are more likely to marry someone like themselves, with a similar educational background," experts say. "The relationship is less about dividing economic and domestic duties and more about shared interests and mutual happiness.”

What a turn-off! is the way Sandra Tsing Loh reads such analysis. The kind of modern marriage mapped by the Times might lead to more couples staying together, but they're killing love and eros, she writes in the Atlantic.

Loh is about to divorce after 20 years of marriage. She has tired of her too-prevalent Companionate Marriage, "in which husband and wife each have a career, and they co-parent and co-housekeep according to gender-free norms they negotiate." Which equates to love-less, sexless, domestic drudgery.

Together for the kids

"I can work at a career and child care and joint homeownership and even platonic male-female friendship," Loh writes. "However, in this cluttered forest of my 40s, what I cannot authentically reconjure is the ancient dream of brides, even with the Oprah fluffery of weekly 'date nights,' when gauzy candlelight obscures the messy house, child talk is nixed and silky lingerie donned, so the two of you can look into each other's eyes and feel that 'spark' again. Do you see? Given my staggering working mother's to-do list, I cannot take on yet another arduous home-and self-improvement project, that of rekindling our romance."

Loh says people stay married because it's a kind of unattainable ideal -- like being an anorexic Amazonian model with big boobs. "Along with fancy schools, tae kwan do lessons, and home-cooked organic food, the two-parent marriage is another impressive—and rare—attainment to bestow on our fragile, gifted children."


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I'm back, I'm whack, get used to it.
Posted by: RandPaul on Jul 11, 2009 3:36 AM   
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If Alternuts hate marriage so much, why are they trying to inflict it on the homosexuals? Is it truly about civil rights, or is it just the final nail in the coffin of family values? I know feminists oppose family values, because according to them, marriage is slavery*, but then why are recent studies suggesting that the happiness of American women has steadily declined since 1970?

*"Speak for yourself, Hillary!" - Pat Buchanan

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» No changes here! Posted by: luzmejor
» no no no, it's "wack" Posted by: kegbot1
» RE: no no no, it's "wack" Posted by: Pegaleg
» RE: no no no, it's "wack" Posted by: Longdream
» RandPaul... Posted by: Quannah
I wonder
Posted by: Alsu on Jul 11, 2009 5:29 AM   
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so the ideal marriage would be: raising children, have no classic role models, both partners with a sucessful career of their own and as a surplus you get dressed in sexy lingerie and have the sex of your lifetime every week while your feelings never change from the first day on you meet. These are very childish expectations. Life does not work that way. There are set backs, failures, sickness. There is age and its ailments. Marriage isn't about being "in love". Its about loving someone, and taking and respecting him or her for what he or she is, and not treat him or her as a pleasing machine. Its about putting the "us" above the "me". Even when there are affairs. And if you really want to get involved deeply with someone, then one person in your life is more than enough (hence the biblical statement against adultery, I think). A good marriage flourishes when there is respect, friendship, love and compassion. That has been true through all the centuries. After all, a marriage can be hell after two months as well as after two decades - so, in my opinion, the argument that "marriage was designed when life expectancy was a few decades" doesn't work here.

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» RE: I agree with you Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» marriage in today's world Posted by: coachsappho
» RE: I wonder Posted by: Pegaleg
» I also agree ... partly Posted by: iolanthe
» RE: I also agree ... partly Posted by: antoniomo
» Exactly Posted by: iolanthe
» RE: I also agree ... partly Posted by: DaBear
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» RE: I also agree ... partly Posted by: KiwiBR
Marriage is really a NO WIN situation
Posted by: terradea42 on Jul 11, 2009 6:04 AM   
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Marriage is a government-control thing. It's also a legal contract. It also sounds like hell, even when those who claim to approve of it describe it (takes work, not about love, requires responsibility, etc.)

People would be so much happier (and yes, killjoys, life IS about being happy) if they could just stop buying to traditional hell and start defining their owns lives according to what they want. There is nothing wrong with opting out of mainstream society.

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Gruesome narcissist prosthelytizes to the masses
Posted by: waltermoss on Jul 11, 2009 6:47 AM   
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Sandra Tsing Loh is a gruesome, over-therepeutized, narcissist...simply. I'm glad the author of this article linked to the piece in "Atlantic", because it was worth reading if you wanted confirmation that this was total garbage. Attached Loh's article is a "Facebookesque" slide show of an older woman, desperately trying to look young and hip (e.g. the holding up booze for the camera, showing off her hiply ironic Fabio poster...etc.). Interesting to note, not one of those pictures had another person in it. This was the exhibit A.

Exhibit B: When you have a "longtime family therapist, who stands in as [a] shaman, mother, or priest," then that is a big problem. I think this therapeutic culture encourages narcissism, and other vices. It encourages people in indulging in such personal weaknesses. Worst of all, therapeutic culture encourages people to share their weaknesses with the world and expect others to accept, validate or even share them. Her article was the ultimate attempt to have her personal failings validated by the world. It was rather embarrassing really.

Exhibit C: A seemingly trivial detail, but one that I think is important: in her article Loh makes several complaints about having to cook mac'n'cheese for her kids...as if this were such a terrible problem. Kids love mac'n'cheese, I did; and if my mother felt some sort of smoldering resentment for having to cook this, at least she had the GRACE to keep it secret. What sort of person gets miffed about making kids food? Maybe a more "French arrangement" would be better for her children (a small cognac and a little cigar). Again, she comes over as pathetically selfish.

Unpleasant people like this have probably always been with us. What is disturbing to me, is when articles like this are published, that seem to imply that being a bad person is somehow desirable, normal, or even good. It's not good to hate your children, cheat on loved ones, or reduce them to "pleasure machines" (as was so aptly put by a previous commenter). These are selfish, vicious things; things that people should be ashamed of, not advertise.

Growing old is painfully hard, despite what the shaman/therapist tells you. It's hard to keep your mojo going when your face looks like a deflated football in the mirror. It is unseemly to slap lipstick on the pigskin and pretend otherwise. It's embarrassing to see old people "up in da club" with their crows feet and overall saginess trying to actualize their eros or whatever. Go home, attend to your DUTY, and you will gain RESPECT and DIGNITY.

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Marriage
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 11, 2009 7:36 AM   
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I'm not clear about the point of this article, if any, but it's a good brainstorm.

I think some of it is a matter of growing up in an age where many "adults" seem to have childlike expectations of attention and excitement, and where The Man wants us to have childlike expectations of attention and excitement, so he can sell us more crap.

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» Exactly right Posted by: historystudent
» Very Well Said Posted by: iolanthe
Who CARES if someone else's marriage is "loveless" or "sexless" or whatever?
Posted by: Beck on Jul 11, 2009 7:36 AM   
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ANOTHER button-pushing article on the same topic? We didn't even need one. Everyone knows a few simple facts: you can get married if you want. Stay single if you want. If you get married and things go wrong, you can try to sort them out. Or not. What IS it with the socially fascist articles here lately? It was bad enough when only vegan, 3rd-party atheists were valid. Now you also have to be single? How about self-employed? Self-sufficient? No kids (well, of course). Are pets okay?

Maybe the only article that needs written, then repeated, is an exact list of marching orders for the Purified being. Although it seems like that's what's now happening anyway.

Does advertising virtually guarantee this crap? I don't remember it from long ago. Will this pointless article that attempts for some reason to coerce a particular lifestyle be again repeated? I guess if there are enough clicks on this one, it will.

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» RE: Nice! LOL! Posted by: lightwing1
» I do Posted by: Bonita
Forging Alliances and Survival Via Marriage
Posted by: freshlemon on Jul 11, 2009 9:11 AM   
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is what it was all about until people decided that romance should be part of the package.

To simplify: caveman needed a structure for survival and followed a common sense pattern of women being responsible for care of dwellings, rearing children,food preparation and fulfillment of masculine sexual needs. Men were the providers of food and protection.

As civilization became more complex,marriage was a way to increase wealth and power by forming strong family alliances. Women continued in the same "cave man" scenario of daily activities, but were relegated to being possesions and wards of maculinity. They were not allowed to own property,get a real education,vote or make any determinations about their lives. Marriage was a kind of slavery in which men were the entitled sex.
(Yes, there have always been exceptions to the rule, because women have always had the potential to function and think as well or better than men.)

In todays cultures, men and women want marriage to be the whole enchilada including romance. Our adulterous politicians have been acting out this need for both responsibility and romance to the detriment of their careers,their religious plausibility and their claim to family values.

In my opinion, marriage is still a viable tool for most of society as long as we don't expect it to be a fairy tale come true.

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There's more to it?
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jul 11, 2009 10:22 AM   
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I like simple. I like single.

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kb
Posted by: KAB on Jul 11, 2009 11:42 AM   
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Life expectancy has nothing to do with marriage. The mentioned 2 decades life expectancy back then was only for big cities, the most unhealthy environment ever created. Rural areas of the Roman Empire had a life expectancy equal to today's-- around 80 years.

Marriage was invented to cement and strengthen alliances among powerful families.

Post- Rome, the catholic church got involved and made it a religious matter based no the idea or the Divine Rights of Kings-- the King ruled the land & all it as the temporal representative of God. God designed ruling power to the Chosen. The King then delegated some of the power he got from God to the nobility, and less to family heads (God= head of everything; King= head of nation; Pops= head of the family). Property followed this line of authority: all land was God's who delegated some to the King, who delegated some etc down to the family head whose property included food, tools, maybe a house & some land, kids, and Mom.

Ceremonies marked the establishment of all these relationships- King: coronation, Pop & Mom: marriage.

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This article is too mumbo jumbo and misses what really is the cause of declining marriages.
Posted by: Benn_Miller on Jul 11, 2009 12:46 PM   
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The main factor is money and just plain infatuation. If all people care about is how much money their lover is making and/or how attractive they look at first site, all this does is set the stage for disaster marriages similar to disaster capitalism. Age is not the issue here.

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Yo, Everyone! Make your own decisions!
Posted by: mchristine on Jul 11, 2009 1:08 PM   
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So...is this article supposed to make me want to ditch my great marriage of five years because I may get bored (oooh, nooooo!) eventually? Man, I tell you, after being in several other long term relationships I will take a happy marriage (that may involve complications) over shit four year relationships anyday.

I also don't really understand the point of this article. So many women I know are not married and don't have kids because that's the choice they have made. Alternet, we REALLY CAN think for ourselves!!! Yippeee!

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Confusing and random article...
Posted by: bnvasquez on Jul 11, 2009 1:14 PM   
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I can't understand the point of this piece. At first I thought that the author was saying marriage isn't always the answer, but then it seems like she's saying something else. Anyway...

As far as marriage goes, I don't get why everyone wants to enforce their opinion on others. Whatever works for someone is what works for them. Don't push me to get married, let me make that choice on my own. I think people can only truly stay together if they do love each other and have similar goals and interests (in a sense). Also, I do think that 1 reason why people get divorce is because they never really knew why they got married in the first place or people just grow apart... There's a lot of reasons, but why can't we just let people be?

We're on Sanford's case because he's a hypocrite, not just because he cheated. Don't preach what you have failed to practice.

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There are all kinds of people.
Posted by: Longdream on Jul 11, 2009 1:36 PM   
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And all kinds of marriages.

A percentage of them are bad, and a percentage are good. The ones that last in an immediate, relevant way are made up of not one, but two people who are able to understand and sustain deep commitment. For them, friendship, partnership and support are more important than they are to other people, for whom autonomy and primacy are more important.

No good nor bad either way. That's just the way people are. As long as they behave in an adult fashion, take care not to do damage, and care for the children they've made, staying together or not is pretty much their choice.

I stress the adult behavior. There are those people who walk around as nothing more than tall, angry children who make a point of inflicting pain or inviting it and use their marriages as the arena in which they do it. That's a different problem altogether.

Most people aren't perfect, and each one of us has bad moments, bad years, bad times. The important thing is to keep trying to renew, to come to a better place, to do our best not to hurt others, and take care of the ones for whom we're responsible. If we make that a goal, and don't give up on it, we can end up being responsible, and treating everyone the way we'd like to be treated.

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I'm sorry
Posted by: stuarts on Jul 11, 2009 1:52 PM   
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that you suck and that those you know are inconsiderate and passive aggressive. If you think relationships are a lot of work then you are in the wrong relationships. Friends, spouses or other.

Marriage is not for everyone but that does not mean it's not for anyone. Stop being so black and white academic about it. I'm a bit tired of everybody with a keyboard and a history of failed attempts at relationships trying to inform me that mine, of 15 years, is not possible let alone pleasurable. My spouse rocks and I can't see that changing anytime soon.

It states a few inches above this as I write that alternet will not tolerate personal attacks on writers or readers. Well?

And why is it that, with increasing frequency it seems, these sorts of topics are covered? I'd far rather see the space and effort given, to say, a widely colored discussion of Iran. What's next? Shall we wade into a bit of celebrity gossip in search of banner dollars? If I wanted huffpo, I'd go to huffpo.

oh, I guess I should also tag something here with the idea that 9/11 was a hoax or some other bullshit.

be well

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» RE: I'm sorry Posted by: Longdream
Sandra Loh is full of shit
Posted by: MEXICANO on Jul 11, 2009 3:22 PM   
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Has anybody seen Sandra Tsing Loh? Her husband wouldn't fuck her anymore because she looks like a dog. Sure, a stranger might pound her for a while because let's face it, drunk guys make mistakes sometimes. But I doubt she'll fidn any sober sane man to give it to her on a regular basis.

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» RE: Sandra Loh is full of shit Posted by: gilliani
I'm noticing things
Posted by: DaBear on Jul 11, 2009 6:36 PM   
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Mexicano, holy shittttttt, man, ease up! That last rant on Sandra was just over the top.

I've noticed Tsing-Loh's content shifting in consciousness from when she was a nobody on KCRW (when I really really enjoyed what she had to say) to her rise as a higher-paid writer type in NYC (and I don't really enjoy her so much anymore). To me she got worse the richer she got. That her marriage sucks, oh well, sucks to be her and I truly feel put off by her narcissist moralizing bullshit about the whole thing--and that's pretty much what money has don to her writing, frankly.

I'm just trying to figure out how to get by and not be unhappy being poor and abstinent-against-my-will with my very best friend. I don't want to be celibate but I don't want to deal with anyone else's shit either. My mate's shit is familiar, understandable and mostly still don't stink. It doesn't feel like that's enough because at 43 I'm really not ready to pack it up and be a eunuch but I'm also not ready to leave my best bud either. Besides, in my lower class culture, a guy's word is all he's got and when I make a promise to a chick, I keep it hell or high water (though when drowning I do wonder about the wisdom of that). It's a shitstorm of the worst kind.

Then there's the economics... oh brother, there's a fucking clusterfrak fer ya. Mostly I just don't know what to do but keep one foot in front of the other in this great forced march to extinction.

As to what Vanessa was trying to say in the article... jeebus, who the fuck knows.

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Answer to headline: LOVE.
Posted by: -matti on Jul 11, 2009 6:48 PM   
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Sh!t, that was tough wasn't it?

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What's so sexy about pulling double shifts?
Posted by: PaulK on Jul 11, 2009 6:58 PM   
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In the past 50 years we have seen computers grow from 8 transistors on a chip to gigabyte thumb drives. Robots make our cars. We have all grown fantastically rich.

If the majority of the population hadn't gone backwards economically in that same 50 years, then I'd love to hook up, stay hooked up, stay home and overpopulate the world. It would be fun! However, the screws have been applied to most of us. I don't go to Ashton Kutcher parties, whoever he is.

We divorce because kids are a form of financial torture. We thought we were having fun and poof, the kid came. They don't help around the farm in this century.

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Maybe the USA needs to do what India does when it comes to marriages.
Posted by: Ranjit Kumar on Jul 11, 2009 8:03 PM   
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Get into the idea of arranged marriages. These types of marriages are not forced marriages unlike what the anti-Eastern propagandists want to tell us. You may laugh at our idea that marriage comes first before love but go take a look at your results. Blind love makes it too easy to overlook their partner's issues and weaknesses and is thus the main reason for the 50% divorce rate we see today. In India, the divorce rate is extremely low and even domestic abuse and bad relationships are far lower than in the USA. In India where my parents came from, marriages are generally treated with total respect. The parents of both the boy and the girl take the time to get to know each other and develop some friendship and that too is important. At least it beats the typical runaway marriages that often end up in failure when the boy or girl suddenly goes bonkers.

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The ideas in the header of this article are so out of whack
Posted by: SalB on Jul 12, 2009 12:15 AM   
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It depresses me that people still think this way that an article like this is "shocking". How to make marriage desirable? You really want to know?

Why not ask all the gay people in California that can't get married. Why not ask all the couples that DID get married while they could why it was so important to them.

Also, life expectancy was never really realistically at 20, except maybe for some women that died young, in childbirth, or when you factor in all the babies and children that died before vaccines. Aside from death while giving birth, if you survived until marriage, you would at least make it to see one of your own kids get married too. Otherwise, we wouldn't have been able to, you know, pass on our culture.

But back to how to not make marriage suck: stop being stupid about it.

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Yeesh.
Posted by: kenhymes on Jul 12, 2009 6:50 AM   
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Others have pointed this out, but in fact we are quite unusually free in the US and Europe to marry, or not, as we please, if we are able to find someone worth marrying. The common problem many men and women face is simply finding any kind of partner, and/or dealing with a culture that organizes status and consumption around the nuclear family. Whining about an insufficiently amazing sex life, or a lack of dramatic romance, is a habit peculiar to the wealthy, the over-therapized, and the narcissistic. As Peter Falk said when asked if he resented being typecast as Columbo: there are people with real problems in the world.

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Only 5 years so far for me...
Posted by: doctorsquared on Jul 12, 2009 9:39 AM   
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and yes, the quality of the feelings we have for each other has changed over time. But paraphrasing Heraclitus, one can never step in the same river twice. The overarching theme of our marriage, that we love and are committed to one another, has not changed at its fundamental core. And hey, when we are in our 80s we might not get it on anymore, but despite the fact that I lust after my wife's T&A, that is not the most important reason we got married. If people go into marriage expecting that it will the same as when they were dating forever, that reflects, well, a very uninformed, immature, (dare I say, typical moronic American) attitude.

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Get a vacation home
Posted by: democracy on Jul 12, 2009 10:05 AM   
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Getting a divorce is about as expensive as getting a vacation home. If you want variety

travel
make new friends
change jobs
try new menus
read a good book

I've been married 18 years and can still have mind-blowing orgasms. Why on earth would I trade the comfort and stability of marriage for the stress and uncertainty of serial monogamy. We have three kids. I can't imagine how unpleasant it would be to live with them with even fewer resources and the prospect of dating a bunch of loser lotharios.

His parents had an "open marriage." That whole crowd attracts wackos and perverts. Sure you get sexual variety and the thrill of infatuation, but at too high a price.

No thanks. I'll take financial security and less stress any day of the work.

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"back when life expectancy was a couple of decades"
Posted by: scot on Jul 12, 2009 10:20 AM   
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That was when infant mortality was much, much higher than it is today. People "back then" who made it to the marriageable age lived about as long as we do. (Statistics 101)

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divorce is a luxury item
Posted by: democracy on Jul 12, 2009 12:21 PM   
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Plain and simple. Like everything else these days - don't get one unless you are sure you can afford one.

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It simple really
Posted by: KeithRichardRadfordJr on Jul 12, 2009 12:40 PM   
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Put the other 1st

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It's simple really
Posted by: KeithRichardRadfordJr on Jul 12, 2009 12:46 PM   
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Put the other 1st

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marriage
Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous on Jul 12, 2009 4:13 PM   
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as someone who has been married for 30 years now and is a practicing psychotherapist, i will just say that marriages work if people put some work into it. there is no autopilot. you got married because of something that you liked in the interaction with the other person. you have to continue to pay attention to teach other and not just allow parenting, work and household routines to consume all of your time, energy and life. otherwise at some point, when the kids grow up if not before, you look at each other and think, "who the hell are you?" everyone has to have this balance in their marriage of paying attention to each other. that's just life. complaining about it and using it as an excuse for divorce, as the author does, is childish in the extreme. in the absence of addiction issues or an abusive spouse, most if not all marriages can work unlees one partner chooses, for reasons of their own, to just walk away. i suspect that the author is not being entirely forthcoming about the reasons for the ending of her marriage.

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nuclear family
Posted by: johnjpdx on Jul 12, 2009 7:31 PM   
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The catch here is, it's all based on the idea of 2 parents + kids nuclear family. Kids shouldn't be raised by only 1 or 2 people. Kids should be raised in packs. Whether it's the extended biological family of grandma, grandpa, their kids + spouses and all their kids or a "self-selected" family of your good old 60's commune putting all the responsibility on 2 people to make each other happy AND raise 2 or so happy, functioning children to adulthood is asking too much. Which is why the corporate desired model of the nuclear MOBILE workerbee unit is failing.

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Hogwash
Posted by: challenger101 on Jul 13, 2009 9:29 AM   
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Our once great nation is becoming more and more unstable due to our moral deterioration. Its no wonder our once leading role in the world has transformed into a degraded society that other nations now detest.
A young man can forget ever finding a virgin for his wife. American women have slutted themselves to tattoos and multiple body piercings to the point that they serve only as a piece of meat waiting for their anticipated abuse.
American men who still hold true American values now look outside the country to find a wife with morals and loyalty. These attributes are no longer found among American women. They have surpassed the bra burining equal rights movement of the earlier years and served themselves up a cocktail of demonic false gods that they sculptured to fit their own evil desires. Now, who wants them?
A slut with multiple tattoos and body piercings, wearing ecessive make up and micro mini skirts will never find a decent man for love and life, which is what their appearance suggest they don't want anyway.
Go figure.

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Grrr.....
Posted by: GeorgiaLiberal on Jul 13, 2009 3:20 PM   
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"Marriage was designed when lifetimes were a few decades..."

Classic misinterpretation of lifespan/life expectancy. Most deaths were right out of the gate-childhood diseases that sanitation and vaccination solve. If these (and childbirth for women) were survived, people had quite long lives and marriages. So, if "average" life expectancy is 45, and there was 30% childhood mortality, its not like on average people popped out kids and died at 45.

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im hope im as lucky
Posted by: sureshot45 on Jul 15, 2009 6:17 AM   
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as the posters on here who have been married 18 years, 30 years, even 5 years. ive been married just short of 3, already have kids. an unplanned pregnancy and a practical discussion of the benefits of marriage..and we got married.

of course we are lucky enough to still love each other and are still passionate for each other..but we didnt fall into the whole traditional..i have to date you for 2 years, be engaged for 1 to plan the wedding blah blah. i did this backwards from every single friend i have..and i honestly am quite happy.

there are days when it seems the chores wont end..but you know what we do? screw them. if i dont feel like doing dishes or making the beds in the morning..i dont! its just my family living in my home..we are all happy. my husband and kids are always a priority over the mundane domestic chores.

most men (and women) would prefer that you put down the broom and mop, stop trying to achieve a home as sterile as hospital room and just get naked already.

the chores can wait.

life is what happens when youre busy polishing your silver.

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Drudgery as it is ,won't changed.
Posted by: itouch backup on Jul 15, 2009 8:44 PM   
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Hypnotise your Husbands.
Posted by: JennyHypnosis on Jul 16, 2009 10:00 AM   
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Is that actually possible?

It is amazingly. It works on any man but has to be done by a woman.

The reason is phenomenal. Man has always had a weakness for women. Physically and mentally,he has an unseen weakness. Any woman can hypnotise any men using the ancient artform of Hypnotism.


Do we ladies have the last say? We look after the kids. We cook his dinner. We keep the house in order. At the end of the day,we deserve a little tenderness. How many times has he taken us for granted? We do the shitload and there he is glued to the screen watching his football.

I needed to change things alittle when it came to my husband and now his twirled round my little fingers.

THINGS are about to change Ladies!!!


Lets control our men through the power of Hypnotism. Lets turn the tables around. Get him to cook for you. Get him to wash those dishes.Get him to give you that massage while you tune in to your favourite episode of Desperate Housewives.


Ive done it and you can too.Enough is enough. Its time to put him under Hypnosis and I'll tell you just how. It sure as hell works for
me and it will for you too.

Jenny

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