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Young and Gay in the Bible Belt: 'My Mom Came at Me With a Butcher Knife!'

By Bernadette C. Barton , AlterNet. Posted April 15, 2009.


For many Bible Belt gays, "home" is not a haven from the outside world. Home may be more dangerous than the streets.
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The crisis gay youth face in the Bible Belt struck home particularly hard for me this week while dining with members of a gay/straight alliance in a small Southern town.

After asking the conversation-opener of the group -- "So, would you like to all share your coming out stories with me?" -- a young woman on my right named Angie* immediately burst out, "My mother came at me with a butcher knife!"

Stunned, I was trying to process this when a young woman to my left whispered, "You don't want to hear my story, it's too violent." More violent than your mother attacking you with a butcher knife? How is that possible? What does that mean?

I usually visit with the gay/straight alliance students during my campus visits. At this particular tiny university town in a remote corner of the South, we had a room to ourselves at a not-very-fancy Chinese restaurant in a strip mall. The students were adorable -- sweet, eager to please, charming.

Sipping hot oolong tea, I tried to wrap my mind around the image of my mother, the person who is supposed to love me the most, coming at me with a big knife. Blood-soaked footage from the movie Carrie filled my head. I thought, "Your mother is the one who's supposed to protect you from the person holding the butcher knife, not be the person wielding it. What kind of psychological damage does this do?"

It emerged that Angie's 14-year-old younger sister had outed her to their mother. How scary for the younger sister to witness such a dire reaction to a petty act of tattling. This mother's violent, homophobic response to Angie psychologically abused both girls.

Meanwhile, the alliance students, although attentive and respectful to Angie and one another, did not act disturbed or even very surprised by the butcher-knife story or the ones that followed. Their general demeanor suggested that these kinds of horror stories were simply business as usual in their lives.

We all got up, filled our plates and upon our return to the table, they continued to share.

"My mother didn't speak to me for three months."

"My partner and I had to fake a breakup so I could keep my car."

"My father called me an abomination and quoted Scripture."

"My parents disowned me."

"I haven't come out to my parents because they couldn't handle it."

No one's opinion is more important, no one's rejection more painful, and no one's support more sought than the families -- and especially the mothers -- of the gay men and lesbians I have interviewed.

History and culture instruct us that relationships with family members mean something special and different than those with the rest of the world. We learn that "family is always there for you" and "you can't divorce your family." We are told to "take care of family" and that "a mother's love is unconditional." Family "takes you in when no one else will have you." Home is a "haven."

Regardless of the validity of these cultural narratives in any particular family, they function as an ideological backdrop against which most of us measure our family relationships.

Home is not a haven for many Bible Belt gays. Home may be more dangerous than the streets. A 2006 National Gay and Lesbian Task Force study found that of homeless teens, 42 percent identify as gay. If one considers that the most generous estimates of the percentage of gay people in the general population is 10 percent, such a statistic illustrates an alarming over-representation of gay kids among the homeless.


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Bernadette Barton (Ph.D. University of Kentucky 2000) is associate professor of sociology and women’s studies at Morehead State University. She is the author of Stripped: Inside the Lives of Exotic Dancers (2006, New York University Press), and numerous articles on sexuality studies. Barton’s current research project examines the experiences of gay men and lesbians, and is the focus of an upcoming book, Pray the Gay Away: Religion and Homosexuality in the Bible Belt.

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All are God's children
Posted by: Blacktiger1 on Apr 15, 2009 1:30 AM   
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After all He is the one who inserts the soul within the child before it is born. I would find it hard to tell God He made a mistake!!!The way the Bible was written by ignorant old men who wished for all to do what they say and NOT what they do. You end up with people like that sunday school teacher who killed that little girl in California. Or the poor person who hears "god" telling him/her to kill so and so. The Bible and Torah and Koran are responsible for the death of billions of people over the years since they were put into writing.Yet every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday people go to their place of "worship" and hear more words to satisfy their blood lust.

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» RE: All are God's children Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
Jesus never said he was anit-gay
Posted by: thornwolf on Apr 15, 2009 2:52 AM   
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Self-styled Christians ought to regard the teachings and example of Jesus instead of listening to words of hate by humans of questionable intent. Are not the master's own words and actions enough? Oh ye of little faith.

Jesus said, "Love one another." What's not plain about that? He didn't say who to love or how, just to love. Love one another.

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Loving All of God's Children Is a Sacred Duty, not a job.
Posted by: Dak on Apr 15, 2009 3:23 AM   
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As a retired Pastor, Hospital/Hospice Chaplain, I had the marvelous duty to allay peoples' fears that God hated them. God made no mistakes giving people their sexual orientation, Gay or Straight.
I look on my sexual orientation as a beautiful gift from God, not a curse.
My heart breaks for these people, young and old, who are abused psychologically for who they are.
Some day these hypocritical christians will have to face their God and try to explain the damage they have done.
I only wish I could meet these young people and assure them that they are loved, approved, and accepted by God for whoever and whatever they may be...God DOES love you...and so do I!
Pastor Dak! (George M Melby)

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Murder of Gay Kids Encouraged By Christians and Courts
Posted by: billslm on Apr 15, 2009 3:39 AM   
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It cannot be stated strongly enough that churches and schools are the real bastions of the homophobes. If you don't know what a homophobe is, look at former Senator Larry Craig, and the Rev. Ted Haggard, minister of one of the largest Evangelical congregations in America. Both men were extremely vocal in their hatred and denunciation of gays. Both were caught with their pants down.

Senator Craig was responsible for some of the most hateful legislation against gays ever proposed in DC, and was caught seeking male sex in an airport men's toilet.

Haggard was outed by the male hooker he frequented, not only for gay sex but illicit drugs as well.

The self styled Christian preachers who preach against gays are the worst of the baddies. In so doing they give license to murder. But the dynamics of homophobia are simple:

The more you hate gays
the more you are one.


Well adjusted people don't have a problem with gays. Christians and Republicans have a big problem with gays because they are closeted (repressed) gays themselves.

How does the justice department handle violent crime against gays?

Dan White, who murdered the mayor of San Francisco and then walked into Harvey Milk's office and murdered him, was out of prison in five years. A free man!

This is American justice!

Rick Warren is homophobic! You can do whatever you want to with that.

HOMOPHOBIA KILLS!

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» Oh, crap.... Posted by: mr. joshua
» The Dynamics of Homophobia -- uh, uh Posted by: AdamSelene40
And that's why gun control needs to be completely abolished.
Posted by: Sports Warrior Casey Jones on Apr 15, 2009 3:57 AM   
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The kids should have had their rights to self defense when they needed it the most. Hell, I was owning shotguns and desert eagles by the age of 15 in addition to bats and hockey sticks. If my parents were gonna abuse me, I was prepared to defend myself with a baseball bat but they knew a hell of a lot better than to do that.

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That Which Doesn't Kill Us.....
Posted by: Sparks56 on Apr 15, 2009 4:16 AM   
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makes us stronger.
"The students were adorable -- sweet, eager to please, charming." After being run at by your mother with a butcher knife? One would expect bitter, angry, withdrawn.
I lived in San Francisco in during the Gay Liberation days, when gays from all over the country came to SF just to be themselves, and to escape the treatment desribed in the article above. In those days, such treatment was not limited to the bible belt. Rejected by their biological families, these people formed their own family, stronger and more supportive than most families. They formed a strong, unified community, economic and political, that made the lefties I was hanging with seem pathetic. We see the results of that community's actions everywhere; not the least of which is that gays no longer have to go to San Francisco just to be accepted for who they are. Diehard bible belt homophobes will probably never get it, but their children will.

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» Um ... Posted by: deang
» RE: Um ... Posted by: Lilykins
The mother with the butcher knife likely had plenty more problems before the gay thing.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Apr 15, 2009 4:31 AM   
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I seriously don't think that she came with a butcher knife just because the kids were gay. She most likely would have come with one even if her kids weren't. There have always been mean moms and mean dads in society regardless but attributing their meanness to their kids being gay doesn't make sense. I've met couples whose kids were same sex and they never had a violent attitude towards them even though they were disappointed in their kids for being same sex.

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My fundamentalist Christian beliefs had my daughter so messed up she tried to kill herself
Posted by: deni_haven on Apr 15, 2009 4:47 AM   
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As a former fundamentalist "bible-believing" Christian, our family adopted a lifestyle based upon narrowly-defined gender roles which we believed was the best way to please God.

My oldest daughter could not explain the pain she felt in her heart ~ because we were supposedly such a wonderful, godly family. As she tells it: "Every night I would cry myself to sleep, and every day I would convince others that my life was ideal."

It took her landing in the psych ward after attempting suicide before I finally woke up to the destructiveness of the lies we had been so convinced of. We are no longer looking to an ancient text written by power-hungry, misogynistic men for guidance in how we ought to live our lives as women in the 21st century ... we are No Longer Quivering

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My mother also threatened me with a butcher knife.
Posted by: Tracey13 on Apr 15, 2009 5:10 AM   
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Thank you for the article "Young and Gay in the Bible Belt: 'My Mom Came at Me With a Butcher Knife!'"

My mother also threatened me with a butcher knife. Her comment to me was "I brought you into this world, and I can damn sure take you out!" She threw me out of my childhood home when I was 17, and I never went back.

People say we make a choice to be LGBT? I say the only choice about it for me was if I decide to lie about my life or not, and I'm no liar.

Sexuality is not a black or white thing--there are thousands of shades of gray. If you are bisexual, you can make a choice to be with either a man or a woman. For people who are truly lesbian or gay, to choose to live a life that they are inherently not is a horrible way to live, and I refuse to live my life for other people who are uncomfortable about who I was born to be.

The thing I've always found is that if someone is extremely homophobic, they are usually gay or bisexual themselves.

I've also seen, over and over, that gay or bisexual people usually have a gay or bisexual person in their direct family--father, mother, grandmother, grandfather, there's usually a gay or bisexual person in the background somewhere. Many times that person is a closet-case homophobe who is so freaked out by their own sexuality, that they spend their lives pointing their finger at others. "You Spot It, You Got It" is the saying we use for homophobic, closet-cases.

After over 30 years of being an out lesbian, I can honestly say that I've just never had a problem concerning homophobia with a person who accepts their own sexuality. People who accept themselves usually care less how I was born. People who hide who and what they are, are the ones who usually have issues with LGBT people, and many times these people can be direct family members.

Because of the homophobia I have faced during my life, my partner and I wrote the book "How To Be A Happy Lesbian: A Coming Out Guide," and we have a very large website with over 1,500 free resources for lesbian and bisexual women worldwide.

Included in these resources is a free support group for women who are coming out as lesbian or bisexual. We have members in our group who are dealing with this kind of bigotry and we are there to help them through this.

This group has over 850 members worldwide, and we provide free support for any woman who needs it. If you are a woman who is coming out and you need support, please visit our website:

amazingdreamspublishing.com

Sincerely,

Tracey

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» Extreme homophobia Posted by: Karina
"Mom Came at Me With a Butcher Knife!"
Posted by: xvictor on Apr 15, 2009 5:19 AM   
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So much for 'love thy neighbor'.

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Swat Valley of the US (But we call them Red States)
Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 15, 2009 6:39 AM   
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What makes Christian Fundamentalists any different than the Islamic extremeists?Apparently not a fucking thing!
come on folks these are the Same wolves just donning a different Sheeps clothing.
Over the last few decades innocent americns have been killed by these sociopathic Sects. They have bombed not only clinics but large social events (Atlanta Oylmpics). Thye ahve carried out assasinations (MD's) and Heinous Crimes (Guy beaten & tied to a WY fence post). They have even attacked places of worship (church shootings duringa kids Recital at a 'liberal' church).
There was no reason to 'Fight them there, before we have to fight them here'- these crazies have been among US for quite sometime. In fact these 'warriors of God' have plagued humanity for millenia.Probably why there is no (*) after the Commandment 'Thou Shall not Kill'- no disclaimer giving vindication for Murder on 'moral' Grounds.
Again I must ask Where are the 'God Wrath' Brigade lately? Seems the Red States are taking quite a beating- Tornados, Ice stroms, flooding, Fires...Is God Trying to tell them something? I'm not saying it is (I'm not that Heretically arrogant), I'm just asking.
It's time we stop pointing fingers at the atrocities and injustice of the muslim world and take a stern stand against our own sociopathic and psychotic Religious fanatics. thye are not only committing violent and oppressive acts against Gays, but Women and children.
Heads up Born Again,Evangelical, and 'End of Dayers'- this shit doesn't fly Here Either- no matter what 'holy' book you use to hide behind. You are not Just Deceivers, but heretics in your thoughts and actions.

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mine in the 80s
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 15, 2009 6:46 AM   
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slapped the ever-loving bejayzuz out of me & broke a closet door with my head because she heard from the 'Youth Ministry Guide' that I hadn't 'gone down to get ReBorn' when sent to the Billy Graham Crusade stadium event...

"You fucking bitch! now everybody knows what a worthless fucking sinning bitch I have to put up with... & NOBODY will believe how hard I work to have a GOOD CHRISTIAN HOME when I have to live with filth like you...
*slap*shove*slap*shove*

Jesus Love makes for good parenting, problem/conflict-solving skillz

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Typical
Posted by: boatboy_srq on Apr 15, 2009 7:04 AM   
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I survived four years at a Southern Baptist university as a gay man. The stories the author recounts sound not atypical of what my LG peers (Bi wasn't counted back then and we had no Trans classmates) shared with me. Those stories included "trade" with (married) faculty (sex for better grades), fraternity boys paired with sorority girls - by their chapters, no less - to camouflage their orientation, and other less-than-savory coping practices.

I will admit that my time as an out gay man was easier than when I was closeted. I put this down to being comfortable in my own skin, and the projection of "normality" that my classmates and professors applied to that comfort. Indeed, the apparent presumption of my classmates and teachers not "in the know" appears to have been that I was happily hetero in those last years, truth notwithstanding. Certainly nobody actually asked me about my preferences at any time, though I have no doubt assumptions were made and I definitely heard enough anti-gay agitprop to last a lifetime.

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As a "straight" male
Posted by: be marc on Apr 15, 2009 7:09 AM   
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I couldn't for years understand why some supposedly "straight" males are so vehemently homophobic. What's the big deal? Why does sexual orientation matter so much to some people, and why do they feel so threatened by gays? If you really are a straight male then where's the "threat"?

A University of Georgia study published a few years ago answered my questions and confirmed my suspicions. They found that 80% of homophobic males in the group they studied had homosexual tendencies.

That certainly explains it.

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» RE: As a "straight" male Posted by: Deejwade
» dude, you should've been with me Posted by: hurricane hugo
Religion is a bane
Posted by: Bob Bliss on Apr 15, 2009 7:15 AM   
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When or if science is able to identify a gay fetus, I wonder how quickly these religious freaks will change their stance on abortion.

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» RE: eligion is a bane Posted by: paulaH
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Item # 3,517 On Why I Left The Church
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 15, 2009 7:39 AM   
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The homophobia and hate mongering toward GLBT people is one of the things that moved me away from the church and the Christian faith. It wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back, but it was a biggie.

Fate or good fortune brought me gay roomies in the College Dorm and later the Army barracks. As I came to know these people in the way only roommates know each other, I gained an understanding of gay people that was in direct conflict with the propaganda from the mainstream society and the church.

I myself am not gay, but value the people in my life who are. The insane hatred and discrimination against GLBT people is wrong. It's just as wrong as Jim Crow.

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Much of the Gay Hysteria Was Deliberately Fomented to Sway Elections!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Apr 15, 2009 7:47 AM   
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When the electoral votes of a state like Ohio are made to hinge on one issue like "gay marriage", all sorts of voting manipulation can and does occur!

Furthermore, with everyone fighting for or against gay rights, other issues like illegal wars, torture, inadequate healthcare, imploding economy, etc., go unchanged.

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Why I don't believe in "religion"
Posted by: reelectnoone on Apr 15, 2009 8:01 AM   
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There is a difference between spirituality and religion. Most "religious" people don't understand this. I don't believe in religions. They are and have always been man-created institutions used to manipulate and control other humans and to kill and torture those they could not control.

The "bible belt" is full of people who have been brain washed by religions for so long they no longer know right from wrong...they know "scripture" from "non-scripture" and that makes them dangerous.

They don't seem to realize that they have a lot in common with Muslim radicals that want to kill us because we are outside of their "scripture"...blind faith in a book that has been mis-interpreted in a manner designed to tell them everyone else is wrong and will go to hell etc. etc.

Those "scripture spouting" bible belt people don't understand the meaning of love, truth, family and country.

They have been taught hate and intolerance instead. That, to me, would appear to be the devils work !

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WWJD?
Posted by: MonkeyDaddy on Apr 15, 2009 8:31 AM   
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I'm not thinking butcher knife.

A lot of fundamentalist Christians seem to be embracing environmentalism as consistent with their faith, maybe at some point they will get the whole "love one another" thing. Do they even read what the dude supposedly said?

Amazing to me that people can call themselves 'Christian" and be so intolerant and actually violent towards their own children.

Its not just the sheep, its the shepherds too. A lot of these ministers spend a lot of time whipping the faithful into an anti-gay frenzy, which I think is actually sinful. They want everyone to take responsibility for their personal wrongs, they can start with themselves.

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» RE: WWJD? Posted by: Dboy
A Sham Religion
Posted by: bbandz on Apr 15, 2009 8:32 AM   
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"There is no religion without Love, and people can talk as much as they like about their religion, but if it does not teach them to be good and kind... it is all a sham." -- Anna Sewell

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal


"I like your Christ.I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.” -- Mohandas K. Gandhi

--bandz

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Clergy, Closet Cases, and how religion breeds us homos...
Posted by: Tracey13 on Apr 15, 2009 8:39 AM   
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I've seen A LOT of closet-cases who are clergy or high up in the church, and I've had many friends whose parents are gay and in the closet:

A good friend of mines father went to his grave denying his sexuality--he died of AIDs. My friend and her sister are both lesbian.

My partner's father and both his sisters are gay. She is his only biological daughter and she's lesbian too.

My first GF in High School--2 out of 4 kids in her family are gay. Another friend--4 out of 5 kids in the family; and the most shocking case for gay being biological in nature: we had a woman in our support group who had 12 sisters and one brother--EVERY ONE OF THE SISTERS IS LESBIAN, AND EVERY ONE OF THEM BECAME A NUN! The only one in that family who is straight was the brother, and he is probably a lesbian in disguise : )

I had a very good friend who attended a Christian College with the son of a very famous Televangelist. My friend said this homophobic man's son was "THE BIGGEST QUEEN I'VE EVER SEEN!"

What's funny to me is the fact that some Christians think that because gay people have "Found the Lord and changed their wicked ways," AKA live straight and get married, that they aren't gay anymore. What these Christian folks fail to realize is that the kids born from closeted gay people have a big chance of being born gay themselves.

I've seen this with two different "Ex-Gay" couples. These people were from two different churches, and they did not know each other. Each couple had one child and both of these kids were boys. From the time these boys were old enough talk they were obviously going to be gay. One wanted dolls and an easy bake oven, and the other ran around with a towel on his head saying things like "LOOK AT ME!!! I'm Cinderella!"

Force LGBT people to be something we are not, and guess what? You could very well be breeding more of us...

Tracey

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» Rock on, Tracy. Posted by: redceres
» Although, I must add. . . Posted by: redceres
How do we "fit in"?
Posted by: willymack on Apr 15, 2009 10:31 AM   
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With the rest of the world? Not very well, it seems. For a people who profess to be a shining light for others to emulate, we have some very serious hangups. The smiles on the faces of people in other nations are but a vain attempt to keep a straight face when Americans are mentioned.

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Jesus forgives but mom wields a butcher knife
Posted by: PaulK on Apr 15, 2009 11:15 AM   
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Cultlike is as cultlike does.

If your church, synagogue, mosque or temple is just plain off the rails with the forgiveness principle, good luck getting back on track. Leaving your congregation on principle is one option. Patiently and humbly working for years with your congregation (because they sinned and they need forgiveness too, and that's who you are) is another tactic.

In the end, much of the human race is so nuts! A few will wake up and stop being so crazy. Help those few!

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My next door neighbors
Posted by: bettyn on Apr 15, 2009 11:14 AM   
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when I was a kid had a very poorly closeted gay son.(I grew up in the South.) He tried so hard to appear "straight" that it was just really sad. During his junior year in high school he and one of his "friends" were so badly beaten by other boys in his class that they had to be hospitalized, but neither would ever name their attackers.

The same boy later made a try at having a marriage and a family. This, of course, failed. Finally, he drove out into the countryside near his home and blew his brains out with a pistol. The note he left said he did it to "let his ex-wife get his insurance". Everyone knew this was far from the truth. He just could not accept who he was.

In addition, I have a closeted lesbian friend from high school who has been in a "sham" marriage for years now with a closeted gay man. Am sure they felt forced into this situation because of peer and parental pressure. The man in this marriage has a truly sick and twistd attitude about life and other people in general. (He has been in trouble with the law on many occasions and has never had a real job.) I guess he projects this image to "cover his tracks". His wife enables him anyway she can.

That people are forced into living like this is beyond ridiculous. Since I left the area where I was born, I've had many gay friends, including my next door neighbors at this time. However, I worry about these guys. The town I live in now is not Southern, but there are plenty of rightwing nuts around here.

Why can't we just live and let live?

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youth need emancipation of minors laws
Posted by: michaa on Apr 15, 2009 12:36 PM   
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So, we need "institutions" like same-sex marriage in order to provide youth with models??!! Not! My state has no emancipation of minors statute, and the gay/lez assimilationist groups are not interested in pushing for one. They prefer to get state funding for youth "protection" groups. Meanwhile, pederasts, who have provided support for teenage youths for centuries are anathematized by the assimilationist crowd. Young people ought to be able to divorce their parents. Such laws at least would help to liberate them. Instead of fighting for such an improvement in the lives of young people, the gay/lez movement is busy aping failing hetero institutions like marriage.
Michaa

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» I have to humbly disagree Posted by: maddasein
The real extent of the anti-gay sickness in Nebraska
Posted by: raginghormones on Apr 15, 2009 2:42 PM   
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I live in rural Nebraska, and while many may consider us to far to the North and West of the traditional "Bible Belt", the sad and depressing attitudes are fully prevalent out here.

Remember, Nebraska is the state where Brandon Teena was brutally murdered after it was discovered that she was transexual.

I am a gay person, a farmer no less, and I would never come out around here. The anti-gay atmosphere where I live is incredible: anybody coming out of the closet would probably be lynched.

I recently had a landlord die who left the land he owned, but I farmed, to a local Missouri Synod Lutheran church. I wanted to talk to the church about buying this land we had farmed for 60 years. At the church council meeting, I had to sit and listen to the Missouri Synod minister rant about gay people and how they had this "agenda".

And at a local shop, shortly after the murder of Brandon Teena, one guy remarked "Well...one less fag in the world".

What is REALLY depressing is how the young people around here are growing-up fully steeped in anti-gay hatred. Anti-gay hatred is the last acceptable prejudice in America.

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Christianity and homosexuality are incompatible
Posted by: rickiey on Apr 15, 2009 5:12 PM   
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One is responsible for the moral decay and hate in america, and the other is a sexual orientation.

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Child abuse
Posted by: yesman on Apr 15, 2009 8:52 PM   
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"gay children and adolescents are the victims of institutionally sanctioned child abuse."

This is, of course, true. I'm surprised that the author regards this as even potentially a controversial statement. Does everyone not realize that this is the case?

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thank you
Posted by: Sassafras on Apr 16, 2009 4:38 AM   
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Thank you for this great coverage of an issue which is too often ignored.

I'm an adult who was kicked out as a teenager from my semi-rural Oregon home and as an adult work with current and former homeless LGBTQ youth helping them to tell their stories. I am the editor of the 'Kicked Out' anthology which will be released from Homofactus Press in October. 'Kicked Out' brings together current and former homeless youth from all areas of the country, as well as leading organizations involved in fighting the epidemic of queer youth homelessness including: The National Gay & Lesbian Task Force, The National Alliance to End Homelessness, our foreword was written by Judy Shepard (Mother of Matthew Shepard) and we have been endorsed by PFLAG-National. www.KickedOutAnthology.com

Thank you again for this fantastic coverage, and helping to raise awareness on this issue.

Sassafras Lowrey
Kicked Out Anthology Editor
www.PoMoFreakshow.com
www.KickedOutAnthology.com

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My two cents...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Apr 16, 2009 10:40 AM   
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I suspect that we are all born 'bi-sexual', meaning we are wired to love and please each other. Then, because society in general is afraid of 'chaos' we are programmed to fear divine retribution for loving in the 'wrong' way. This programming creates both extremes, the homophobe and the heterophobe as we are polarized. If you really think about it, why would anybody refuse another persons desire to give them pleasure. Of course, a lot of our sexuality is based on self-gratification and so it deteriorates into mutual masturbation rather than the feedback effect of mutual pleasure giving.

I also wonder if there aren't actually seven different sexual orientations: Heterosexual male or female, homosexual male or female, bisexual male or female, and asexual males and females (they do exist but it may just be fear of intimacy).

Lastly, if we do go through multiple incarnations, we may also have lives as both male and female. The proof I've seen of multiple lives is in the personalities of infants. They seem to be born with definite personality traits already in place, like they 'bled' over from the previous incarnation. This makes me wonder if sexual orientation might 'bleed' over too. That a person who was just female but is now born into a male body still has the tendency to follow the previous lifes' patterns and is still attracted to the male physique.

Aren't you glad you don't have to live in MY head? ;op 'Half acre of Hell' is waaay too mild.

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» RE: My two cents... Posted by: Bliss Doubt
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