Why Karl Rove Should Go to Jail

Grab the Sergeant at Arms, Cuff his Pig Ass and drag him in front of the JUDICIARY!

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Do the damn job you were elected to do.

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By the Congress, that is.

"My Ruling" indeed. Here's a hint: Under the constitution, Congress has LEGISLATIVE powers, not judicial.

1. If you want to take on the executive branch, there are two legal ways to do it, and only two:

1. The creation of laws that restrict the actions of the executive branch.

2. Impeachment.

Either do it right, or do it not at all.

The branches are supposed to SHARE power, which does not include the executive branch being subservient to the legislative.

Congressional "oversight" is unconstitutional (not to mention ineffective).

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Last week Mr. Conyers also posted a letter on HU-PO and I posted this comment regarding said editorial:

Dear Congressman, I have respected and admired your opinions on the Judiciary Committee during the criminal reign of this administration. What I fail to understand why you refuse to take your obligation to the Constitution seriously and use your powers to take action instead of just promoting your opinions through editorials.

Both houses of Congress have the power of Inherent Contempt which can be invoked and then order the Sergeant-At-Arms take Mr. Rove into custody. I could be wrong on the legal procedural details but YOU clearly have the power to do this. But instead you write editorials in Huffington Post.

Why, Mr. Conyers, Why? It seems to much of America that you have stood by while this rogue regime has run roughshod over the constitution and the likes of you, Mr. Waxman and Mr. Leahy have talked a good game but failed to act on your Constitutionally mandated responsibilities.

The path is clear to EVERYONE who stands for truth, justice and the rule of law. There is no question to "confront" there are only actions to be taken. Take them or go home, you're of no help to us if you keep talking but fail to act.

Now, Ms. Sanchez, Chairwoman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee, you have also posted a letter calling for justice (more specifically, jail time for Karl).

So you gave Mr. Rove "one last chance to comply with the law [and] he ignored [you]."

The only thing Karl Rove is hiding behind is YOUR and Mr. Conyers' timidity and your failure to invoke Inherent Contempt to force Mr. Rove to comply with a congressional subpoena. If any common person failed to comply with a subpoena, they would be sitting in the hooskow waiting to answer for their failure to appear. But Karl is flipping the American public the bird and you're whining in the Huffington Post about how he should be in jail instead of doing your Constitutionally mandated job of upholding the law.

If "The courts have made clear that no one, not even the president, is immune from compulsory process", then WHY aren't you invoking Inherent Contempt, instead of just talking about, and having the Sergeant-at-Arms remand Mr. Rove into custody until he complies with the subpoena?

The current brand of "Republican" disgusts me but I know that if Rove was a Democrat there is no doubt that the Republicans would have him in custody right now. So quit whining and do something!

This country can't afford criminals in the executive branch but we also can't afford cowards in the legislative branch. So step it up, the future of our country depends on it!

Kindest Regards,
J. Q. Public

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Its our job to complain and point out the obvious injustice and criminal actions, its your job to do something about it and uphold the constitution and the law. If ever a subpoena needed to be upheld or a president needed to be impeached IS NOW. TO NOT DO SO IS CRIMINAL.

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Kucinich is taking names from supporters of his articles of impeachment against the BUSH/CHENEY Admin.

This is something we can do NOW and it IS important! PLEASE CALL AND PASS THIS ON:

1-202-224-3121

You can also let Rep. Conyers know you appreciate the work he is doing to bring justice and possible indictments against Rove and others in the BUSH regime, same number.

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Dear Congresswoman Sanchez: I must respectfully join others here who are encouraging you to stop talking about what you can and should do, and just do it.

It seems that the teeth of Congress have all fallen out, and many of the representatives talk well, talk tough, but the actions you take as a group is a disgrace to this nation and a snub to the people who elected you all and are paying your salaries and benefits.

I am personally ashamed that you even wrote the post at this time. It would be much more instructive and useful to the People if you wrote it AFTER you moved to arrest Mr Rove - even if you cannot get enough votes to do it because your colleagues in Congress are spineless. By posting BEFORE, you demonstrate that you, too, are spineless - and you do it publicly. What a shame.

So please, Congresswoman Sanchez: You have an obligation to ACT in the interest of the people who elected you! Your obligation is just as strong as Mr Rove's obligation. Why is he more "obligated" than you are?

Sorry to "rain of your parade", as it were, in this forum. You make a good case and many people are sickened and disheartened by the Administration's fouting of their moral, ethical, and legal obligations to the people of this country. But frankly, you get ZERO sympathy here - since you are part of the problem that helps foster this kind of behaviour.

Chagri Lama

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Just like Libby Bush would pardon Karl Rove or anyone else in his administration that were charged and sent to jail. On Cspan it was stated that the judicial committe will be going after this criminal adminstration after Bush leaves office. Right now Bush would pardon everyone and claim executive priviledge for others. I just hope Bush doesn't destroyed everything before he leaves. This man will not have anything in his library when they build it because he has gotten rid of a lot of papers.

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You're preaching to the choir; we already KNOW he should go to jail... Go get him and haul him in before congress like you're legally entitled to do.
The whole world is watching this - it's embarassing.
srs_mn

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I don't know what the Bushiters have on Nancy Pelosi, but her quashing of any impeachment effort needs to be overridden by a general outcry and the recruitment of a clear majority in the house who will vote for impeachment. A good step in that direction would be demanding congressional testimony from Bush bagman Karl Rove.

Unless you would allow his style of politics to become institutionalized, it is absolutely necessary that he be held to accounts, thoroughly investigated and then indicted should the evidence show grounds to do so.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121625104564560159.html

July 17, 2008

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We, the American people, need a display of judicial and legislative balls.

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Wait until January 2009 to do it. Get this administration out of office, let the ties be severed, and watch the fuckers scurry like rats. It will take a good deal of time, but the pardon option will be off the table. Pick them off, one by one.

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As I said on HuffPo yesterday stop your whining and get on with the job. Get off your lazy tush and do something about it. Stop acting like the general population who actually have no other recourse but to whine. You are the politician now use you skill and determination to actually do something instead of crying about it. You were elected to take action and not to cry about what you cannot do.

While you are at it do something about the pathetic leadership in your party. If you want to hold these Republican people responsible for what they have done a good first step would be to get rid of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They are the single biggest obstacle stopping the criminal prosecution on any current Republican politician. It is YOUR party and you are an insider, unlike most of the rest of us, now do something about it!

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America is looking like a blatant plutocracy where the sheeple never even complain let alone do anything. It's a mystery!!

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I suspect that, like J. Edgar Hoover, Bush has files on everybody and knows where all the bodies are buried. He has no doubt made the appropriate threats to all who would oppose him. I have no doubt he is not above threatening their very lives. Consider how much blood is on his hands already, beginning with all those he put to death as governor of the retrograde state of Texas, without so much as a commutation. Lee Harvey Oswald, where are you?

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One of you was totally correct. The attorney general refuses to do his job in this matter, and Bush would pardon any and all of his cronies, regardless of his crimes. We need to make sure that a Dem is elected president, that that President refuses to pardon these criminals, and that the Congress moves against these criminals at that time. One of you above has posited that false assumption that Congress does not have power in this case under the Constitution. Indeed they do. Please research Inherent Contempt and its precedents on any of the reputable law journals.

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Grow a fucking pair of balls already dems!

What the fuck is wrong with you? You have the power, the authority and the mechanics to go out, arrest that fat bastard and drag his ass in front of the committee.

We elected you dems to bring justice and sanity to Washington and all you do is sit there and whine about how Rove and the rest of the GOP criminals in Washington defy your orders.

YOU'RE IN CHARGE...DO YOUR FUCKING JOB ALREADY!

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It's simple, arrest him! Quit the damn talking and just arrest him! This is more propaganda otherwise. Get our blood pressure up and pissed at him when we should be pissed at you. ARREST HIM!

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just convince the rest of your Congressional colleagues.

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Why are you waiting, just writing editorials? Do what you have to do - go ahead, cite Rove for contempt and send the serjeant at arms to bring him. Walk the talk!

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A whole week or so goes by and nothing about Rove skipping the country. He comes back and Congress waits for him to be polite? It seems to me that Congress does have some oversight capacities. Why else would hearings be held and pointed questions be asked? And if this is a judicial matter, where are the lawyers who would take it on?

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The military is charged with protecting an dDefending the Citizens and Our Constitution. This prime Directive supercedes all instructions and commands by any other Body of Public Servants.
Arrest the entirety of all three branches and We will sort out the innocent from guilty in anightly 'American Idol' style procession of Trials. We have some awesome 'parting Gifts' for the Losers! Oh and we Will keep the suspension of Habus Corpus for them and refuse any appeals. DICK get your swim trunks on -You're going Waterboarding!

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The Bush administration has abused executive privilege. Cooperation and negotiation were wished for, but Bush and his operatives laugh in your faces as they undermine and degrade the freedom of every American. You have played your card, and you have been openly scorned. The law is the law, and no man is above it.

As Thomas Paine said in Common Sense, "In America the law is king. For as in absolute govenments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other."

He continues, that otherwise "Nothing is criminal; there is no such thing as treason; wherefore, every one thinks himself at liberty to act as he pleases" And finally he warns, "If something is not done in time, it will be too late to do anything."

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The democrats have been bush enablers all along. It is obvious that the democrats got a nominal majority from the last election, but bush inc won that election.

The lack of democratic leadership in either the house or senate, and the failure to have any nerve to try and hold bush, cheney, rove, etc., accountable in any way - is there ANY REASON for rove or anyone else to care what the all powerful enabling committees and their members think?

Get some guts, take some action, before bush pardons everyone.

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You are willing to take it all the way. Prove that you will not tolerate those who aid and abet those who engage in war crimes. Become a force against those who abuse the power of their office to enable these criminals. Damn! I forgot, Nancy won't let you.

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that the entire congress is frightened by some pudgy little wuss that looks like he hasn't had a day of exercise or manual labor in his entire life. My gawd, just arrest him, but just make sure the contempt trial lasts til bush is out office so he won't be pardoned (but who knows mccain might anyway).

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They need to know how we feel. I just found my Rep. is on the committee and emailed him a nice reasoned request to stop complaining and do something because it makes us look weak willed and foolish.

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Inherent Contempt.

Jonathan Turley, a Constitutional expert, explained it quite well on Countdown more than once.

I am pretty sure though that most of the Dems have been blackmailed or threatened in some ways. Illegal wiretapping made sure the shrub & it's madministration got the goods on everyone, I'm sure.

What a cesspool our gov't is.

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Blah, blah..this congress is a toothless tiger. Let a democratic operative defy a republican congress' demand to appear. That repbublican congress would have summons the Sgt at Arms with the quickness!

I give republicans/conservatives that, they will be nasty when they have to be.

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I agree with many of the posts here.

This is like the parent who tells their child to stop doing something or they are going to (fill in punishment here), then they never follow through. So, the child learns that their threats of punishment mean nothing and they continue the behavior that should have been punished.

Words mean little without action to back them up. WALK THE TALK OR SHUT THE F*&K UP !!

The day I first heard of this, I tried to write to Congresswoman Sanchez...it is nearly impossible to send an e-mail unless you live in her district.

Pelosi, Reid, Conyers, Sanchez....how many more Dems have no spine and are therefore accomplices to the criminal acts of this administration? Looks like they need to let Kucinich be Speaker.

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Rove has been invited (with his usual recompense paid by members) to address the Texas Association of Realtors (TAR)in San Antonio in September. The Association touts its value by asserting that members, known as REALTORS, are to be preferred as representatives of buyers and/or sellers because they subscribe to a very high Code of Ethics. Many professional REALTORS have joined to encourage TAR to rescind the engagement with Rove, obviously embarrassed by any association with him. TAR leadership, however, asserts pride in his appearance.

Members of TAR should revolt! TAR leadership should be forced to resign. Rove should go to jail.

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The Contempt of Congress by Rove, Miers and Bolton is only a symptom or the disease attacking our system of government and that Disease is the Federalist Society..!

The Federalist Society has infiltrated and infested our Justice Dept. and our Federal Court system...including what was once our Supreme Court..and is now in reality the Federalist Society Court..!

Their agenda is to unify with the Executive Branch and make Congress impotent and since the Legislative Branch is the people's branch thus create their Unitary Dictatorship where a very small slecet few rule over the masses and thus as Alexander Hamilton warned in Federalist 78 destroy our democracy...

Until all of these abuses are traced as they properly can be from David Addington and John Yoo and the Torture memos, and FISA and Declaring Americans "enemy combatants" to suspending Habeas Corpus, to disregarding Congress and the nearly 800 Signing Statements all trace back to the Federalist Society...the scandals in our Justice Dept., Siegelman's false prosecution and Federal Attorney's firings...it's all the damn Federalist Society..

The Federalist Society is destroying our system of government from the inside just like some cancer...

Hell the Federalist Society, Scalia most of all, one of their biggest recruiters and a Tory Traitor to our Constitution of note installed Bush and caused all this misery, death and mayhem and corruption we are living with and will suffer from for decades..

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on the part of this congress to do anything to hold the criminals in this administration accountable is intolerable. I have no confidence in my government. I have grown weary of the crap which comes in way of response from my representative and senators on any issue on which I communicate with them. Any of those who voted in favor of the current FISA bill should be thrown out of office. It's time we get people in Washington to represent us. Pelosi is a joke and seems more focused on moving her mouth so as not to mess up her lipstick than anything. Reid is a joke...God only knows what he's trying to do. He alone had the power to pull the FISA bill off the table and say no...we can be protected from terrorism under current FISA law. HOW STUPID DO OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS THINK WE ARE??? GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH WE LET THEM GET AWAY WITH.

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...but signifying nothing. I sympathize with most of the posters here who are calling for the Democratic leadership to quit the Hamlet routine and just take appropriate action, but I remain deeply pessimistic about the possibility of any real redress of grievances. Back when labor was a force to be reckoned with in this country, and usually stood foursquare behind the Democratic Party, it could be argued that we did indeed, for better or for worse, have a two-party system whose interests were often in significant opposition to one another. Now that labor has been effectively gelded, however, it becomes clearer by the day that both major parties are substantially in the same pockets, no longer separated by fundamentally conflicting interests. Thus, much apparent opposition is merely a smoke-and-mirror show for the benefit of those still deluded into thinking that they're served by a government for, of, and by the people.
And here's another sad fact: most of you here have likely voted the Democratic-Liberal line(often represented by the same candidate) in the past; some have voted the Republican-Conservative line (also quite often represented by the same candidate). That's what you've done for years, if not your entire voting lives. And guess what? That's what you'll do yet again in November, and for all elections to come. And the Demopublicans and the Republicrats know that all too well. So neither the candidates themselves nor their backers (would "handlers" be a better word?) have much incentive to make any major changes.

So what I propose---in full knowledge that the snowball has a better chance in hell than that enough of us would act on this---is that, with precious few exceptions (Paul? Kucinich?), we make it our policy as the electorate to vote the incumbents out in every election, every time. Federal, state, local, whatever. We do this until they get it through their self-important heads that we're paying atention, we're damn mad, and we're not going to take it anymore.
Not only that, but we should, as often as is feasible, vote IN minor party candidates or independents: Greens, Libertarians, whatever. It hardly matters. Just let the Dems and the Repubs know the free ride is over.
Besides, the minor party types haven't had the opportunity to cozy up to the vested & monied interests yet, and so may actually have the agendas of their constituents at heart, at least for a while. (until the next election?)
I think one cause for optimism about this tactic is that, when it comes to preserving themselves and their cushy jobs, the professional office-holders can be remarkably quick learners, so perhaps we wouldn't have to do that very many times before seeing positive changes.
Again, I have NO expectation that enough of us would act to bring about this felicitous state of affairs, but who knows? Maybe we'll get the Putney Swope (q.v.) effect.

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Would it be possible that the congress waits until we have more Democrats and a new Attorney General with a sense of justice and some guts to pursue these criminals in federal courts. I am not optimistic that our bipartisan Obama has the moral outrage to go along with this plan, and there are a lot of conservative judges now thanks to Reagan and Bush to protect these traitors but it is worth a try. What do you think?

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The Kentucky technology executive who has admitted bribing Louisiana Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.) also made apparently legal political contributions to him and two congresswomen from California, sisters Loretta and Linda Sanchez.

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Here's a link to

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Sanchez aide under investigation for criminal activities during service to Sanchez

It is obvious that Sanchez is attempting to circumvent the Constitution by going after the precedent of executive privilege to cover her dubious actions while in office.

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and her sister.

There must be complete transparency from the Sanchez girls to determine who is funding their attempt at undermining the Constitution and the separation of powers.

Of course, if the fringe Left continues to undermine the Constitution with endless investigations -- why shouldn't Republicans reciprocate?

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I agree with Rep. Sanchez that Mr. Rove should be incarcerated for contempt of Congress. He, like the Bush administration generally, is flouting the law -- not flaunting it.

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This article used the right term "arrogant"to describe Rove's snear at the US people,constition and history.Rove boarded a plane when he should have been answering some (id like to beleive)tough questions.
This adminastration has been a hi-jack from the beginning,as Naomi klein pointed out recently,the Bush Gang (plc)have used every catastrophe as an opportunity to extend a hard right wing,neo-con programme,at home and overseas.In their zealousness,they have ignored protocol,and perceived themselves as creating whatever history,rules and reality they wanted to.That has meant an occasional bending of the the rules,and a more frequent ignoring of the rules.
This attack on democracy and rights ,has been aided by a media which has spread a false patriotism,as the Bush line becomes truth ,not argument,not perspective,but iron truth.
This bull was for the post 9/11 years swallowed by huge swathes of the mainstream population,whose best brains have less political awareness than even the least educated Venuzualan worker.
Cometh the hour,cometh the Democrats..sadly not.The dems cowed response has been pathetic,and adds weight to Chomsky's view that any difference between the major parties is an illusion,and they are working in cahoots to sustain the manufactured consensus of the ruling elite.
The democrats support for the Iraq-attack,pathetic shielding of Bush re impeachment,and the toothless,half assed way in which Karl rove has been pursued,speaks volumes for the lack of real opposition in the USA.
For the moment,the USA has the rulers it deserves.There are signs of a growing awareness however.The back No in November campaign is offering a real opportunity to tell the politicians ,that they are offering nothing.It also has the makings of a real democratic grassroots movement.

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What is all this ? Has everyone forgotten that convenient little word called a pardon ? The White House knows Congress is weak and won't go for them so is doing exactly as it pleases. Wait for more. You can bet they won't let up. Lots still on the wish list for GOP donors.

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Imprison this slimy, fat social tumor one and for all.
For whatever is left of this country's soul
Throw him in jail, in real jail.

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I read every one of these posts. There's a LOT of anger, and FRUSTRATION at our elected officials like MS. Sanchez, because all we see and read are descriptive letters of protest about slimy characters like Karl Rove. "What a bad boy, we are shocked at his behavior!" Give me a freaking break! Now, unlike any other time, the American people, are rightfully DEMANDING that people like Ms. Sanchez take ACTION against Rove, and spare us yet another letter of delicate protest about one of the worst kind of political scumbags we have in our lifetimes. THE TIME TO ACT IS NOW, Ms. Sanchez. If you don't, you will find yourself at the wrong end of the sucking sound as the rage of the American people washes you down the drain of history.
THE TIME TO ACT IS NOW! WE ARE WATCHING YOU AND WILL TAKE NOTE OF YOUR ACTIONS!

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Aloha Rep. Sanchez,

I am not in your district. In fact, I am an American living in South Africa because I am unable to legally marry in the USA (California, respectfully notwithstanding.)

I am a little dismayed at the disrespect that has been heaped upon you for writing this article. I do understand the level of anger and frustration expressed, but I think that what some of our Alternet readers fail to appreciate that theirs isn't the only front in this economic and class civil war currently being waged within the US. As the last civil war was fought under the guise of slavery but was really about economics, this civil war is about systematically enslaving us all to serve the economic masters.

The very thing that the Judiciary Committee is investigating is the abuses of power against Siegelman (D) who was investigated relentlessly for years...showing how determined the dirt diggers in the current administration are. A little research into your history and that of your sister reveals that Rovian tactics from the DoJ aren't limited to governors.

I have always maintained that it probably is not me, today anyway, that Bush and co-conspirators want to wiretap without a warrant, after all does big brother want to listen to me talking to my sister about chicken recipes or complaining about the economy? No, he wants to get the dirt on anyone who threatens his power and that puts you and your sister on the front lines in that battle. I am but a tiny threat to the powers that be, and I could be handled with minimal effort, they don't need to tap my phone/email to do it.

It is easy for me to call on you to have courage and integrity, to demand it from public servants but I cannot. Fight your battles and I will fight mine. May we be victorious in our quests. You may well find support from the very people who criticized you the loudest.

Good luck to you, Representative. We have a long battle ahead trying to return America to its ideals and to correct its legacy of atrocities.

~Miki
A Hawaiian in Africa

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Yes, yes, yes Rove should be held in contempt and sent to prison, BUT FOLKS, must we hurry? We have to wait until Bush's term expires. If we lock him up too soon he's got a guaranteed "Get of Jail Free" card with the wave of Bush's misguided Presidential pardon wand.

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The phrase for what Rove and his advisees habitually do is "flouting the law." It's sad that an attorney speaking for the Judiciary Committee can manage to say the opposite of what she means.

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Rove is one of the most despicable figures in 21st century history.He is openly in defiance of the law.Either jail him or let every one else in prison go.

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CongressLady Sanchez and all posters,
It is well past time for us to cease to tolerate the cowardly incompetence of the Congress and particularly the Do Nothing Democrats. The Republican party is a criminal enterprise but I am possibly even more disgusted by the Hotair Blowhard "leadership" of the Democrats in office. So, while I agree with the disgust and anger expressed by 99% of the commentors, I say that there is more than ample justification for WE THE PEOPLE to take charge, to throw the do-nothings out on the street, re-establish a government that will not tolerate criminal activity and summarily jail and prosecute those who are so obviously commiting or complicit in crimes such as mass murder and obstruction of justice.

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What a concept. Refresh your memories, one and all, on this piece, posted on AlterNet February 22, 2008: "When Change Is Not Enough: Seven Steps to Revolution" by Sara Robinson.

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A well written and impassioned article. I cannot speak for others, but I believe there has been enough talking from the Judiciary Committee. It's now time for action.

Only real actions with regard to Rove and impeachment, inter alia, will demonstrate the sincerety of the passions of the many words spoken and written of thus far.

In short, just "do it" or withdraw.

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