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As Unlawful Arrests Continue, St. Paul Feels Like a City Under Siege for Some Residents
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I asked the guy if he lived in St. Paul. "Yeah." It turned out he lives next door, in the building where I've been staying, an artist's co-op on Broadway Street. I was about to ask him what he thought about the scene here when he sort of laughed and said, "Yeah, you know -- I was just arrested."
At around 9:45 that morning, John, 20, was walking home from the bank a few blocks away when he spotted what he thought was a police riot club -- a ubiquitous weapon on the streets here. "It was right off of West 7th Street in, like, a planter; I checked it out but it ended up being a broomstick." He put it down and kept walking, when suddenly he was surrounded by police officers -- "three squad for sure, maybe four" -- one of whom was a woman. "She was like, 'Get on your stomach or I'm gonna tase you!'" He asked them what he had done, but they wouldn't say. Instead, they asked him leading questions about other people they'd just arrested. "They said, 'so, who was in the white van you were associated with?" "I was like, white van? I don't know what you're talking about."
John said he hasn't done any anti-war organizing -- "I'd like to" -- but since the arrival of the RNC and the protesters against it, he has been checking out the scene around town. "Yesterday I was just cruising around. I was in the Funk the War march -- they had this huge Gandhi statue and a globe …" But despite the mostly peaceful protests, when it comes to security, "it's been crazy." He showed me videos he'd taken on his phone while he skated around, lines of cops in riot gear -- "There was a bunch of people getting maced over there" -- and shots of the buses and unmarked minivans the police have used to detain people and take them away.
I asked him if he had been read his rights. "No, they didn't read me my Miranda rights at all. ... They cuffed me, and when I complained to one one guy about the cuffs being too tight, he was like, 'Oh yeah? Well, let me tighten that up for you.'"
While he kept asking why they were arresting him, John did not resist -- "I was really cooperative; I didn't want to be held" -- but he did remember something he had been given at one of the marches. "Finally I pulled this out," he said, showing me a slip of paper that read, "ACLU Important Contact Information." "Yeah, you should hold onto that," one of the cops told him.
"They held me right down over there," he said, pointing north. "It's, like, the St. Paul police station." They confiscated and searched his belongings but forgot his cell phone in his pocket. "They put me in a cell that had snot and blood all over the wall," he told me, pulling out his phone and showing me footage of the stained white walls. He was given no phone call.
John was held there for about 15 minutes before they had him talk to anyone; two plainclothes investigators interrogated him, asking him what he knew about the demonstrations against the RNC, some of which have led to rioting and destruction of property. "They tried to get me to admit to some involvement ... but I told them that I've just met people and been to peaceful marches." Before leading him back to his cell, they gave him a 612 number to call. "They asked me to report anything I knew."
Googling the number later led me to a FBI homepage, Minneapolis division.
After he was questioned, John was put back in his cell. He was never told how long they might hold him. "They didn't even tell me what I was being detained for until they opened the door." I asked him what. "Like, suspicion of planting something ... anything that could be used as a weapon, I guess." There was no documentation.
As we were talking, we saw a caravan of unmarked vans led by a police car pull a U-turn in the middle of the intersection at the corner. One of the cars turned on its siren and they sped off.
By then, a group of neighbors were hanging out near us. John greeted them and said, "I was just arrested." How was it? "Awesome," he laughed. "Best day of my life."
"So, you were picking up sticks?" one guy joked, "What were you thinking?"
"I thought I was free!" John laughed.
I asked him what he was up to now. He said he wanted to go to a concert taking place at the Capitol. Dead Prez was scheduled to perform. At the station, he said, "They told me if I got picked up again that I would probably be locked up for the remainder of the RNC. ... They were like, 'You probably shouldn't go outside, because if the same cops see you they're not gonna be happy.'"
He was dropped off across the street by one of the officers. ("He was nice enough to give me a ride back, so that was cool.")
I asked him if he would be relieved when the RNC was over. "Yeah, most definitely. I wasn't looking forward to it coming. … I feel like I've been profiled since day one." Plus, it's been slow at the Italian restaurant where he works. "At first, at my work, they were like, yeah, this is a good opportunity to get some good business, but instead we're closing early … because most of (the RNC delegates) have rented out places and they get free drinks; they don't really care about supporting local businesses since they don't live here. They don't give a shit."
A woman who also lives in the building next door sat down next to us. "I have to say," she said, "this city I live in has so much egg on its face. I'm embarrassed to say I live here. It's just tragic."
"The vibe's like they came in and took over our whole city," John said. "It's like we don't have rights. Like we don't even live here."
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Posted by: The Old Hippie on Sep 3, 2008 2:39 AM
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Welcome to the America you allowed.
"Those within history see it the least."
Can't say we weren't warned...
“They that can give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
-- Benjamin Franklin
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» Um, I'm Sure That Made You Feel Good, But We ALL Allowed It.
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» Oh let him alone
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» RE: Um, I'm Sure That Made You Feel Good, But We ALL Allowed It.
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» And the ~50% of the public that support the repug party
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» I agree, but
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» Thank You, Thank You, Thank You...
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» You mean they are "just following orders"?
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Posted by: Obama2008Fan on Sep 3, 2008 3:54 AM
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Obama Fan
Reasons for voting against Insane McCain
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» RE: Can you hear it, St. Paul police -- that incredible ROARING SOUND?
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» Good riddance, BlammDaddy, and please don't come back.
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» RE: Can you hear it, St. Paul police -- that incredible ROARING SOUND?
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» Lionheart, please post your comments where they belong -- on a GOP blog.
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» Hugh Scott.....
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» RE: Can you hear it, St. Paul police -- that incredible ROARING SOUND?
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» RE: Can you hear it, St. Paul police -- that incredible ROARING SOUND?
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» RE: Can you hear it, St. Paul police -- that incredible ROARING SOUND?
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Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 3, 2008 4:05 AM
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» McCain: "Constitution: What's that?"
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Posted by: Libsrule on Sep 3, 2008 4:08 AM
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I've been a member (money only) since 1985 thanks to Ronnie Raygun but I'd sure like to know my money is being spent to stop this sort of thing or at least start bringing the cops to court on this transgression of our rights.
This is pure Communist China and Soviet Union tactics. Are ALL the cops that blind to what they are doing?
Or do they all have the mentality that this is a good way to go beat up people and get away with it??
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» RE: The ACLU absent?
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» what are they supposed to do?
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» RE: The ACLU absent?
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» Lionheart, please post your comments on a GOP blog where they belong.
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» Hugh Scott - the "war hero"
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» What's the matter with you?
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» Great retort against GOP troll Lionheart, LMNOP.
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» Hugh Scott....
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Posted by: terradea42 on Sep 3, 2008 4:50 AM
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» Hmm. Good Technique.
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Posted by: lclark on Sep 3, 2008 5:32 AM
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- You no longer have the right of assembly or free speech.
- A 'Free Speech Zone' is an absurdity
- Police are no longer 'Peace Officers' but instruments of an overbearing elite. They are overly outfitted with weapons of force and dressed in black to encourage aggression on their part and intimidation to citizens.
- What was once commonly understood as expressions of civil disobedience has been criminized. Look at the 'Patriot' Act. It defines what was once civil disobediance as 'terrorism'.
- The laws have become burdonsome and are crafted to ensure the protection of the political elite and the corportocracy from responsibility to citizens.
- It sad what has evolved in this country that the managed corporate news proclaims as the place of freedom and democracy while we are further tagged and intimidated by gangsters and bullies that have consolidated power, seen the productive capacity of the country trasferred to a (overt) totalitarian country, and seen propaganda and outright lies used to use the remaining wealth and health ( read depleted uranium) of citizens to attempt a resource grab in other parts of the planet.
Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats will revamp the creation of energy in this country and free us from dependence on corporate con trolled oil...they will keep their hand on the spigot and citizens on a tether. Nor will you see the Democrats rescind the government spying on citizens, the draconian Patriot Act, or the Bankruptcy and credit laws passed to exploit us.
A sad end to the American revolution.
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Posted by: twoten on Sep 3, 2008 5:33 AM
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» TOO LATE TO GET OUT NOW
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» I guess this may be my only opportunity to say..
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Posted by: michellet612 on Sep 3, 2008 5:42 AM
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http://www.vitalsourcemag.com/index.php/blogs/michelle/
It's crazy awful out there.
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Posted by: opmoc on Sep 3, 2008 5:42 AM
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Switching off energy is the one thing that will get people off their arses to protest - because without energy nothing works in our cities - where most people live.
In The UK - even Parking Wardens are being trained to prepare for civil disorder.
You ain't seen nothing yet - and UK police can be even worse than US cops - and have had lots of practice.
It won't make any difference who wins the US elections - if anything the Dems are even keener on switching the energy off.
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» RE: planned mass human depopulation??
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» I see they've already managed to convince you of that via their propaganda campaigns
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» Good post Opmoc. You definitely seem to get it. Powerful people have made it clear...
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Posted by: nc green on Sep 3, 2008 6:50 AM
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And the Heartland laughs, cheers and marks its ballot, "Republican."
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Posted by: rdodell on Sep 3, 2008 8:26 AM
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"commoners" and "serfs" who may threaten their extravagant, luxurious lifestyles. For any who need proof, Incidents at the RNC are solid evidence. Those who witnessed Amy Goodman's report (Democracy Now) will attest that events in Minneapolis/St. Paul make Hitler's 1939 Germany look like a garden party. An apathetic, complacent citizenry has spawned corruption in government, runaway capitalism, and rampant materialism. Edmund Burke declared, "ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR EVIL TO TRIUMPH IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING". Could it be that we are in the process of reaping the bitter crop we have sowed over the past 40 years?
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 3, 2008 8:56 AM
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That is what Yogi really revealed in that statement. When you've seen it before and still do nothing to change the Outcome.
Same definition for Insanity (Or Stupidity)- doing the same behavior over & over and expecting a different result.
The Republican party was conquered decades ago and is still under the same 'Boys' who fucked it up back then.Cheney,Rumsfeld, Wolfie and their cast of accomplices and minions.
We need to not only Make sure Mac does NOT win in Nov...But all these National Traitors , war criminals are convicted of ALL their crimes against Humanity.
want to Watch Corps & Gov't Figures straighten their shit out fast....Punish a few to the fullest extent of the Law.
Industry and Gov't are Tools which are to serve Man (Created BY Man), Not the other way around.
We will not sit back as 'Rome' conquers our People & land, As Marie eats cake and we starve, As Hitler passes Judgemnt on our neighbors Worth, as Cheney Corps Steals and sells OUR country to the Highest Bidder, as another conquest!
Let's Set a Precedence and a Deterent
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» YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT 'HON, BUT YOU WILL FIND THAT BEING RIGHT
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Posted by: siribear on Sep 3, 2008 9:11 AM
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If you just whine about the police state without DOING SOMETHING, you're as guilty of opening the door to repression as anyone else.
Here's what you can do: Call your local media...TV...Newspapers...and DEMAND that they offer coverage of the police riots in St. Paul.
Thank you! -S-
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Posted by: mumblingrepublican on Sep 3, 2008 10:21 AM
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Posted by: itzamirakul on Sep 3, 2008 10:36 AM
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Methinks this brutal behavior is par for the course at Republican events because they are terrified that the greater public will get wind of just how many protesters there are against Republican candidates and their inane policies. Also, their entire platform is based on terror, including the terror they can inflict on their own citizens as they move us more and more toward a unified world government. The Republicans are determined to end all forms of free speech.
It never ceases to amaze me how Republican supporters can ignore this behavior and continue to vote against their own best interests.
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» Bloomie was still using the Julie Annie racist-trained cops here in NYC
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Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand on Sep 3, 2008 11:03 AM
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If you give in to their intimidation tactics, then they will keep doing this. Sign the petition at www.FreePress.net, to pressure them to drop the charges against journalists, for starters. This is a key point. When protesters and bystanders were illegally rounded up during the RNC convention four years ago in New York City, it was the journalists who were there documenting it all who were able to disprove blatant lies by the police that allowed the plaintiffs to win a huge settlement against the city. They are trying to get rid of the journalists for this very reason - let alone that they are stomping all over our constitutional rights to free speech!
See coverage about the protests that is sorely lacking in the main stream media at:
www.DemocracyNow.org
support the organization, reporters without borders: www.rsf.org
Without real freedom of the press, we have no other freedoms.
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 3, 2008 11:16 AM
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Jeff
Whats hiding on your PC?
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» RE: Why hasn't Obama spoken out about this?
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» Lionheart, please comment on a GOP blog where someone might care what you think.
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» Hugh Scott - the "war hero"
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» Lionheart the GOP- Troll
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Posted by: LionHeart on Sep 3, 2008 12:22 PM
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Funny how anti war protestors wouldn't hesitate to injure a cop. Such peaceful people!
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» Bullshit perfectly describes the democratic party
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» Lionheart...you're an idiot!
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Posted by: feduphoosier on Sep 3, 2008 3:46 PM
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Vote for you? Like hell. Can't think of anything less patriotic than voting for fascists.
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Posted by: DonnieBoy on Sep 3, 2008 3:54 PM
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It may be funny in retrospect to be let out of jail knowing you finally got out of that mess without too much fuss, but what the St. Paul police are doing to deny free Americans their basic rights is treasonous. But hey, they have the law on their side, and the law says, "Fuck freedom. The 'haves' are in charge now so back off, or else."
Isn't there anyone who can help us now?
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Posted by: alicelillie on Sep 3, 2008 4:16 PM
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This isn't a free country any more, end of story.
Please see my blog at http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Sep 3, 2008 4:44 PM
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What was he thinking..?
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Posted by: socrates2 on Sep 3, 2008 5:46 PM
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It's called Recall. If everyone of you who lives in St. Paul gathers a couple of thousand signatures you can begin to beat this monstrosity at the grass roots level.
Recall the mayor, the councilpersons who went along with this farce and fire the chief.
It's _your city_ and it's _your taxes_ that pay for every inch of billy club, every molecule of tear gas, and every electron in those tazers. And every drop of fuel in each paddy wagon that rounded up people exercising their Constituonal guaranteed Right to Assemble.
Why should you have no say in when and how they are deployed and by whom?
It's your local government, St. Paulians! What's happening to you?
The cops are just more bureaucrats who need a salary and have mouths to feed. Or, as the joke goes:
Q: How does an American cop say, "I was just following orders."?
A: "Sorry, buddy, just doin' my job..."
And, after that digression: at election time replay videos of the display of dictatorial force against peaceful demonstrators. Exhibit 1, Amy Goodman's arrest.
And, some of the interviewees quoted in this piece will do quite nicely as witnesses.
No political action takes place at a blog site or sitting in front of one's computer and whining about it.
Where were you at the last MoveOn meeting?
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To be sure, there will be factional conflicts among the elite, and a degree of debate will be permitted; but no one outside the privileged circle will be allowed to influence state policy. Dissidents will be marginalized—usually by “the people” themselves. Deprived of historical knowledge by a thoroughly impoverished educational system designed to produce complacent consumers, left ignorant of current events by a corporate media devoted solely to profit, many will internalize the force-fed values of the ruling elite, and act accordingly. There will be little need for overt methods of control.
The rulers will act in secret, for reasons of “national security,” and the people will not be permitted to know what goes on in their name. Actions once unthinkable will be accepted as routine: government by executive fiat, state murder of “enemies” selected by the leader, undeclared wars, torture, mass detentions without charge, the looting of the national treasury, the creation of huge new “security structures” targeted at the populace. In time, this will be seen as “normal,” as the chill of autumn feels normal when summer is gone. It will all seem normal.”
— November 10, 2001
Moscow Times (English Edition)
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once they get the boot this November... theirs will be the loudest voice against this form of fascism and will be blaming the new power elites... for policies they themselves established!
and you wonder why the entire RNC and GOP entire are all so irrelevant these days
US Politics makes me ill
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Posted by: blogbooks on Sep 6, 2008 4:36 PM
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2. Too many of you are anti-gun and anti-second amendment. Although, I am happy to see many of you realizing that "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun", as they say. Maybe you're slowly waking up to reality and understand that you will never change this world through peaceful means.
Shaping reality requires more than a powerful will, it requires powerful action.
3. Most Americans are out of shape cowards. Disorganized and weak. This is one of the most easily controllable civilian populations in the history of human civilization. A bunch of obese, sedentary office drones with diabetes.
4. Give up, it's hopeless. They'll have to literally start massacring us by the tens of thousands before anything changes.
Sadly, that might happen.
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Posted by: The Old Hippie on Sep 3, 2008 2:39 AM
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Welcome to the America you allowed.
"Those within history see it the least."
Can't say we weren't warned...
“They that can give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
-- Benjamin Franklin
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» Oh let him alone
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» And the ~50% of the public that support the repug party
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Obama Fan
Reasons for voting against Insane McCain
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» RE: Can you hear it, St. Paul police -- that incredible ROARING SOUND?
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» Good riddance, BlammDaddy, and please don't come back.
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» Lionheart, please post your comments where they belong -- on a GOP blog.
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» Hugh Scott.....
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I've been a member (money only) since 1985 thanks to Ronnie Raygun but I'd sure like to know my money is being spent to stop this sort of thing or at least start bringing the cops to court on this transgression of our rights.
This is pure Communist China and Soviet Union tactics. Are ALL the cops that blind to what they are doing?
Or do they all have the mentality that this is a good way to go beat up people and get away with it??
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Posted by: lclark on Sep 3, 2008 5:32 AM
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- You no longer have the right of assembly or free speech.
- A 'Free Speech Zone' is an absurdity
- Police are no longer 'Peace Officers' but instruments of an overbearing elite. They are overly outfitted with weapons of force and dressed in black to encourage aggression on their part and intimidation to citizens.
- What was once commonly understood as expressions of civil disobedience has been criminized. Look at the 'Patriot' Act. It defines what was once civil disobediance as 'terrorism'.
- The laws have become burdonsome and are crafted to ensure the protection of the political elite and the corportocracy from responsibility to citizens.
- It sad what has evolved in this country that the managed corporate news proclaims as the place of freedom and democracy while we are further tagged and intimidated by gangsters and bullies that have consolidated power, seen the productive capacity of the country trasferred to a (overt) totalitarian country, and seen propaganda and outright lies used to use the remaining wealth and health ( read depleted uranium) of citizens to attempt a resource grab in other parts of the planet.
Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats will revamp the creation of energy in this country and free us from dependence on corporate con trolled oil...they will keep their hand on the spigot and citizens on a tether. Nor will you see the Democrats rescind the government spying on citizens, the draconian Patriot Act, or the Bankruptcy and credit laws passed to exploit us.
A sad end to the American revolution.
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http://www.vitalsourcemag.com/index.php/blogs/michelle/
It's crazy awful out there.
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Switching off energy is the one thing that will get people off their arses to protest - because without energy nothing works in our cities - where most people live.
In The UK - even Parking Wardens are being trained to prepare for civil disorder.
You ain't seen nothing yet - and UK police can be even worse than US cops - and have had lots of practice.
It won't make any difference who wins the US elections - if anything the Dems are even keener on switching the energy off.
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» I see they've already managed to convince you of that via their propaganda campaigns
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» Good post Opmoc. You definitely seem to get it. Powerful people have made it clear...
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And the Heartland laughs, cheers and marks its ballot, "Republican."
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"commoners" and "serfs" who may threaten their extravagant, luxurious lifestyles. For any who need proof, Incidents at the RNC are solid evidence. Those who witnessed Amy Goodman's report (Democracy Now) will attest that events in Minneapolis/St. Paul make Hitler's 1939 Germany look like a garden party. An apathetic, complacent citizenry has spawned corruption in government, runaway capitalism, and rampant materialism. Edmund Burke declared, "ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR EVIL TO TRIUMPH IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING". Could it be that we are in the process of reaping the bitter crop we have sowed over the past 40 years?
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That is what Yogi really revealed in that statement. When you've seen it before and still do nothing to change the Outcome.
Same definition for Insanity (Or Stupidity)- doing the same behavior over & over and expecting a different result.
The Republican party was conquered decades ago and is still under the same 'Boys' who fucked it up back then.Cheney,Rumsfeld, Wolfie and their cast of accomplices and minions.
We need to not only Make sure Mac does NOT win in Nov...But all these National Traitors , war criminals are convicted of ALL their crimes against Humanity.
want to Watch Corps & Gov't Figures straighten their shit out fast....Punish a few to the fullest extent of the Law.
Industry and Gov't are Tools which are to serve Man (Created BY Man), Not the other way around.
We will not sit back as 'Rome' conquers our People & land, As Marie eats cake and we starve, As Hitler passes Judgemnt on our neighbors Worth, as Cheney Corps Steals and sells OUR country to the Highest Bidder, as another conquest!
Let's Set a Precedence and a Deterent
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If you just whine about the police state without DOING SOMETHING, you're as guilty of opening the door to repression as anyone else.
Here's what you can do: Call your local media...TV...Newspapers...and DEMAND that they offer coverage of the police riots in St. Paul.
Thank you! -S-
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Posted by: itzamirakul on Sep 3, 2008 10:36 AM
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Methinks this brutal behavior is par for the course at Republican events because they are terrified that the greater public will get wind of just how many protesters there are against Republican candidates and their inane policies. Also, their entire platform is based on terror, including the terror they can inflict on their own citizens as they move us more and more toward a unified world government. The Republicans are determined to end all forms of free speech.
It never ceases to amaze me how Republican supporters can ignore this behavior and continue to vote against their own best interests.
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» Bloomie was still using the Julie Annie racist-trained cops here in NYC
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Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand on Sep 3, 2008 11:03 AM
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If you give in to their intimidation tactics, then they will keep doing this. Sign the petition at www.FreePress.net, to pressure them to drop the charges against journalists, for starters. This is a key point. When protesters and bystanders were illegally rounded up during the RNC convention four years ago in New York City, it was the journalists who were there documenting it all who were able to disprove blatant lies by the police that allowed the plaintiffs to win a huge settlement against the city. They are trying to get rid of the journalists for this very reason - let alone that they are stomping all over our constitutional rights to free speech!
See coverage about the protests that is sorely lacking in the main stream media at:
www.DemocracyNow.org
support the organization, reporters without borders: www.rsf.org
Without real freedom of the press, we have no other freedoms.
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Jeff
Whats hiding on your PC?
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» Lionheart, please comment on a GOP blog where someone might care what you think.
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» Hugh Scott - the "war hero"
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Funny how anti war protestors wouldn't hesitate to injure a cop. Such peaceful people!
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» Bullshit perfectly describes the democratic party
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Vote for you? Like hell. Can't think of anything less patriotic than voting for fascists.
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It may be funny in retrospect to be let out of jail knowing you finally got out of that mess without too much fuss, but what the St. Paul police are doing to deny free Americans their basic rights is treasonous. But hey, they have the law on their side, and the law says, "Fuck freedom. The 'haves' are in charge now so back off, or else."
Isn't there anyone who can help us now?
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Posted by: alicelillie on Sep 3, 2008 4:16 PM
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This isn't a free country any more, end of story.
Please see my blog at http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com
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What was he thinking..?
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Posted by: socrates2 on Sep 3, 2008 5:46 PM
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It's called Recall. If everyone of you who lives in St. Paul gathers a couple of thousand signatures you can begin to beat this monstrosity at the grass roots level.
Recall the mayor, the councilpersons who went along with this farce and fire the chief.
It's _your city_ and it's _your taxes_ that pay for every inch of billy club, every molecule of tear gas, and every electron in those tazers. And every drop of fuel in each paddy wagon that rounded up people exercising their Constituonal guaranteed Right to Assemble.
Why should you have no say in when and how they are deployed and by whom?
It's your local government, St. Paulians! What's happening to you?
The cops are just more bureaucrats who need a salary and have mouths to feed. Or, as the joke goes:
Q: How does an American cop say, "I was just following orders."?
A: "Sorry, buddy, just doin' my job..."
And, after that digression: at election time replay videos of the display of dictatorial force against peaceful demonstrators. Exhibit 1, Amy Goodman's arrest.
And, some of the interviewees quoted in this piece will do quite nicely as witnesses.
No political action takes place at a blog site or sitting in front of one's computer and whining about it.
Where were you at the last MoveOn meeting?
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To be sure, there will be factional conflicts among the elite, and a degree of debate will be permitted; but no one outside the privileged circle will be allowed to influence state policy. Dissidents will be marginalized—usually by “the people” themselves. Deprived of historical knowledge by a thoroughly impoverished educational system designed to produce complacent consumers, left ignorant of current events by a corporate media devoted solely to profit, many will internalize the force-fed values of the ruling elite, and act accordingly. There will be little need for overt methods of control.
The rulers will act in secret, for reasons of “national security,” and the people will not be permitted to know what goes on in their name. Actions once unthinkable will be accepted as routine: government by executive fiat, state murder of “enemies” selected by the leader, undeclared wars, torture, mass detentions without charge, the looting of the national treasury, the creation of huge new “security structures” targeted at the populace. In time, this will be seen as “normal,” as the chill of autumn feels normal when summer is gone. It will all seem normal.”
— November 10, 2001
Moscow Times (English Edition)
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once they get the boot this November... theirs will be the loudest voice against this form of fascism and will be blaming the new power elites... for policies they themselves established!
and you wonder why the entire RNC and GOP entire are all so irrelevant these days
US Politics makes me ill
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2. Too many of you are anti-gun and anti-second amendment. Although, I am happy to see many of you realizing that "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun", as they say. Maybe you're slowly waking up to reality and understand that you will never change this world through peaceful means.
Shaping reality requires more than a powerful will, it requires powerful action.
3. Most Americans are out of shape cowards. Disorganized and weak. This is one of the most easily controllable civilian populations in the history of human civilization. A bunch of obese, sedentary office drones with diabetes.
4. Give up, it's hopeless. They'll have to literally start massacring us by the tens of thousands before anything changes.
Sadly, that might happen.
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