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Rights and Liberties

Sarah Palin's Big Bad Creationism

By Nathan Schneider, AlterNet. Posted September 9, 2008.


People are whispering that McCain's VP pick doesn't believe in evolution. But how much would this really affect policy?
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When John McCain announced his intention to make a freshman -- and female -- Alaska Governor the next vice president on the eve of the Republican convention, the liberal media conspiracy went predictably haywire. The litany of revelations about Sarah Palin only grows as time goes on. And though it has been overshadowed by teenage pregnancies and doctored photographs, one question has got the lattes shaking in a great many progressive hands: is Sarah Palin a creationist?

The Los Angeles Times called her that outright. Newsweek, the Boston Globe, and the New York Times were more cautious, reporting that Palin supports teaching creationism alongside evolution in public schools. But even this isn't quite right. While, in a 2006 gubernatorial debate , she may have declared herself "a proponent of teaching both," she backed down somewhat in a subsequent interview: "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum." All she's asking, it seems, is that students not be suspended for asking a question about God.

Palin went on to say that her father was a science teacher and taught her about "his theories of evolution." When pushed for her own conclusions, she admitted only, "I believe we have a creator." Sorting through her equivocations, creationist organizations like Answers in Genesis and the Discovery Institute are still reluctant to declare her one of their own.

In contrast, both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have made their positions on evolution clear, even while reaching out to religious voters. Clinton is "shocked" by creationism advocates. "One of our gifts from God," she adds, "is the ability to reason." For Obama, "it's a mistake to try to cloud the teaching of science with theories that frankly don't hold up to scientific inquiry."

Palin's maneuvers, in fact, are nothing new for the McCain campaign. As his presidential bid got rolling in '05 and '06, John McCain expressed openness to "intelligent design" theory, a recent phenomenon that dresses creationism in a lab coat. While admitting, "I happen to believe in evolution," he insisted (incorrectly) that many scientists believe intelligent design deserves a fair hearing. While at first suggesting that all positions should be presented, in the same breath he concludes that the most extreme creationism should "probably not" be taught in science class. In 2007, McCain appeared at an event sponsored by the Discovery Institute, the leading cadre promoting intelligent design. Like Palin, he offers only mixed messages.

At the Republican convention, Katie Couric asked Cindy McCain about creationism. She replied, "I think both sides should be taught in schools. I think the more children have a frame of reference and an opportunity to read and know and make better decisions and judgments when they are adults."

What makes Palin seem different are all the videos circulating on YouTube of her thoroughly typical Pentecostal church in Wasilla, Alaska. Raised as she was amidst all that praising, praying, and hellfire-fearing, some worry, she might actually believe this stuff. James Dobson, one of the country's most influential evangelicals, had refused to support John McCain until Palin hit the scene. "If I went into the polling booth today, I would pull the lever for John McCain," he declared days later. Like many social conservatives who were unsure about the GOP ticket, he caught the Palin bug.

On the evolution question, too, Palin's ambiguity reads as sincerity. That kind of doublespeak has been requisite for talking about creationism at least since 1986, when the Supreme Court refused to allow "creation science" in public science classrooms. Soon after, much of the creationist movement recast itself as intelligent design. ID, as it is dubbed, exalts unknowing to a science. Rather than finding explanations for what we see in nature, it fixates on what remains unexplained and speculates on how a higher power might be the cause. Though nearly all its advocates are Christians, many say that in principle their ideas could point to super-intelligent extraterrestrials as much as God the Father.

Agreeing to Disagree

Beyond evolution controversies, ambiguity has been a defining feature of American Christianity recently. Instead of the endless arguments that once gave birth to the country's thousands of splintered denominations, the late twentieth century saw a rallying around the fundamentals of biblical faith that most -- conservatives, at least -- could agree on. Arcane yet once-important questions about the nature of Christ and the status of prophecy gave way to absolute certainties like the need for school prayer and the wretchedness of abortion. When the Republican Party embraced this new voting block, states' rights and libertarian economics became part of the consensus too.


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Nathan Schneider lives in New York City and writes about religion. He blogs at The Row Boat.

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Our lives are Random
Posted by: CAB2 on Sep 9, 2008 8:18 AM   
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So does the writer think that we are all here by chance - that his / her life is a random thing? Apparently that is comforting to some. The science of Macro Evolution is taking big hits lately - micro evolution is doing fine.

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Whaaaat...?
Posted by: warreno on Sep 9, 2008 9:16 AM   
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Clinton is "shocked" by creationism advocates. "One of our gifts from God," she adds, "is the ability to reason."

Is she really so stupid-drunk on Jesus Juice that she can't even see a hint of the irony in that statement?

Palin's ideas about cretin -- um, creationism lie at the heart of a national debate. We can either continue the rationalistic course that we took up in the middle of last century, and continue forward into an enlightened and intelligent future -- or we can capitulate to the demands of the ravingly superstitious.

Let me make this as clear as I can. Religion -- all religion -- is superstition. Those who adhere to religion are fools. It's as silly as fearing black cats or forwarding chain letters.

And we cannot afford to have another cretin in DC who's clearly lost her mind to the Jesus cult. Any concession at all is a full capitulation, the wedge sliding in farther.

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» RE: Whaaaat...? Posted by: sklundy
» Quakers Posted by: Zenobia
» RE: Whaaaat...? Posted by: wileect
» RE: Whaaaat...? Posted by: walldodger1969
» RE: Whaaaat...? Posted by: kungfuma
» RE: Whaaaat...? Posted by: notlikely
Why settle for only science illiteracy?
Posted by: ScottP on Sep 9, 2008 9:25 AM   
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Why should the voters have to settle for someone who is illiterate in just biology (ID) and atmospheric sciences (global warming denial)? Couldn't we have politicians who are fully illiterate, who can't even read the directions on a microwave dinner? Just think what a good buddy that politician would be, and think how good she would make us feel with her off-the-cuff speeches!

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ObamaTravel.org — real grassroots democracy
Posted by: sweetal009 on Sep 9, 2008 9:30 AM   
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I saw this on the blog of Craig’s List founder, Craig Newmark, yesterday and thought it was worth sharing:

"Hey, this is a good example of genuine grassroots democracy:

http://ObamaTravel.org is a platform that connects volunteers who want to travel to a swing state with financial sponsors and swing state host families. It’s sort of a political hybrid of craigslist and Team-in-Training - volunteers post profiles and solicit sponsorship from their family and friends. Sponsors can see their donations in action by following the activities of their volunteers.

... and let's remember that "community organizing" is pure grassroots democracy."

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"BOTH" ??!!
Posted by: Crazy H on Sep 9, 2008 10:04 AM   
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For the past eight years the United States has had a president who said, when asked about evolution, that "both sides ought to be properly taught."

"Both" as in "two"?

Last time I counted, there were approximately 200 practicing religions on the planet. So, okay, we could spend an hour on each one's creation myth. That works out to a little over an hour a day, every day of the school year.

Personally, I think that would do a world of good for our children.

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» RE: "BOTH" ??!! Posted by: sklundy
who bloody cares...
Posted by: Drclaw on Sep 9, 2008 2:36 PM   
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whether she will press creationism in "policy". That's the least of our problems, and picking on this one issue is missing for forest for the trees. Simply put-this prissy pistol packing guv'nor believes:
1) Drilling in Alaska is God's will
2)Occupying a foreign country, causing the death of 100's of thousands, wasting billions of dollars, is God's will
3) Human-induced climate change is a hoax
4) Its OK to teach an unverifiable explanation regarding biological processes along side one of the most well validated scientific principles

Taking a step back, its impossible to avoid the conclusion that we have yest another anti-intellectual, fact-denying, irrational individual who will make policy based on some arcane (and to me, distorted) personal view of the state of the world, and its relationship to an unknown and unverifiable divine plan. We all should know what a disaster that is (see, Bush, George Herbert Walker III).

Are we stupid enough to fall for this again? I hope not, but am beginning to wonder.

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» RE: who bloody cares... Posted by: Crazy H
re: Sarah Palin's Big Bad Creationism
Posted by: jarofclay on Sep 9, 2008 9:51 PM   
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During a debate in 2006, Sarah Palin said evolution and creationism should BOTH be taught in public schools, but after the debate she said in an
interview:

http://dwb.adn.com

(Oct. 27, 2006)

***
In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion
of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up
in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.
======================================================
Teaching Evolution - Is There a Better Way?
http://www.creationmoments.net/articles/article.php?a=21

Should Evolution Be Immune From Critical Analysis?
http://www.rae.org/critanl.html

Teaching Origins in Public Schools
by David Menton
http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/teach.htm
===================================================
David Menton bio:

* Biomedical research technician at Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota in the Department of Dermatology (1960-62)
* Associate Professor of Anatomy at Washington University School of Medicine, St. Louis, Missouri (1966-2000)
* Associate Professor Emeritus of Anatomy at Washington University School of Medicine (July 2000)
===================================================
http://www.rae.org/critanl.html

[snip]

Dr. David N. Menton is a former Associate Professor of Anatomy, Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, now retired. In his September 1995 address ("Evolution: Is a scientific critique possible?") at the Abbey Arts Centre in Abbotsford, British Columbia, Menton commented:

"What I'm suggesting in the classroom is: not teaching creation. What I'm suggesting you consider in the classroom is: teach evolution the way your Minister of Education says you ought to--teach the curriculum the way they say you ought to. I believe in obeying the laws. I didn't come here to tell you to get yourself thrown out of a job or anything like that...Do
what you're asked to do."

"But there isn't anyone that's going to stop you from presenting critical evidence against evolution. No one."

"I eagerly look forward to the first test case in court, where they drag a teacher kicking and screaming into the courts who has done the job they're
supposed to do. They've taught evolution--they've covered the curriculum--they've covered the points in the book--but they also presented scientific evidence that is critical of these evolutionary views--evidence generated by other evolutionists themselves. I'm waiting for the court case when they take that person in the school and say: 'You have no right presenting scientific evidence from evolutionists critical of evolution.'"

"I'll tell you--the approach that is being taken here guarantees one thing...you're guaranteeing this course is going to be boring--you're going to teach evolution as a 'Just So Story'. Anyone with dissenting points of view is going to get crushed. They're either going to go along with the evolutionary paradigm, or be told that they can't speak out; they're not going to win that round, and neither will you. You're going to
bore your kids silly."

[snip]

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tfagan
Posted by: tfagan on Sep 10, 2008 10:18 AM   
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Mr Schneider states that evolution is science and ID is creationism...... Hmmm. Not very original. ID is based on information theory, probability, mathematics, biology and others elements generally used by practitioners of science.

Information theory is based on probability theory and statistics established by Claude E Shannon with a classic paper "A Mathematical Theory of Communication" in 1948.

In essence it states that information comes from a mind and can be conveyed through many mediums. Ex: pen & paper, Toner and paper, electronic bits by computer, etc. Information can be simple & unspecified or complex and specified.

If a monkey began typing on a typewriter the result would be simple unspecified letters that would convey no information. Let us suppose that a person would type a message in English such as " I like vanilla ice cream and it must be cold before I will eat it.." This information would be specific and complex containing 64 letters including spaces. Based on probability this could not have occurred by chance.

Try to imagine dust, wind, rain over a long period of time bringing the elements of paper and ink together. Imagine that the same elements accidentally without direction, create a white paper with the black message in English "I like vanilla ice cream and it must be cold before I will eat it." It is reasonable to assume that most of us would say there is not enough time in the universe for this to occur by accident.

In fact it would be less complex for a Shakespearian play to accidentally be printed on accidentally formed paper then for the information in DNA to be created in a living cell that directs the creation of even the smallest animal on earth. Imagine the information in the DNA that creates a thinking human being from a single cell that is formed by a pleasurable interaction between two adult human beings. That single cell results in the creation of trillions of additional cells each having a duplicate copy of the DNA information found in that first cell.

Compare the above to the data that supports undirected accidental combination of chemical materials that might be combined by inclement weather and a lightning strike.That is the kind of just so stories put out by the followers of the Darwinian religion. The idea that ID is religious does not speak well of you knowledge of ID. I have read a huge volume of literature and have found that the Darwinian proof of Macroevolution is either fraudulent or just so stories made up to sound good. Please take the time to read the real definition of ID instead of repeating false statements like ID is creationism. I must admit articles such as yours are tired and boring. I see them every day by people who are intolerant and fearful that Darwinism will be judged on facts.
tfagan

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» bahhh Posted by: Drclaw
» RE: tfagan Posted by: Freticat
Belief in an active God.........
Posted by: tap17x on Sep 10, 2008 2:20 PM   
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.......can make you think God is telling you what to do, or at least approving it. Isn't the horrible example of G. Fuckin Bush enough to show the idiot voters that a president should apply reason, not superstition, to problems and phenomena? If you believe Christianity, you are capable of believing anything.

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Electric Bill
Posted by: Electric Bill on Sep 10, 2008 3:27 PM   
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The reason creationism shouldn't be taught is that there is no argument for it, at least not one based on science or the scientific method. The bible thumpers can rant and rave all they want, but there is not a shred of scientific evidence that creationism, or a creator for that matter is valid. The idea that you can take two ideas, one proven by science and the other proven by nothing but faith and have a balanced discussion is ridiculous. Creationism is invalid. It's like arguing that the earth is flat. There is no balance to it. People of faith used to understand that science and faith don’t exist on the same plane and shouldn’t bump up against each other but this present class of religious fundamentalists want to undermine science and go back to the dark ages.

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WayneP
Posted by: waynep on Sep 10, 2008 7:36 PM   
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The creationist portion of Palin's religious beliefs are the least of our worries my friends. And I take great exception to the statement that the her church in Wasilla is in the mainstream of Pentecostal belief. It is not. You need to do your own research, because you do not know me from a hole in the wall. Google up Joel's Army and Christian Dominionist and follow a few leads and find out exactly what this growing powerful group believes. (If you saw the documentary Jesus Camp, same folks). Then spend some time following Palin Wasilla Church leads. They end up with the same names in their references. This will scare you more than a good $12 horror movie ticket.

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Religion like that can kill us all
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 10, 2008 9:14 PM   
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Creationism, religion and disbelief in global warming could cause
the EXTINCTION of Homo Sapiens. We have arrived at a time
when only Science can save us. Any belief that interferes with
science is dangerous and DEADLY. Christianity killed the
Vikings on Greenland. We are much too close to the brink
already to tolerate such nonsense as Sarah Palin's beliefs.
Religions, especially anti-science religions like Creationism, ARE
insanity.
I want to move to Mars, leaving Sarah Palin and her type here.
Then if she goes ahead and causes her own extinction, a more
intelligent ape from Mars will eventually re-colonize an earth that
will be uninhabited. The insanity of the many should not prevent
the evolution of the few.
There is no possibility of Sarah Palin being the type who survives
in space because space is a hostile environment. False beliefs will
get you killed very quickly in space. Evolution will happen very
quickly in space. [We are not the "final product" of evolution
because evolution never stops. You don't notice the change
because it happens too slowly.]

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Religion and Collapse
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 10, 2008 9:29 PM   
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In "Collapse, How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed," Jared
Diamond discusses how religion has played a role in the collapse
of many civilizations. Christianity contributed to the collapse of
the Greenland Viking civilization. If the Greenland Vikings had
spent their money on iron to make weapons and tools, they would
have had a better chance of survival. Instead they bought stained
glass windows and religious goods at a time when their sickles
were worn down to the point of looking like box cutters. The
Greenland Vikings stuck to their "Christian" and European values
when the Inuits [Eskimos] could have taught them how to hunt
whales and some kinds of seals. The Greenland Vikings stuck to
their dislike of fish while starving to death. The climate got
colder as well, but the Greenland Vikings could have survived if
they had been willing to give up their old time religion and values.
The Greenland Vikings killed the Inuits [Eskimos] they met when
they should have married into Inuit [Eskimo] society to get the
benefit of the successful Arctic lifestyle and culture of the Inuits
[Eskimos].
The inhabitants of Easter Island destroyed their environment and
caused their civilization to collapse to make more of their statue
gods.
If the Americans continue to choose religion and coal burning
over science and nuclear power, the civilization you are now part
of will collapse when global warming causes the drought in
Atlanta, Georgia, California, Australia, Greece, Turkey, the Sahel,
China and other places to grow to the point that agriculture
collapses.
Religionists will, of course, resist any change in values
regardless of the fact that a change in values is necessary for
survival. This is an issue of the preachers' income. In the end,
the preachers may be eaten, but it is too late by that time.
[Cannibalism has been proven in the case of the fall of Anasazi
civilization in Chaco Canyon. The Anasazi hunted their
neighbors at the end.]

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Religion is a Scam
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 10, 2008 9:44 PM   
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As a sophomore undergraduate student in Physics, your homework in Probability
and Statistics class may include figuring out when the second coming would be
required, assuming that the bible was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when
would the bible be down to 50% true? The popular and professors' answer in
1965 was the year 500. The true answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in
Budapest, Hungary. As an adult, he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he
visited his home town of Budapest. He was unable to communicate with his high
school classmates because the Hungarian language had changed so much. The
correct answer is less than 25 years. The first gospel was not written down until
50 years after the alleged events and then in a different language. The people who
told the story were at about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean
Native Americans before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played
the game called "Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers.
By the Sixth re-telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel
story had to have been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first
time. [Note that whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever
he wanted to. The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text
by reading it. Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion:
There is no truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to
know what "jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or
did.

ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.". Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".

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The Reformation
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 10, 2008 10:01 PM   
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What Science is all about is really quite simply and
elegantly stated in the book: "Science and Immortality" by
Charles B. Paul 1980
University of California Press
The Eloges of the Paris Academy of Sciences (1699-1791)
page 99: "Science is not so much a natural as a moral
philosophy". [Drylabbing [fudging data] will get you fired.]
page 106: Nature isn't just the final authority, Nature is the
Only authority.
Scientists do not vote on what is the truth. There is only
one vote and Nature owns it. We find out what Nature's
vote is by doing Scientific [public and replicable]
experiments. Scientific [public and replicable]
experiments are the only source of truth. This is what
must be taught in science class.
There is a problem: Science is a simple faith in Scientific
experiments and a simple absolute lack of faith in
everything else except math. Science is the ultimate
Protestant Reformation in which Religion is reformed out of
existence. As I remember the Protestant Reformation, it
happened because the invention of printing press enabled
everybody to own and read and interpret the bible. Priests
were no longer necessary when everybody could read the
source of knowledge.
Science takes the next step: Ancient text is not the source
of knowledge when every person can find out the truth by
carefully following a procedure called "Science" for
him/herself. There is another implicit step here. The
implicit step is realizing that ancient people did not have
some source of knowledge that we do not. In fact, we
have enormous knowledge and "The Ancients" did not.
Even people in the middle ages had technology that the
ancients did not, such as crossbows or even longbows.
Yet there are still people who believe that "The Ancients"
knew things that we don't.*
The problem is that you can't say the above in public.
*I find that describing people as old stone age, new stone
age, copper age, iron age, mideval, etc does not work.
What works is describing "The Ancients" as "just a bunch
of wild indians". The description that works is inaccurate
in the details, but it gets the correct message across. It is
understood.
With apologies to stone age native Americans who were
no more stone-age than stone age Europeans or stone age
anybody else.

The other problem is that to be a good citizen of a
technological society, every citizen needs a BS in science,
engineering or math. Without this level of education,
people do great harm to themselves and the world. For
example:
Paranoia about nuclear power because of a lack of
knowledge of background radiation; which leads to burning
so much coal that global warming could lead to the fall of
civilization. But merely having a BS doesn't guarantee that
specific knowledge. And the nuclear industry has
neglected to present its case well.

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Some good books
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 10, 2008 10:14 PM   
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Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
The truth about religion can be found in these books:

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger. Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.

"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." Science is a process, not a religion.

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.

"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?

"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith

"God is not Great; how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens, 2007

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There are more pressing concerns
Posted by: sheena2u on Sep 11, 2008 12:16 AM   
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Although Sarah's ideas about Creationism, religion, speaking in tongues, and prayer are interesting at best, what seems more concerning is her likely misunderstanding about the separation of church and state.

While it is troubling that she preaches that the Iraq war is a mission sent by God, it is even more deeply troubling that she doubts the science about global warming. She also doubts that polar bears are going extinct. She misunderstands (conveniently) the importance of wolves in the wild. She discounts the importance of proceeding with stem cell research. She underestimates and ignores the importance of conservation of our resources, and the necessity (practical and moral) of preserving wildlife. She turns her back on helping animal, plant, and insect species survive through these times of global warming. She believes in "abstinence sex education," and opposes the Fair Pay Act.

It is also deeply concerning that she claims to be a good Christian, yet lets McCain's campaign people speak lies on her behalf, and she engages in them herself. In every way her appointment as V.P. candidate - was a cynical and exploitative one.

In no way does she champion women's rights. She is being used, and the worst way she is being degraded is by being portrayed as a victim. The media and the public must treat her with "deference!" cry McCain's Repubilcan advisors, lobbyists, and spokes people. Deference is not for candidates. It is for kings and queens. If she is ready to serve, she must be ready for criticism, scrutiny, invasion of privacy, comparisons, and by no means does she have any right to expect a free pass by the media!. She called Hillary a whiner for not maning up. Its time she walked her talk. She needs to speak her own words, not the ones Bush speechwriters have drilled her on. Her female-ness is only necessary to get the man elected.

She is against equal pay, choice, sex education, and stem cell research She is a shill for Big Oil. But, Big Oil has peaked. It won't give us anything we need. Even if we had enough oil, and we do not, we would poison ourselves and the planet if we expected to keep squandering it for transportation and polluting our planet with fossil fuels.

We need to move to trains, electric and hybrid vehicles, boats, and clean, renewable energy sources. We have no time for four more years of Bush policies, unending war, and unending lies. We have no more time for a failed economy, and to stand by while our jobs are shipped overseas, and our dollar buys less and less. We have no more time for finding ourselves another four years down the road with no health care, and deeper in debt to China.

The mainstream news has been reporting that Sarah Palin did not ban books, and her family is out of bounds, and she never fired a librarian. Even if she did not do a few things she has been accused of this is hardly fair news reporting because the whole story is - there are still a dozen more wrongs that she has done. She LIED about the bridge to nowhere. There is ample proof of this. That is what the media needs to talk about.

If she was ready to assume a position governing the United States on day one she would speak her mind, not her scripted and spoon-fed words, and she would not be hidden away from the public and the media. Its quite obvious that if she were qualified, she would be giving multiple interviews, and speaking from the heart and her vast expertise and wisdom - instead of speaking a few words by her script. So far she has regurgitated bits and pieces of her snarky, Coulteresque, acceptance speech. Her speech is getting old, and the Republican smear and attack machine has long since been old.

Its time for a change, real change: Obama and Biden. Its time for America to move ahead and not backward. Eight years is enough!

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Check out a book called 'Zen at war'
Posted by: notlikely on Sep 11, 2008 1:22 PM   
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It seems to be rare, but Japanese Buddhism had been coopted by militarism, and lent itself to the justification to conquer Asia for the emperor - as a holy war to spread Zen.

Certainly what the Japanese did in China would count as an attempt at genocide.

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why not?
Posted by: seilnotnilc on Sep 14, 2008 5:22 AM   
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I believe (just kidding) that creationism should be taught the way philosophy is; many questions; few if any, answers. It should include the myths of many cultures and reveal how primitive people tried to figure out, before the scientific age, how we came to be. e.g. In the bible 'let there be light' comes before the creation of the sun and the moon. All it says to me, is that primitive man would see light in the morning before the sun was revealed and believe they were 'created' in that order.

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Why Their Creationism is Damaging
Posted by: laurenaislinn on Sep 14, 2008 8:38 AM   
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The issue of creationism and all it's incarnations is very damaging to the country for several reasons, especially when it is held by the leaders of the country (or any governmental institurion).

1) It fosters the idea that both science and religion are both 'theories'.

2) It nutures the notion that science is a 'matter of opinion for non-sceientists'. (this is curiously the only area in which the press bends over backward to provide 'equal time' for opinions, yet the opinions of science and nonscience are NOT equal--they're not even About the Same thing!)

3) It promotes that the above attitudes should be a basis for teaching 'both sides' in high school, when it's already suspect that Anyone in high school recieves a a comprehensive, correct version of evolutionary theory in the first place! (if only for lack of time in the best cases).

4) the aboves keeps the general public ignorant of the entire fields of biology and Geology (Earth History), both of which Do have bearings on important social and political questions and decisions.

5) It allows elected representatives such as Sen Brownback and Rick Santorum to be allowed to represent The 'Best Interests' of their constituents, when they in fact have, in Brownback's case at least, only a high school education and in most ALL cases an outmoded and misinformed educational background in this field. (Few but some of those that follow technical popular science literature as ametures and professionals in paleontology and evolutionary biology (including genetics) Actaually Understand what the theory Does (and DOESN'T) say.)

6) Leaders w/ srong beliefs in creationism use IT as the Actual basis from which to claim that "all rights (and morals) are God-given". The rest of their agenda follows from this.

7) Misunderstanding and deliberate disrespect and distortion of science in this arena leads to the interferrence of gvernment in science education and Practice (dispensing of grant monies-or not (what will and will not be studied in basic and applied science), hiring and firing of scientists, pressure to distort data and conclusions into lies, editing of scientific conclusions for public consumption (by those such as the youngster in charge of public announcements at NASA), ad outright lies over the entire range of science as suited to their Religious and Conservative agenda.
Most public are unaware that the majority of scientists are Conservative & skeptical by nature--Not, as claimed, part of a 'liberal humanisr conspiracy'.
And
8) On the world stage we appears, in yet Another way, Absolutely Foolish, to the rest of the world--especially 'developed' countries.

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