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Rights and Liberties

Obama's Draconian New Death Penalty Stance

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted June 27, 2008.


In a reactionary political calculation, Barack Obama comes out in support of the death penalty for child rape.
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What a difference a general election makes.

Hours after the Supreme Court handed down a ruling banning the death penalty for the rape of a child, Democratic candidate Barack Obama found his inner Scalia and declared it a miscarriage of justice.

"I have said repeatedly that I think that the death penalty should be applied in very narrow circumstances for the most egregious of crimes," he told reporters at a press conference in Chicago. This is true. Despite the assumptions of some of his admirers, for at least as long as he has held political ambitions, Barack Obama has positioned himself as a supporter of state-sanctioned murder.

There's no question the sexual assault of a child is a monstrous thing, the kind of utterly indefensible crime that can test the resolve of anyone who opposes the death penalty on moral grounds. Indeed, it is the sort of offense death penalty supporters reach for in arguing for the "ultimate sanction." For a political candidate, it's a particularly easy position to take. What kind of a person would attack you for saying a child rapist deserves to die?

In fact, in the recent history of the death penalty, calling for the execution of a person who commits a crime other than murder is a radical stance. Nobody has been executed for such an offense in the United States in over 40 years. Until yesterday, only two people out of more than 3,200 prisoners on death row faced execution for a crime in which the victim did not die. Affirming the death penalty for child rape would not only have potentially placed thousands more people on death row -- as Justice Anthony Kennedy noted yesterday, there were 5,792 rapes of children under 12 in 2005 alone -- it would have vastly broadened the net for capital crimes, a trend that would quickly become a slippery slope. Nevertheless, "I think that the rape of a small child, 6 or 8 years old, is a heinous crime," Obama said yesterday, "and if a state makes a decision that under narrow, limited, well-defined circumstances the death penalty is at least potentially applicable, that that does not violate our Constitution." Never mind cruel and unusual punishment. (And yes, that is Obama embracing the conservative mantle of states' rights.)

Obama's defenders may argue, as they do about his other recent shifts to the right, that he had to take this position in order to strengthen his candidacy. No, he didn't. The Democrats may continue to operate in a world in which opposition to the death penalty equals political death, a world shaped by that famous 1988 Dukakis moment, in which the Democratic presidential candidate was hapless when challenged to state that he would support the killing of a man who raped and murdered his wife. But times have changed. While the Democrats have embraced the death penalty, public support for it has dwindled -- especially in recent years. The regular exonerations of innocent prisoners in this country (218 and counting), persistent evidence of rampant racial and economic bias, and botched executions nationwide have led people -- and juries -- more and more, to reject the death penalty. Chalk it up, as the Supreme Court likes to, to our "evolving standards of decency."

Unfortunately, presidential candidates have their own evolving standards of decency and, too often, they are a race to the bottom. Obama, who spoke eloquently in favor of the court's decision granting habeas corpus to prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, has now aligned himself with the same aggressively conservative justices who would have had them remain in legal limbo. Worse, he aligns himself with the belligerent Antonin Scalia, whose enthusiasm for the death penalty is so irrepressible, one would expect he'd administer the lethal chemicals himself if he could.

Informed voters will see Obama's move for what it is: an opportunistic embrace of a sharply right-wing stance to shed the (dubious) stigma of being "the most liberal senator" in the Congress. In a week that saw him backpedal on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and on free trade, his supporters may see this as just another move rightward in his path toward the White House. But this is more than that. This is a reactionary stance that betrays those who would be his natural base of support, not to mention those communities that are actually affected by the death penalty. The fact that Obama was speaking at a press conference in Chicago is especially painful. It is a city that, as we speak, is handing subpoenas to police officers who tortured African American men on the South Side into giving confessions for crimes that they didn't commit -- men who ended up on death row. Obama, famously, was an organizer on the South Side of Chicago in this era. He knows how the death penalty system really works. He's just choosing to ignore it for the sake of cheap political points. How much he will actually gain from his pro-death penalty proclamation is unclear. Is it more than he stands to lose?

It is a sad day when a candidate who so many genuinely saw as bringing "change we can believe in" takes a politically motivated and intellectually dishonest stance in a matter of life and death. Obama risks alienating those who gave him his rise to the top, by betraying the very ideals that attracted them to him in the first place.

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Liliana Segura is an AlterNet staff writer.

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I am anti-Death Penalty and I liked his choice
Posted by: masterofbadenglish on Jun 27, 2008 12:32 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Let's look at the reality of this situation. The Supreme Court ruled in our favor. The President is the furthest away from defining what the death penalty should be, so Obama does not have to make or hold promises on the topic. His greatest power is to appoint judges which we know are going to be liberal. I think it would be incredibly stupid of him to lose this election Dukakis style and have McCain make the choices of Justices, so they could overwrite the decision. It may not be what we want to hear but it is by far the wisest choice for keeping this decision in place and having Justices that can take it further. It may not be a win for the idea that the death penalty is wrong but it is a win for keeping this and better death penalty decisions in place.

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» here's a test of logic Posted by: orionsan
» RE: here's a test of logic Posted by: BigElectricCat
» Why not say that then? Posted by: synx
» Cruel and unusual Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: What Barack actually SAID: Posted by: Longdream
» RE: What Barack actually SAID: Posted by: SemiDiscerning
» RE: I agree Posted by: camanokat
Maybe Barack Obama wasn't being dishonest?!?
Posted by: aouie01 on Jun 27, 2008 2:32 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I do understand that the communication of the beliefs may have been a calculated one as the article mentions. Why the jump to conclude that Barack is being dishonest?
Sincerely,
Aouie

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» Orwellian Double-Speak! Posted by: pdxstudent
» Do Tell Posted by: pdxstudent
Indeed problematic
Posted by: talkville on Jun 27, 2008 3:12 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In taking this position, Mr Obama has pointed to his position of identification of the concept of Justice and the response of Retribution -- that is, Revenge, Punishment, Vindictiveness... . Not Justice, in many (too many!) people's eyes, but "AMERICAN Justice".

In reality then, Mr Obama seems to believe that events like these, reprehensible indeed, should be met not so much by Reasoning as by Rationalization of Will, of Power shall we say? In effect, it's more a matter of the non-rational, the irrational responses of rage, disgust, and many other visceral responses that ought to determine the fate of the individual(s) who acted in this way. "Kill him!" they say in their very hearts, their Wills, their Power.

And yet, when one learns about activities with regard to young children occurring in more refined, more 'fortunate' and privileged classes which take advantage and make use of these children for gratification of their own more refined, more 'fortunate, and privileged tastes and predilections, such as "cute" and "sexy" outfits and costumes for their precious ones and other activities occurring in more private and enclosed situations (such as incest, invasions and explorations of parents or siblings or relatives) up to and including what would be considered 'rape' of the child, the judgements and responses seem to take a more well, benevolent and indulgent turn toward those found out.

But Kill the ignorant, un-educated, crass, 'useless' and 'expendable' proletarian for this heinous and disgusting Crime!.

I wonder what conditions make possible human beings such as this? What 'values' are emphasized? For whom?

Mr Obama, in my opinion, has taken up with the side of Will and Power, the side of the Hypocrites. Indeed, problematic. To suppose that killing an individual for acting in these ways (always contingent on his or her position in the social structure) will in some way advance the conditions which made these actions take place from the outset is, to say the least, ludicrous. It leaves these conditions in place and sustains the very society we actually have at present-- each can make their own 'judgment' on these. Ultimately, Mr Obama seems to be very Comfortable with the Status Quo. After all it has been quite beneficent and bountiful for those in his circles. Not so much for more and more of us. The more things are changing, the more SOME would like them to remain the Same. Not the kind of 'Change' I can believe in; more importantly, not the kind of 'Change' I can support or solidarize with. The death-penalty, in our existing social organization cannot be said to be just; at best, it is a Tool, an Instrument, a Means, a Technology of Power.

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OBAMA AND THE CAMPAIGN FOR THE WHITE HOUSE
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 27, 2008 3:28 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Don't take any controversial stance he takes on any issue seriously. Remember, he has to be elected in November. There are a lot of idiots out there who have to be appeased. Count on him to come out in favor of making it mandatory that pre-teens carry a concealed weapon. Again, it's all politics. The most important thing to remember is that he has to be elected in the autumn. If that means taking all kinds of goofy positions on all sorets of goofy issues, so be it.

Count on it; Barack Obama is going to be a different kind of president. He needs to say what he needs to say. Don't panic.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
George Carlin 1937-2008

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» Richard.... Posted by: Tom Degan
» Lying your way to the house Posted by: orionsan
» RE: Lying your way to the house Posted by: carbon-based
» When You Put It That Way Posted by: pdxstudent
» RE: Nope. Posted by: Longdream
» none of the above Posted by: orionsan
» Machiavellian rationalization Posted by: pfeifer999
Bye bye Barack
Posted by: esteph on Jun 27, 2008 3:34 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
OK - I'm not a US citizen and I have a European perspective on the death penalty but I find this shift tragic. In one move Obama as converted me from a supporter into an opponent. Since the idea of a McCain presidency is almost as scary as Bush has been, where does that leave me? Maybe the US no longer cares what the world thinks.

I just don't understand what it is about America that leaves you so addicted to a punishment that has been abandoned by every other Western Democracy. But to advocate it for an increased range of crimes way beyond the pale. Of course the rape of a child is a terrible thing but many terrible things happen in this world. If we took a life for every terrible act then the pile of corpses would overwhelm us.

If Obama has made a calculated move that he does not believe in, it is sickening. If he believes in this then I despair for your democracy.

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» RE: Bye bye Barack Posted by: synx
» RE: Bye bye Barack Posted by: phatkhat
» RE: Bye bye Barack Posted by: kimbari
» Obama Lost My Vote.... Posted by: woodford54
» Yes, defend those child rapists Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Bye bye Barack Posted by: esteph
Showing his true colors
Posted by: leland61 on Jun 27, 2008 3:55 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama is just showing his true colors. He is not a black liberal, he is a white reactionary in black face.

Along with his stance on 'free trade' and other issues, he is little more than McCain light.

So far we have candidates Tweedledum Tweedledee - thank you powers behind the curtain. The wizard has spoken, now you may choose your poison.

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» RE: Showing his true colors Posted by: hquain
» RE: Showing YOUR true colors Posted by: jimidee
» RE: jimidee Posted by: Longdream
Astonishing
Posted by: Hans B on Jun 27, 2008 4:40 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama's stance is astonishing and disappointing. At issue here should be the protection of children, not the satisfaction of gut emotion. Child abuse is usually an ongoing thing - unlike murder. It can only be interrupted if the child comes forward. And the child will not come forward if that means that Uncle Joe or Neighbor Tom will die because of his/her testimony.

You can't put that load on a child's shoulders, especially not on the shoulders of an already abused child.

My ex-girlfriend was abused as a child. The jailing of her abuser was a relief to her, because it made her feel safe. But would she have spoken out if that would have meant the death of her abuser? I'd have to ask her, but I suspect the answer is no. And the answer will certainly be no in the case of family members.

A mature person - and Obama is one - surely must recognize that in rape cases (whether of adults or of children), the first most important thing is to protect the victim and to ensure that she/he comes forward with as little pain or fear as possible. Capital punishment is the opposite road: it will give abusers an additional weapon with which to extort silence.

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» RE: Good point, but... Posted by: jimidee
» RE: Good point, but... Posted by: Hans B
» RE: Astonishing ignorance. Posted by: Longdream
An eye for an eye
Posted by: HBoyer on Jun 27, 2008 4:51 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The supreme court is right.
We should go back to the basics of law.
If a man rapes a child. They he should be raped.
and this criminal will go to prison and be raped repeatedly for many years by other prisoners.
He deserves no less.

Obama is pandering to votes no different than McCain. They are nothing more than prostitutes to a decaying political system in America that will eventually lead America to become a Corporate Fascist State.

SEIG HAIL

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» RE: SIEG HEIL! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: SIEG HEIL! Posted by: Dboy
» RE: An eye for an eye Posted by: Bibsisis
Obama was the stealth candidate of the neoliberal elite
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jun 27, 2008 5:04 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
with primaries on the way, the wolf is out of the sheep's clothing:

1. On FISA
"To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies."
-- Obama spokesman Bill Burton, Oct. 24, 2007

Obama's flip:
"Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program,"
- Obama said in a statement hours after the House approved the legislation 293-129

2. Death penalty - Obama sounds like he is channeling his hero Reagan the Retard

3. Obama's flip on public financing on elections

well the list goes on...

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It's a mans world!
Posted by: carbon-based on Jun 27, 2008 5:20 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I applaud Obama for taking a tough stance that goes against his base. Very "McCain" like.

I do not see how anyone could even consider NOT applying the death penalty to someone who rapes a child - although I go further - it should be applied to all rapists.. why isnt it..IT's a Mans world!

The SC needs more women, not more liberals!

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» RE: It's a WO-mans world! Posted by: jimidee
» RE: Post of the year! Posted by: Longdream
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» Disturbing comment Posted by: truthlover
Obamarama
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Jun 27, 2008 5:51 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm not nuts about this guy but I do recognize that he is the best of bad alternatives. For once, I'd like to see him assert something definitively and stick to it. If he is simply going to ride the winds of the polls and look for middle-ground votes he is nothing more than a huckster. Unfortunately, there are no liberals or progressives in positions of governance these days, other than Kucinich, but he is off the table as well as Bush and we are left with Obamarama. God save us....or somebody.

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» RE: Obamarama Posted by: StillStanding
Hard Left Positions Don't Win Elections
Posted by: desidid on Jun 27, 2008 6:13 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
and the sooner progressives realize this the better. Lamenting about Kucinich isn't going to move us forward. The reality is there is no perfect candidate. Single issue voters have to take the good with the bad. Look at the body of a candidates' work, is your general sense this person will reverse the direction we're headed or will they accelerate the pace toward a fascist theocracy. If you feel the latter is the case then by all means vote for anyone who you think will do the former. But submarining the best chance we have to change course isn't going to do any of us any good. I applaud the divergent opinions and encourage all to hold Obama to a higher purpose. I also encourage all to voice your concerns in a forum that really matters, Obama's website.

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» Except in Bolivia... Posted by: orionsan
» RE: xcept in Bolivia... Posted by: StillStanding
You can have him
Posted by: StillStanding on Jun 27, 2008 6:22 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If this were Obama's only capitulation to the right, I might give him a pass. However, it is but one of many. His new stance on NAFTA, his support of the heinous FISA bill, his dim-witted support of continuing the Cuba blockade and now this show me that he's just another spineless, hypocritical DLC collaborator.

He has betrayed his base and, while it may bhe the smart "political" thing to do, it shows he is a man of no principles and little character.

You can have him. He ain't getting my vote. My vote is too precious to squander on someone who talks out of both sides of his mouth. He has lost my trust completely and I can't imagine any way he could get it back.

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» Than you're an idiot . . . Posted by: Scientz
» RE: Than you're an idiot . . . Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: Than you're an idiot . . . Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: Than you're an idiot . . . Posted by: StillStanding
» Spoken like a true ideologue Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Veritas? Posted by: Longdream
» My principles . . .? Posted by: Scientz
» The most liberal record? Posted by: Hans B
» RE: You can have him Posted by: sunlakedude
» RE: That thinking got us Bush in 2000 Posted by: StillStanding
» "what got us Bush" Posted by: Hans B
» RE: That thinking got us Bush in 2000 Posted by: animalleaderisgreat
» RE: You can have him Posted by: miriamjewett
ONE MORE TIME
Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Jun 27, 2008 6:34 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The late playwright Arthur Miller said: "our main reason for cloaking our leadership with a certain magical, extra human, theatrical aura is to help disguise one of the basic conditions of their employment, namely, their readiness to kill for us."

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Death Penalty
Posted by: jmndodge on Jun 27, 2008 6:37 AM   
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I has been said that until we know what we are willing to die for, we don't really understand what we are willing to life for. While this has often been expressed in regard to defense, and many passionate peacemakers are not pacifists in the extreme (we need more of them) I'm not sure that in civil society when we are not at war, and when taking a life is not self-defense in the heat of passion and danger, that we can modify the expression to read, until we know what we are willing to kill for, we don't really understand what we are willing to live for. I admire Obama's candor and honesty, I long for a workable solution to child rape, (a solution which administers justice to the rapist, finds support and healing for the victum, and isolates and makes this rare to unknown within civil society) but, I see little evidence of the effectiveness of the death penality in producing the results desired. Indeed, rather than deterance, I often hear supporters speaking in tones of revenge. The best news is that Obama's mixed signals, lead me to expect the unlikely, a change in the dialogue to and from the white house.

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» RE: Death Penalty Posted by: orionsan
Executing rapists endangers victims' lives
Posted by: Julian on Jun 27, 2008 6:58 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Some of you folk don't seem to get it, and nor does Obama. Sure the threat of death is a disincentive to raping children (for the human garbage that need a disincentive). Hell I don't think many folk would even PARK illegally if doing so could mean execution. But anyone motivated by concern for the children and not macho posturing wouldn't want to see a strong disincentive to leaving the victim alive to tell the tale.

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» You really believe Posted by: wmm
» If You Think Of It That Way Posted by: pdxstudent
» RE: Sweet Jesus. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: The Death Penalty Posted by: Longdream
What is Rape
Posted by: curiousdwk on Jun 27, 2008 7:20 AM   
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I sat on a jury for an older man accused of raping a young girl. I was astonished to find out that "rape" did not need to have any penetration at all. Merely touching her vagina was enough to warrant the charge of rape.

Does this require the death sentence?

I think we need to take a look at how the rest of the world views the death sentence. We are barbarians when it comes to gun control and the death sentence. As a Humanist, I believe that we are all better than the worst we have ever been. We need to try to determine what can solve the problems, and how to make the offenders better people, rather than killing them for one act committed one time.

And shame on Obama for alienating so many of his followers. I feel, no, I know that he has alienated many more than he persuaded that he is "their guy for President". I know he has alienated me. Not that I'm going to vote for McCain, but I won't actively support Obama with either finances or time.

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» I couldn't agree more Posted by: purplewarrior
» RE: What is Rape Posted by: sunlakedude
» RE: What is Rape Posted by: goldenta
The child
Posted by: Karina on Jun 27, 2008 7:27 AM   
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... was an 8 year old girl, savagely raped in her bed by her stepfather, someone she should be able to trust.
She was raped so viciously that her uterus, cervical cavity, bowel and lower intestines had to be reconstructed.
She will never be able to bear her own children. She will never even have a "normal" bowel movement.
The difference in child rape is that she, at 65 pounds, cannot fight off a 270 pound man. I, as an adult, at least have a shot at defending myself.
She never had any chance at all. Her future has been devastated.

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» RE: The child Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: The child Posted by: synx
» RE: The child Posted by: Joni50
» Bless you for this Posted by: foreverhope
Obama & Energy
Posted by: sunlakedude on Jun 27, 2008 7:29 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
While I don't agree with Obama on this death penalty for child rape issue I, too, think that he's using a calculated move that his advisors came up with. He also beat McCain to the punch by making his statement several hours before McCain made his. I find his stance on offshore drilling to be much more problematic. As a resident of an "oil state" I am aware of the environmental damage that drilling can cause. But with oil prices going higher each day, the quesion is "Should the Federal Government ban drilling nationwide? Or should we leave it up to the individual states?"
If Florida doesn't want drilling off their beautiful beaches, so be it. But if another state decides to go with it, why should the Feds have anything to say about it? While it is true that drilling now isn't going to affect the price of oil immediately it may in the future when the oil comes online. Every little bit helps and we're going to need as much domestically produced oil as we can get to smooth the transition to renewable alternative energy.I'm afraid Obama's stance on drilling is going to be viewed as "non-action" by people who are looking for a way out of high energy prices.

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» RE: Obama & Energy Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: Obama & Energy Posted by: mrmystery
Why are you not talking about the victims of the crime?
Posted by: maggie.henry@gmail.com on Jun 27, 2008 7:52 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
All this rhetoric about Obama and the death penality...what about the child, the victim of this perversion? Why are you all so focused on the rights of the criminals and not the rights of the victim? What is the percentage of repeat offenses? How many lives do they get to ruin before you say enough? Give me a break!

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Child-Rape Isn't The Only Issue Here
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 27, 2008 8:01 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I posted this elsewhere, but I feel I should post it here too.

You know what it would have meant, had the Supreme Court ruled the other way? If the US can execute people for crimes not involving murder, then the list of "heinous" crimes which are punishable by death would have inevitably been expanded.
Soon we would be executing people for their "third-strike" felonies, no matter how mild the third felony was. We would be executing people for "terrorism", when the "terrorism" is having a simple disagreement with the government or is "eco-terrorism" vandalism not involving anyone's death.
"Drug king-pins" guilty only of selling marijuana would be put to death. This list goes on.

Also, I may be wrong, but in regards to those "war on terror" detainees that the US wants to execute, aren't many not accused of killing anyone?

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