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Amy Goodman: Why We Were Falsely Arrested
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The Democratic and Republican national conventions have become very expensive and protracted acts of political theater, essentially four-day-long advertisements for the major presidential candidates. Outside the fences, they have become major gatherings for grass-roots movements -- for people to come, amidst the banners, bunting, flags and confetti, to express the rights enumerated in the Constitution’s First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Behind all the patriotic hyperbole that accompanies the conventions, and the thousands of journalists and media workers who arrive to cover the staged events, there are serious violations of the basic right of freedom of the press. Here on the streets of St. Paul, the press is free to report on the official proceedings of the RNC, but not to report on the police violence and mass arrests directed at those who have come to petition their government, to protest.
It was Labor Day, and there was an anti-war march, with a huge turnout, with local families, students, veterans and people from around the country gathered to oppose the war. The protesters greatly outnumbered the Republican delegates.
There was a positive, festive feeling, coupled with a growing anxiety about the course that Hurricane Gustav was taking, and whether New Orleans would be devastated anew. Later in the day, there was a splinter march. The police -- clad in full body armor, with helmets, face shields, batons and canisters of pepper spray -- charged. They forced marchers, onlookers and working journalists into a nearby parking lot, then surrounded the people and began handcuffing them.
Nicole was videotaping. Her tape of her own violent arrest is chilling. Police in riot gear charged her, yelling, “Get down on your face.” You hear her voice, clearly and repeatedly announcing “Press! Press! Where are we supposed to go?” She was trapped between parked cars. The camera drops to the pavement amidst Nicole’s screams of pain. Her face was smashed into the pavement, and she was bleeding from the nose, with the heavy officer with a boot or knee on her back. Another officer was pulling on her leg. Sharif was thrown up against the wall and kicked in the chest, and he was bleeding from his arm.
I was at the Xcel Center on the convention floor, interviewing delegates. I had just made it to the Minnesota delegation when I got a call on my cell phone with news that Sharif and Nicole were being bloody arrested, in every sense. Filmmaker Rick Rowley of Big Noise Films and I raced on foot to the scene. Out of breath, we arrived at the parking lot. I went up to the line of riot police and asked to speak to a commanding officer, saying that they had arrested accredited journalists.
Within seconds, they grabbed me, pulled me behind the police line and forcibly twisted my arms behind my back and handcuffed me, the rigid plastic cuffs digging into my wrists. I saw Sharif, his arm bloody, his credentials hanging from his neck. I repeated we were accredited journalists, whereupon a Secret Service agent came over and ripped my convention credential from my neck. I was taken to the St. Paul police garage where cages were set up for protesters. I was charged with obstruction of a peace officer. Nicole and Sharif were taken to jail, facing riot charges.
The attack on and arrest of me and the “Democracy Now!” producers was not an isolated event. A video group called I-Witness Video was raided two days earlier. Another video documentary group, the Glass Bead Collective, was detained, with its computers and video cameras confiscated. On Wednesday, I-Witness Video was again raided, forced out of its office location. When I asked St. Paul Police Chief John Harrington how reporters are to operate in this atmosphere, he suggested, “By embedding reporters in our mobile field force.”
On Monday night, hours after we were arrested, after much public outcry, Nicole, Sharif and I were released. That was our Labor Day. It’s all in a day’s work.
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Posted by: Elmowilcox on Sep 5, 2008 12:40 AM
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Here, the police wait around every year for Austin's version of Mardis Gras. Even Austin, the liberal capital of Texas, gets to witness peaceful(though often admittedly intoxicated, but what's a party like Mardis Gras for?) people that pay for all the riot gear to begin with get beaten and sprayed, slammed against walls, intimidated with various displays of force involving motorcades and horses, and arrested en masse; when all they wanted to do was have fun and spend their thousands and millions of dollars supporting the local economy legally. Their time would be better served in patrol cars going after the idiots that leave drunk, but they get to do that every night on 6th Street, that's no fun.
The point is, you put amped up, authority drunk, riotgear clad police that love beatin on some "hippies" in a crowd full of, well, Americans, and it's a recipe for injustice via police brutality. Remove the police to the outskirts of the event and have them perform actual "crowd control" rather than forceful intimidation, as in, arrest people that are committing arrestable offenses in their view, and things would be different.
But what I'm getting at is that 9 out of 10 cops drive around all year pulling people over for traffic offenses, which is a miserable existence. Give them an event to "police" and they will find people that need policing. It's the equivalent of giving a child a bag of fireworks and asking them to hold onto them until the 4th...they'll find something to celebrate and probably cause a housefire.
Another way to put it, ever had your parent tell you "I'll give you something to cry about"? Riot police on "crowd control" as they like to call it...will give you something to get your ass kicked and arrested for. They live for it.
I've always said that the police have no real interest in there ever existing a crime-free world, what would they do? They aren't really that damn interested in your safety, you're as likely to die driving 70(the speed limit) as your are at 80 or 90. It would be like General Motors actually making a vehicle that didn't break down, who would they sell parts to then?
The police want to sell people a foot in the ass.
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Posted by: Sunnydayz on Sep 5, 2008 12:48 AM
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I have always found it rather odd that everyone credits our "freedoms" to the soldiers. The truth is that our freedoms and democratic systems are obtained by journalists and activists.
Soldiers may protect from outside threats, but the real threat to freedom and democracy is a threat that comes from INSIDE.
Freedom and demcracy are not concepts that you win and own, they are living and need to be maintained. The troops who do this work are the activists, protestors and journalists (like those in Democracy Now!). They are the front line and we should support them and not glance and then look away when they are attacked like this.
This is a clear indication that our front lines have been attacked and we should read it as the attack signal that it is.
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Posted by: lclark on Sep 5, 2008 12:51 AM
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A perfect example was during McCain's acceptance speech. Several people were in the aisles raising the peace sign. As they were dragged away the crowds broke into "USA,YSA". Then McCain said: "Let's not be diverted by the static or the background noise" and "People want us to stop yelling at each other."
And just how does the elite create that appear ance? By introducing 'Free Speech Zones' where oppostion is contained and removed from public view. By endlessly going on about irrelevent analysis of campaign strategy and not discussing issues in substance.
It is rather the elite in both parties don't want to be bothered by citizens protesting what is being done to them.
What did the police tell the author how they should cover the demostrations...by 'embedding' themselves with the police like the news was 'embedded' with the invading troops in Iraq. Only government condoned (managed)news is allowed to function.
It is simply apparant that we've been undone as a free society. Slick produced candidate videos invoking all the mirage images of freedom replace a real examination of the candidates or the real state of this nation.
McCain worked the Ariizons state legislature to have people's homes lowered in value in Arizona along the NAFTA superhighway. Obama wants a huge tax burden added to redistribute wealth from the largest debtor nation to the rest of the planet....oh, and lets not record who votes how.
The Ministry of Truth is established; the Ministry of Love is being built. George Orwell was a visionary.
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Posted by: phindrup on Sep 5, 2008 1:01 AM
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Sydney hosted the APEC September 2007 and the Premier of our State, New South Wales, went along with the Howard governments (federal) idea of ‘security’. Fences, dogs, para military armed bods everywhere, no go areas and a warning that anyone arrested could spend the week in custody.
Really nice people! Anyway yesterday the chief thug of the premier was tossed out of his cabinet position. This morning the Premier was tossed out by the party. Now if we can only get the Police commissioner, we will not have too badly!
Howard, the Prime minister at the time was tossed out last election — lost his seat and his party lost government.
Not suggesting that things are rosy, too much to be done, too much to roll back after 1100 years under the heal of the oppressors! ( Some say it was only eleven years, but nobody could do so much damage in just eleven years!)
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Posted by: ronniejw on Sep 5, 2008 2:27 AM
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Neither the Democrats nor Republicans will ever change anything. They are both fascist and are mere puppets for corporations. The most we can expect from Obama is a few scraps and from McCain more of the same.
The left is calling for Bush to be charged with murder for the war in Iraq. What is the left going to do when Obama does not remove our troops from that illegal war or sends more troops, as he has already promised, to Afghanistan, another illegal war? Call for him to be charged as well? No. They are going to say that at least it’s better then when Bush was in office. NOTHING WILL CHANGE!
And don’t hold your breath waiting for the people of America to rise up and make any meaningful changes either. Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant, selfish, greedy, bastards.
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Posted by: disc golf on Sep 5, 2008 4:27 AM
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Wake up Americans! Your freedoms are being stolen from you. It is not, in my opinion, about riot-gear wearing police officers needing to do what they've practiced for. The fact that Minneapolis negotiated an insurance policy in which the first $10 million was paid by the RNC tells us that they didn't WANT fair behavior by the police! If we live in a terrorist state (bullshit really!), we better have our police act like we live in such a state.
Sure, we need to be afraid...VERY afraid, but I'm afraid the fear needs to be directed at our very own government and sadly, today that is our own police. Cops in plain clothes gear ADMIRING "democracy in action", would have been the appropriate choice.
So many of us are absolutely ashamed at how Amy, her friends (AND the other 325 people arrested) were treated. And the minimal press coverage of these abuses--both of the police and of the "system" into which they've been thrust--provides further evidence of our slide to fascism.
Call Mayor R.T. Rybak at 612-673-2100 and let him know you do NOT appreciate how protesters, journalists and others were treated! Arrested for the "Crime" of walking down the street? Having your office destroyed by the police because you're organizing peaceful protests (citizens against poverty or something like that), It's bad enough they were forced BLOCKS away from the convention center (just like the DNC in Denver) but to not even be able to peacefully assemble? Call your local TV station as well. This should be news, although we know the corporate-controlled media has totally ignored this story.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Sep 5, 2008 4:38 AM
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Think about what hate radio, the RNC's hate books, and the republican hate tanks have done. They stirred up the killings in the Unitarian church: two dead and 4 wounded. The assasination of the chairman of the Arkansas democratic party, was undoubtedly politically motivated. The killer was conveniently killed. McCain says, "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran". The right has been quiet about the right wing killings and bombing of abortion clinics by their followers. They did in fact incite this violence. Timothy McVeigh was self admittedly a student of the various venues of right wing propaganda. His Oklahoma City bombing was a direct product of the incitment to violence by the right. He killed 160.
Republicans are killers. You were lucky to get away with your life in Minnesota. A person might also consider the number of Iraqi civilians killed. The smallest estimates are the hundreds of thousands to well in exess of a million. All of this was done for the right to drill 11,000 shallow oil wells. Then they have the nerve to execute a Mafia enforcer. As a people the citizens of the U. S. have a high tolerance for hypocrisy.
Remember, when your enemy falsely accuses you there was something on his mind that caused him to think of the false accusation. He was/is guilty of what he just accused you of. It is equal to a public admission of guilt. If he was keeping his actions a secret, he has let the cat out of the bag. You now know where to go to hunt to build his prosecution.
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Posted by: godsbreath64 on Sep 5, 2008 5:23 AM
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The constsustional america is only a chapter in US history.
Go timelines!!!!!
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Posted by: pats2827 on Sep 5, 2008 5:45 AM
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This is a picture we have seen over and over again during the past 8 years; and I wonder how long we will allow it to go on.
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Posted by: GrannyBgood on Sep 5, 2008 5:45 AM
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I try to point this out to those who think they are voting their "Principles" above party when they plan to vote Nader or another third party.
(Do your homework, get IRV; do it BETWEEN elections!)
This is NOT the time! It's a matter purely of SURVIVAL this time.
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Posted by: warrior woman on Sep 5, 2008 7:03 AM
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You know what this means don't you? I've had goosebumps all week.
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Sep 5, 2008 7:04 AM
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I think what we have to watch out for is that their higher ups are trying for exactly that reaction. That would give them the pretext to clamp down even harder, or at least try to. What they don't seem to grasp is that in this country there are only probably 15-20 million law enforcement of all stripes but 300 million armed citizens. When the police go too far and end up with their asses in a crack there won't be anyone to bail them out. The federal government is not allowed to use troops within our borders and the reserve and national guard are not going to fight their own people and families.
Very dangerous, very slippery slope. Also, another good reason to vote Democrat this year as we do not hear about these actions at Democratic conventions, that I know of anyway.
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Posted by: madmac10 on Sep 5, 2008 8:06 AM
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If I am wrong, I would surely appreciate being corrected.
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Posted by: Rathan47 on Sep 5, 2008 8:26 AM
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And if you believe that this will suddenly change if the Democratic Party is elected in Nov, think again. The control that was gained, the power that the government now has, will be hard to let go of. Liberties lost are not easily regained, except through upheaval.
My gut feeling is that things are going to get worse before they get better, because there are not nearly enough people upset about these things. Most people just ignore it all and go about their day because it doesn't affect them.
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Posted by: LiveFree on Sep 5, 2008 8:39 AM
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We are at a true crossroads in American history. What will American voters choose in November?
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 5, 2008 8:50 AM
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Truth, and justice are given short shrift, and under this administration they have taken it to a whole new realm! It is the police state that we citizens need to guard against!
McShame was partially correct - they came to Washington and became drunk on the power! So much so that they do not want to relinquish it! The time is now to stop this intrusion upon our rights, our government by corrupt incompetent thugs!
Huxley was 20 years off, but he predicted correctly! These people are off the chart and there is no telling what a 3rd term of Bushco will bring to these shores! As someone that continues to tout his POW service to this country - he more than others should realize that war is hell, and should give pause before continuing this disastrous course or starting another! He more than anyone should understand that torture doesn't yield the truth - as someone that signed whatever was put in front of him as a POW - he should remember those lessons. And yet, he continues to parrot the party line WAR, WAR, WAR! No, this man is not ready to be President of this country! Because that is NOT HOW A PATRIOT ACTS!!
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Posted by: BCcovers on Sep 5, 2008 10:13 AM
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With that being said people have to be reticent of the consequences of exercising your free speech amognst violent individuals who openly advocate the overthrow of western society and our government. These are not the majority of activists and no journalists are counted amount these individuals, but they exist and inflict often times meaningless violence on both private interests, public interests, and even individuals.
And that's the paradox here, it's a fine line between pushing these people back and roughing them up a bit in order to prevent a situaiton where there would be NO choice but to open fire and on total free speech. Free speech is no longer free speech the minute someone picks up a weapon, breaks a storefront, or throws projectiles; then it is a riot. When this does unfortunately happen the police have to quickly respond so that there will be hopefully no major injuries to either the perpetraitors or innocent activists. And by major I mean bullet wounds....
If things were to get to the point where the "bad seeds" of activists want them to be (and we've all run into these people) where malatov cocktails are thrown and it begins to endanger people's lives, then the police would have to put down the riot through force, causing death and despair.
So Amy and her colleagues were wrongfully imprisoned, I totally agree. But people on this board in general have to stop calling the cops Nazis for acting in ways that actually help to prevent oppression and death. Also a cursory read of history would show you that the nazis were the ones throwing the malotov cocktails and inciting riots and violence against the Democratic government in the 20's. Don't be fooled by violent a-holes at these protests, they are no different then their predecessors. Be safe, excerise your rights, but please keep a head on your shoulders and don't be sucked into a mob mentality by a couple people actually looking to incite a police response.
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Sep 5, 2008 10:43 AM
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Knowing this is going on but not being covered is to know that the "land of the free and the home of the brave" is a cruel facade.
I do not believe the neocons are going to give up power just because there is an election where their support is in the toilet.
"It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes." Joseph Stalin
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Posted by: Tyrus95 on Sep 5, 2008 10:43 AM
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This was The Story!
Inside the convention hall, Sarah Palin ridicules Obama for wanting to use diplomacy first? Ridicule for wanting to protect civil rights?
Anonymous riot police used to intimidate and stifle dissent? McCain & Palin move us closer and closer to fascism.
The kind of freedom Bush/McCain/Palin are so keen to export is just a cover for Corporate Profit and control of the international markets.
"Wake up America!" Don't let this happen. We need our loyal opposition and a free press to protect our democracy. "Wake up America! Wake up America! Wake up America!"
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Posted by: writerman on Sep 5, 2008 12:36 PM
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Seen from an historical perspective, it seems as if it's going to be incredibly difficult to stop this drift or rush towards a police state. I keep trying to find an historical prescedent and I keep failing! That's pessimistic evaluation and if any country can prove me and history wrong, I'd put my money on the United States every time, but it's going to be touch and go.
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Posted by: wormfarmer on Sep 5, 2008 1:03 PM
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Vote Sanity, Vote Nader.
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Posted by: willd4change on Sep 5, 2008 1:26 PM
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not only the first ammendment but the 4th as well is abolished. That is only the tip of the iceburg and if allowed it will get worse. please keep up the good work Amy.
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Sep 5, 2008 1:57 PM
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No wonder other nations don't pay any attention to us any more. We have placed America in the position of the pot calling the kettle black.
We are not to be trusted any longer. The GOP did this to us under the leadership of Bush and Cheney.
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Posted by: cherylholmes on Sep 5, 2008 2:33 PM
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You people who don't get this need to go back and read ALL of the Patriot ACT closely. You should be really pissed off at the Rethugs for shredding and pissing on our Constitution, but no, people still love these friggin bastards.
Get used to it...you have no civil or other rights, so don't bitch...they're gone. Some of those bitching wanted this in the name of fighting the terrorists aka imaginary boogeyman. They voted these bastards into office. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. I despise them for forcing all this shit on the rest of us!
It's only going to get worse as we move into a state of martial law. There's no stopping all of it now because we allowed it to happen to us by our silent compliance.
Get used to being spied on for everything you say and do..everything you say and do on the net and in your private lives too because your friends are being urged..soon become the law to report you for what you say and do..welcome back Alien and Sedition Act!
I heard through the grapevine there were 5000 protesters the day Am,y was arrested..even tho the media reported 150 people only. From the video I saw I could see it was THOUSANDS! The media is under reporting that too by order of the Fuhrer.
Then the media reports hundreds arrested...so how do you get hundreds arrested when you only reported 150 people protesting?
I also wonder how the hell they came up with so many people to attend their bullshit convention in Mn. Did they pay people to show up like they have in the past?
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Posted by: BigElectricCat on Sep 5, 2008 2:32 PM
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Every "pundit" and commentator that defended Miller should be emailed and called constantly until they can explain why they are not up in arms about Amy Goodman and others.
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Posted by: socrates2 on Sep 5, 2008 7:40 PM
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So by "police decree" the streets of Saint Paul are no longer available to exercise our freedom of assembly, of the press, and public participation.
In order to report events on the streets of St. Paul the good chief expected (nay, ordered!) reporters "to embed in his mobile field force" or suffer the consequences. As if our streets were a war zone! What babbling insanity.
Big Brother is not just watching. Big Brother has arrived and he wields a mighty stick.
Where is the "liberal" media when you really need it?
The chief should be fired, those who empowered him recalled, and a new slate of enlightened citizens elected. Jefferson spins in his grave.
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Posted by: barry j, miami on Sep 6, 2008 1:25 AM
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the current governments of Russia and China. We are living in
a totalitarian state run by Bush, Cheney, Rove and Baker. And we
are in a state of denial and collective ignorance regarding it.
At what point do we recognize this and bring it out into public discussion?
All of the people who left the Bush administration
early on saw this and bailed out to avoid eventually being charged
with war crimes.
Our government's actions to inforce its will are no different
from Putin's KGB tactics and Bejing's autocratic control of one billion people.
It is time for those of us who see and understand this
to speak out and tell it the way it is.
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Posted by: Paxmana1 on Sep 7, 2008 12:27 PM
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America is reaping what it has sown in the rest of the world for the past 100 years .. unrivaled bestiality .. there is not a single war crime that America has not initiated .. atomic bombs .. AIDS and HIV .. spraying deformity producing chemical poisons .. depleted uranium .. interfering in other nations to bring down their governments .. the genocide of the Palestinians .. the application of weapons of mass economic destruction on defenseless third world nations.
Mentally,morally and economically bankrupt .. a globally unrivaled US prison population .. millions homeless .. millions without health insurance and Israel gets sleek and fat.
The USA and the UK are Israeli satraps .. how did that happen?
Well its too late now .. welcome to Zionist Mega Death.
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No one cares.
No one will act.
Take our jobs--there are a handful of manufacturing jobs left.
Shift more wealth upwards--you can still justify it as "economic stimulus". We'll pretend not to notice once again.
Pass more oppressive laws--no one notices, and those that do are too tired from job hunting or working two or three crappy part-time jobs to really do anything.
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Posted by: ranger1 on Sep 9, 2008 12:08 PM
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Equal protection under law, right to petition, to assemble to free association are of We the People. Since when do these companies call the shots and force our own governments and two party system to work against us? Will you wait again until they use military force?
It's time for select modern Boston Tea Parties of their wares. You know who they are from the parties they held at which the media were shut out of at both the Republican and Democratic Conventions that were covered on You Tube.
Teamsters refuse to unload or move their products. Shippers accidentally warehouse their stuff and lose it in misshipment. Clerks backstock it till it's useless to sell. Teachers refuse to use their "free" literature in your school classrooms. Police be sick when you are next asked to commit crimes against your own citizens.
All of us also must refuse to support candidates with either time or money that don't or won't deny the use of corporate money and honor the call to revoke corporate personhood at all levels of governance.
George Robert Twelvetrees Hewes knew corporate tyranny when he saw it before the Boston Tea Party...when will you realize that the times have set upon us a similar situation times thousands and take up the cause?
It's time for a modern day equivalent of non-violent tar and feathering of all Captains of Industry that dare to support and inflict this oppression on the modern day patriots who understand the threat of the economic royalists and their new hired political aristocracy. Call them on their lies from every streetcorner, every venue and level of government at which you still have a right to petition. Shine the light of freedom on these cockroaches.
And last, continue to support a free and open internet, give money and make out portions of your will to those that expose the truth such as Mother Jones Investigative Reports, Amy Goodman, Information Clearing House, Alternet, Truthout, TV News Lies and those that give their life energy to daily report such as Mike Malloy, Randy Rhodes of Nova M Radio and Thom Hartmann thru support of the White Rose Society for they are our modern day pamphleteers.
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Posted by: Stellablue72 on Sep 21, 2008 11:25 PM
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there is no liberty in this country...there is no freedom and NOTHING is free
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Posted by: frank69 on Sep 22, 2008 8:00 PM
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Not sure of the spelling, but read what he said about life in Nazi Germany.
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Posted by: Elmowilcox on Sep 5, 2008 12:40 AM
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Here, the police wait around every year for Austin's version of Mardis Gras. Even Austin, the liberal capital of Texas, gets to witness peaceful(though often admittedly intoxicated, but what's a party like Mardis Gras for?) people that pay for all the riot gear to begin with get beaten and sprayed, slammed against walls, intimidated with various displays of force involving motorcades and horses, and arrested en masse; when all they wanted to do was have fun and spend their thousands and millions of dollars supporting the local economy legally. Their time would be better served in patrol cars going after the idiots that leave drunk, but they get to do that every night on 6th Street, that's no fun.
The point is, you put amped up, authority drunk, riotgear clad police that love beatin on some "hippies" in a crowd full of, well, Americans, and it's a recipe for injustice via police brutality. Remove the police to the outskirts of the event and have them perform actual "crowd control" rather than forceful intimidation, as in, arrest people that are committing arrestable offenses in their view, and things would be different.
But what I'm getting at is that 9 out of 10 cops drive around all year pulling people over for traffic offenses, which is a miserable existence. Give them an event to "police" and they will find people that need policing. It's the equivalent of giving a child a bag of fireworks and asking them to hold onto them until the 4th...they'll find something to celebrate and probably cause a housefire.
Another way to put it, ever had your parent tell you "I'll give you something to cry about"? Riot police on "crowd control" as they like to call it...will give you something to get your ass kicked and arrested for. They live for it.
I've always said that the police have no real interest in there ever existing a crime-free world, what would they do? They aren't really that damn interested in your safety, you're as likely to die driving 70(the speed limit) as your are at 80 or 90. It would be like General Motors actually making a vehicle that didn't break down, who would they sell parts to then?
The police want to sell people a foot in the ass.
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Posted by: Sunnydayz on Sep 5, 2008 12:48 AM
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I have always found it rather odd that everyone credits our "freedoms" to the soldiers. The truth is that our freedoms and democratic systems are obtained by journalists and activists.
Soldiers may protect from outside threats, but the real threat to freedom and democracy is a threat that comes from INSIDE.
Freedom and demcracy are not concepts that you win and own, they are living and need to be maintained. The troops who do this work are the activists, protestors and journalists (like those in Democracy Now!). They are the front line and we should support them and not glance and then look away when they are attacked like this.
This is a clear indication that our front lines have been attacked and we should read it as the attack signal that it is.
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Posted by: lclark on Sep 5, 2008 12:51 AM
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A perfect example was during McCain's acceptance speech. Several people were in the aisles raising the peace sign. As they were dragged away the crowds broke into "USA,YSA". Then McCain said: "Let's not be diverted by the static or the background noise" and "People want us to stop yelling at each other."
And just how does the elite create that appear ance? By introducing 'Free Speech Zones' where oppostion is contained and removed from public view. By endlessly going on about irrelevent analysis of campaign strategy and not discussing issues in substance.
It is rather the elite in both parties don't want to be bothered by citizens protesting what is being done to them.
What did the police tell the author how they should cover the demostrations...by 'embedding' themselves with the police like the news was 'embedded' with the invading troops in Iraq. Only government condoned (managed)news is allowed to function.
It is simply apparant that we've been undone as a free society. Slick produced candidate videos invoking all the mirage images of freedom replace a real examination of the candidates or the real state of this nation.
McCain worked the Ariizons state legislature to have people's homes lowered in value in Arizona along the NAFTA superhighway. Obama wants a huge tax burden added to redistribute wealth from the largest debtor nation to the rest of the planet....oh, and lets not record who votes how.
The Ministry of Truth is established; the Ministry of Love is being built. George Orwell was a visionary.
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Posted by: phindrup on Sep 5, 2008 1:01 AM
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Sydney hosted the APEC September 2007 and the Premier of our State, New South Wales, went along with the Howard governments (federal) idea of ‘security’. Fences, dogs, para military armed bods everywhere, no go areas and a warning that anyone arrested could spend the week in custody.
Really nice people! Anyway yesterday the chief thug of the premier was tossed out of his cabinet position. This morning the Premier was tossed out by the party. Now if we can only get the Police commissioner, we will not have too badly!
Howard, the Prime minister at the time was tossed out last election — lost his seat and his party lost government.
Not suggesting that things are rosy, too much to be done, too much to roll back after 1100 years under the heal of the oppressors! ( Some say it was only eleven years, but nobody could do so much damage in just eleven years!)
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Posted by: ronniejw on Sep 5, 2008 2:27 AM
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Neither the Democrats nor Republicans will ever change anything. They are both fascist and are mere puppets for corporations. The most we can expect from Obama is a few scraps and from McCain more of the same.
The left is calling for Bush to be charged with murder for the war in Iraq. What is the left going to do when Obama does not remove our troops from that illegal war or sends more troops, as he has already promised, to Afghanistan, another illegal war? Call for him to be charged as well? No. They are going to say that at least it’s better then when Bush was in office. NOTHING WILL CHANGE!
And don’t hold your breath waiting for the people of America to rise up and make any meaningful changes either. Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant, selfish, greedy, bastards.
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Posted by: disc golf on Sep 5, 2008 4:27 AM
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Wake up Americans! Your freedoms are being stolen from you. It is not, in my opinion, about riot-gear wearing police officers needing to do what they've practiced for. The fact that Minneapolis negotiated an insurance policy in which the first $10 million was paid by the RNC tells us that they didn't WANT fair behavior by the police! If we live in a terrorist state (bullshit really!), we better have our police act like we live in such a state.
Sure, we need to be afraid...VERY afraid, but I'm afraid the fear needs to be directed at our very own government and sadly, today that is our own police. Cops in plain clothes gear ADMIRING "democracy in action", would have been the appropriate choice.
So many of us are absolutely ashamed at how Amy, her friends (AND the other 325 people arrested) were treated. And the minimal press coverage of these abuses--both of the police and of the "system" into which they've been thrust--provides further evidence of our slide to fascism.
Call Mayor R.T. Rybak at 612-673-2100 and let him know you do NOT appreciate how protesters, journalists and others were treated! Arrested for the "Crime" of walking down the street? Having your office destroyed by the police because you're organizing peaceful protests (citizens against poverty or something like that), It's bad enough they were forced BLOCKS away from the convention center (just like the DNC in Denver) but to not even be able to peacefully assemble? Call your local TV station as well. This should be news, although we know the corporate-controlled media has totally ignored this story.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Sep 5, 2008 4:38 AM
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Think about what hate radio, the RNC's hate books, and the republican hate tanks have done. They stirred up the killings in the Unitarian church: two dead and 4 wounded. The assasination of the chairman of the Arkansas democratic party, was undoubtedly politically motivated. The killer was conveniently killed. McCain says, "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran". The right has been quiet about the right wing killings and bombing of abortion clinics by their followers. They did in fact incite this violence. Timothy McVeigh was self admittedly a student of the various venues of right wing propaganda. His Oklahoma City bombing was a direct product of the incitment to violence by the right. He killed 160.
Republicans are killers. You were lucky to get away with your life in Minnesota. A person might also consider the number of Iraqi civilians killed. The smallest estimates are the hundreds of thousands to well in exess of a million. All of this was done for the right to drill 11,000 shallow oil wells. Then they have the nerve to execute a Mafia enforcer. As a people the citizens of the U. S. have a high tolerance for hypocrisy.
Remember, when your enemy falsely accuses you there was something on his mind that caused him to think of the false accusation. He was/is guilty of what he just accused you of. It is equal to a public admission of guilt. If he was keeping his actions a secret, he has let the cat out of the bag. You now know where to go to hunt to build his prosecution.
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Posted by: godsbreath64 on Sep 5, 2008 5:23 AM
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The constsustional america is only a chapter in US history.
Go timelines!!!!!
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Posted by: pats2827 on Sep 5, 2008 5:45 AM
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This is a picture we have seen over and over again during the past 8 years; and I wonder how long we will allow it to go on.
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I try to point this out to those who think they are voting their "Principles" above party when they plan to vote Nader or another third party.
(Do your homework, get IRV; do it BETWEEN elections!)
This is NOT the time! It's a matter purely of SURVIVAL this time.
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You know what this means don't you? I've had goosebumps all week.
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Sep 5, 2008 7:04 AM
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I think what we have to watch out for is that their higher ups are trying for exactly that reaction. That would give them the pretext to clamp down even harder, or at least try to. What they don't seem to grasp is that in this country there are only probably 15-20 million law enforcement of all stripes but 300 million armed citizens. When the police go too far and end up with their asses in a crack there won't be anyone to bail them out. The federal government is not allowed to use troops within our borders and the reserve and national guard are not going to fight their own people and families.
Very dangerous, very slippery slope. Also, another good reason to vote Democrat this year as we do not hear about these actions at Democratic conventions, that I know of anyway.
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If I am wrong, I would surely appreciate being corrected.
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Posted by: Rathan47 on Sep 5, 2008 8:26 AM
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And if you believe that this will suddenly change if the Democratic Party is elected in Nov, think again. The control that was gained, the power that the government now has, will be hard to let go of. Liberties lost are not easily regained, except through upheaval.
My gut feeling is that things are going to get worse before they get better, because there are not nearly enough people upset about these things. Most people just ignore it all and go about their day because it doesn't affect them.
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Posted by: LiveFree on Sep 5, 2008 8:39 AM
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We are at a true crossroads in American history. What will American voters choose in November?
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 5, 2008 8:50 AM
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Truth, and justice are given short shrift, and under this administration they have taken it to a whole new realm! It is the police state that we citizens need to guard against!
McShame was partially correct - they came to Washington and became drunk on the power! So much so that they do not want to relinquish it! The time is now to stop this intrusion upon our rights, our government by corrupt incompetent thugs!
Huxley was 20 years off, but he predicted correctly! These people are off the chart and there is no telling what a 3rd term of Bushco will bring to these shores! As someone that continues to tout his POW service to this country - he more than others should realize that war is hell, and should give pause before continuing this disastrous course or starting another! He more than anyone should understand that torture doesn't yield the truth - as someone that signed whatever was put in front of him as a POW - he should remember those lessons. And yet, he continues to parrot the party line WAR, WAR, WAR! No, this man is not ready to be President of this country! Because that is NOT HOW A PATRIOT ACTS!!
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Posted by: cef on Sep 5, 2008 9:02 AM
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Posted by: mgloraine on Sep 5, 2008 9:46 AM
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Sep 5, 2008 9:49 AM
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Posted by: donl51 on Sep 5, 2008 9:51 AM
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Posted by: BCcovers on Sep 5, 2008 10:13 AM
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With that being said people have to be reticent of the consequences of exercising your free speech amognst violent individuals who openly advocate the overthrow of western society and our government. These are not the majority of activists and no journalists are counted amount these individuals, but they exist and inflict often times meaningless violence on both private interests, public interests, and even individuals.
And that's the paradox here, it's a fine line between pushing these people back and roughing them up a bit in order to prevent a situaiton where there would be NO choice but to open fire and on total free speech. Free speech is no longer free speech the minute someone picks up a weapon, breaks a storefront, or throws projectiles; then it is a riot. When this does unfortunately happen the police have to quickly respond so that there will be hopefully no major injuries to either the perpetraitors or innocent activists. And by major I mean bullet wounds....
If things were to get to the point where the "bad seeds" of activists want them to be (and we've all run into these people) where malatov cocktails are thrown and it begins to endanger people's lives, then the police would have to put down the riot through force, causing death and despair.
So Amy and her colleagues were wrongfully imprisoned, I totally agree. But people on this board in general have to stop calling the cops Nazis for acting in ways that actually help to prevent oppression and death. Also a cursory read of history would show you that the nazis were the ones throwing the malotov cocktails and inciting riots and violence against the Democratic government in the 20's. Don't be fooled by violent a-holes at these protests, they are no different then their predecessors. Be safe, excerise your rights, but please keep a head on your shoulders and don't be sucked into a mob mentality by a couple people actually looking to incite a police response.
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Sep 5, 2008 10:43 AM
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Knowing this is going on but not being covered is to know that the "land of the free and the home of the brave" is a cruel facade.
I do not believe the neocons are going to give up power just because there is an election where their support is in the toilet.
"It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes." Joseph Stalin
Luv,
Granny
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!
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Posted by: Tyrus95 on Sep 5, 2008 10:43 AM
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This was The Story!
Inside the convention hall, Sarah Palin ridicules Obama for wanting to use diplomacy first? Ridicule for wanting to protect civil rights?
Anonymous riot police used to intimidate and stifle dissent? McCain & Palin move us closer and closer to fascism.
The kind of freedom Bush/McCain/Palin are so keen to export is just a cover for Corporate Profit and control of the international markets.
"Wake up America!" Don't let this happen. We need our loyal opposition and a free press to protect our democracy. "Wake up America! Wake up America! Wake up America!"
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Posted by: writerman on Sep 5, 2008 12:36 PM
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Seen from an historical perspective, it seems as if it's going to be incredibly difficult to stop this drift or rush towards a police state. I keep trying to find an historical prescedent and I keep failing! That's pessimistic evaluation and if any country can prove me and history wrong, I'd put my money on the United States every time, but it's going to be touch and go.
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Posted by: wormfarmer on Sep 5, 2008 1:03 PM
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Vote Sanity, Vote Nader.
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Posted by: macdon1 on Sep 5, 2008 1:07 PM
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Posted by: willd4change on Sep 5, 2008 1:26 PM
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not only the first ammendment but the 4th as well is abolished. That is only the tip of the iceburg and if allowed it will get worse. please keep up the good work Amy.
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Sep 5, 2008 1:57 PM
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No wonder other nations don't pay any attention to us any more. We have placed America in the position of the pot calling the kettle black.
We are not to be trusted any longer. The GOP did this to us under the leadership of Bush and Cheney.
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Posted by: cherylholmes on Sep 5, 2008 2:33 PM
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You people who don't get this need to go back and read ALL of the Patriot ACT closely. You should be really pissed off at the Rethugs for shredding and pissing on our Constitution, but no, people still love these friggin bastards.
Get used to it...you have no civil or other rights, so don't bitch...they're gone. Some of those bitching wanted this in the name of fighting the terrorists aka imaginary boogeyman. They voted these bastards into office. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. I despise them for forcing all this shit on the rest of us!
It's only going to get worse as we move into a state of martial law. There's no stopping all of it now because we allowed it to happen to us by our silent compliance.
Get used to being spied on for everything you say and do..everything you say and do on the net and in your private lives too because your friends are being urged..soon become the law to report you for what you say and do..welcome back Alien and Sedition Act!
I heard through the grapevine there were 5000 protesters the day Am,y was arrested..even tho the media reported 150 people only. From the video I saw I could see it was THOUSANDS! The media is under reporting that too by order of the Fuhrer.
Then the media reports hundreds arrested...so how do you get hundreds arrested when you only reported 150 people protesting?
I also wonder how the hell they came up with so many people to attend their bullshit convention in Mn. Did they pay people to show up like they have in the past?
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Posted by: BigElectricCat on Sep 5, 2008 2:32 PM
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Every "pundit" and commentator that defended Miller should be emailed and called constantly until they can explain why they are not up in arms about Amy Goodman and others.
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Posted by: socrates2 on Sep 5, 2008 7:40 PM
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So by "police decree" the streets of Saint Paul are no longer available to exercise our freedom of assembly, of the press, and public participation.
In order to report events on the streets of St. Paul the good chief expected (nay, ordered!) reporters "to embed in his mobile field force" or suffer the consequences. As if our streets were a war zone! What babbling insanity.
Big Brother is not just watching. Big Brother has arrived and he wields a mighty stick.
Where is the "liberal" media when you really need it?
The chief should be fired, those who empowered him recalled, and a new slate of enlightened citizens elected. Jefferson spins in his grave.
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Posted by: YERTMark on Sep 5, 2008 7:57 PM
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Posted by: JefffromCA on Sep 5, 2008 8:27 PM
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Posted by: lorijh on Sep 5, 2008 8:39 PM
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Posted by: jc1234 on Sep 5, 2008 9:06 PM
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Posted by: barry j, miami on Sep 6, 2008 1:25 AM
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the current governments of Russia and China. We are living in
a totalitarian state run by Bush, Cheney, Rove and Baker. And we
are in a state of denial and collective ignorance regarding it.
At what point do we recognize this and bring it out into public discussion?
All of the people who left the Bush administration
early on saw this and bailed out to avoid eventually being charged
with war crimes.
Our government's actions to inforce its will are no different
from Putin's KGB tactics and Bejing's autocratic control of one billion people.
It is time for those of us who see and understand this
to speak out and tell it the way it is.
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Posted by: RODNOX on Sep 6, 2008 5:00 AM
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Posted by: whealeydj on Sep 6, 2008 5:55 AM
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Posted by: rideyourbike11 on Sep 6, 2008 9:37 AM
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Posted by: grkjr on Sep 6, 2008 1:55 PM
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Posted by: Paxmana1 on Sep 7, 2008 12:27 PM
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America is reaping what it has sown in the rest of the world for the past 100 years .. unrivaled bestiality .. there is not a single war crime that America has not initiated .. atomic bombs .. AIDS and HIV .. spraying deformity producing chemical poisons .. depleted uranium .. interfering in other nations to bring down their governments .. the genocide of the Palestinians .. the application of weapons of mass economic destruction on defenseless third world nations.
Mentally,morally and economically bankrupt .. a globally unrivaled US prison population .. millions homeless .. millions without health insurance and Israel gets sleek and fat.
The USA and the UK are Israeli satraps .. how did that happen?
Well its too late now .. welcome to Zionist Mega Death.
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Posted by: crashgrab on Sep 7, 2008 3:13 PM
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Posted by: on Sep 9, 2008 9:00 AM
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No one cares.
No one will act.
Take our jobs--there are a handful of manufacturing jobs left.
Shift more wealth upwards--you can still justify it as "economic stimulus". We'll pretend not to notice once again.
Pass more oppressive laws--no one notices, and those that do are too tired from job hunting or working two or three crappy part-time jobs to really do anything.
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Posted by: ranger1 on Sep 9, 2008 12:08 PM
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Equal protection under law, right to petition, to assemble to free association are of We the People. Since when do these companies call the shots and force our own governments and two party system to work against us? Will you wait again until they use military force?
It's time for select modern Boston Tea Parties of their wares. You know who they are from the parties they held at which the media were shut out of at both the Republican and Democratic Conventions that were covered on You Tube.
Teamsters refuse to unload or move their products. Shippers accidentally warehouse their stuff and lose it in misshipment. Clerks backstock it till it's useless to sell. Teachers refuse to use their "free" literature in your school classrooms. Police be sick when you are next asked to commit crimes against your own citizens.
All of us also must refuse to support candidates with either time or money that don't or won't deny the use of corporate money and honor the call to revoke corporate personhood at all levels of governance.
George Robert Twelvetrees Hewes knew corporate tyranny when he saw it before the Boston Tea Party...when will you realize that the times have set upon us a similar situation times thousands and take up the cause?
It's time for a modern day equivalent of non-violent tar and feathering of all Captains of Industry that dare to support and inflict this oppression on the modern day patriots who understand the threat of the economic royalists and their new hired political aristocracy. Call them on their lies from every streetcorner, every venue and level of government at which you still have a right to petition. Shine the light of freedom on these cockroaches.
And last, continue to support a free and open internet, give money and make out portions of your will to those that expose the truth such as Mother Jones Investigative Reports, Amy Goodman, Information Clearing House, Alternet, Truthout, TV News Lies and those that give their life energy to daily report such as Mike Malloy, Randy Rhodes of Nova M Radio and Thom Hartmann thru support of the White Rose Society for they are our modern day pamphleteers.
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Posted by: Stellablue72 on Sep 21, 2008 11:25 PM
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there is no liberty in this country...there is no freedom and NOTHING is free
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Posted by: frank69 on Sep 22, 2008 8:00 PM
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Not sure of the spelling, but read what he said about life in Nazi Germany.
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