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Sex and Relationships

When Your Family Cares About Marriage More Than You Do

By Wendy Atterberry , The Frisky. Posted September 26, 2008.


There are plenty of reasons to marry, but it's not something that always makes couples happier. Why can't my family understand that?
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My boyfriend and I have been together for just under 2 1⁄2 years and at the risk of sounding gag-arrific, I've really never been happier. Not only do we love each other, but we actually like each other a lot, too -- two things I've learned don't always go hand in hand. We have tons in common, have a great time together, always make each other laugh, and never run out of stuff to talk about. Among some of our topics of conversations are: vacation plans, buying a place in Brooklyn, having kids (when, why, and what to name them), and whether, when we're old and gray, we'll be like the senior couples we see in the park sometimes who hold hands on the bench and swap sections of the Sunday New York Times. One of the topics that doesn't crop up in our conversations very much, despite everything else we discuss, is marriage, something it seems like a lot of people -- my family, especially -- can't seem to understand.

I used to think it was generational -- this obsession with couples tying the knot and "making it legal," but lately, even my 25-year-old sister is asking when we plan to marry, if we'll get engaged or just secretly elope instead.

"Why do you ask?" I said to her yesterday on the phone when she brought it up again.

"I just want you to be happy," she answered.

"I am happy," I replied and resisted the urge to ask her why she thinks marriage, of all things, could make me any happier. Kick-ass boots for fall, a trip to the South of France, calorie-free fudge brownies -- these things would all make me happier. But marriage? Meh.

It's not that I'm anti-marriage, or even that I'm opposed to getting married myself. There are plenty of great reasons to tie the knot, but it's not something I think necessarily makes couples happier. I love my boyfriend and I'm committed to him and I know he's committed to me and since I moved in with him a year ago, we've enjoyed making a home -- and life -- together -- one I'm pretty sure will last a very long time. But the reasons I'm not in a rush to make our commitment legal, to take vows in front of friends and family to love each other in sickness and in health til death do us part, isn't because I'm afraid, or because I'm unconvinced we're right for each other -- it's because I like savoring exactly where we are right now.

My family, on the other hand, would like nothing more than for us to savor the next step (and the step after and the step after that). My grandmother reminds me every time I see her that already in my early 30s, I'm no spring chicken anymore. And though I'm more than aware of the passing of time and my ticking biological clock, it's not something I think is going to explode at some unspecified time in the very near future. And I know just as soon as we get married and have assured no babies will be born out of wedlock, the next big question will be, "So when are you guys gonna have kids? Come on, you're married now, it's time."

But I want to savor the right now. I want to savor this time we'll never get back when it's just the two of us and we're still young and we have so much to look forward to and we can take off at a moment's notice for a long weekend away, go on a 3-week trip to China, or spend an entire weekend inside, watching DVDs and ordering Thai take-out. Maybe waiting on marriage is our way of preserving all this just a little bit longer -- of putting off the inevitable hurdles and responsibilities that every married couple faces until we've sucked the last drop of marrow from this fabulous phase of our lives.

And maybe when my sister says that she just wants me to be happy, what she really means is she wants it to be official. I can appreciate that, and I can certainly love her and the rest of my family for only wanting the best for me. But I want them to know is it is official: I'm happy, and no piece of paper is going to make me more so.

If they want to buy me an awesome pair of boots or fly me to the South of France, though, I'd totally be all over that.

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And yet....
Posted by: Elmcorners on Sep 29, 2008 2:13 AM   
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My wife and I had long conversations about relationship and what we wanted and even whether marriage was important or not. We had everything else we wanted. And yet, one day, I thought, "If I can't trust this woman, what am I doing here?" and it was then that I realized the one thing that was missing was the commitment and promise of marriage.

Having said that, we could have continued as we were and it would have been good. I must say, though, that the marriage made it complete for us, mostly, I think, because it was a choice and an acknowledgment of what we had, not an obligation to society or our families or community.

We also had the advantage of being in our fifties and brought considerable life experience with us. Now we're in our mid-sixties and we still hold hands, share the paper, laugh a lot, and I never thought I could be this happy.

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» snakes an eels Posted by: Dboy
impermanence
Posted by: toddcory on Sep 29, 2008 6:44 AM   
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I never thought marriage was that important either and then after two years of living together my wife and I got married. 8 years later she asked for a divorce.

Marriage caused me to feel there was some sense of "security" in the deeper level of commitment I thought we shared - yet I now see the level of commitment comes in every minute of every day, not in some legal/religious ceremony.

Would I do it over again? Nope. Everything is impermanent, even marriage and relationships. Marriage can easily lead one to the false perspective that impermanence does not apply. I'd rather be in the present moment with a partner... not that this cannot be done in a marriage too, but I think it is an easy trap for a married couple to fall into.

my .02

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» RE: impermanence Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: impermanence Posted by: wal55
» RE: impermanence Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
Never been.. probably never will...
Posted by: SJCopening on Sep 29, 2008 7:20 AM   
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I have never been married... I'm turning 50 this week. I've had plenty of opportunities, maybe I have never been committed enough, maybe I am just too close an observer of human nature.

I think that marriage is great for some people. I think it is totally unnecessary for others.

From a practical standpoint, one should insure that all "ducks are in a row" legally speaking and issues such as health care decisions, property and financial sharing/division are addressed, in writing, by both parties.

If a couple is going to build a life together they should go into it with an exit strategy (whether they are married or not).

Let me tell you about a couple I know. They keep a notebook in a kitchen drawer with a running list of items they have purchased together and who gets that item, should they split up. Anything that has sentimental value or that is worth more than $50 is listed, unless it is obviously personal, like clothing or sports equipment. They also keep separate bank accounts and a joint one for the household. Decisions were made before they got pets, and before they had their first child, as to what "custody arrangements" would be taken if there was a split.... including what they agree to if one half moves to a geographically undesirable location. They even have set up a "divorce" fund... where each week they put $50 in a separate account requiring both signatures for withdrawal. This account will be divided 50/50 if they split... to pay for any expenses (alternatively it is designated for their retirement should they reach that milestone together). They joke about all this... but they also say that it is these arrangements that give them the most security for two reasons.

Both feel that "complacency" and taking the relationship for granted is what led to the demise of their previous relationships.

Both love each other enough that, should the relationship not work, they do not want their friendship, or their memories, tarnished with bad feelings and disagreements over "stuff," or decisions that should have been made with cool heads.

I really think that this couples approach, while seemingly unromantic, is actually the most romantic thing two people could do. It also gives the added advantage of reminding both of them, on a regular basis, that nothing is permanent, and that might just keep both of them on their "best behavior."

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It is the economic policies and stoking social fears that have ruined marriages.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 29, 2008 7:34 AM   
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If you're single, you're going to get taxed more and depending on where you live, people will look down upon you as if something is wrong. Interestingly, if a man or woman is divorced, he or she is not persecuted as much as someone who isn't married yet. Also, don't forget that men and women are often under equal pressure to get married especially the older they are.

I will let you know however that in places like India and most Muslim nations where arranged marriages are dominant while love marriages are generally frowned upon, family harassments are even worse. And to make matters worse, parents and relatives are often known to cause marriage failures even if they don't end up in divorce. Some of this is starting to subside though but still, no marriage, love or arranged, is perfect.

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» Prejudice against singles Posted by: socialpsych
» Actually, a married couple Posted by: drmeow
Rebelling against the business end of it...
Posted by: Sherry M. on Sep 29, 2008 7:36 AM   
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...The average wedding costs $35k, I've heard -- and I wonder what the average divorce costs. Both have become big business in these not very United States, and don't get me started on how I feel about big business...

Sherry M.

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going once.. going twice..
Posted by: cyr3n on Sep 29, 2008 9:47 AM   
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My sister who's 6 yrs younger than me, will beat me to the alter.. followed in close succession by my younger cousins.

Somehow according to the family elders, its *my* fault that I'm not 'happily married'.
Last I checked, its still the dude that buys the ring. Having never had more relationships than I can count on on hand (and none under a year).. no man's ever proposed to me or given me a promise ring. As thus, I can justifiably argue that no one's ever loved me. Out of my male friends, there's this "rent don't buy" mentality about dating women that turns my stomach. Overall, there's a great deal of complacency & distrust in long-term relationships ..and it seems like the men will prefer to snatch up a lady who's less intelligent than they are for fear that an equal would sooner leave them if the going gets rough.

For me, the older I get.. the less likely and attractive the institution of marriage looks.

I just get this image of an old spinster in a wedding dress (like in "Great Expectations") being auctioned off on the block. Meh.. I have a few more years left in me before its off to the glue factory. =(

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» RE: going once.. going twice.. Posted by: maxpayne
I'm a man..
Posted by: messedup on Sep 29, 2008 9:56 AM   
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And, I'll never marry. I can't afford it. But, the biggest reason I'll never marry is that I don't need someone around telling me what to do every minute of every day. Women are just to controllling, never happy enough, and they are regressing, into what I don't know. Does society think any less of me?, sure it does, but I know society is sick. It's a me society and I'll take my fair share of the "me". You only got one life to live, may as well enjoy it as you see fit.

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» Mysogyny problems? Posted by: nen
» RE: I'm a man.. Posted by: Dboy
» I'm a woman.. Posted by: DCBeltway
» RE: I'm a man.. Posted by: fork
» Wrong............. Posted by: gellero1
» RE: Wrong............. Posted by: morticia
» RE: Wrong............. Posted by: fork
» LOL Posted by: gellero1
» RE: I'm a man.. Posted by: Dboy
» RE: I'm a man.. Posted by: morticia
» RE: I'm a man.. Posted by: Starfall Deception
» you are THE man ! Posted by: gellero1
Marriage, its not a word it's a sentence
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Sep 29, 2008 4:01 PM   
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I have some seriously mixed feelings about marriage. Having never married I really cannot say I know what it is like. That said my beef with it is that you take these unrealistic vows that most people adhere to that do not allow for growth. Sometimes people just change, and when you say you will love someone until death do you part when you are in your 20s, you are setting yourself up for big trouble. How many here can say they are the same as they were when they were 24? Being in my early forties I can truly say that if I married my last long term girlfriend, it would not have been very mutually satisfying or beneficial. We both have grown and changed too much. Everyone grows and changes at different rates,and that is usually why most marriages break up. the concept of marriage is not rooted in reality..

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» It's a matter of $$$$$$$$ Posted by: gellero1
» RE: Marriage, its not a word it's a sentence Posted by: Starfall Deception
» RE: There is an answer to the problem....... Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» World's Best Fairy Tale Posted by: Dboy
My advice.
Posted by: tap17x on Sep 29, 2008 9:27 PM   
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Tell everyone who has ever mentioned marriage to you never to bring up the subject again, because you're tired of their trying to make you do what might (or might not) be right for them. Another thing: why would you want the state screwing around in your private life? Also, your mother probably has visions of the wedding and the happiness it might bring her. She ain't you and obviously marriage is no guarantee of a longer relationship than otherwise.

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In Sweden, you would be among a significant minority
Posted by: Koondog on Sep 29, 2008 10:30 PM   
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There, unmarried couples who live together are an institution with all rights accorded to married couples. They are called "sambo"s. Sam means "together" and bo means "live." Hence, "live together." Many, many people, young and old live as sambos. Some people get married, some live together but do not. It's up to you and your partner. All the happiness to both of you.
From Dan and his Swedish sambo living here in the U.S.

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My .02
Posted by: PopRox80 on Sep 30, 2008 3:39 AM   
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In my mind, marriage is completely unnecessary (except perhaps for legal purposes) and is just one more tradition handed down by centuries of dead folks that we fall into without ever really asking 'Why?'. Why is it so desired for others by people who aren't even happy with their own marriages?

The same could be said of so many other things, like having children (when it's clearly no longer necessary for humanity's reproductive chances), or spending your life from age 4 to 65 either in school or chained to a career. We're all slaves to decisions and choices other people have made, which is why my boyfriend and I are perfectly happy to live in sin. :-)

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In defense of marriage......
Posted by: rickiey on Sep 30, 2008 6:52 AM   
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I'm not so different from the rest of you. I saw no purpose in getting married, so we lived together for 8 years. Then we got married.

Why? A couple reasons:

1. My wife wanted to take my name. Why? So she would have the same last name as our two kids. Now I know some of you are thinking "well, she could have given them HER last name instead of yours". My response to you on that one is "fuck off, my kids get my name dammit, and you can shove your 'patriarchal society' accusations up your ass".

2. The wedding. She wanted a nice wedding that she could enjoy. I personally blame that on watching too many Disney movies as a child, but it is something she really wanted. So she got it. And it was a good time.

The key is neither of us expected being married to change anything other than the above. We still understand that to keep each other, we still have to keep each other happy.

It is the "marriage as relationship security" mindset that kills marriages, not marriage itself.

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» Bukowski Posted by: Dboy
World's Best Fairy Tale
Posted by: Dboy on Oct 1, 2008 3:06 PM   
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Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl "Will you marry me? " The girl said, "NO!" And the guy lived happily ever after and went fishing and hunting and played around a lot and drank beer and Captain Morgan's w/ Cokes whenever he wanted. The end.

dboy

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