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Rights and Liberties

At JFK Airport, Denying Basic Rights Is Just Another Day at the Office

By Emily Feder, AlterNet. Posted August 18, 2008.


I was recently stopped by Homeland Security as I was returning from a trip to Syria. What I saw in the hours that followed shocked and disturbed me.
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I arrived at JFK Airport two weeks ago after a short vacation to Syria and presented my American passport for re-entry to the United States. After 28 hours of traveling, I had settled into a hazy awareness that this was the last, most familiar leg of a long journey. I exchanged friendly words with the Homeland Security official who was recording my name in his computer. He scrolled through my passport, and when his thumb rested on my Syrian visa, he paused. Jerking toward the door of his glass-enclosed booth, he slid my passport into a dingy green plastic folder and walked down the hallway, motioning for me to follow with a flick of his wrist. Where was he taking me, I asked him. "You'll find out," he said.

We got to an enclosed holding area in the arrivals section of the airport. He shoved the folder into my hand and gestured toward four sets of Homeland Security guards sitting at large desks. Attached to each desk were metal poles capped with red, white and blue siren lights. I approached two guards carrying weapons and wearing uniforms similar to New York City police officers, but they shook their heads, laughed and said, "Over there," pointing in the direction of four overflowing holding pens. I approached different desks until I found an official who nodded and shoved my green folder in a crowded metal file holder. When I asked him why I was there, he glared at me, took a sip from his water bottle, bit into a sandwich, and began to dig between his molars with his forefinger. I found a seat next to a man who looked about my age -- in his late 20s -- and waited.

Omar (not his real name) finished his fifth year in biomedical engineering at City College in June. He had just arrived from Beirut, where he visited his family and was waiting to go home to the apartment he shared with his brother in Harlem. Despite his near-perfect English and designer jeans, Omar looked scared. He rubbed his hands and rocked softly in his seat. He had been waiting for hours already, and, as he pointed out, a number of people -- some sick, elderly, pregnant or holding sobbing babies -- had too. There were approximately 70 people detained in our cordoned-off section: All were Arab (with the exception of me and the friend I traveled with), and almost all had arrived from Dubai, Amman or Damascus. Many were U.S. citizens.

We were in the front row, sitting a few feet from two guards' desks. They sneered at each bewildered arrival, told jokes in whispers, swiveled in their office chairs and greeted passing guards who stopped to talk -- guards who had a habit of looping their fingers into their holsters. One asked his friend how many nationalities were represented in the room. "About 20. Some of everything today."

No one who had been detained knew precisely why they were there. A few people were led into private rooms; others were questioned out in the open at desks a few feet from the crowd and then allowed to pass through customs. Some were sent to another section of the holding area with large computer screens and cameras, and then brought back. The uninformed consensus among the detainees was that some people would be fingerprinted, have their irises scanned and be sent back to the countries from which they had disembarked, regardless of citizenship status; others would be fingerprinted and allowed to stay; and the unlucky ones would be detained indefinitely and moved to a more permanent facility.

There was one British tourist in the group. Paul (also not his real name) was traveling with three friends who had passed through customs soon after their plane landed and were waiting for him on the other side of the metal barrier; he suspected he had been detained because of his dark skin. When he asked if he could go to the bathroom, one of the guards said, "I wouldn't." "What if someone has to?" I asked. "They will just have to hold it," the guard responded with a smile. Paul began to cry. I watched as he, over the course of four hours, went from feeling exuberant about his trip to New York to despising the entire country. "I speak the Queen's English," he said to me. "I'm third-generation British. I came to America because I've always wanted to come here, and now they've got me so scared that all I want to do is go home. We're paying for your stupid war anyway."

To be powerless and mocked at the same time makes one feel ashamed, which leads quickly to rage. Within a few hours of my arrival, I saw at least 10 people denied the right to use the bathroom or buy food and water. I watched my traveling companion duck under a barrier, run to the bathroom and slip back into the holding section -- which, of course, someone of another ethnicity in a state of panic would be very reluctant to do. The United States is good at naming enemies, but apparently we are even better at making them, especially of individuals. I don't know if it's worse for national security -- and more embarrassing for Americans -- that this is the first experience tourists have of our country, or that some U.S. citizens get treated this way upon entering their own country.


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You SURE you had nothing to lose?
Posted by: wwittman on Aug 18, 2008 12:53 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
in an atmosphere of such thuggery and disregard for law, what makes you so sure you had nothing to lose?
I congratulate you on your bravery in the face of intimidation.

But would you REALLY put it past these guys to act beyond their actual legal constraints?

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» Actual legal constraints? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Actual legal constraints? Posted by: seslabaugh
» RE: Actual legal constraints? Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: You SURE you had nothing to lose? Posted by: beautifulady2003
» Oops Posted by: emmas
» In a way this is good Posted by: UnEasyOne
» Everywhere a Terrorist Posted by: karinkdf82
It was heroic
Posted by: bryangalt on Aug 18, 2008 1:21 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The author was indeed heroic to stand up for herself and for the others in this instance.

I am embarrassed for America and Americans if this is how the Bush administration thinks they are keeping the country safe. This just adds to the long, long list of incompetent decisions made by him and his band of criminals.

To the people that were held like cattle, I would extend my apologies to you. As an American citizen, not an agent of the Bush administration, I can tell you that I am appalled and shocked to read about what you went through.

I hope you never have to endure such outageous treatment again.

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» RE: It was heroic Posted by: John Annis
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» RE: It was heroic Posted by: deang
How I deal with airport security
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 18, 2008 3:12 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm 73, have a bad knee, titanium hip and walk with a cane. The last time I flew, airport security treated me like a terrorist suspect.

First, my artificial hip set off the metal detector. So they had to pass an electronic wand over my body as though I were a suicider.

Next, my cane got scutinized, as if it were a pipe bomb. And finally, my shoes wee examined for explosives.

With all that in mind, here's how I now deal with airport security. I don't! I wouldn't fly again if they paid me.

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» RE: How I deal with airport security Posted by: HillbillyBob
Rights and Liberties
Posted by: rinthy on Aug 18, 2008 3:30 AM   
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The name of this section should be changed. 'Nostalgia' might be more accurate.
Rinthy

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» Nostalgia Posted by: Cathyc
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» RE: ights and Liberties Posted by: seslabaugh
Stay away from the U.S.
Posted by: akai ringo on Aug 18, 2008 3:42 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Surely the message that needs to be put across to every non-American citizen is that unless you have an overriding necessity to go to the U.S., then go somewhere else. If you are a tourist, there are many other wonderful destinations, if you are a would-be students, there are many other countries anxious to welcome you. Until ordinary American citizens have shown that they are willing to take country of their own country, then do the wise thing and stay away.

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» RE: Stay away from the U.S. Posted by: beautifulady2003
» Stay away from the U.S. Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Stay away from the U.S. Posted by: tuelster
» RE: Stay away from the U.S. Posted by: justAnEgg
» RE: Stay away from the U.S. Posted by: topbrick
» RE: Stay away from the U.S. Posted by: abersabeel
Watching my country deteriorate
Posted by: eyebox on Aug 18, 2008 4:05 AM   
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As an American who became an ex-patriate, partially because I was appalled by many of the things that are passing as legal (beginning with the 2000 election), stories like these both confirm my darkest fears and make me sad for the fate of my country. I agree with the above comment that tourists have many other choices, and mourn the fact that my country's policy of isolationism has finally reaped all that it has sown during the past 8 years.
When consistent violation of fundamental human rights masquerades as 'democracy' and the population sits back and does nothing, we have a recipe for the disaster that the US is quickly becoming.

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» RE: Watching my country deteriorate Posted by: beautifulady2003
» RE: Watching my country deteriorate Posted by: beautifulady2003
Welcome home!
Posted by: CJC on Aug 18, 2008 4:48 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Not even citizens have rights in the no man's land of the border. Scary.

Yesterday's NYTimes travel section had a question from a reader about whether it was possible for a woman to travel safely in Syria. The gist of the answer was that Syria had a restrictive government and therefore conditions for tourists were safe. As for the traveler being a woman the advice was to dress modestly.

No mention was made of possible confinement for hours at JFK on one's return.

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Gulag America
Posted by: dougo on Aug 18, 2008 4:56 AM   
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The assholes that set up this whole stinking system,Bush Cheney,Feith et al don't give a rats ass about rights,human,constitutional or any other type. All they care about is exercising power. They are megalomaniacs of the lowest order,intoxicated with their own self perceived superiority.We are all being persecuted for doing nothing and the U.S. is now officially a banana republic. If your skin isn't lilly white you are subjected to humiliation and intimidation.Please,just stay home,don't come here for fear of your life and freedom.If you have even a semblance of freedom in your native country,stay there.There is nothing here for you but misery. I've had enough of this crap from these thugs.If things go badly this November I for one am renouncing my citizenship and leaving,if any country will have me.

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» RE: Gulag America Posted by: beautifulady2003
» Why wait til November? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Gulag America Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Gulag America Posted by: UnderTheSea
Our own worst enemy
Posted by: LionHeart on Aug 18, 2008 5:30 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've heard stories like this before in Newark airport. I haven't flown at all in the past year but I understand it has gotten worse and this article shows that.

Does this sound familar - Japanese American internment camps during WW2. Terrorists do not need to bomb us again or fight to take away our freedoms, we are doing a good job of it ourselves!

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» RE: Our own worst enemy Posted by: Keegan
I am Canadian
Posted by: Blacktiger on Aug 18, 2008 5:36 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
but would not set one foot across the Peace Arch border! I have been on the computer and watched my prideful neighbor lose his/her dignity under this Administration, and have had plenty to say about it. So if the FBI, CIA etc. are this unreasonable over a false flag security situation under which they brought down their own buildings and killed three thousand souls I am not surprised at the treatment of this American citizen, America has contracted a terrible disease and it's standing Government and Opposition Party should all be put into quarentine within the same type of holding pens such as the JFK airport, not allowed food, water, rest, or bathroom privileges. I'm sure that after a week or so under this stressful situation they may become a titch more compassionate. I truely hope that all will be safe from "Fay" approaching Florida and I also hope you will be better treated than after Katrina's visit.

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» That's why it's so important... Posted by: LeaderofMen
» RE: That's why it's so important... Posted by: beautifulady2003
Another Happy Expat
Posted by: Germanicus on Aug 18, 2008 5:51 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
With each passing day, the thought of facing US immigration again with my French wife and foreign-born daughters becomes more and more frightening. I have done nothing that would warrant being legally detained or incarcerated, but it is becoming increasingly clear that what used to be illegal in our country now is acceptable, even the norm -- torture, for instance.

I would agree with the comment above -- if you are not a Yank and have no need to go there, stay away. Don't be tempted by the cheap holiday, the bargain-basement clothes and electronics.

That last bit may need explaining to American readers. You see, as the value of the dollar has plunged, the relative value of other currencies has sky-rocketed, so travelling to America is really cheap. You know, the way it used to be for Americans going to Mexico. I guess, now that we are headed for the status of a Banana Republic, we have the sadistic civil servants to go with it.

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» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
Me Too
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Aug 18, 2008 5:57 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I had a similar experience 2 years ago, returning to the US via Niagara Falls. I was with a friend; he is an American attorney who was born in Pakistan, and I am a US citizen, born in the US. It happened because when we crossed the bridge back into the US, we asked for directions, and the young border guard looked at us suspiciously and asked to see our passports. After looking at them, he began asking questions about why we had both been to Pakistan that year. We explained our trips to him, but instead of letting us pass he confiscated our passports and pointed to a building behind him, telling us to go into the building and wait.

We sat for three hours in a crowded room where we were the only Americans. Actually we stood because all the seats were taken. Most of the people who were detained along with us were either Pakistani, Indian or Arabs. The guards and people behind the glass sitting at cubicles with computer screens completely ignored us or answered our questions mostly by saying, you'll have to wait your turn.

At the end of the three hours, an official approached us quietly from a side door, handed us back our passports and acted very apologetic (although no apology or explanation was given for our being held). He directed us to the elevator and told us how to exit the building.

The ridiculousness of this episode cannot be overemphasized especially when we had crossed the border via the pedestrian bridge across the falls several times that same day, without incident. In fact, most of the time no one was there. I believe my friend and I were detained because he is dark skinned, and I wear the hijab. That time was about 2 weeks after the Pakistani British men were caught in the UK plotting to blow up Heathrow Airport. So all Pakistanis were suspect, and all people having had anything to do with Pakistan.

This isn't fighting terrorism. This is terrorism.

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note to the rest of the universe...
Posted by: ellie on Aug 18, 2008 6:18 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
we the people, ordinary americans are so sorry for the mess we have created for you... please remember in most of all cases, we were not consulted and these draconian conditions were fast tracked so quickly into law that we didn't even know they were happening or allowed the time to get to bitch and stop it...

homeland security is just a new layer of unnecessarily ridiculous bureaucracy we didn't need or ask for... the best we can hope for is dismantling it, it's a waste of the $$ you are spending here (remember, we're broke)and doesn't do anything for anyone...

please do not come here unless you have any other choice... do your business over the internet, by phone and fax...

if the US can detain (imprison for hours or years) and deport its own citizens (to where, we don't know... just because an american visited your country doesn't mean your country wants american refugees)...

please take your vacation $$ to other countries where you can be safe and enjoy your adventure... we the majority of american people are sorry that this mess exists, the vast majority of us would love to meet you and your families, show you this beautiful country, but it is risky or actually dangerous for you to come here...

remember, we are trapped here too... many americans would love to get the hell out, but can't get the documents needed to satisfy the state department to get a passport to get out, let alone back in... and still risk imprisonment when we do return for stupid stuff...

we're sorry... truly sorry

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» Not just to itself... Posted by: Cathyc
» If you are an American citizen Posted by: topbrick
» RE: note to the rest of the universe... Posted by: AMerrickanGirl
Shame to be an American
Posted by: curiousdwk on Aug 18, 2008 6:59 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There is a price we as a society pay for hyper-vigilence. The first installment of that price is fear by individuals directly affected. The second installment is shame by those not directly affected. I am ashamed of what is being done in my name. I no longer want to be considered an American. I call myself a Global Citizen now rather than a member of any tribe or nation.

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Story seems a bit embellished to me, and as far.......
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Aug 18, 2008 7:10 AM   
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....as the Peace Bridge, Rainbow Bridge, two boarder crossings here in WNY, they've been "profiling" and pulling cars over for my entire lifetime of 43 years.
This has been their practice long before this current administration set foot in Washington.

Many have been complaining for the last five years that the money we're spending on the Iraq war would have been better spent on securing our borders. I know that's what Hillary Clinton cried about.
So what does that really mean??
More money really won't help outside of future advances in technology. At the Peace Bridge, there are about 20 bays for cars to pass thru.......so it's fairly limited as to what can be done to "protect" our borders...outside of asking questions.

There's no doubt that some border patrol agents act like thugs and we need to get rid of them ASAP. They need to be tactful, and respectful....and holding people for hours without any explanation has to end.

But profiling is a necessary evil in law enforcement.... whether you agree with the practice or not.

As far as this story, I think the author stretched the truth so that she could justify the last paragraph of her article.


Allstar Cookie

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» Rickets, too Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: ickets, too Posted by: Allstar Cookie
Your Southern border fence
Posted by: Blacktiger on Aug 18, 2008 7:17 AM   
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What a laugh that is! Many citizens that live along the Rio Grande are also learning what being a taxpaying citizen does not have a chance. That fence is set to put those people between the fence and the river. Talk about stupid surveyors. In some places the fence is about two miles away from the river and those farms are going to be completely in limbo/no man's land. With no way to get machines through to tend the fields. Can you imagine that hassle? As said before the terrorists lives in the White House

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» RE: Your Southern border fence Posted by: rhinojos
The new Regime!
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 18, 2008 7:31 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
welcome to the New Regime! Pretty sad isnt it. Seems the US has indeed become a communist, police state.

RD
Is your ISP watching?

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» RE: The new Regime! Posted by: Keegan
» RE: The new Regime! Posted by: deang
colin syme
Posted by: colinsyme on Aug 18, 2008 7:30 AM   
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I came by this site via reddit,by mistake, just as well as l have a friend about to visit me who is planning a trip to Florida, he is going to see this report. He is a bit "iffy" about visiting the US as he knew the family of the Scot who was shot by the police who thought he was reaching for a gun, he was looking for his international driving permit! l think this article will convince him to try another country, there are plenty of good deals at the moment. Me, no thanks, the USA sounds like Nazi Germany! here in Scotland l never bother to lock my door when l go out and our police are real gentlemen/women (Lothian & borders police force) That lady should come and visit Scotland, we will give you a great welcome!

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America
Posted by: Keegan on Aug 18, 2008 7:34 AM   
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I really am ashamed of this country and I was born here. I wish it were easier to move. And I must live with the stigma of being an American if I do get a chance to emigrate. I guess I'll just have to tell people that I'm Canadian, ha.

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» RE: America Posted by: topbrick
» Eh? Posted by: halg
Simply "AVOID AMERICA AT ANY COST"
Posted by: Burtonger on Aug 18, 2008 8:46 AM   
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The totally ridiculous "Bush Laws" have made America a no go zone and is killing America in so many ways it really is obscenely criminal.

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Godda*n A-rabs are ED-U-KATED!
Posted by: nikolai on Aug 18, 2008 9:00 AM   
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We luvs to detain them ed-u-kated A-rabs and see them squirm!!!

Seriously tho, Homeland Security was created for 3 reasons;

1. So that it would at least APPEAR that the gov't was doing something about "terrorism".

2. To create more "cops". The wealthy folks in this country like to keep the rest of us in line; the more cops the better. The fact that HS people are not really cops makes it all the worse. Here are a bunch of hillbillies with NO real authority illegally detaining you and usurping your rights for NO valid reason!

3. The CIA, FBI, DEA, ATF, INS, NSA, etc were NOT(prior to 911) doing their jobs properly (the proof is in the pudding after all) and are STILL NOT doing their jobs properly, and weren't and still are NOT sharing information, so instead of FIXING THIS PROBLEM between all of these renegade agencies, what does the gov't do? THEY CREATE ANOTHER ONE!!!

Homeland Security is just a bunch of undereducated people who are benefitting from 911 in the creation of new jobs and they have to act like they're doing something to earn their shekels, I mean, dollars.

The bottom line is that this agency and the reasons it was created are a national disgrace.
My apologies to the citizens of all countries who have been detained by HS. There are still many REASONING Americans who do NOT agree with this agency and the reason(s) it was created, and the administration that created it.As a once proud American I for one APOLOGIZE for this SHAM of an agency, and assure you many other decent Americans feel the same!

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Traitors and Tyrants
Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 18, 2008 9:59 AM   
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deserve death.

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Homeland/Fatherland
Posted by: logic on Aug 18, 2008 10:42 AM   
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If you pull a page from history and read what some of the people were saying at the advent of hitler's power, the stories are frighteningly similar. I have been crossing at a lot of Canadian borders not just one, over the past fifty eight years. The difference in treatment over the years is alarming. Native Americans have even been detained because all the crossing guard could see was brown skin. We used to cross with no more than a smile and a wave to the border guards, now we line up for interrorgation. I join the apology to the rest of the world for not being strong or smart enough to stop this disgraceful devolution of america.

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Incompetence
Posted by: oregoncharles on Aug 18, 2008 11:12 AM   
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All these stories are truly frightening. The piece certainly belongs in the Rights section, but I see another, equally scary aspect to these stories: the border guards seem unable to do the job they're supposed to do.

This is essentially Immigration. They have a very basic, necessary job: to make sure your passport is genuine and you are who you say you are. If they can also catch some dangerous people, so much the better, but identification is the essence of their job.

So why, in this age of telecommunications and databases, does it take them hour upon hour to do their basic job? They should be able to do that in a few minutes, without making people miss their planes. If they can't, we're in real trouble.

This also has implications for the "profiling" issue. There really is a terrorist profile. It's very bad luck if you're a somewhat rootless young man from certain countries. But the profile does NOT include, for instance, American college students or middle-aged doctors (examples from my personal experience) - nor this American woman. First question: why are they wasting their time, and our money, on such people? Check their passports and send them on their way.

(Profiling can also be very dangerous, a form of carelessness. It's easy to evade by finding someone who doesn't fit the stereotype. For one example, there are plenty of blonde Muslims. Hence the random searches.)

If you are going to give certain people extra attention on the basis of an informed profile, it makes a big difference if you can do it QUICKLY. Ten minutes and answering a few (polite!) questions is a very minor inconvenience, and could serve everyone's interests. No harm, no foul. But the people described are clearly being harmed.

Why? One friend's theory is that the DHS people are simply underpaid, unhappy sadists getting their jollies. It does seem obvious that they are sadistic, stupid racists. But the real problem is that, for whatever reason (mostly incompetence and irresponsibility at very high levels), they can't actually do the legitimate job they're asked to do.

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» good point Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: Incompetence Posted by: deang
» Blonde Muslim Posted by: beautifulady2003
The lifeblood of fascism....
Posted by: morticia on Aug 18, 2008 12:36 PM   
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....no matter when or where it occurs is the cumulative effect of giving a little bit of power to vast numbers of petty, small-minded people. We have all had brushes with officiousness, from overzealous washroom attendants to government clerks to shopping-mall security guards; when the ones given carte blanche to exercise their little bit of power carry guns (or bows and arrows) and have the life-or-death and highly pleasurable (to them) ability to round you up, detain you and turn you over to the "authorities," then you have the essential component without which fascism could not thrive.

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In the future
Posted by: 7 Levels on Aug 18, 2008 12:53 PM   
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even a trip to the post office will be just like this.

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Uniforms
Posted by: BobNoxious on Aug 18, 2008 12:53 PM   
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The Law Enforcement Officers on every level in the US all know damn well that they can do anything they want and never ever be punished for it. The author was lucky she wasn't taken into a back room and severely beaten for her disobedience.

Any crime is legal if the perpetrator is in a uniform.

I need to get myself a uniform so that I can be reckless and criminal without fear of any retribution.

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The New Regime
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 18, 2008 1:26 PM   
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Welcome to the new Regime! All hale Dictator Bush! LOL

RD
Ultimate Anonymity

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Skip the border Gestapo
Posted by: praedor on Aug 18, 2008 1:24 PM   
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You are better served and better off to simply skip official border crossings and just come and go as you please, the way it was originally and the way it is supposed to be.

FUCK the Gestapo of the Dept of der Fatherland Security!

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More professionalism needed.
Posted by: JJG on Aug 18, 2008 1:28 PM   
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Good account about how America has taken a turn for the worse. I was reminded of a class reunion I attended recently: One of my old classmates is now a ships captain for an international freight line. He is a German citizen, has travelled all over the world and told me that in no country have the border control agents treated him with more hostility than when he entered the U.S. on a recent business trip. He told me he was strip searched without proper cause and generally treated “like a criminal” by the Homeland Security agents. The whole thing reminded him of old Nazi movies and how suspects were treated at that time. I suspected this was some kind of fluke at the time, but have recently heard many such stories from reliable sources. What kind of image of America are we trying to project to visitors and business people?

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All of this is disgusting beyond belief. There is strength in numbers and
Posted by: thekidde on Aug 18, 2008 1:48 PM   
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ALL who are detained is such a way should be loud, belligerent and (non-physically) aggressive. The way to defeat bullies is with numbers and no quarter. Creating a huge scene gets media and other's attention - this crap is NOT the America that true Americans want and the powers that be must be held to account.

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MLE
Posted by: ericksonml@sbcglobal.net on Aug 18, 2008 2:00 PM   
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Important article. Author mentions taking names of officers involved. But, why are these names not named!
The only way to stop the petty and the horrendous large aggressions against people is to NAME THE JOHNS involved. Could they sue you? You are simply telling a story, giving your perspective. If you really wanted to be inflamatory you could print their names AND their addresses and their CHURCH affiliation.
Mostly these people are poor slobs in a bad job who finally get to lord it over some other human being. But, no one should encourage or allow them to behave in an inhumane manner. We ALL must keep reiterating the theme that "I know you are scared and 'doing your duty' but you don't have to DEHUMANIZE AND DISRESPECT ohter human beings while you do this. This job is NOT to allow you make up for all the other oppressions that have been heaped on your head by our capitalist system. STRIKE BACK AT THE MEGA RICH if you want revenge. Not poor average citizens like me and these others."
What would Jesus Christ do in a
Homeland Securtiy situation?

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» RE: MLE Posted by: anonymous1234
Keep Fighting!
Posted by: rs98101 on Aug 18, 2008 2:04 PM   
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I applaud the author for standing up to this type of tyranny that is happening all too often in this great country of ours. You are a true patriot, do not lose heart!

It is incidents like these that make our choice of the next president an important one. The erosion of civil liberties is one of the main reasons I've decided that Obama is the best candidate suited to restoring the freedoms that this country was founded upon. You can read more about my reasoning here:

Why This Libertarian Supports Obama

Keep standing up for our rights. You'll probably get put on a "Terrorist Watch List" now, but consider that a badge of honor!

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Who exactly are the terrorists?
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Aug 18, 2008 2:08 PM   
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Somebody should tell George Bush that by terrorizing innocent people, including his own citizens, he has lost the "war on terror." It's incidents like this that must have Osama bin Laden dancing for joy.

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» RE: The purpose of the "war on terror" Posted by: beautifulady2003
unfortunate but necessary
Posted by: taskforceangle on Aug 18, 2008 2:11 PM   
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Its unforunate that this happens, but it is necessary to screen people traveling from high risk areas. I dont think that its fair to say that we are infringing on their rights. Im sure they dont intend to stick people in rooms for seven hours, but it happens sometimes. Remember if youre going to point the finger at the government and blame them for not preventing 9/11, you cant also point the finger and blame that theyre trying to prevent another one. If you wanna make an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.

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Lilly
Posted by: Lilly on Aug 18, 2008 2:15 PM   
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One or two years into Bush II Term I my friend had a similar experience at Orlando International. She is an American-born American citizen who was returning (trying to) home to New York from a business meeting in Orlando. Having lived in Israel, she was attuned to the exigencies of airport security so became concerned when, after she checked her bag, it was left outside the counter where anyone could tamper with it. Three times she called this to the clerk's attention before asking to speak with a supervisor. She was then arrested and detained for four hours, interrogated, intimidated, and told that her entire detention was being videotaped and that she would be watched on any future occasion of passing through Orlando International Airport. She missed her flight. She was not allowed to call her husband (a Cantor, BTW). Jewish surname, New York address, assertive businesswoman manner---we might wonder why she was told by the male interrogators "You may be able to get away with that kind of behavior up where you come from but down here we don't stand for it." Only after she cried and apologized (for asking to see a supervisor) was she released. It seems that the good ol' boys of the South can make their own applications of Homeland Security.

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» RE: Lilly Posted by: 114Pilot
» RE: Lilly Posted by: heathehren
America is the new USSR
Posted by: carltrudeau on Aug 18, 2008 2:42 PM   
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I am American of northern European decent. I have a Syrian visa in my passport (along with others from the Arab World: Yemen, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait etc... I used to live in Dubai) and live abroad in Europe. Whenever I arrive in the US I am grilled about why I have been to the Mid East, who I know there, if I maintain contacts there (this question even when I was living and working there).

On my last entry into Atlanta, they went through my mobile phone, asking me about each and every contact and the numbers I had called. I am making another visit to the US for the holidays but before then am taking a vacation in Syria. I can hardly wait for the interrogation I will receive in the US.

My last visit to Syria I walked across the border from Turkey and was given mint tea by the Syrians while we chatted and then they arranged a car to take me to Aleppo (for free) and all over the country I was greeted warmly with "Welcome to Syria. Thank you for visiting my country".

Sadly, the welcome from America is cold, mean and if I were not a citizen with family there, I would never return.

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» RE: America is the new USSR Posted by: beautifulady2003
114Pilot
Posted by: 114Pilot on Aug 18, 2008 2:50 PM   
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"AHHHHhhhhh, you poor little fool"!!! Imagine Peter Sellars in one of his Pink Panther roles. Airport Security isn't about airport security, it's about politics and most importantly, CYA. Imagine a game of musical chairs. Who wants to be left standing when the next terrorist "ATTACK" happens. Not our Gov't!!! If you think that all of this is bad, or unnecessary etc, just you wait until the next "attack" comes. Read the legislation and rules that set up & govern "airport security". It's like a mandate for the NKVD/KGB. You have NO rights and can be arrested for the least sign of "disrespect". Just keep in mind that the "DAY THE WORLD CHANGED", 9-11, involved changes that were put in place by the US Gov't, not alQuida. Senator Obama and the Democratic Party are about 'hope' and 'change'......judge the truthfulness of their campaign by how much of all this 'security' is done away once they take control. You are very lucky! Frequently people are arrested, detained, whatever, for doing what you did, or less!!!! Welcome to our Brave New World.

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Does this sound like the past or present?
Posted by: meadowlake59 on Aug 18, 2008 2:52 PM   
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"The people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders. All you have to do is tell them that they are in danger of being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

Hermann Goering

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The Enemy Is Us
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Aug 18, 2008 3:14 PM   
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Something like that incident at JFK could not have happened sometime ago in American history. How many untold travelers have been whisked away and asked ridiculous questions about their recent whereabouts? Is this what we've become? Why can't these DHS goons act like those interrogators in "Syriana"?
That's why I despise flying. You have to strip and subject yourself to humiliation and then you got this army of DHS nuts examining all your personal belongings and your ID. Good grief! Interrogations like this smirks of racial profiling.
America is such a paranoid nation that no matter where you're from, the DHS thug squads in shirts and ties seem to believe every passenger is a threat. It's probably done to justify its huge multi-billion dollar budget, to try to find threats where there are none. It's like trying to find Brazil nuts in Bostwana.
A nation that still hasn't found Osama bin Laden has questioned travelers needlessly over mundane matters that doesn't bring us closer to stopping gang violence or other societal problems here.
In its quest to find enemies we're creating more than we know; the enemy is us. DHS people should realize their interrogative tactics will not ferret out America's enemies. I feel for anyone who were detained for no reason at airports. It's sheer madness.

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Suzie Kidder
Posted by: swkidder on Aug 18, 2008 3:15 PM   
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Lily Tomlin was right " I'm a cynic and I just can't keep up." Every time I think I just can't get more ashamed of the country we've become ... I find I'm mistaken ... I can.

Here the author was, sitting in a room full of U.S. citizens who returning to this country, and tourists who were coming to visit this country - all of them choosing to believe that there might be some glimmers of the nation we used to be ... and the one they still hoped to find ... to be found somewhere "from sea to shining sea."
And this experience was what we gave them instead. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on anyone in the putative Homeland Security who believes this is any way to run a country, let alone keep it safe. You might want to start looking for another job, because as of January 2009, "You're Fired."

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No surprise here, guys!
Posted by: justAnEgg on Aug 18, 2008 4:18 PM   
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Only 11% of Americans are proud owners of USA passport, 10-20% out of which travel abroad during the year. Average Joe and Jenny don't have an idea what the 'passenger processing' looks like at a US international airport, so they don't give a damn about it.

That's exactly how fascism prevails: "We didn't know"...

But I myself have a blunder to live with: when a security bitch shouted at me because I didn't hear her asking me the first time to get my laptop out of the bag - I APOLOGIZED.

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The Proper Response to The Pig
Posted by: ocsailorman on Aug 18, 2008 4:27 PM   
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The time has come for us to realize that polite liberalism in the face of the corporate fascist state put in place by Bush/Cheney with the active and tacit support of most Democrats is THE ENEMY. The only response is constant outrage and agressive action to smash as much of the pigocracy as possible. The only proper response to outrageous police state actions is to have the courage to shout NO! To quote ee cummings' Olaf, shout "there is some shit I will not eat". Every chance you get scream "Fuck The Pig"... tag every surface in sight with "FTP" -- no more polite dialog with fascism. Have the courage to fight back in little and big ways.
-- FTP !!!

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syed salamah ali mahdi
Posted by: salamah on Aug 18, 2008 4:46 PM   
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Do you know where or what Okeechebee is? I'm sure, not! Allow me please to introduce it you because in its County Jail the most wonderful American I have known in my 50 years of business dealings with Americans, has been languishing in a solitary cell for the past 14 months, on trumped up accusations which could be dismissed in the first hearing, provided he is arraigned in a Court! Bear with me while I introduce my friend to you. He is Mr. Thomas Brewster Manton Ph.D who is a direct descendant of Thomas Jefferson. Yes, that Jefferson! He is whiter than most whites. He was born 69 years ago in Burma where his parents were conducting Jesus' good work in Burma even during the brutal Japenese accupation, being missionaries. His mother taught Aung Su Kyi.Tom and Aung have been friends for 5 decades. After Japan's surrender in 1945, Tom's parents were transfered to India, where Tom went to Woodstock School in Mussourie. It is here that he picked up friendship with the two sons of Indira Gandhi, the widow of one, being Sonia Gandhi, who is Tom's friend too! After finishing Woodstock, Tom went to the US where he finished his graduate, post-graduate and doctorate degrees from Ivy League schools. He doctored in International Relations. Soon Tom found himself with like minded 'gentle' Americans who wanted to make a contribution to a World poisoned by the Cold War. He got to know Zulfikkar Ali Bhutto of Pakistan at the United Nations and they became friends. During his last days, while waiting for his noose, Papa Bhutto entrusted the supervision of his daughter, Benazir Bhutto's education in US, which Tom did. In fact the day Tom was SWATTED by FBI/CIA(?) goons in Okeechebee, he was on his way to Washington DC to join Benazir Bhutto on her flight back to Pakistan after having 'consulted' with US Senators and Congressmen, some of who had been introduced by Tom. This flight ended in her assassination in Karachi a few days after her arrival. I came to know Tom in 1976 in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Being a dreamer and a problem solver, he had just offered an ingenious solution to the Saudis on the suffocating congestion they were suffering from in Jeddah Port where upto 30 ships were anchored off shore at all times for want of berthing space in the Port. Tom offered to bring in WWII land sea transportation (LST) amphibious vehicles from the US Navy Scrapyards and use them to on load the LST's from the waiting ships off shore and then off load the goods on the beaches to the South of Jeddah Port. Well, the Saudis accepted Tom's solution and BINGO it worked. Over the 40 years I have known him, he would come up with solutions for problems of all sorts in the four corners of the globe. He tried his hands at 'de-mining' for which he had a German Company design a demining vehicle. He made an offer to the Egyptians and Libyans on how best to demine the Al Alamain battle ground from World War II. Because Tom is a Lone Ranger and such projects need CASH, huge amounts of it,he failed. One of his most ambitious projects was the Kazhakistan to Turkmenistan to Pakistan via Afghanistan OIL & GAS Pipeline. He started working on this right after the American Conglomerate working on an identical line went or started going bust. Yes, the same US Company which had employed Hamid Karazai and perhaps Zalmai Khalilzad too.Because of Tom's personal relationships in the would be host countries of the pipeline he was making slow but sound progress but 9/11 derailed every and Tom ended up losing his life savings. Now, he is now in the middle of nowhere cattle country county jail run by tobacco chewing and cussing nobodies.
Tom is desperate and desolate awaiting indictment on an accusation which is totally untrue and absurd. He is being held on accusation of being a peadophile based on files "DISCOVERED" in his Laptop. Tom? A paedophile? A blatant and outrageous LIE.
Any Good Samaritans there?

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» Hapeus Corpus Posted by: gellero1
Vote for change
Posted by: darter22 on Aug 18, 2008 4:52 PM   
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Stories like this make me ashamed of the actions of my government. A vote for Obama for president would at least be a start toward a return to respect for justice, human rights and common decency. I am optimistic that America can change for the better but pessimistic that it will.

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» RE: Vote for change Posted by: littlepear
Dream On !!
Posted by: gellero1 on Aug 18, 2008 6:37 PM   
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Bill Clinton was as liberal as they come.....so what changed? You can still go to jail for a joint.

Sen. Obama is a 'focus group' type of guy. And I predict Hillary will be the upset nominee. Obama is unelectable.

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» RE: Dream On !! Posted by: undrgrndgirl
» RE: Dream On !! Posted by: tap17x
Uh huh
Posted by: vt_mruhlin on Aug 18, 2008 7:32 PM   
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The whole bit about "denying civil rights" is knd of contradicted by the fact that your buddy got up and went to the bathroom hassle free.

Sounds like some assholes running that place, but don't act like travel delays are some huge injustice. If you plan on international travel through the US, expect delays; expect a hassle.

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The New America?
Posted by: lindajrjt on Aug 18, 2008 8:19 PM   
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I guess this is part of the "new America". I read this story and it really pissed me off that a bunch of officials could act like mini dictators towards these poor people even denying them their basic needs. Something needs to be done or we won't have anything left ourselves. I am glad she was able to stand up to them and glad she posted the story here as we need to know the things that are going on and of course not reported in the government controlled media. The way those people acted leaves me embarrassed as visitors and our own citizens alike should not be treated in this rude and crude manner. If this is the new America I want no part of it.

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I was held up too.
Posted by: tap17x on Aug 18, 2008 8:28 PM   
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I'm white as can be, 73, have a plain American name, speak with no accent, was born in Philly, and was traveling with my woman. Not your typical terrorist profile. When returning from London to L.A. about a month ago, I was taken to a special area (at LAX) with no explanation. In contrast to what others have experienced, the TSA guy was polite. He went through all my luggage and I had to boot up the laptop I was carrying and show him a sample of hundreds of photos I took in Germany, Austria, and Amsterdam. I somehow avoided alerting him to some photos I took of a nuclear cooling tower along the Rhine. After almost an hour we were released, still with no explanation. I can imagine what a middle-eastern-looking young male who's traveling on an Arab-country passport, or a recent immigrant, might have to go through.

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Another Reason
Posted by: Knitster on Aug 18, 2008 8:56 PM   
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Another reason why I would never ever go to the US. Been through Europe, been to South Korea, never ever want to go to the US!

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A Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Aug 18, 2008 10:15 PM   
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It's not just Bush, Cheney, Rice and the crew of thugs now in power, but the vast majority of the Republican party, most of the craven Democrats, the media and the Christian right that have betrayed the nation, trashed the Constitution and destroyed our rights.

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I Wish We Could Do This In Our Country
Posted by: rs2008 on Aug 19, 2008 1:55 AM   
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I'm from India.

Since 9/11 America and UK setup these stiff anti-terrorist laws, 'draconian' policies and security that is described in the post above. It has annoyed and bothered thousands of tourists and American citizens. It has created an embarassment for thousands of you who dont want to give away your freedom.

Since 9/11 there have been no strict terrorist laws in India, no federal initiative to curb such activities and our weak Government has no policies to control extremists. Since that date there have been several dozen horrifying attacks. Several thousand innocent people have lost lives in terrorist related incidents in India since the towers collapsed in NYC. Everyday citizens live in fear of something going off in a crowded market or even hospitals (last month).

There have been ZERO incidents in America.

I wish there was Homeland Security and other measures like yours in our country.

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» Laws vs. Rights Posted by: Eleusia
» RE: I Wish We Could Do This In Our Country Posted by: beautifulady2003
» RE: I Wish We Could Do This In Our Country Posted by: Aposterioriperception
» RE: I Wish We Could Do This In Our Country Posted by: beautifulady2003
Hola!
Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 19, 2008 4:06 AM   
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I think that we've hit the tipping point with the concept of emigrating, and I'm so pleased. I've been singing that song here on the pages of AlternNet for years now, since 2004, and getting a fair amount of flak back for suggesting abandoning America. People still felt that they had a duty to fix America back then, but I thought that it was too late for that and that such a task was impossible. Apparently, many of you do now as well.

Also, people still loved America and really didn't want to be anywhere else. But I found the new America unlovable. What we love is a memory. The beast that replaced her is not the same thing. It is not lovable. And it doesn't love us.

HERE'S a typical argument from those days. I chose this one because a poster named Cyclone showed some interest in the idea, and there is a dialog between us that follows the linked post, which provides a fuller explication of my argument for those that might be more receptive to it today.

As you can tell, I was becoming quite discouraged at that time preaching what I thought was a helpful message and analysis, namely, that we should begin looking around and making contingency plans for emigrating, as that is something that we may want or need to do, and that we would rather do it carefully than in the middle of the night (martial law looked like it might be forthcoming even then).

But I was getting so much hostility back that I essentially quit posting on the subject, and pretty much disappeared from AlterNet until recently. I had always hoped that many of you would see the light and get the hell out of America before these people start to hurt you, and I am delighted to see so much conversation on the subject now.

Incidentally, I have a home in another country now, although I still have my American home (which I can't sell in this market) and have occasion to visit it and attend to other matters there. I won't tell you where I've gone to, except to say that it is a Spanish speaking country in the western hemisphere, and I am very happy with it. I hope that many of you will join me here some day. I can't tell you what a pleasure it is to be with decent people that aren't jaded and spoiled, that don't despise liberals, that value education, that respect age, that don't drive around talking on cell phones and that don't use religion as a weapon. Yucch.

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not the same experience I've had at JFK's tank
Posted by: hentrain on Aug 19, 2008 5:31 AM   
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I had a passport stolen in Africa about ten years ago, and since 911, whenever I come back in to the U.S. I have to go into the homeland security tank for a while. Since I travel a lot for work, I've been in JFK's tank 4 times in the past 6 months. I've been in a lot of other back rooms, too. Emily Feder has some good points here, but she either had an exceptional circumstance or she exaggerates. I have seen many immigrants (although almost always those with short term visas) get aggressively questioned in front of the other people who are detained, one guy from spain had his cell phone taken, and when they found pictures of him in a restaurant kitchen, they decided to deport him since it looked like proof he had held a job in the US before. This is cause for grave concern, but it was not accompanied by abusive taunting. I have never seen anyone denied a trip to the bathroom. A guard must escort people to the bathroom, so occasionally they ask people if they can wait 15 minutes until a worker is free. The bathrooms are fine. There is no source of drinking water, which I think is a major problem, especially since so many people pulled over are families with several young children. Also, every time I have been in the JFK tank, over half the people being held are not arabic but latino. I wonder if Feder was there right after two flights from the middle east had come in or something.
Fortuitously for her level of righteous indignation, Feder put her folder in the wrong pile.(it is very obvious when you walk in, one pile says "CITIZENS" one pile says "GUESTS" and they are color coded.) It is true american citizens are supposed to be seen first, perhaps this is not fair, but in Russian holding tanks, the Russians are seen first, in the EU its EU members...I am white, I am American, I have never waited in one of those tanks for more then 30 minutes, and I know I'm lucky and a 4 hour tour of that place would be no fun at all, but Feder would have a better story if she focused on problems that rang true, rather than painting the JFK holding tank as some kind of proto-Guantanamo... A huge problem that the JFK tank addresses (but that is not addressed in Boston of DC, for example) is that many people there do not speak english, so there is a strong need for workers fluent in spanish (and to hear Feder tell it, arabic and other middle eastern languages, but again, not the most authentic detail). JFK provides a number of interpreters. For me, the feel of those tanks is always to screen out foreigners with non-worker visas who are likely going to be wage earners in the US--I'm not fond of this US policy either, but I have never felt the aura of the terrorist witch hunt Feder describes.

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America is LAWLESS
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Aug 19, 2008 6:55 AM   
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They don't even respect laws in other countries.

Look what the CIA did abroad, over the years:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html

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The New Amerika
Posted by: fischbach on Aug 19, 2008 9:21 AM   
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The disdain and unprofessionalism with which minimum wage security guards treat the public is systemic. It starts from the top down. I witnessed the same attitude when I last visited the National Archives in Washington D.C. to see the Constitution (yeah, before it really disappears - and not just in a Nic Cage movie). One person was humiliated for chewing gum (not allowed). We were treated like dirt again when we were ordered to line up to wait to see the documents. It takes a village to uphold facist treatment.

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It Takes A Lot
Posted by: Godfather89 on Aug 19, 2008 9:43 AM   
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I think every American citizen should have the experience this journalist had so than that way all Americans can know just how our Government treat people abroad. It sickening and on top of that its Gestapo Shit That I do not represent. If some foreign told me that we are supporting our war, I would tell that person, its not my war, its the war of special interests, the war of those who seek maximum profit for maximum dehumanization.

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usterroristnation
Posted by: usterroristnation on Aug 19, 2008 10:06 AM   
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this is an unusual blog .... many of the sites I have visited are occupied by gung ho pro bush americans. All of you on this blog should of course realise that every website like this one is being monitored by homeland security .... its a lot worse in the US than it is in China where there is also limited human rights ... but at least they are upfront about it, unlike in present day America. Look at how they tried to prevent Michael Moore from making and showing Fahrenheit 911. It definitely is not worth visiting the US unless the trip is essential. It's far too dangerous and uncertain. In just over a decade with the corrupt dictatorial administrations of the Clintons (was there ever a viler or more evil sycophantic president/ wife team)and Bush America now finds itself isolated from the World at large. Right thinking people in America have a duty to redeem their nation by ensuring that the Bush/ Cheney/ Rumsfeld circus faces incarceration and prosecution in the US or at the very least before the International Criminal Court in Europe. After all, Saddam Hussein was executed at the behest of the American government - why can the American people not process this man and his fellow criminals through the US legal system and if found guilty execute all of them and publicise it through the international media. Nothing less will do now if the American people are ever to be trusted and respected again. To those decent honest Americans I say ... don't give up. You have lost too much already.Finally, make sure everyone you know, especially your children, gets to see the full showing of Fahrenheit 911 - it's essential viewing and make sure they are told how a dictatorial terrorist government in the US tried to prevent one of their citizens from speaking out gainst their evil regime. Good luck to you all in America ... you will need it

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» RE: usterroristnation Posted by: beautifulady2003
Rule of Law
Posted by: jadelyn22 on Aug 19, 2008 12:04 PM   
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We the People, that is what our forefathers fought and died for, our constitution and rule of law, our rights as human beings, all just about gone, now. Because of fear and hate mongering, people are willing to allow a police state, thinking, oh they are good ole boy americans like us, they won't harm a regular guy like me, I'm one of them. Right. Time to stop being afraid and hateful, time to calm down and find reasonable solutions, like adults. Time to find faith in that process, instead of freaking out and giving up all of our rights.

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We have a Presidential candidate
Posted by: SirFelix on Aug 19, 2008 3:24 PM   
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That has spent his entire life, fighting for Liberty and Freedom.

This kind of treatment from the Airports would end immediately if Ron Paul were President.

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» RE: We have a Presidential candidate Posted by: beautifulady2003
A disgrace that does not represent the whole
Posted by: Valerie on Aug 19, 2008 3:27 PM   
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The experience of Ms. Federa and the others with her that day was a terrible disgrace that should not be tolerated. It's a good thing that she posted information about the experience so that the public demands an inquiry and disciplinary action can be taken against the CBP officers involved.

However, most of the commenters are too quick to use this example as a sign that the Department of Homeland Security (or the Bush Administration, even though the two should not be conflated) is disrespectful, incompetent and unaccountable as a whole. This is unfortunate. Most organizations, especially one with 180,000 employees, have moments of which they should be less than proud. That does not mean that the entire organization is corrupt.

I felt I had to comment on this chain because I too am an American citizen who returned from a pleasure trip to Lebanon and Syria this June along with several friends of multiple nationalities and (how unfortunate that we might consider this relevant) skin tones. We encountered very pleasant CBP officers and none of us were detained. I'm very aware that anecdotal evidence proves nothing, but perhaps my anecdote can be weighed against Ms. Fedora's.

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THE TEN STEPS TO FASCISM
Posted by: 4ezmoney on Aug 19, 2008 5:24 PM   
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THE TEN STEPS TO FASCISM

1 - invoke an external and internal threat
2 - establish secret prisons
3 - develop a paramilitary force
4 - surveil ordinary citizens
5 - infiltrate citizens' groups
6 - arbitrarily detain and release citizens
7 - target key individuals
8 - restrict the press
9 - cast criticism as espionage & dissent as treason
10 - subvert the rule of law

The criminal Bush administration and its campaign against Americans fits the profile of fascism like a well worn glove.

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» RE: THE TEN STEPS TO FASCISM Posted by: colinsyme
Skeptical....but
Posted by: copaceticindeed on Aug 19, 2008 7:23 PM   
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I suspect that the author went out of her way to exaggerate her experience at the border. However, if it is all true, merely writing an article will accomplish nothing. Write your congressman, that may seem a bit simplistic but it does work. The one thing that these officers and their superiors cannot ignore is a congressional complaint. In the end, I doubt that will happen. Encouraging the ire of the "doom and gloom" crowd appears to be this articles only purpose.

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Big deal!
Posted by: TRex08 on Aug 19, 2008 8:10 PM   
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Do people responding to this story even have a vague idea the amount of travelers coming to and from the US? Given that astronomical number- the amount of travelers that are further scrutinized by CBP are .01 percent of the whole picture. This is what we're complaining about? And what would you have them do? Let travelers enter without so much as a glance? Everyone that seeks entry to our country is a complete stranger to us. If you had to decide whether someone was okay to roam our streets, what questions would you ask? If someone came to your door and knocked, would you let them in without so much as asking one question? If someone you let enter commits a crime or steals an American’s job or spreads illness- how would you feel? Everyone is a critic of police/law until they need it themselves. Then it's "where are they?" or "they didn't respond quickly enough." CBP shouldn't admit the documents a traveler presents; they should admit the person behind that document.

I have an idea- get rid of our borders and allow travelers to simply walk in and do what they please. Who cares if they don't have a passport? They can find work, get healthcare, get public education, social security, etc. If they committed a crime in their home country, so what? Let's wipe the slate. If they have a communicable disease, big deal. We'll take care of it. No place to stay? We'll find a place for you. No job? No worries. Hungry? Let's get you something to eat. Heck, let's just socialize the entire world like the "Federation" from Star Trek. We're ready for that small step aren't we?

So there are some CBP officers that are jerks. Big deal. I know doctors, lawyers, architects, teachers, bus drivers that are jerks. Name a profession and I'll find you a jerk that does it. So what else is new? I’ve also traveled abroad and have seen plenty of jerks at other border checkpoints.

As a society we’re still infants and CBP is a necessary evil. Deal with it or join up. I’m sure CBP is taking applications.

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» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
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» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
Re: Sounds a Little Embellished to me. . .
Posted by: jeandarc on Aug 19, 2008 8:33 PM   
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I sense no embellishment but do smell a cop who enjoys his/her job a bit too much when dealing with "those people". Profiling can never be right. It's what gets people pulled over and beaten for the color of their skin, after they've acted "uppity" with some uniformed, jug-headed Neanderthal.

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I won't be visiting the USA any time soon
Posted by: odie-wan on Aug 20, 2008 1:44 AM   
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I am a South African with a Muslim surname and as much as I would love to visit the USA, a fascinating country in my opinion, I will probably never do so. Frankly I am too afraid of going through US customs.

It's a shame that a country of 250 million people is being given such a bad name by a militant, power-hungry and ignorant minority. I have no doubt that there are millions of US citizens who do not condone such barbaric behaviour.

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Sorry for you, but
Posted by: Farrasoto on Aug 20, 2008 8:30 AM   
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I'm very sorry for you, but at the same time I'm glad that it happened to an American like you. I believe that you know that these things happens every time at all USA airport, even in their overseas territories, with foreigner nationals from even bona fide USA allies countries.

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DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mike777 on Aug 20, 2008 9:45 AM   
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I feel a problem in this country is the cowardess and overreaction to anything that happens. This writer states what a terror the officers at JFK were, describing thier actions,as if they were in a bad cop show, digging in his molars, and eating his sandwich and sneering at the people. Give me a break! Thier job is to PROTECT ths country form drugs, narcotics, illegals with fake documents, and yes terrorists! After 9/11 all of america cried where was the security, how could this happen, how could these people get into the country. You got what you wanted, everyone is suspect now, Becuase you people cried about profiling. So now everyone has to be treated equally to try and weed out the few bad apples that might caise another problem and kill thousands of people. If they didn't stop her and all of the other people, you will all cry in outrage about how another 9/11 happened, and Syria is a known terrorist supporting country, so a visit thier might raise some questions. So BOO HOO HOO, if you feel violated and scared, don't travel.

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Something negative about JFK? How shocking
Posted by: laurennn on Aug 20, 2008 2:11 PM   
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I also had a bad experience at that airport involving homeland security. It wasn't nearly as bad as yours, although I was shocked about how rude the guy at customs was. I'm an American who, like a good amount of the population, has tattoos and piercings. I don't have a huge amount, although my most obvious piercing is my septum. When I was going through it, the guy commented on my piercing, which basically was him asking if I felt that having the piercing was really necessary. I responded that it wasn't, it's just something I enjoy having. His final remark was that it made me look like a bull and made me look like less of a person. I had just come off an 11-hour flight and it was 3:00am so it really didn't register that i was just mocked by a person who is basically welcoming people to and back to America. If he treats fellow countrymen like that then I really don't want to know how he treats the American "enemy" du jour.

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disabled victim of US feds
Posted by: eagleseye on Aug 20, 2008 2:33 PM   
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my story is that I was & still am a prisoner of federal investigation that's lasting 20 years so far. this situation of terror-war of ours gave my ass-feds investigators more zeal and crap to spread around me so that they can sniff out the suspects/criminals much easier. I am feeling like a POW-prisoner of war due to the methods of fed's spying on me. pure hell is what I'm into and I call them (the feds) to their faces as "devils in Human form" and I'm saddly to say correct!!

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Saddened
Posted by: anonymous1234 on Aug 20, 2008 3:48 PM   
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Emily, I think that is the authors name. I will admit, I am not as versed as you in my writing skills, but I am however saddened by your article. Yes, there are problems with our immigration system in the U.S.A. Problems that articles like the one you wrote only bring negativity toward. On a daily basis thousands, if not millions of people enter the U.S.A without delay, without problem and without complaint. The problem is that along with those people there are some that would love to come into this country and do us harm, ALL OF US. So unfortunately there are instances that people are detained, questioned and delayed for the safety and security for the entire country. I was not in JFK at the time of this incident, but I am an officer (not a guard, as you say) with the agency you question. Everyday good men and women fight a battle to keep our country safe from all enimies, foriegn and domestic, yes that is right domestic. Many times making a decision in seconds that could effect all of us. We have people living here, visiting here, and plotting here, that would do us harm. The beauty of our country, the one I work for, live for, and would die for is that you are able to write such an article, I am able to respond to such an article, and neither of us are imprisioned or put to death for this. But if you do the work in which you say, in the countries you say you have visited you would see that may not always be the case. You may not always be able to voice your opinion. So now that my little rant is over let me just say, since 9/11 our country has changed, and not always for the better, but if we learn to be a little more patient, a little more cooperative, and understand that freedom isn't always free, then and only then will the system change and hopefully become one where we can live in peace.

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This was not TSA!!!!
Posted by: mstenger on Aug 20, 2008 4:45 PM   
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These guards were not part of TSA. They may have been part of the Dept of Homeland Security in Customs, but they were not TSA. I am a transportation security officer for TSA, and this is not what we do, nor are we armed! Also, we do not profile people or inspect VISAS. We check PASSPORTS only for identification along with boarding passes. Not all TSOs are courteous and respectful, I know, but the majority of us take our jobs seriously and want to keep people from being blown out of the sky! I agree that the above incident was absolutely horrible, but TSA is not responsible for this.

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» RE: This was not TSA!!!! Posted by: YogiBear
A Disgrace!
Posted by: zippoflash on Aug 20, 2008 5:54 PM   
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This is a disgrace! First of all these fascist thugs need their asses kicked out of these jobs. Second of all, and much worse is that these thugs know they can get away with what they do. Get rid of Homeland Security. It's time to end this climate of fear and kowtowing to the little cretins that get off on it.

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Fuck the USA. US government and its population is evil
Posted by: marxistsocialist on Aug 20, 2008 8:44 PM   
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USA is an evil nation !!


americans are evil bastards and one day god will show them a servere punishment tramps they havent even got a country, but a corporation. they have to steal other people country....and they came from the monkeys and pigs

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Don't come to USA, americans are evil, full of hatred and greed
Posted by: marxistsocialist on Aug 20, 2008 8:48 PM   
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I am waiting to move out of this damned country, most americans are psychopaths, not only the US government but the whole US population is crazy, evil and satanic. If you are outside of USA, dont come here, americans evolved from monkeys and pigs

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Tyranny. Here We Go Again!
Posted by: littlepear on Aug 21, 2008 4:42 AM   
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Article I

Section 9.
...The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

The public servant U.S. government seized the opportunity of 9/11 to suspend Habeas Corpus in the name of Homeland Security.

Now the U.S. federal government can do whatever they want to you, including torture, unlawful detainment... and they don't even have to tell you why they are detaining you.

Once they disarm us, we will see absolute Tyranny.

Please study the U.S. Constitution and check which liberties we have surrendered in the name of Homeland Security. You will be appalled.

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Maybe NOW you will OBEY!!!!NEVER!
Posted by: The Big Raven on Aug 21, 2008 6:28 AM   
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I really feel for the real loosers like the slobs who work for homeland sercurity or the nut jobs who voted for bush or the MANY ignorant americans who beleives anything thier goverment tells them.
Sorry to say but your all getting screwed into your next war. And when your all screaming for revenge because someone has had enough of your truly ignorant behaviors and they do something stupid and your goverment lets them attack you AGAIN or even takes part in what ever your evil greedy pretend leaders lets them do to more inocents dont come crying to me.
Peace only happens when ya work for it.

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Watch the difference between US capitalist hell and humanist Korea
Posted by: marxistsocialist on Aug 21, 2008 7:46 AM   
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WATCH THE DIFFERENCES IN THIS VIDEO BETWEEN AMERICAN CAPITALIST HELL AND THE HUMANIST DEMOCRATIC KOREAN SOCIETY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UNAEyqQc7Q

This documentary movie objectively shows the fondamental difference between the criminal capitalist system of "USA" that is at odds with human rights and the genuinely benevolent Juche-based man-centered Korean-style socialist system of the Democratic people's Republic of Korea blessed with the flawless Songun leadership of Dear Leader Comrade Generalissimo Kim Jong Il the Heaven-born great brilliant Mt. Paektu type general born on the Sacred Mountain.

While "America" is the Hell on Earth for its people, living in a land of consumerist exploitation by the criminal capitalist Bush clique of hawkish warmongers who are the worst human rights violators in humankind history, suffer the intense political and social oppression awash with crime, guns, violence, prostitution, drug trafficking, murder and jaywalking, the DPRK is the utopian socialist worker's paradise of fully garanteed democratic freedoms and protected human rights providing the full enjoyment and fulfillment of a life filled with the single-minded unity of the nation in unbound loyalty and deep reverence for the Leader who is more precious than their own lives.

This is why "America" is Hell, but the DPRK is Paradise.

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Scotmana
Posted by: Scotman on Aug 21, 2008 11:16 AM   
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Terrorism is "causing mass terror", and in all honesty I know of no one that spreads mass terror like America. That became clear to me after reading this.

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» RE: Scotmana Posted by: Dboy
One Little Slice of Irony I found in this Story
Posted by: Jayzer on Aug 21, 2008 3:04 PM   
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While I found most of what Emily Feder had to say about her ordeal at JFK Airport on her return from Syria to be appalling and also believable, I did notice one slice of irony.

When she finally got fed up and started asking questions and lodging complaints, it appeared that the Homeland Security goons finally decided that since she's a US citizen, she should have been "processed" first.

I couldn't help but wonder if it was a simple national chauvinistic reflex: i.e., our compadres come before the "furriners" or whether they figured it would be less of a headache to deal with US citizens first because Americans (at least those not totally sheep-like) are used to asserting their rights. In other words, maybe they decided that they would have an easier time of it if they could deal with those more likely to demand their rights and get them "out of the way" before turning their attention to those too easily intimidated (and perhaps unaware that they even have rights) and doing whatever they please with them.

I doubt if anyone can actually answer this, but perhaps Emily or someone else would care to venture an opinion on just why this is.

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» Little Slice Posted by: YogiBear
Even Worse: been put into a maximum security prison for not having a visa !
Posted by: Luxx on Aug 21, 2008 5:56 PM   
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America is becoming the saddest place on earth , was, is, all along

True story a friend of mine (thousands actually had the same fate) was put into a Maximum Security Prison in buffalo (Batavia) ! http://www.ice.gov/pi/dro/facilities/buffalo.htm

the humor of the devil ! it's called a Detention Facility !

Even worse they show on TV those detainees (in blue) as criminals !!! in fact it's immigration related, why the hell they are put into a maximum security prison in the 1st place !

Where's the humanity ! just for not having a VISA ! (he was taken there forcibly by the Canadians, long story)

Nobody even, I belive, knows about the grim reality of this , here's another guy had the same fate
Mohamed Cherfi
http://www.pmm.qc.ca/bledi/en/timeline.htm
"March 5, 2004
Mohamed Cherfi is dragged out of sanctuary by Quebec City Police and handed over to U.S. authorities. He is transferred to a maximum security prison in Batavia, close to Buffalo, N.Y."

Is their voice will ever be heard ! basically it's Human Rights Violation in it's worst

http://ipsnitch.net/

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Everywhere A Terrorist
Posted by: karinkdf82 on Aug 22, 2008 5:47 PM   
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Latest USA Today headline: "Terror Watch List Hits One Million Names"

"If this were a dictatorship, It'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.-George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Dec. 19, 2000. From About.com: Politiacl Humor

Courtesy of the most inane individual to ever scootch his butt across the Oval Office carpet. Amazing. It's like being intimidated by Forest Gump. People - its time to get confrontational each and every time an incident like this happens. This isn't about homeland security. It's about Bush thinking he's Grand Pubah.

And where is Congress? Is there nobody in the vicinity of the Congressional chambers who can help them find their spines?

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Abu JFKaib - America's KGB
Posted by: Snowpuppy on Aug 23, 2008 12:09 AM   
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From America the Attacked to America The Shameful

The Department of Homeland Security is an abberration - a twisted mockery of what a security team should be doing.

Security should talk to people, look them in the eye, ask firm but polite questions as necessary - then let them move on.

But DHS is adept at treating people like crap, making enemies of visitors, and making American citizens utterly ashamed of this country.

They are applying soft-glove Abu Graib techniques at JFK. Generating humiliation, fear - but leaving people's clothes on, as far as we know. I won't speculate further at this time.

The citizens who were attacked on 9/11 are now treated as suspects by an overreaching police force called DHS (America's KGB?).

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article in state newspaper in Australia about a man being stopped by homeland security in an airport
Posted by: ln9108 on Aug 24, 2008 4:36 AM   
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I read this the other day and found this article a few days after on my local newspaper website, which is about an Australian guy being stopped at a US airport on suspision of being a terrorist.

It really makes you wonder doesn't it?

Here is the link to the article on www.couriermail.com.au

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An alternet opinion
Posted by: expat201107 on Aug 24, 2008 8:00 PM   
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Folks,

I am always very sorry to hear when someone has a bad experience in the USA. I am an American and very proud of that. And I welcome new friends to visit us.

However, we are under attack from every direction. Terrorists use our kindness, our open heartedness to waltz into our country and destroy us.

When the next attack comes (and it will), it will be this same group of complainers that say, where was Homeland security? Where was the FBI? Why wasn't I protected??

I travel alot. I have been to some very inhospitable places. Even in some hospitable countries (Pakistan, Israel, etc), the treatment for foreign nationals that are possible security threats is the same or WORSE. And there are NO apologies for that. Priority #1 one is the safety of the people in that country.

Americans, we need to grow up. The world is a nasty place where bad things happend to the nicest people. The only way to keep us safe in our own country is to ZEALOUSLY guard ourselves.

Again - apologies to anyone that has suffered. Keep in mind Homeland security is comprised of peple with only a brief training period and paid very little usually. I am white skinned American and I have been treated less than politely numerous times. My aoplogies go especially naturalized patriotic citizens. You have my respect and appreciation for adopting my home country as your own. I hope you prosper and enjoy America. Regards.

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Posted by: usterroristnation on Aug 25, 2008 6:40 AM   
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UPDATE ...yep them good ole yankees have gone an done an about turn...hallelujah ! They have admitted the death and destruction by bombing of 79 Afghan people going about their business - they say it was a "mistake" and "regret" the incident. Well, that should make it alright then ! Torture duty anybody ?

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Protecting the US from terrorists - and from registered nurses
Posted by: GaryDavis on Aug 25, 2008 9:26 AM   
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The Department of Homeland Security can, and routinely does, harrass not just suspected terrorists but all kinds of people, with little or no foundation. My girlfriend, a middle-aged registered nurse, came from her home in Asia to San Francisco last month. She was interrogated at customs at SFO airport, and the customs agents suspected that she might be thinking about immigrating instead of just visiting, so ...

she was held for 24 hours, confined to a chair (all night) with almost no food, and subjected to continual abuse including both sexual and racial harassment. In one minute they challenged her ability to finance her trip, and the next minute they ridiculed her designer clothes and Rolex watch. She was denied access to a lawyer; she was denied any outside contact or assistance. Finally she was coerced to sign a release form - without being allowed to read it - and shipped out on the next flight home.

As a final insult: during a layover stop on the flight home, the airline assigned an armed guard to my friend, to ensure that she couldn't escape or something - and the airline demanded that she pay the cost to hire her guard.

This is not an isolated incident: it happens routinely and often. It is triggered based solely on the judgement of any individual customs agent, from which there is, by law, no appeal to anyone anywhere. Any visitor to the US is assumed, by law, to have "immigrant intent" - in other words, anyone entering on a "visitor" visa is presumed to be committing fraud by entering as a visitor and intending to stay, unless they can convince the customs agent that they are a legitimate visitor. And that's a very subjective judgement, to put it mildly.

You can't blame the law on the Bush administration; it was passed in 1952. But the Bush adminstration has used it much more aggressively than previous administrations.

Here's another such story, from a reasonably reliable source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/us/14visa.html
A lawyer from Italy was stopped at JFK airport and held in jail for ten days without charges, and was released only when the New York Times started asking about him.

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