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Why Relationship Sex Is Boring
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Why is it that great sex so often fades for couples who claim to love each other as much as ever? Can we want what we already have? Why does good intimacy not guarantee great sex? Why is the forbidden erotic? Why does the transition to parenthood deliver such an erotic blow? And when we love what do we feel and when we desire how is it different?
These are some of the questions that occupied me when I set out to the nature of erotic desire in long-term relationships for my book Mating In Captivity: Reconciling the Erotic and the Domestic. I wanted to look at the obstacles and anxieties we experience when our quest for secure love clashes with our pursuit of passion.
After traveling to 20 countries in the last two years (the book has been translated into 25 languages), I kept wondering whatever happened to the generation that experienced the sexual revolution, or its beneficiaries, who have contraception in their hands, who can count on premarital sex as a given. They view sexual satisfaction as central to relational happiness, they can do what they want, and they have no desire to do it, or at least not at home.
It is commonly viewed that sexual problems are the result of relationship problems -- namely, lack of communication. Find out about the state of the union first; see how it manifests in the bedroom second. The premise is that if sexual problems are the consequence of the relationship, fix the relationship and the sex will follow.
In my experience, I'd helped many couples improve their relationship -- they felt closer, laughed together, they communicated more. But this did nothing for the bedroom. Emotional fulfillment does not necessarily translate to sexual excitement.
Sex is not a metaphor for a relationship, it's a parallel narrative. It speaks its own language. Love and desire are two different languages. We would like to think that they flow from each other. While love and desire relate, they also conflict. Love thrives in an atmosphere of reciprocity, protection , and congruence. Desire is more selfish. In fact, at times, the very elements that nurture love: comfort, stability, safety, for example, can extinguish desire.
Love seeks closeness, but desire needs space to thrive. Here's a question to illustrate my point.
"Tell me about a moment when you find yourself particularly drawn to your partner." All over the world, the answers resonate with a remarkable similarity.
When I seem him play sports ... When she's unaware I'm watching her ... When he is talking with friends ... When she's confidently speaking with a colleague ... When she's standing on the other side of a crowded room, and she smiles just for me ... When he's playing with the kids ... When he makes me laugh, when she surprises me ... When I watch him do something he is passionate about.
Whatever the answer, it is never without an element of distance. The separateness is accentuated and difference is magnified. We look across this distance and what we see is different than the view up close. We create a bridge of things unknown by making a perceptual shift, and it is on this bridge, in the space between each other, that we can meet and play with the erotic.
My work with couples is to illicit strivings, longing, and novelty -- to make interesting what is sufficiently available.
So how do we begin to better ourselves in the language of sex? First of all, stop thinking you're trying to improve "sex" -- it's a limiting definition, too enmeshed in mechanics, necessity and numbers. Think about improving your relationship with eroticism; if that's too big a leap, think play.
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Posted by: ShaeSays on Oct 22, 2008 1:23 PM
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Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 23, 2008 4:13 AM
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How Many People's Lives, Were "Used as Examples, for this Book, to be Published, & THE PEOPLE... DIDN'T *REAP BENEFITS*.... & it's like the Oil Barons... someone got a Pocket Full of Money... & others, die.
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Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 23, 2008 4:18 AM
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*Enough Food
*a Roof over Your Head
*Lack of Resources to Pay a Heating / Air bill
*Without Health & Medical Insurance
*Without a Way to Wash Your Clothing, except by scrubbing them in a sink.
*Without Sufficient Medication, for the Infection that has taken over your body
*Without Good Health
IS THIS SUPPOSED TO LEAVE A PERSON, WITH A "FEELING FOR ... BEING INTIMATE".
MOST PEOPLE, DO NOT CHOOSE, TO *FEEL SEXUAL, WHEN THEIR WORLD IS FALLING DOWN AROUND THEM*.
Did you also, find this *in your travels, while you Made a Lot of Money, & Others, LIVE WITHOUT* ???
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Posted by: Libertine on Oct 23, 2008 10:15 AM
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I've found that once I get to know a partner completely and that there are no more surprises left, nothing new to learn about this woman, then boredom sets in and desire flies out the window and the sex becomes routine and mechanical. And all the sex books and new positions and new settings in the world don't change the fact that I'm having sex with the same old partner.
It's quite similar to what would happen if you decided to eat your favorite meal 3 meals a day, 365 days a year. What was once your favorite meal, quickly becomes "the same ol' thing", no longer anything special.
After a brief failed marriage in the 80s, I decided that marriage and monogamy were no longer for me, as it wouldn't be fair to me or to any woman I might marry. Since that time, my relationship/sex life is to have several "friends with benefits" relationships going concurrently, with the occasional one night stand thrown in for added variety. I live alone, maintaining my own space.
There's no domestic dailiness to kill the desire, living apart keeps us from knowing every small detail about one another, and having several relationships at once keeps excessive familiarity away longer. And when any one of these relationships runs its natural course(they typically run from one to five years), I tend to remain friends with them.
I only had the one child from the failed marriage and had no desire for more, so my life didn't upset the lives of children, as I've kept my relationship life separated from my role as a parent.
I can't advise anyone else how to conduct their lives, but I can say it works for me.
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Posted by: nfamous on Oct 24, 2008 6:08 AM
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Love has nothing to do with sex, regardless of how women interpret their fluctuating hormonal emotions. Men should be free to be married and have sex at the same time as long as they practice safe sex. I bet that the divorce rate would plummet if humans would just admit the truth about ourselves and jettison these silly religious traditions. I'm not saying that families are not useful to society. I'm only saying that we need to redefine them to what works in modern society. Obviously what we have no doesn't.
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Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on Oct 24, 2008 11:14 AM
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We had fallen into most of the marriage traps Dr. Perkel writes of in her book. The passions had cooled, and the sex was infrequent and mostly boring. We had even discussed making the split permanent. We agreed we were free to see other people.
The thing that made me desirable again to my wife was her seeing that I was desirable to other women. The summer before this last one was quite a summer for me. I was dating two women and still seeing my wife, mostly on weekends. My sexual desire came roaring back -- big time. I could even put away the little blue pills. The hunger and desire returned to my wife. The biggest turn-on for me is to see that desire in her eyes.
I've dropped the other two women, but I have no particular desire to have my wife move back in. We have kept up the intensity by maintaining the space. We've gotten a lot more sexually exploratory. We discuss openly what we desire, what we like, and what is "not so much".
Dr. Perkel says that for desire to burn, there has to be a bit of separation. I give that notion a hearty "Huzzah!" Too much closeness can take the air out of the room and smother the fire.
The experience has shown me that I really do love my wife and I can still lust after her like some horn-dog teenager after all these years (We've been together now for almost twenty years). I feel twenty years younger. I feel vital and alive. A good sex life adds so much to your feeling of well being. The past two years has been (unexpectedly) one of the high points of my life.
I set out with one set of expectations and was very pleasantly surprised when those expectations never manifested. What I got was much better than what I expected. I am exclusive again with my wife and I don't expect that to be changing.
What works for me is not a prescription for everybody. Communication and intimacy are important, but I can truthfully testify, it is absolutely no guarantee of a satisfying sex life. They do indeed exist in their own separate, but somewhat overlapping realms.
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Posted by: xtine on Oct 29, 2008 9:38 AM
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The studies I have read show that married people report being happier with their sex lives than singles do by a significant majority. If marriage were really that terrible, people wouldn't do it and gays wouldn't want to do it, too.
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Posted by: DrSBMason on Nov 13, 2008 4:30 PM
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Because of our large brains, humans must be born before they are completely formed. For this reason, Mother Nature arranged for sexual attraction to last a couple of years or - in other words - until the child is easily managed by a single parent and a reasonably cooperative society. The male is then free to spread his seed while the female is once again ready to search out a healthy male. Continue living together and sexual attraction dies because the couple comes to approximate brother and sister...and Mother nature hates incest. It's really a very simple system that evolved in answer to the problem of a big head and a small pelvis. Problems arise when a priest/politician class creates lists of selfserving sins/laws as a means of maintaining their power.
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Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 23, 2008 4:13 AM
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How Many People's Lives, Were "Used as Examples, for this Book, to be Published, & THE PEOPLE... DIDN'T *REAP BENEFITS*.... & it's like the Oil Barons... someone got a Pocket Full of Money... & others, die.
One American Lady
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Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 23, 2008 4:18 AM
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*Enough Food
*a Roof over Your Head
*Lack of Resources to Pay a Heating / Air bill
*Without Health & Medical Insurance
*Without a Way to Wash Your Clothing, except by scrubbing them in a sink.
*Without Sufficient Medication, for the Infection that has taken over your body
*Without Good Health
IS THIS SUPPOSED TO LEAVE A PERSON, WITH A "FEELING FOR ... BEING INTIMATE".
MOST PEOPLE, DO NOT CHOOSE, TO *FEEL SEXUAL, WHEN THEIR WORLD IS FALLING DOWN AROUND THEM*.
Did you also, find this *in your travels, while you Made a Lot of Money, & Others, LIVE WITHOUT* ???
One American Lady
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Posted by: Libertine on Oct 23, 2008 10:15 AM
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I've found that once I get to know a partner completely and that there are no more surprises left, nothing new to learn about this woman, then boredom sets in and desire flies out the window and the sex becomes routine and mechanical. And all the sex books and new positions and new settings in the world don't change the fact that I'm having sex with the same old partner.
It's quite similar to what would happen if you decided to eat your favorite meal 3 meals a day, 365 days a year. What was once your favorite meal, quickly becomes "the same ol' thing", no longer anything special.
After a brief failed marriage in the 80s, I decided that marriage and monogamy were no longer for me, as it wouldn't be fair to me or to any woman I might marry. Since that time, my relationship/sex life is to have several "friends with benefits" relationships going concurrently, with the occasional one night stand thrown in for added variety. I live alone, maintaining my own space.
There's no domestic dailiness to kill the desire, living apart keeps us from knowing every small detail about one another, and having several relationships at once keeps excessive familiarity away longer. And when any one of these relationships runs its natural course(they typically run from one to five years), I tend to remain friends with them.
I only had the one child from the failed marriage and had no desire for more, so my life didn't upset the lives of children, as I've kept my relationship life separated from my role as a parent.
I can't advise anyone else how to conduct their lives, but I can say it works for me.
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» Sex is just sex.
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» "After a brief failed marriage in the 80s" ....
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» Knee Jerk Response
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» RE: Knee Jerk Response ... to a Sweeping Over-Generalization?
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Posted by: nfamous on Oct 24, 2008 6:08 AM
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Love has nothing to do with sex, regardless of how women interpret their fluctuating hormonal emotions. Men should be free to be married and have sex at the same time as long as they practice safe sex. I bet that the divorce rate would plummet if humans would just admit the truth about ourselves and jettison these silly religious traditions. I'm not saying that families are not useful to society. I'm only saying that we need to redefine them to what works in modern society. Obviously what we have no doesn't.
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Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on Oct 24, 2008 11:14 AM
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We had fallen into most of the marriage traps Dr. Perkel writes of in her book. The passions had cooled, and the sex was infrequent and mostly boring. We had even discussed making the split permanent. We agreed we were free to see other people.
The thing that made me desirable again to my wife was her seeing that I was desirable to other women. The summer before this last one was quite a summer for me. I was dating two women and still seeing my wife, mostly on weekends. My sexual desire came roaring back -- big time. I could even put away the little blue pills. The hunger and desire returned to my wife. The biggest turn-on for me is to see that desire in her eyes.
I've dropped the other two women, but I have no particular desire to have my wife move back in. We have kept up the intensity by maintaining the space. We've gotten a lot more sexually exploratory. We discuss openly what we desire, what we like, and what is "not so much".
Dr. Perkel says that for desire to burn, there has to be a bit of separation. I give that notion a hearty "Huzzah!" Too much closeness can take the air out of the room and smother the fire.
The experience has shown me that I really do love my wife and I can still lust after her like some horn-dog teenager after all these years (We've been together now for almost twenty years). I feel twenty years younger. I feel vital and alive. A good sex life adds so much to your feeling of well being. The past two years has been (unexpectedly) one of the high points of my life.
I set out with one set of expectations and was very pleasantly surprised when those expectations never manifested. What I got was much better than what I expected. I am exclusive again with my wife and I don't expect that to be changing.
What works for me is not a prescription for everybody. Communication and intimacy are important, but I can truthfully testify, it is absolutely no guarantee of a satisfying sex life. They do indeed exist in their own separate, but somewhat overlapping realms.
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Posted by: xtine on Oct 29, 2008 9:38 AM
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The studies I have read show that married people report being happier with their sex lives than singles do by a significant majority. If marriage were really that terrible, people wouldn't do it and gays wouldn't want to do it, too.
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Posted by: DrSBMason on Nov 13, 2008 4:30 PM
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Because of our large brains, humans must be born before they are completely formed. For this reason, Mother Nature arranged for sexual attraction to last a couple of years or - in other words - until the child is easily managed by a single parent and a reasonably cooperative society. The male is then free to spread his seed while the female is once again ready to search out a healthy male. Continue living together and sexual attraction dies because the couple comes to approximate brother and sister...and Mother nature hates incest. It's really a very simple system that evolved in answer to the problem of a big head and a small pelvis. Problems arise when a priest/politician class creates lists of selfserving sins/laws as a means of maintaining their power.
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