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Going Undercover at Mad Pastor Hagee's Christians United for Israel Summit

By Ali Gharib, AlterNet. Posted July 26, 2008.


There was nothing moderate about the fundamentalist, apocalyptic, Christian-right ideology of the attendants and speakers at the CUFI conference.
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For Christians United for Israel and its founder, John Hagee, this year's Washington-Israel Summit was supposed to serve as a rallying call for Christians to stand up for Israel. The controversies surrounding Hagee's teachings that inspire his politics, particularly his End Times theology and its implications for the Jews he purports to love and protect and his religious interpretations of the Catholic Church and Hitler, were meant to take a backseat to the conference's aims of demonstrating political support for Israel and actions against its enemies.

Hagee did not want the events at this year's summit to be brought to the wider public. All but one event in the two-day session at the cavernous Washington Convention Center were closed to the press. Press passes were issued to Tuesday's Night to Honor Israel -- a bizarre fete attended by an announced crowd of 5,000 -- but access to participants and speakers by journalists was strictly monitored and restricted. The reasons became abundantly clear in the question-and-answer session after the first panel, when a woman asked how she would know if it was time to start up a "Christian militia" to return the country to conservative values. "Let's not use the term militia," Hagee responded, firmly establishing a thread that could be observed over both days of meetings: Control the message.

Armed with a full-fledged participant's pass and a Christians United for Israel (CUFI) notepad included in my registration pack, I attended both full days of the summit undercover and spoke freely with participants and speakers. The picture that emerged was very different from the one put on for the world on Tuesday night. Message control was constantly stressed to participants to conceal some of the more controversial themes of Hagee's teachings and theology. But in candid interviews, conducted both as a fellow participant and as a member of the press, Hagee's fervent following stayed on message with the full spectrum of his teachings, not just those slices made available publicly.

Away from the watchful eye of Hagee's Manhattan PR firm (many interviews with participants were broken up), some summit attendees, despite specific and repeated instructions not to talk to the press, were eager to discuss the End Times -- a belief in final judgment and the end of the World -- and what it meant for Jews.

Attendee Dean "Vernon" Melvin of New Mexico told me about Jesus' second coming and the subsequent end of the world. "When Jesus returns in the sky above us," he said, "those of us who are already saved and have died will come up out of our graves and go into the sky with him."

Randy Driskill divided Jews into only two categories: "The Orthodox believe that their messiah hasn't come yet. The messianic think Jesus is their savior."

The "Orthodox Jews," said Driskill, had "scales over their eyes. They're blinded by scales right now," he told me with a deadly serious look on his face. "That's why they don't accept Christ." Ironically, a Google search of "scales," "eyes" and "Jews" quickly turned up a passage from Hitler's Mein Kampf in which he declares that when he saw that Jews headed up Vienna's Social Democrats, "the scales dropped from (his) eyes."

Hagee teaches that during the "End of Days" leading up to the end of the world, many Jews will accept Jesus, presumably after the scales fall off their eyes. Melvin was more explicit about just what would happen to the Jews who didn't: "Some of the Jews will perish and be going to hell."

While Hagee tries to distance his eschatology from his support for Israel, it bears mentioning that the two are actually inexorably linked. In early 2007, Hagee participated in a conference call with bloggers and denied that eschatology plays any part in his support for Israel. But as Bruce Wilson, who monitors the religious right on the blog Talk2Action, pointed out in April:

Pastor Hagee's words were directly contradicted by literature from Hagee's San Antonio Cornerstone Church magazine, which exhorts readers to "Become a Part of the Fulfillment of Prophecy" by sending money to help Jews resettle in Israel. It is standard to Christian Apocalyptic Premillennial Dispensationalist eschatology that Jews must be encouraged to return to Israel where, according to the prophetic tradition, most of them will be killed in the Tribulation, Apocalypse and battle of Armageddon except for a "remnant," generally held to number 144,000 Jews who have converted to Christianity, who will survive and serve as evangelical "super-Billy Grahams" who will convert all of humanity, surviving the expected (nuclear) end-times conflict, to Christianity.

It was, in fact, part of this form of eschatology that got Hagee in hot water earlier this year and caused the presumptive Republican nominee for president, John McCain, to publicly repudiate Hagee and renounce his long-sought endorsement. In audio of a sermon released on the Internet by Wilson, Hagee expressed a view that Hitler had been a tool of God to fulfill a prophecy from the Book of Jeremiah in which God sends "hunters" after the Jews to drive them into the Holy Land. Hagee said the passage of scripture "describe(s) what Hitler did in the Holocaust."


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» Whats really important Posted by: carbon-based
Hey guess what..? There ain't no Rapture..!
Posted by: TJColatrella on Jul 26, 2008 10:04 PM   
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I got news for these poor pathetic mislead people...

There is no pre-Tribulation Rapture...

It was all made up by a preacher named Darcy in 1805...

There is in scripture the raising of the martyrs and saints but that's a specific number of 144,000 and that the Martyrs and Saints since either the time of Jesus or even going back further so don't you count on being among them...

These idiots will help cause Armageddon and that they'll be beamed up heaven without dying because their America and Republican and root for the Dallas Cowboys or some other stupidity..

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Get On Your Knees and Prey With Me...
Posted by: ranchero42 on Jul 26, 2008 11:05 PM   
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There's a reason why they are known as a "flock" We should thank Hay, Gee for herding whacko nut jobs in off the streets for us. I think I'll draw the line short of donating, though.

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It's all about control
Posted by: SemiDiscerning on Jul 27, 2008 12:06 AM   
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Thank you. Very good article. I was begining to think that the latest CUFI conference had been so well controlled that there would not be any reports issued other than something managed by Hagee, or 5W. Some of the returning Cornerstone attendees said that they had felt stiffled by all of the instructions to avoid anything that would even remotely, or potentially, draw a hint of negativity towards Pastor Hagee / CUFI. It seems that the recent heat generated by various blogs, reportage of some of Hagee's more outrageous sermons / pronouncements, etc., plus negative items in some of the Jewish press, created a fear factor among Pastor Hagee's handlers. Enough so that hurried revisions were made to the CUFI program, some announced speakers were dropped, and a number of pre-conference "warning" meetings being held with attendees (especially Cornerstone employees). There is an effort to make these desperate people seem less like cultish sycophants, and Pastor Hagee less like a raving loon, so that their efforts take on an outward appearance of respectablity. As for the Jews who dismiss their eschatology, but are willing to take their money, and proclaim that Pastor Hagee, and CUFI, are true friends of Israel, and Jews in general, I simply say that there is a serious need of self examination at the very least.

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» RE: It's all about control Posted by: Lauren
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Tired of subsidizing these nuts? Let's end tax breaks
Posted by: Moonray on Jul 27, 2008 1:38 AM   
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Isn't it strange that religious types are permitted to spout the most outrageous nonsense, but if an individual expressed similar beliefs in a non-religious context he or she would be dragged away to a mental asylum? Enough is enough. We need to start reining in these nutjobs before they turn the U.S. into another Middle East, and Job 1 is ending the generous tax breaks and other special privileges now granted to religious institutions.

Anyone who believes churches are "non-profit" is hopelessly naive. They are big business and operate more like corporations than Good Samaritans. Yes, all of them. In fact, it's popular support for "moderate" religious groups -- whose dogma is just as silly and irrational as Hagee's bunch -- that led us into this mess in the first place. Sensible people need to 1) stop supporting religion or other superstitions in any form 2) demand an end to tax breaks and other government favors for such groups 3) support new laws protecting children under 18 from religious indoctrination, which is child abuse per se.

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» RE: Agree somewhat Moonray but .... Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
Error in article: Engel is not a McCain supporter
Posted by: cliffweathers on Jul 27, 2008 4:39 AM   
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I am more apoplectic than most about Democratic Congressman Eliot Engel's participation in the CUFI Summit, but in no way is Rep. Engel a John McCain supporter.

Engel, who is my rep, was a strong Clinton supporter and now publicly supports Barack Obama, as does the entire New York congressional delegation.

Please insert a correction in your article.

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'Christian' Facism and Mind Control- a National Security Threat
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 27, 2008 5:43 AM   
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After deleting Hagee's Sermons off the internet by his staff, I feared this Cult members sociopathic ideologies would be once again hidden from Public view and disinfection.
By trying to Hide his 'teachings' is he not failing to 'Spreading the Word of God'and 'Save Souls' through his ministry?
First evidence of being a 'Deceiver'.
Then He puts forth a stratedgy to bring about 'Armegeddon'- Pre-emptively strike Iran. Since when Is Hagee the Stratedgiest for the Almighty's Grand Design? Why would He need the help for a mere mortal, such as Hagee and his Friends in Political Office to take such steps? Could He accomplish such a devaStation upon mankind by Himself- Floods, Earthquakes...?
Why would a God also hate some of His own Creations and pit them against Others of his Own Design? Not just Christians against Muslims, Muslims against Jews, but Christians Against Jews?
Why woulD god want the Destruction of not only mankind, but the Earth and all other creators which reside Here- Why destroy your own 'Art work'? If you have such power- why not use it to Perfect the already laid foundation- Why absolute destruction?
Considering this secrecy and usurping of the powers of the Almighty and seisure of rights of judgement point to a far Weaker and Devious Entity being served by Hagee's (et al) Ministry..."Could it be Satan" who would need such help? Dream of such Destruction? Allow such Arrogance and hand over such powers of Judgement to mere mortals?
There is currently a Bill being considered which would require Religious Groups airing their philososphies on the Airwave to assure Opposing Views are also voiced. This would be an effective piece of Legislation which would demand other Religons and Philososphies airtime to combat these Sociopathic, mindbending Doctrines.
I suggest any person of Real Faith and cognizant of these Deceivers true intent and Goals (not to mention who they actually are working for- themselves or something far more vile) Encourage Congress and the FCC to pass the FAIRNESS ACT.
As for Hagee and his Folowers in Public Office - they must be exposed and removed from any level of influence they have over Our nations Domestic & Foreign policies. THEY POSE A SERIOUS AND IMMEDIATE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL SECURITY THREAT!

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plague or religion - both killers!
Posted by: carbon-based on Jul 27, 2008 6:44 AM   
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Pastor Hagee's is a nut..no doubt.. but how come we don't have an article about going undercover at Rev Wrights sermons (that hateful racist) and where's the article on this crazy muslim practice of Honor Killings and it's rise in this country (is it any wonder that this religion produces more terrorists than any other)

Isn't it time that religious organizations be seen for what they are - a means for few to control the many for agendas that serve no benefit for their followers.

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» Carbon-based....please listen Posted by: David/Daoud
» RE: Carbon-based....please listen Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: plague or religion - both killers! Posted by: beautifulady2003
Americanized Christianity sucks!
Posted by: David/Daoud on Jul 27, 2008 7:21 AM   
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In the past, during difficult times in my life, I really tried to be a Christian here in Canada, which in many ways isn't much different from the U.S. I found a lot of very narrow minded, insincere people and not the love I was looking for.

In 1971, I met a young man from Pakistan who happens to be a Muslim. An intelligent, gentle and loving person, successful in his life. We are still friends! Now in the year 2008, I have nothing but respect for Muslims and I couldn't give a damn what anyone else thinks.

When 9/11 hit, guess where I was living.
In the West Bank of what the Jews haven't stolen yet in Palestine, totally surrounded by Muslims with a few Christians here and there. I was safe and happy.

I'm really sick of this John Hagee guy, and his perversion of Christianity which, may I remind you?, is an Eastern religion. He needs a good kick in the butt out of town and out of American politics.

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» RE: Americanized Christianity sucks! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Americanized Christianity sucks! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Americanized Christianity sucks! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Americanized Christianity sucks! Posted by: beautifulady2003
Undercover??
Posted by: Jbuuty on Jul 27, 2008 8:28 AM   
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I've now read a few articles by reporters going 'undercover' to a religious meeting that is basically open to the public. Some do require registration and fees, but they don't do background checks and so forth. It is a pretty lame form of going 'undercover'.

Hagee and his ilk are pretty pathetic. He is Biblically and theologically pathetic. He is also potentially dangerous politically. I have no sympathy for Hagee. However, you don't really need to go undercover to get his views, and the views of others like him. They are pretty clear, and most big name preachers supporting Israel have basically similar views. The variety comes in how stupidly they address the issues. They are each stupid in their own way.

Those on the left often can't understand why Jewish leaders hang out with these guys. But imagine someone came to your house with a million dollars, however, he believed that by accepting it, you were hastening little fairies to come into your yard and p*ss on your flowers, which would kill them. Would you take the money, or consider him to be an enemy of your flowers?

On top of it, Hagee and others are not Jew-haters!! Some of their followers may be anti-Semitic, and some of the preachers also, but they are not necessarily so. Do all socialists necessarily hate wealthy people? The destruction of Israel and the battle of Armageddon are ideological beliefs, not personal attitudes toward Jewish people.

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» RE: Undercover?? Posted by: emmas
» RE: Undercover?? Yes Posted by: corgyn
» RE: Undercover?? Yes Posted by: Jbuuty
» RE: Undercover?? Yes Posted by: justAnEgg
» RE: Undercover?? Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Undercover?? Posted by: Lauren
Religion Like This...
Posted by: thehousedog on Jul 27, 2008 10:05 AM   
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... is poison.

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Spit out the conservative kool-aid and fight back . . .
Posted by: Moonray on Jul 27, 2008 12:46 PM   
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Taxing religion certainly IS constitutional and should be done vigorously. Who do you think ruled that it wasn't constitutional? A Supreme Court that has always served as the lapdog of big churches. That's why we still have "In God We Trust" on our money and other real infringements of the Constitution such as tax-paid military chaplains and government meetings that start with prayers. Lapdog judges should be replaced -- and can be.

Churches do sell products -- the religious fantasies that their deluded customers seize upon out of fear and ignorance. These groups should be taxed up the yin-yang and denied access to the mass media. The Constitution can be -- and should be -- interpreted correctly to make those things happen.

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Why Obama nor Any Democrat or Republican Is A Good Choice.
Posted by: Mr. Terrific on Jul 27, 2008 1:06 PM   
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I am a black man and grew up dirt poor and I unfortunately still am, regardless of all of my struggles. In the black community, we have learned, as most destitute people have whether they be asian, black, latino, native or white, to see through a con-man or con-woman as just what they are!

I see Obama as being just that. He is no savior of those of us who are struggling. He is just another mouthpiece, another glorious puppet for the elite. It conviently just so happens that he is the chosen one, because his IMAGE speaks to U.S. citizens across the economic and social divide.

The Elite simply asked themselves, "Why not have a black man run for President of this country?" The image of black men represents one who has been the target of hatred for centuries in this misbegotten nation!

Although the American Indians have suffered unbelieveable terror, the black male alone has been the poster boy of hatred in this country.

I realize that this generation is differnt and believe me, I am so very grateful and happy. However it does not change the past. My generation of black men suffered along with naturally every other generation before me.

My best friend who is a black male, will vote for Obama simply because he is black, and will make history by becoming the first outwardly known black male President of the United States. I say that is sad but not much different than voting for Hillary because she is a woman yet obviously a staunch Zionist.

I will say that, if I felt or had a hint that Obama was honestly seeking to address the needs of the meek, poor and prosecuted of this country and the Middle East, I would toot his horn daily. However I am sorry. I do not.

I am in my 40's now, and have made too many mistakes as far as I am concerned eariler in my life. I will not add voting for people I know are counter to what I feel in my heart as wrong, to my many previous errors.

God knows I do not need to add any more negative Karma in my life. I will obviously not vote for McCain so that leaves a third party of which at least they are more aligned towards my beliefs.

Sincerely: Terrific

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Response to Carbon-Based, Bill O'Reilly and Others of This Ilk
Posted by: Mr. Terrific on Jul 27, 2008 7:31 PM   
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Carbon-Based quoting me along with his responses

"I would not agree that Chinese have suffered 'worst' in terms of slavery as opposed to black people"

read the history of rail roads in this country and see who built them and what conditions they endured.. worse than southern slaves or worse than black endured in the tolerant north east once 'freed'.

"After having your ancestors enslaved, then freed after generations of enslavement only to have laws legislated to keep you dis-empowered, have an entire social infrastructure then label you as sub-human, provide "science" that then supposedly "proves" you are "sub-human,"

.. your kidding????? there are so many equal opportunity laws today it guarantees a black a job.. a black can beat a white nearly to death and it's an assault..a while beats a black it's not only an assault but a violation of their civil rights and carries enormous penalties."

My final response:

WORKING on the railroads as immigrants as opposed to being brought here on a slave ship in CHAINS and SOLD like CATTLE are completely different!

Europeans indeed discriminated against one another in the early history of this nation; however, the African slave and their descendants were at the bottom of the social ladder and to assert anything less only magnifies your ignorance of the history of this nation!

The Native Americans have suffered indeed; this is no great revelation! However, the vast majority of black people in this country out of middle school know that!

Moreover while the majority of black people looking for a job TODAY do not face the blatant hatred I myself and others of generations passed face, that still in no way implies that "equal opportunity laws" have helped black people excel socioeconomically!

You can be "guaranteed" a job as a dishwasher! So. Big Deal! What the hell does that prove?

Your glorious, "equal opportunity laws" have helped me get my job as Assistant Manager of an apartment complex earning less than $9,000 a YEAR!

I could tell you the fact that the company I work for has ONE minority and I AM IT! They "value" me as one of the middle managers stated years ago.

Naturally.

I could go on about my life in the South for 31 years and how LOVELY it was, along with the wonderful social conditions there, but I grow weary of this.

Your comments, are so incredibly IGNORANT you can only stand as a example of the right-winged commentators and their audience of which I, and so many others in this country have grown sick of.

Sheesh: Terrific

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Response to Carbon-Based, Bill O'Reilly and Others of This Ilk Continued
Posted by: Mr. Terrific on Jul 27, 2008 8:00 PM   
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I want to make this clear and hope that others understand. When you refer to people of color as a "black," you may as well be thinking a nigger.

Carbon-Based you need to understand that people of color are not as ignorant as you think. I have NEVER referred to any white person as a "white." The love of my life was a white female. It would sicken me to hear any black person refer to a white person as a "white."

You yourself Carbon-based have issues of racism should deal with.

Within the Constitution itself it states still that BLACKS are 3/4 property! That was ammended with the 15th ammendent. NO where was any other ethnicity stated as such within the body of the Constitution. That would have implied that black people are only 1/4 HUMAN!

Lovely huh?

Love over Hate: Terrific

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» Call me blotchy! Posted by: wisegalah
When will we realize...
Posted by: manderson on Jul 28, 2008 6:09 AM   
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....that Haggee and his ilk will try to kill us all. He is Fascism and Corporatism incarnate. If we do not defend ourselves we are doomed, and will deserve it because of that. These people are dangerously sick, pathological killers.

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ISLAMO-FASCIST - wtf is that?
Posted by: Frish on Jul 28, 2008 11:54 AM   
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That's a great "creation" of whomever coined it, and it was repeated by Hagee's spokeshole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chalst/islamofascism

Talk about some meaningfree syllables...

I am sure there are some Muslims who are fascistic.

But to label "terrorists" or "radical Islamists" or followers of Islam who consider the USA's intrusion into Iraq and Afghanistan worthy of Jihad as "islam-fascists" is simply appealing to emotion, not reality.

The term is purely used to FIRE UP those who feel the Crusades haven't ended yet, since there remain Muslims in the world.

I did read that "islam-fascists" are both Muslim and followers of Adolf Hitler...oh my.

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Did the Third Temple get mentioned ?
Posted by: Alex Hidell on Jul 28, 2008 1:07 PM   
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These nutjobs want to start WWIII by destroying the mosques atop the Temple Mount and then building a Third Temple. IMHO this would be doing Satan's work for him since, in Hagee's eschatology, this is a prerequisite for the Second Coming--being that the antichrist first will be an abomination sitting in the Temple, required before Christ returns.

Do our congressmen/women even know about this ?

See PBS's story on this,

Impact of Millennium on the Holy Land
January 7, 2000 Episode no. 319
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week319/cover.html

Congress needs to wake up to what these groups are up to before they really do start WWIII.

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» RE: AD IT FOR SAVIOR COMETH Posted by: johnbradleycopeland
» RE: AD IT FOR SAVIOR COMETH Posted by: SemiDiscerning
» RE: AD IT FOR SAVIOR COMETH Posted by: SemiDiscerning
So you're reading this comment after such a sad long story?
Posted by: cthelyt on Jul 30, 2008 7:16 PM   
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Just think of all the time you could have saved if you treated religion the way Nancy Pelosi treats impeachment.

You're smarter than that. Forget the silliness. Think of Hagee and the fanatics of all religions who have caused much of the world's problems for the past several millennia, and put your time to better use. God certainly does; he never bothers with us. Just take a good look around you.

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God Hates Us All
Posted by: AlteredStates on Jul 31, 2008 2:21 AM   
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If you don't believe it, just read the Book. One big example, Moses said, "let my people go". God hardens Pharoah's heart, then God kills all the first born babies in Eygypt. Why? To teach the dead babies a lesson? During all the ten plagues God kept on hardening Pharoah's heart. Pharoah was inclined to let the Hebrews go, but God kept on hardening his heart. Why? I guess God has a flair for the dramatic.
Then you have Noah. God tells Noah to build a boat because God wants to kill evryone in the entire earth, even people on the other side of the world who don't have a beef with Noah or God. They just want to live out their lives and then die. But, no, God again has another "flair for the dramatic" and floods the entire earth to make a point. So the story goes anyway. Time after time God kills people who he has blinded (deliberately) Why? Who knows? To make a point? Maybe, but what is the point? To make good copy? How many billions have died for God or without God? I don't know. Why doesn't someone ask him? Good luck on getting an answer. This God guy doesn't talk very much, but when he does, you can bet there will be a long trail of blood left where he has been. Again, why? I think it's this thing about not being able to forgive "sin" without the shedding of blood or something like that. Why doesn't God get over himself and let things go for a change. Or better yet, give up this wild notion about needing blood, always with the blood. But, no, God wants to hear, "Please Mr. God, please forgive us. I'll kill my pet goat". Then God is happy after seeing all that blood. I'm just wondering what God did to amuse himself before he created man...and woman? Maybe that's what happened to the dinosaures. Again with the blood But before the earth and universe, what? Hmmm...I just wonder..

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freedom of religion has led to American eccentric religion
Posted by: whealeydj on Aug 1, 2008 9:54 PM   
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and Hagee is a prime example of milennialist thinking which is more dominent in USA than anywhere else. Thier ideas seem wild and crazy to establishment churches,especially when they try to make make sense out of prophecy in the Bible. The article exposes more of Hagee which is a good thing. The article mentions Santorum.Lieberman and Engel. I wonder if there were more American officeholders there and what they had to say.

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PR Effort
Posted by: wmholt on Aug 3, 2008 4:14 PM   
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It seems like the CUFI believes that it will achieve its goals by staying on message and disciplined PR. I remember when pastors used to pray for Divine Help.

Just a note: I enjoyed the article very much, but I was a bit taken aback at your Googling certain terms and then coming up with a reference to Mein Kampf, as if a Google search was evidence that these people were speaking in a kind of "code".

I just think that my using Google to look up certain words from any public figure can pretty much get me any connections I want.

Besides that point, I believe you are right in that these people's "love" for the Jews is shallow and self-serving.

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