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Rights and Liberties

Doubts Remain About Anthrax Story

By Stephen Kiehl, The Baltimore Sun. Posted August 6, 2008.


Survivors and relatives of those killed by anthrax attacks aren't buying the FBI's account that government scientist Bruce Ivins was responsible.
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Survivors of the 2001 anthrax attacks and relatives of those killed by the deadly powder said yesterday that they want a full accounting from the FBI of its investigation to date, and they are not yet convinced that Bruce Ivins, the government scientist who killed himself last week, was responsible. Federal authorities are expected to meet this week with the victims' families in Washington to discuss their investigation, after which the FBI could close its nearly seven-year-old anthrax case and publicly release its findings. But with reports emerging that the case against Ivins is largely circumstantial, some wonder if real closure will ever come.

"I don't know whether this is the right person or not," said Maureen Stevens, the widow of Robert Stevens, a photo editor at the Sun, a supermarket tabloid, who was the first killed in the fall 2001 attacks. Stevens said she has gone to Washington twice before for meetings, but nothing came of them. She said she received an e-mail from the FBI informing her of this week's meeting.

"I don't know if we'll hear anything from them that will convince me that they've gotten to the bottom of it," Stevens said.

Ivins died last Tuesday after federal investigators had spent a year watching his house near Fort Detrick in Frederick, following him, and interviewing him and his colleagues at the U.S Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases. Ivins' lawyer has said the scientist was innocent.

"I think he's a convenient fall guy. They can say, 'OK, we found him, case closed, we're going home,'" said Dr. Kenneth W. Hedlund, the former chief of bacteriology at Fort Detrick who hired Ivins. "The FBI apparently applied a lot of pressure to all the investigators there [at Detrick], and they found the weakest link."

The FBI has not yet said how it was able to connect Ivins to the attacks.

But the Los Angeles Times and Wall Street Journal, relying in part on unnamed sources, reported that investigators employing new technology were able to find a genetic link between the specific anthrax strain recovered from the letters and the bodies of victims and the one found in an office and other "nonlaboratory space" where Ivins worked in 2001.

The New York Times reported that investigators intensively questioned his children, Andrew and Amanda, now both 24. One former colleague, Dr. W. Russell Byrne, said the agents pressed Ivins' daughter repeatedly to acknowledge that her father was involved in the attacks.

"It was not an interview," Byrne said. "It was a frank attempt at intimidation."

Byrne said he believed Ivins was singled out partly because of his personal weaknesses. "If they had real evidence on him, why did they not just arrest him?"

The Associated Press, quoting unnamed government sources, reported yesterday that Ivins had a lengthy obsession with the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority, which has a chapter house near the Princeton, N.J., mailbox from which the anthrax letters were sent. However, the report says the FBI can't place Ivins in Princeton the day the letters were mailed.

Hedlund said Ivins was a bacteriologist and lacked the expertise to convert the anthrax into the deadly form that was used in the 2001 mailings to government offices and newsrooms.

Rep. Rush Holt, who represents the central New Jersey district where the anthrax letters were mailed, said circumstantial evidence is not enough, especially after the series of mistakes made in this case. The FBI spent years investigating Steven J. Hatfill, another scientist who worked in the same lab as Ivins. The government recently agreed to pay a $5.82 million settlement to Hatfill.

Holt sent a letter to FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III asking that Mueller appear before Congress to provide an account of the investigation.

"One of the reasons they need to lay this out is so that the public can be confident that they are protected," Holt, a Democrat, said in an interview yesterday. "The post office workers, the general public, the local police - they are all owed an explanation. They would like to have closure."

David Hose, 65, contracted anthrax while working at a mail facility in Sterling, Va. He said he didn't believe Ivins was responsible for the attacks, nor does he have any faith in the FBI's ability to close the case.

"They just mumble and bumble around," he said. "It's like a TV show."

Sun reporter Frank Roylance contributed to this article.

Copyright 2008, The Baltimore Sun

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This is nothing! A piece of cake
Posted by: Artkansas on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM   
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This death reminds me of Stanley Motss. After reading the initial reports and the reports of his suicide, I sent a link to my ex wife who used to be a coroner. Her comment was that he picked a particularly difficult method. I'm afraid, it certainly seems like things are being swept under the carpet. These are reports from a government that has shown no regards for truth and the willingness to senselessly murder people for it's own agenda. All I can say is "Wag the Dog".

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» RE: This is nothing! A piece of cake Posted by: peacefullaim
Bush, anthrax breath himself
Posted by: weathered on Aug 6, 2008 2:37 AM   
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had so much help w/the totality of the crimes 9/11 wrought its enough to scare Stephen King.

Arrest Silverstein/Bushcon and heal or stay stuck in Lies.

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Cheney
Posted by: socialpsych on Aug 6, 2008 3:45 AM   
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"I think he's a convenient fall guy. They can say, 'OK, we found him, case closed, we're going home,'" said Dr. Kenneth W. Hedlund, the former chief of bacteriology at Fort Detrick who hired Ivins. "

Wasn't it obvious in 2001 that the anthrax attacks were ordered by the Vice President's office as a means of intimidating (or eliminating) the Democratic leadership and the news media? The objective was to get complete compliance with the Cheney-Bush program of occupying Iraqi oil fields and controlling Afghanistan to build an oil pipeline.

Isn't it obvious that the FBI is now doing Cheney's political dirty work to "close the case" before Bush and Cheney are replaced next January and will be vulnerable themselves to investigation and prosecution?

Bush and Cheney aren't geniuses. They are simply so bad that it's hard to believe, and that's how they've operated all along.

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Incompetency (Not Conspiracy)
Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 6, 2008 4:09 AM   
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More incompetency by this administration. That's the story.

I do agree,however,with Cong Rush Holt of New Jersey that full hearings should be held.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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» RE: Incompetency (Not Conspiracy) Posted by: drricklippin
» Incompetence Theories don't cut it. Posted by: manatthewindow
» RE: Incompetence Theories don't cut it. Posted by: manatthewindow
» RE: Yeah, I agree Posted by: PakiBoy
Politic of conspiracy
Posted by: citizenjoe on Aug 6, 2008 4:36 AM   
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I don't think the politics of conspiracies lead anywhere but to frustration, in part, because we can never have confirmation of our suspicions and in part because it does not rest on understanding the politics of the people who are allegedly conspiring. Of course, this does not mean that we should have no private opinions about whether the butler or the lord did it. To me it seems very likely that the Bush-Rove camp is deeply implicated in these crimes. The crimes fit their modus operandi perfectly. They had a powerful motivation to commit them, and they work very hard to cover them up.Moreover, these people have no morality and claim to be above the law. It seems to me that any detective would be working on a conviction.

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The Wrong Focus
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Aug 6, 2008 5:29 AM   
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What do the Kennedy assassination and the Martin Luther King Assassination have in common with 9/11 and the wars in Vietnam and Iraq?

All have spawned what the government and media call conspiracy theories and all have spawned half-hearted investigations that made headlines but resolved nothing. In each case there are individuals who dedicate their lives to finding out the truth of what happened.

A common factor in all of these events is that the executive branch announces and propagandizes their favorite view of events and, despite the fact that this is supposed to be a government of, by and for the people, the people are just supposed to accept the proclamation without asking any questions.

If someone has the temerity to question the official word then that person is ridiculed as a wearer of a tin-foil hat. It seems to me that there is something structurally wrong here.

What is wrong, of course, is that Congress and the media fail to do their jobs. As our representatives, Congress has the power and obligation to conduct oversight, to investigate and make sure that the executive branch is really telling it like it is. The media is supposed to serve as a second check on things, but the fact is that both the media and the Congress are preoccupied with other issues such as maintaining access or preparing for re-election. They just do not perform as they should.

I don't know what the right way might be to correct this problem, but I do think that this structural defect in our government is the problem that should concern us more than getting to the bottom one one or another particular scandal.

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» RE: The Wrong Focus Posted by: Lauren
» RE: The Wrong Focus Posted by: Cybershaman
» How? Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
Local Media
Posted by: kitty1967 on Aug 6, 2008 6:22 AM   
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I live in the same town as this scientist, and work with some of the same organizations at Ft. Detrick as a civilian contractor. The local media has been printing 1-2 stories a day on this guy, his family, friends, colleagues since he passed away last week. The picture painted of Dr. Ivins by his colleagues is one that is entirely different than what you see on CNN/MSNBC/FOX. Many people in the community here doubt seriously that the FBI had their guy, and this is all a cover-up.

Local crime database checks on the "psychologist/social worker" Duley reveal that she's not qualified to work without supervision, has had several of her own drug/alcohol addiction related convictions, etc.

I'm glad to see that this general concensus is getting more than just local coverage.

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» RE: Local Media Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Local Media Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Local Media Posted by: aussidawg
WMD
Posted by: logic on Aug 6, 2008 6:39 AM   
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Anthrax is a WMD. The lab is on american soil. How many world countries have the same agenda on this that we just took on Iraq?

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» RE: WMD Posted by: weathered
» RE: WMD Posted by: manatthewindow
Doubts remain simply because the TRUTH
Posted by: madmax427 on Aug 6, 2008 6:48 AM   
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is being kept from the People! This is such a obvious frame up that DOUBT will never go away! the "FBI" hounds this Guy, AFTER wasting time on another Guy They couldn't drive to suicide, destroying His mental health and supposedly results in His committing suicide so They can CLAIM He did it, while the Real culprit(s) get off scot free!

The days of Eliot Ness, IF there WERE any beyond the T.V. Show, have long been replaced with the tactics of the Nazi SS. And the Defense to My comment: He's a 'Conspiracy Nut' as if that makes My comment totally unbelievable! The SAD part about that is, People will Believe it!

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Dr. Ivins didn't have the skills to do this.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 6, 2008 7:58 AM   
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There's no evidence that Dr. Ivins, a microbiologist, had the skills necessary to turn the pathogen into an inhalable powder.

Dr. Ivins was a vaccine specialist, which is a branch of microbiology, not a specialist in aerosol physics.

Only someone with a background in aerosol physics could be responsible for the anthrax mailings.

Thus, this leads me to conclude that he was setup by the FBI for a crime he did not and could not commit.

So, what's really going on here? I don't know, but this story stinks to high heaven.

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Alledged suicide
Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 6, 2008 8:40 AM   
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There can be no certainty in a case where the death of the subject is so convenient for people so powerful and ruthless. It seems entirely possible that his death was precipitated by an imminent failure to win an indictment, rather than an imminent indictment. Particularly suspicious is the standard "he was depressed" from the social worker who is the key "witness" for the government's case, and whose personality assessment of the subject is so at odds with everyone else who knew him.

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The Truman Show Goes On and On
Posted by: D. Shenary on Aug 6, 2008 9:36 AM   
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The Truman Show just goes on and on. After reading the latest news stories about the anthrax attacks of 2001, it seems all of a sudden that a new suspect (Bruce E. Ivins) has been identified, but unfortunately he committed suicide so we won't be able to question him or his motives. Dr. Steven Hatfill was the government's prime suspect for over seven years but was cleared by the Justice Department recently and received $5.8 million for his troubles. Here is a quote from one of the news releases:

"Ivins worked at the Army's biological warfare defense labs at Fort Detrick, Md. for 35 years until his death on Tuesday. He was one of the government's leading scientists researching vaccines and cures for anthrax exposure. But he also had a long history of homicidal threats, according to papers filed last week in local court by a social worker."

Now let's see what is wrong with this picture and or the FBI is so incompetent that field agents are lucky to find their way home at night with or without a GPS device.

For seven years, the FBI investigates Dr. Hatfill as the prime suspect while ignoring Ivins with a long history of homicidal threats. Seems ridiculous to me. Yes, and of coarse, we are reassured that the very people working on plagues for our government just happen to be homicidal sociopaths. But then who would suspect a simple homicidal sociopath? Certainly not the FBI at least not for six or seven years.

Here is another quoted absurdity: "Authorities were investigating whether Ivins, who had complained about the limits of testing anthrax drugs on animals, had released the toxin to test the treatment on humans." Apparently, Dr. Ivins wanted to test the anthrax on political humans and members of the press. He just happened to select Senators Daschle, Leahy, and Finegold by accident! These three were voicing the greatest opposition to the passage of the patriot act at the time. He also went after the Sun/Times of Florida, a supermarket tabloid in Boca Raton, Fl. This paper had the nasty habit of writing negative stories about the Bush daughters at the time. Seems also like a good place to test the toxin to see if it works in a sunny hot southern clime. Anthrax spores were also sent to NBC, ABC and the New York Post as cover.

It seems that Dr. Ivins did all of this field testing of anthrax in 2001 and then later in 2003 he received the Decoration for Exceptional Civilian Service, the highest honor given to Defense Department civilian employees. This award is often given out to homicidal sociopaths, but then again homicidal sociopaths in the Defense Department – sounds like this actually has a ring of truth to it.

The important thing to remember is that Dr. Ivins is dead and the case can now be closed because the FBI after seven long years got their man or at least their man got to himself with an overdose of Tylenol 3 with codeine. You would think that a biology PHD could find a better overdose choice than Tylenol 3, but at least they were handy. And the Truman show goes on and on!

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FBI the real criminals
Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 6, 2008 9:54 AM   
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This man was murdered by the FBI. They ran up to his son and offered him 2.5 million and a new sports car if he'd testify against his Dad, according to today's Washington Post. They followed he and his family everywhere, shouting threats before he was even indicted or charged with anything. Of course who benefitted from the anthrax attacks? This poor scientist or the man Hatfill who was previously harassed and ruined? No. The Bush intelligence and war operation benefitted. The Anthrax scare was like Hitler's use of attacks on Nazi officials to intensify his secret police surveillance and his smashing of what civil liberties existed in Germany. The same occurred here. We have intelligence agencies and the FBI out of civilian control. I've yet to hear either Obama or McCain indicate that they think anything is amiss with the FBI or with the privacy rights of US citizens.

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If you look into the events of 9/11/01
Posted by: LeftWright on Aug 6, 2008 10:29 AM   
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you will find that there is no credible evidence supporting the government's account of what happened that day, either.

None, as in ZERO.

Almost seven years have passed and still no real investigation, why?

It's time to call the charade what it is, brothers and sisters, and take our country back from the sociopaths that hijacked it long ago.

The truth shall set us free.

Love is the only way forward.

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Fort Detrick's anthrax mystery
Posted by: saadasim on Aug 6, 2008 3:55 PM   
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amazon

salaon

whatreallyhappened

If you had gone back in time to October-November 2001 and told everybody that the "Praise Allah" anthrax letters would eventually be traced back to a US Army Research Lab and a top-level US scientist, they would have called you an America-hating conspiracy-nutter.

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Another convenient suicide? Like Deborah Palfrey!
Posted by: common intelligence on Aug 6, 2008 6:24 PM   
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Alternet as well as the Mainstream media have been using the term suicide, but no one has said what type of suicide Bruce did him self in as.

I have grave doubts this was a suicide for that simple matter. ( Of course now that "I" have raised the question someone will reveal an answer).

But just as Deborah Palfrey is alleged to have hung herself, in a trailer no doubt, which beside the location, is the most far reaching method a woman would ever do, to herself, I seriously doubt the medias report that Bruce commited suicide at all.

It is all too curious that anyone that might have a significant thing to reveal about the scullduggary that is a metastasizing cancer in all that is of the neocon machine, somehow dies before they can be brought to any civil disclosure forum.

Even Saddam Hussein was removed from the possibility to testify before a world court. There he would have been able to reveal how the U.S. supported his governance, that would have thereby uncovered a whole can of nasty worms the CIA, etc. would not want the world to know.

Mean while Carl the Turd Bloosum Rove is still at large. (As well as the usual suspects), And it seems the whole impeachment thing is again a flag in the broom closet.

I personally hail Deborah Palfrey as an unsung heroine, whom because of her media notoriety, will not be given the light of day.
Because after all she was just a prostitute.
But like any prositute she knew Names!

Oh, one more thing. The media , approved press releases, is leading the public lie by saying "Bruce Ivins was the one or one of the ones that had access to the Anthrax".
But lets not forget to realize SO does the CIA!

What makes anyone think that the CIA isn't part of the cover up and the Machine that engineered the whole 911/Pearl Harbor call to arms and invasion of IRAQ?

As the lies get compounded on top of each other the truth is burried along, too.

When all the one responsible for the 911 attrocity are dead and gone the future generations will be oblivious to even care.

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I have questions....
Posted by: woodford54 on Aug 7, 2008 11:28 AM   
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All I know about this story is what I saw on c-span this morning, but I have some questions:
1. As someone who has taken the drug Celexa, which Ivins was supposed to be taking, I know that Celexa and other SSRI's can make some people do some very, very strange things that they normally wouldn't do. Suicide is one of them. 2. I'm not convinced it WAS a suicide and not a homicide. A person who has been diagnosed w/depression makes a GREAT scapegoat/fallguy. 3. Does anyone believe that if Ivins was involved he was acting alone and not as a tool of some government or quasi-government organization? 4. Wasn't it EXTREMELY convenient that they found those little poems he supposedly wrote about both of his personalities? 4. And, if he did have multiple personalities, wouldn't that have made him a perfect pawn? You take anyone who is on meds for depression and supposedly write poems from one personality to the other and you can easily stamp "case closed" on that file. It's all just a little toooooooo easy. What do you think?

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FBI enabled his suicide
Posted by: whealeydj on Aug 18, 2008 3:40 AM   
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by not arresting after he was discharged from mental hospital after his social worker turned him in. At least two othe were driven off deep end by FBI during the investigation. I hope Leahy and Holt insist on an investigation of the Ivins case and particularly whether hew was capable of 2nd attack and hostile to liberal Democrats. my own suspicion is Ivins might have done 1st attack but someone on the Dark Side like Darth Cheney minion used 9/11 and 9/18 to insure passage of Patriot Act by targeting powerful and troublesome Dems.

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