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Rights and Liberties

Tragic Traps: Make a Mistake in America and You May Pay a Heavy Price for Decades

By Joe Bageant, CounterPunch. Posted June 17, 2008.


Unlucky citizens who fall victim to the U.S. justice system are treated like profit centers to be squeezed without mercy.
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Late at night through my window by the computer I can see my neighbor Stokes bicycling at 10 p.m. to the local convenience store to buy groceries. Not only is that an expensive way to feed one's self, but it is the only way for old Stokes to cop some grubs without getting thrown in jail. Seriously. As a convicted sex offender, he is not allowed to be near young women in a supermarket checkout line. Nor is he allowed to visit a park, or even his own grandchild, even though he is not a child molester by the court's own admission. He is not allowed to drink a beer. In fact, he is not even allowed to read Playboy Magazine.

A dozen or so years ago Stokes, now 66 with a gray ponytail, an altogether gentle soul who labors under the illusion he looks like Willie Nelson, (and even has a framed photo of Willie on his wall to invite comparison). Got caught by police in a, shall we say, "a vehicular sexual incident" with a married woman. They were both drunk, big deal. That happens in beer joints. To make a long story short, by the time they got to court, the lady's testimony was that it was all against her will, which being a married woman, solved a lot of problems for her. That resulted in Stokes being convicted as a sex offender, while his public defender all but slept through the trial.

To make matters worse, Stokes had an unregistered handgun stashed in his car. Stupid, I know, but rednecks are often like that, and I'd be willing to bet there are more unregistered handguns than registered ones around here. This may horrify urban liberals, but legal or not, it is the common practice of tens of thousands of people down here in the southern climes of our great nation. It's also common practice nationwide to many thousands of cab drivers, night clerks, hotel parking valets, bill collectors, repo men, single women and god only knows how many others. At any rate, thanks to the gun that he never touched, Stokes was prosecuted for armed abduction for sexual purposes and did ten years.

He's been out for years now. But he was released into an entirely different world than he left -- one that seems scripted by Adam Smith and Hanging Judge Roy Bean. As a convicted felon, he has been released from prison to serve a new sentence to serve time as a profit center for our economy. In truth, he has been one from the day he was charged.

First off, he was a profit center for the prison where he served his time. Now it is fairly common knowledge that America's burgeoning system of privatized prisons, "super jails," and related services has been a boon for corporations such as Corrections Corporation of America, Geo Group (formerly Wackenhut Corrections Corp.) and their investors. Prisoner leasing programs such as Florida's, which rents out prison labor for less than 50 cents an hour to private industry in the name of "job training," make building more prisons an attractive option for state governments and investors. It also makes recidivism desirable, since it assures the prison labor pool. Somewhere between 1 percent and 2 percent of Americans are behind bars, locked up at any given time, and as many more are on probation or under state monitoring. Obviously, capitalist style punishment is a solid financial investment.

Now I am not about to screech here that our prison system is anywhere near that created by Uncle Joe Stalin. We do not have 9 million people in it, and we do not get sent there for being late for work at the factory, our factories having been outsourced. However, after 1929 Stalin's prison camps were transformed to an economic machine. And in order to fulfill the camps' economic goals, more and more prisoners were required, just as more prisoners are required to fulfill the investor goals of Corrections Corporation of America, Geo Group. In any case, convictions are profitable and the more of them there are, the more money both private interests and the state take in.

That in itself is way the hell past just being strange. But throw in the term sex offender and get on the registered sex offender list (which seems to be mostly filled with Johns who solicited prostitutes, though you'd never know it by the way they name the offense) and it all gets really weird. Chilling even. This is partly because of the taboo and stigma associated, but mostly for the bizarre monitoring rules, and the money involved in enforcement. For example, Stokes must pay a couple hundred a month for counseling, group therapy and so on, until they tell him he can stop doing so. This therapy mainly amounts to listening to the stories of more serious offenders, such as child molesters, even though he is not one but is being treated by law as if he were. Such is the fate of being legally shackled to any of dozens of types of "certified sex offender treatment providers," an ever expanding industry they tell me.


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Joe Bageant is author of the book Deer Hunting With Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War. (Random House Crown), about working class America. A complete archive of his on-line work, along with the thoughts of many working Americans on the subject of class may be found on his website.

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yes, there is a class war in America
Posted by: Lector on Jun 17, 2008 12:46 AM   
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The white working class that Bageant writes about generally votes for the Republican party which has a unique relationship with this permanent underclass, this underclass in turn blames the erosion of their traditions and values on the Liberals instead of on raping and pillaging self interested Republicans who use religion and fear to herd them to the slaughterhouse. Neo-cons understand the real secret to running this country, fear and religion because a real education system could have a liberalizing effect on all the people and what would we have then? Maybe democracy.

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I read this on your blog, Joe, and it's an excellent article.
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Jun 17, 2008 1:24 AM   
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About a year and a half ago, my sister had a run in with the law. She and her husband had been fighting, and their marriage is generally unstable. Well, she ended up getting her own apartment, separate from the house she and her husband had shared. The fighting continued, perhaps exacerbated by her moving out.

It got to the point where she drove by their house once and threw a rock through the porch window, out of spite. He called the police out of spite.

The window was about six inches by six inches square, a replacement would have cost a few dollars, and the rock didn't even break the whole thing, just punched about a two-inch hole in it. The rock must have been about an inch in diameter.

The police issued a warrant for her arrest. She learned of this from her husband, who even told the police when they were at the house examining the situation that he was only doing this so that she'd have a criminal record, in case their marriage ended in divorce. That way he could protect his assets.

My sister turned herself in, spent the weekend in jail crying over the phone to her family to bail her out (it was too late at night, and the weekend was coming, so she had to wait until Monday), and faced multiple charges including disorderly conduct, vandalism, and domestic violence. I wondered how she could be charged with domestic violence for breaking her own window - a cheap one at that - and the cop at the jail told me that any act of violence, even against property, that occurs within the context of an intimate relationship can be charged as domestic violence.

Prosecutors like to make numerous charges in the hope one of a few will stick, or in the hope that the defendant will be more likely to plea bargain and the more severe ones will be dropped. It's good for their careers to have so many convictions on their records.

My sister did the plea bargain so as to avoid a jail sentence. She didn't fight the charges. She had to go to expensive domestic violence classes for six months, which cost her a couple thousand dollars altogether. She had to meet with a probation officer and submit urine tests. She was not allowed to use any drugs or even alcohol. She had to submit to random drug tests, where police would show up at her place and demand she go submit a urine sample. She had to forfeit her right to own a firearm for the rest of her life. And of course, she now has a criminal record that includes domestic violence, so half of her job options are gone.

All this happened because her marriage turned bitter, she threw a rock a small window on the porch of her own house because she was angry and hurt, and her husband wanted her to have a criminal record in case they ended up divorcing.

The justice system in this country is a joke. It has no moral legitimacy, only the threat of force (imprisonment, a criminal record etc.) to back it up.

These kind of horrific situations can befall anyone who has the gall to exhibit natural human emotions, like Stokes having sex with a woman or my sister being bitter at her husband for the bad state of their relationship and making an indirect gesture for attention like throwing a rock through the house window. Hell, the safest way to live in our society is to have no social contacts, therefore no one to get tangled up with when life inevitably gets sticky. Maybe this is where we're headed as a society.

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» You're a pussy, dude. Posted by: andabottleof_rum
» RE: You're a pussy, dude. Posted by: pomes
Society has a legitimate right to protect itself from predators
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jun 17, 2008 1:30 AM   
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But does anyone believe that this system actually does that?

We breed criminals here - then send them to "warrior schools" for advanced predation training, make it impossible for them to return to citizenship upon release even if they have resolved to keep to the "straight and narrow."

We constantly hear about high recidivism rates - 70% within three years, I have heard. Is all that really necessary? And what of the 30% who manage to jump through all the hoops? Do we lift our foot from their necks? Allow them decent employment and housing?

What about the children of these convicts? How much punishment do they deserve after their parent has done their time? As we continue to punish and marginalize these citizens, how many consider that they have families who are also punished and marginalized?

Surely we could identify the real incorrigibles and cut the rest a bit of slack. It is ironic (but completely unsurprising to a lot of us) that this oh so Christian society that pays so much lip service to forgiveness spends so much resources on marginalization and persecution.

DNA has established that many of our innocent citizens have been incarcerated for rape. How many are still locked up - with no hope of eventual exoneration - because DNA wasn't an issue?

Far better - once you have been charged - to be rich and guilty than poor and innocent. We have the best justice system money can buy.

Has all this made us safer?

NO! It's actually safer in some war zones than here.

Must be because we don't lock enough of em up long enough - right?

NO!

We have the highest incarceration rate of any industrialized country - including the police state China!

We also have politicians who would rather pander to our fears than employ intelligence and reason to our problems - because there is power in it for them and cash for their patrons.

Our "Justice System" is irredeemably broken in this "land of the free." As long as cynical manipulation of citizen paranoia is a quick entree to the halls of power, it can never be fixed.

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Dammit! Don't y'all understand?
Posted by: mizipi on Jun 17, 2008 1:50 AM   
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That we have to fight for freedom and liberty and justice in such places as Iraq and Afghanistan so the rest of the world can enjoy a society such as ours. Those damn Iranians are lunatics, so every freedom loving American should get on board the war-machine to blow them to smithereens! I can't wait until my own government has to burn the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution to generate revenue for some obscure lie that the media perpetuates and the gullible public consumes.

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» RE: Dammit! Don't y'all understand? Posted by: edgeofnowhere
AMEN!!!!
Posted by: zman6919 on Jun 17, 2008 2:23 AM   
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I've been saying this on my blog for a long time now.

PRISON IS A BUSINESS, AND BUSINESS IS GOOD!!!!

GREAT ARTICLE!!!!

I posted it on my blog, hope you don't mind, it's about these draconian sex offender laws...

http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/

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» That's a courageous blog. Posted by: fanny666
Vigilantes
Posted by: zman6919 on Jun 17, 2008 2:25 AM   
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You should also check out Corrupted-Justice.com, they are against Perverted-Justice tactics and the following is a law suit from the self proclaimed vigilantes online who love to harass sex offenders, just because they are sex offenders and they were abused sometime in their lives.

http://www.corrupted-justice.com/article28.html

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What have we become?
Posted by: marid on Jun 17, 2008 3:57 AM   
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When we allow private business to reap profits from human misery and stupidity? How low can we stoop? Judging from the past 7 plus years I would say pretty low.

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» RE: What have we become? Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon
» RE: What have we become? Posted by: Sushi
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Rape Culture
Posted by: EKSwitaj on Jun 17, 2008 4:20 AM   
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OK, I'm sure you make good points about a profit-driven "justice" system in this article, but after the introduction, I felt too sick to read it. Is there a reason why you needed to start with a woman-lies-about-rape-and-ruins-man's-life story? Were you cynically playing off sexist tropes in order to garner sympathy for the cause? Do you realize that the prevalence of such narratives only increases the tendency to disbelieve women who say they were raped?

You may see a "gentle soul", but the fact is that plenty of men who seem that way (especially to other men) are rapists. Did you even stop to think that maybe, just maybe, the man and not the woman was lying?

Again, I'm sure you've made a fine contribution to the struggle against prison profiteering, but unfortunately you've also contributed to rape culture.

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The Punishment Society
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 17, 2008 4:36 AM   
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As the years move forth, and the fact that America's national treasure has been looted beyond repair, our government is going to have to come up with ways to make a lot of extra cash. The money is going to come from the pockets of the poor and middle classes.

We will surely become a punative society. We will be fined for the stupidest, trivial transgressions. Laws will be passed that will make it easier to throw the people into those private, for-profit prisons that the article speaks of. Watch your step.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Sunday Will Never Be The Same

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It's always been....
Posted by: Marlena on Jun 17, 2008 5:08 AM   
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the wealthy who profit from the work of others, its the "capitalist way" And once you are a profit center for them, they never stop...til you are dead. Prisons for Profit are slave labor camps. We truly live in a fascist society, where the crops control us. Fascism is the iron fist of capitalism, and it will beat us to death

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» RE: It's always been.... Posted by: Dboy
The Business of Criminalizing Everyone
Posted by: be marc on Jun 17, 2008 5:17 AM   
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When you write laws that criminalize tens of millions of otherwise law-abiding citizens and enforce those laws with police state tactics and heartless prosecutors you create a huge criminal class.
It used to be most criminals were real criminals and not people most folks would hang out with. Now there are so many victimless "crimes" one can be convicted of that there are a lot of pretty nice people with criminal records. And of course they've been marginalized since those records affect their employment and other opportunities.
Per capita more people are involved with the US criminal injustice system than any other on the planet.
Yes, crime is a business and business is GOOD.

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Welcome, Brother
Posted by: jiaomenfu on Jun 17, 2008 5:40 AM   
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It is very frustrating and sad to read a story about such injustice. However, I believe there should be many more stories of injustice like that of Stokes'. You see, Mr. Stokes is white and the modern-day plantations of America have been making a profit off African Amercians and other minorities long before Mr. Stokes was born, no one cared. This is an unfortunate fact of life in our society, but when whites get abused in large numbers by our judicial and economic systems, positive change is usually on the horizon. My heart goes out to Mr. Stokes, but I look foward to more stories like his. Stories where whites are abused in large numbers by a system that traditionally abuses only minorities. You see, in this case, Misery won't be looking for company, it will be looking for relief. In doing so, maybe, just maybe, minorities will get some, too.

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Really good piece about an infuriating situation
Posted by: PerryBrass on Jun 17, 2008 5:44 AM   
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I thought this was a really good piece about how we live now: that so many people are on the edge in America that suicides now outnumber homicides by almost 2 to 1. That the whole "business of America" is now "every business is the same," and it's all "business." So whether the business is locking people up, your health care, your kids' education, the safety of planes, cars, or humans, it all boils down to whose "profit centers" are we talking about. The important thing is that there should be no alternative to any of this: you're stuck in it, and any attempt to get out or change it is futile, because you just get locked into another "profit center." Congrats on a great piece of writing.

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Our Wonderful Police State!
Posted by: Cybershaman on Jun 17, 2008 6:19 AM   
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Those who are not targetted by it, rarely notice it. By the time those who are normally insulated from it notice it, it is too late to change. Glad to see people are waking up. Hope it isn't too late.

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Lowest common denominator
Posted by: fdgsr on Jun 17, 2008 6:22 AM   
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American justice is simple. All complicated problems are simplified to the LCD. I learned that in math class in school. Without providing statistics that any person with fingers, a keyboard, a computer, and enough time to Google with appropriate keywords can find in an instant with broadband, and in several minutes with dial up, can do, I offer this.

Check the voter registration roles in your precinct and compare with the population statistics. Also check on who ran for Sheriff in your county the past several years. How many people voted your Mayor into office. Check on how the deputies qualify for your Sheriff to hire them. Go to a police academy and check on the students who will man your police forces.

You will find that the quality of the police force and government officials finds its level based on salary and benefits offered, the tax base of your subdivision, and the education level and voter participation in elections.

This is the lowest common denominator of the ratio of law enforcement to the quality of the attitude of the population base.

In a sense we get what we deserve, though our democratic system promises more. More is available but seldom received. If ballots don't do it, eventually bullets will. Revolution is a revolt against authority. Who is the author of the rules? Who taught you math and civics?

What's in your wallet?

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» RE: Lowest common denominator Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
Great Article, But You Should Have Included Another Example...
Posted by: CharlesRoland on Jun 17, 2008 6:27 AM   
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I have been negatively affected by this system because of my previous addiction to an illegal substance. Thankfully, due to the efforts of a high-priced lawyer, I was given probation rather than jail time because I was "self-medicating depression". Unfortunatley, I acquired a felony for distribution of a "Class A Substance" (Heroin). Even though the drugs on my person were mostly for my own use I was in fact also making a drug run for some friends. I got caught in the middle of my "Drug Deal" in the center of Boston's business district Who knew that I was smack in the middle of a "School Zone". My lawyer told me that "everywhere in Boston is a School Zone". Even though I got the School Zone dropped - and even though the judge agreed I was "self-medicating" a previously undiagnosed issue with bipolar disorder, I was still given probation and a felony. Even though I wasn't in my car I was forced to forfeit my driver's license for over a year. I was also forced to pay fines to the DMV. I was also forced to re-take my driver's test (even though I have been driving for decades) and pay hundreds in extra fees.
More than seven years after I was arrested, and almost five years since my probation ended, I was unable to get a license to drive a taxi or limo in my town because of my felony. The list of jobs I will never be considered for is very long - basically, I can't hold any job that requires a license - a hair dreeser, and electrician, a taxi driver, etc. I can't work in a hospital, nursing home, or any health care position. I can't own a gun - even though I have NEVER had an arrest or conviction for a violent crime.

And on a positive note, Mass Rehab helped get me into our local State College. Contrary to popular belief, I was in fact eligible for Financial Aid and Student Loans. There was a law in the 90's that took away the opportunity for people with drug-related offenses to receive aid - but that was changed a few years ago. One must state on the application that they had drug treatment after the offense.
Now that I am only a semester away from graduation (Magna Cum Laude) I am finding that my opportunities will be limited. In Massachusetts we have a CORI system that potential employers use to find out personal information about a prospective employee. The CORI system was put in place in the 70's to give police a way to find out the criminal history of a person. Unfortunatley, the system has been perverted to provide personal information to anyone. Employers, Landlords, Banks, etc. can access your history 24 hours a day. Any interaction with the court system is listed and, without training, is hard to understand. A Not-Guilty verdict looks just as bad as a Guilty verdict. Anything listed - good, bad, or continued without a finding - the person's application is thrown in the garbage. The checkbox on an application that askes if a person has anything on their CORI Record is also a sure way to have your application not considered. I can understand penalizing violent offenders, arsonists, terrorists, and REAL sex offenders (not an 18-year-old who slept with a person a month away from the age of consent), but non violent drug offenders and people with misdemeanors should be exempt from having their info. displayed on the system for anyone to see. It used to be that one payed their debt back to society after their jail time or probation was finished. Now, it goes on and on for years and includes fines and fees on things that had nothing to do with the supposed crime. I say "supposed" because too many punishable actions should not be considered a crime. Prosecuting personal drug use, for example, is a waste of the courts time and taxpayer money.
I look forward to reading more articles pertaining to these issues. Also, please consider an article on CORI Reform, which is currently being considered in Massachusetts.
Sincerely,
Charles Roland

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Money Making Machine
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jun 17, 2008 6:35 AM   
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No doubt about it. The "legal system" as we know it is a money making machine. A "for profit" business where bribery and corruption rules. Pretty sad indeed.

JT
Ultimate Anonymity

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America -The Moral
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 17, 2008 6:48 AM   
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This article does make a point about how "justice" is doled out in America. As the "Good Christian" people get fired up about the "culture of life" maybe they could consider the many lives that have been ruined because of lies. While rape and child molestation are serious offenses which should be punished, I don't believe that our criminal justice system is adequately handling the problem. We as a society really need to have many honest conversations about a whole host of issues that affect everyone in society. We need to stop allowing our fears - along with political partisan pandering to divide us while the corporations are profiteering off of our collective misery. For those that don't choose to remember Ronald Reagan came into office screaming that "government was bad", 30 years later so many functions of government have been outsourced to private industry all without the public really realizing what's going on. America it is time that we wake up and take back this country from the special interest monied crowd.

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21st Century Witch Hunt
Posted by: Libertine on Jun 17, 2008 7:28 AM   
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The enforcement of the latest crime category du jour, that of "Sex Offender", has turned into a modern witch hunt almost to the point of hysteria in some instances. The classification paints an absurdly broad brush in true zero tolerance style and, in many instances, leaves reason and common sense behind, where the punishments no longer fit the crimes.

When the average person hears the term, "sex offender", they think of pedophile predators raping five year olds, who, of course, should be punished harshly.

What many people don't realize is that the classification of "sex offender" encompasses many offenses, many of them minor, and some with only the most tenuous connections to sex under its ridiculous broad "umbrella".

A sex offender can be someone who had consensual sex, as in the article, with someone who later regrets their consent for whatever reason and decides to press charges for date rape.

A sex offender can be a teenager having consensual sex or getting a blow job from a slightly younger girlfriend, as in the case of Genarlow Wilson. Millions of so-called sex offenders are simply teenage boyfriend/girlfriend realationships doing what teens have done for hundreds of years. The difference today is that parents turn to the legal system to act in a parental role for them and handle these situations rather than handling it themselves privately, as was done in the past, thus permanently ruining a young man's life for underage consensual sex. The harsh penalties that in no way fit the crime in such cases make the shotgun wedding seem like a more humane solution!

In some states, a person can even be classified as a "sex offender" for the rest of his life if he was arrested for urinating outdoors behind a dumpster! Such ludicrously blockheaded applications of the law fail to distinguish between someone purposely exposing themselves to others for sexual purposes and someone who simply wants to avoid soiling themselves because they cannot wait until they can find a restroom.

Once branded as "sex offenders", such people, few of whom are the true pedophile predators, are relegated to a permanent second class existence in the ways shown in the article. I even heard of several of these men being compelled by the state of Florida to live under a bridge because of all the restrictions on where they may live barred them from any normal housing in the area where they are under probation.

All this sex offender hysteria makes me wonder -- what about murderers who are out on parole, probation, or who have completed their obligations? No one seems to care overmuch where they live, where they work, nor are their movements normally restricted among the general public to the same degree as sex offenders. Do we really believe that someone who has killed another person, sometimes violently, is less of a danger to the public than a 17 year old boy who once got a consensual blowjob from his fifteen year old girlfriend, a public pee-er, or an adult who had drunken consensual sex in a car with a grown woman who later regretted it once she sobered up?

It's time lawmakers applied some rational, common-sense logic to the bloated "sex offender" classification and reserved this label for the true pedophiles and predators out there.

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» Don't give them any ideas Posted by: blogbooks
» RE: Don't give them any ideas Posted by: Cybershaman
Fear is the name of the game
Posted by: blogbooks on Jun 17, 2008 7:33 AM   
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When any minor infraction leaves you completely screwed forever, unable to find work, unable to find housing, cast out of civil society to live as a pariah, you learn to fear "justice."

Of course the rules of the game apply less and less as you become more wealthy. How many celebrities or politicians would be unemployed on the streets if they lacked their wealth to buy "forgiveness."

You want obedience from the peasants? You must make them know fear.

I'd say our system is working as intended.

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capital pinishment would work
Posted by: aamer923 on Jun 17, 2008 7:34 AM   
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no need for incarceration. Capital punishment will do. castrate the bastards. just the threat of capital punishment will protect us. there will be very few crimes. Singapore lashes people but is safer, Iran is safer. You can make fun of them but they are safer Death penalty works but the chance of a killer not being killed here in the US is more thn 99%. That is why it does not work. three strike child molester should not be alive. call me barbaric but I would rather lash the bastards than have 90000 rapes every year

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» Citations for your statements? Posted by: fanny666
Prisons, like FLDS Mormons, Remove Excess Males
Posted by: scheherezade on Jun 17, 2008 8:28 AM   
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A great percentage of incarcarations in this country serve the same function as long drawn-out wars used to -- they allow fat, balding, middle-aged male pigs to get rid of younger competition.

The FLDS Mormons accomplished this (and offered de facto anthropological affirmation of this basic male drive) by banishing young males.

But with soooo many soldiers now actually surviving our made-up wars (despite Walter Reed's best efforts to neglect them) we have to find new ways to get rid of excess males.

Enter the drug war, Byzantine child support rules, planted evidence, etc. It's not a formal conspiracy -- it's just males taking advantage of power inequalities to knock off the competition.

Women would do the same -- but they lack the institutional military, policing and judicial power enjoyed by men.

Meanwhile, pretty, 28-year old Jennifer Porter got away with a March 31, 2004 Tampa hit-and-run where she ran over 4 children, killing 2 (she dragged the 3 year old 120 feet).

Porter ran home, hid, and returned to her teaching job the next day. Her parents were complicit in the cover up. She only turned herself in (several days later) when it became clear the police were looking for a van like hers.

Her punishment for killing 2 children?

54-year-old, white, ex-Army officer Judge Emmett Lamar Battles sentenced Porter to community service. Battles said the accident had 'traumatized' Porter, and that she had expressed remorse, as reasons for the light sentence.

Of course, the children were black.

Would a black (or white) man have received the same sentence for a hit-and-run on two white children? Would a black women? An unattractive white woman? Did Battles masturbate after his heroic rescue of Ms. Porter from doing hard time?

We'll never know, but I have a feeling monkeys and anthropologists alike have a pretty good idea.

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Democrats would rather appear "Tough On Crime" than to win elections
Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 17, 2008 9:05 AM   
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I'm betting that this person Stokes is also not even allowed to vote anymore. To me, that's one of the craziest aspects of the American penal system- in many states even AFTER someone has "paid their debt to society" they are still not allowed to VOTE!

A brilliant Republican strategy to insure that millions of poor people- who would vote Democrat- are kept out of the voting booth. And the Democrats do what they do best, which is to allow the Republicans to set the terms of the debate, so they go along with it lest they appear "soft on crime." Whatever happened to "Smart On Crime"?

By the way, Corrections Corporation of America donates heavily to Republicans (Geo Group/ Wackenhut spreads it around a bit more). Here is a free MP3 lecture from Angela Davis on the Prison-Industrial System where she talks about this issue. (From the Excellent "Unwelcome Guests" radio show)

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no child left behind
Posted by: orionsan on Jun 17, 2008 9:39 AM   
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Years ago in Texas I had a temp job where most of my co-workers were felons in a work-release program living in halfway houses, which gave me a bit of insight into this system we have today. Basically, a felony gives society the permanent right to be prejudiced against you, and it is something you can't really escape, even after you do your time.

At the same time, they were breaking ground on all those private prisons in Texas, which had about a ten year lead time from planning to completion. Most of the guys I worked with started doing their prison time in their late teens to early twenties, mostly drug crimes borne of economic neccesity. So basically, in a system that simulatneously underfunded education, especially for the poor, yet held them accountable for their poor education, the prison beds where being built on the new "prison plantation" to take them in as soon as they came of age. This system looked forward to the neglected innocent childern of today being the convicted prison labor of tomorrow.

Combine this with the sweatshop labor we expliot overseas, and you get the feeling that maybe the South won the civil war after all, and slavery is flourishing like never before.

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Problems
Posted by: willymack on Jun 17, 2008 9:56 AM   
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Since Ronnie Boy impersonated our president, and with the help of the Texas Turd, we've piled up so many problems (for us poor ordinary people, that is) that unravelling the mess will be a monumental, but necessary task. Top priority will be to get over the hurtle of lies sure to be levelled at the Obama campaign, and the fraudulent vote counting just as sure to follow. With Obama in the White House, it will be of primary importance to make the bushies face the music for their eight year crime spree, followed by the elimination of the "patriot" act, homeland security, Guantanamo, and the phony "war on terror", including ending the illegal occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. Reform of our justice system must follow, but in the short run, it'll probably get short shrift until the more urgent problems are tackled.

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Fighter for Civil Rights
Posted by: hats on Jun 17, 2008 9:57 AM   
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I see there are a few people that think we ALL support rape and child molestation. I know of NOT ONE GROUP who supports rape or child molestation or any violent crime. What we all FIGHT for is civil rights for those caught in a ridiculous system. My son chatted his way onto the list, never met his friend, never was going to meet her--he KNEW she was 15 so therefore they chatted for over 2 years ONLY. Daddy caught her, grounded her and gave a life sentence to my son. Louisiana law says "Computer Aided Solicitation of a Minor" has a mandatory 2-10 year sentence hard labor. (I'm talking my son said "I wish you were legal" here) My son is in prison now and will be on parole next year IF he can follow all of their rules. He has to register as a sex offender no telling how long, they keep changing the laws!!! He signed papers stating it was 10 years, we'll see about that one.

Look up Senator Mark Foley and others in the LOUISIANA system who are not listed as sex offenders when Foley did EXACTLY (almost, he MET his fellow, a 16 year old page, my son NEVER met his friend) what my son is in prison for now! What's the deal with that one? It's WHO YOU KNOW, WHO YOU ARE. It's not legitimate law in the South.

The Governor of Louisiana has gone WAY overboard stating "All Sex Offenders need to live in Angola" ?? ALL sex offenders? Chatting ones? urinating in public ones? Ones who mooned someone? ALL??? Consensual teens having sex ones? Come on Governor Jindal. We need to differentiate WHO is a danger to our children and who is NOT. The Registry was meant to help, not hinder lawmakers. Right now it includes everyone, including all those I mention above -- WITH the baddest of the bad we all want to have punished. When will our lawmakers see the TRUTH? NO ONE supports rape or child molestation or any violent criminal behavior, NO ONE. My son will be listed as the most violent type - "Aggravated Sexual Assault of a Child" when he never even met the gal, all because of the age difference (which is quite normal, when I was 16 I would mainly date guys in their late 20's - they were a bit more mature than 16-20 year olds for SURE!) - 7 years. My son was 22 and she was 15. She had other boys she was doing the same thing with, so don't go knocking on my sons door alone. Age of Consent (I'm talking CONSENT, not rape) should be 13 at the MOST. ALL GIRLS age 13 know exactly how to say "NO". I did, all my friends did (but most said yes).

Find the Human Rights Watch 146 page booklet and read it. It's called "No Easy Answers". Inform yourselves what this country has done to over 600,000 people who MOST are of NO harm to anyone ever again. We are a sad example as a Christian nation not forgiving an entire class of citizens, yes, citizens. We can forgive murderers, we can forgive the drug dealer who ends up killing 10 kids, we can forgive the drunk driver who plowed down an entire group of people, we can even forgive serial killers, but we cannot forgive chatting online or teen sex, or tinkling in public. Unbelievable. I, for one, forgive them and want them to have normalcy in their lives so they can move forward. If they need counseling, so be it, but let them live!

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» How I feel for you Posted by: callejero
» my sympathy Posted by: deborama
The "Criminal" Justice System..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 17, 2008 10:33 AM   
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That's why they call it the "Criminal" Justice System..

The whole prison industry is dangerous and corrupt..they bankrupted this county of Ulster NY with a new county jail scam that stole our tobacco settlement money earmarked for health and education what should have been $36 million and spent it on debts, so they could build a $150 million dollar county jail that ran 100% plus over budget..creating an even worse and much bigger debt..

Of course none of those involved went to jail..

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The Just-Us system...
Posted by: Romantic Violence on Jun 17, 2008 10:46 AM   
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We need to realize that these 'crimes against humanity' didn't just emerge overnight. Senators, legislators, judges, po-lice officers, and etc. couldn't have created this system of inhumanity without support from guess who? We the People are complicit in creating this bullshit. We the People supported this insanity when we believed that 'tough on what ever laws' would effect only the most odious offenders. We felt immune, outside, and privileged. Now the seeds of misery that we have sown for others have now come back to haunt everyone. Anyone remembers Megan's Law? The law was supposed to target just 'child molesters' right? The law even has provisions to detain 'offenders' indefinitely even after they have served their sentences for the protection of society right? Wrong! Now everyone in prison is subject to the same treatment; internet photos, registration we know as parole, and the like. Visit NJDOC website. That's just one state. We have 50. 'Tough on laws' are not stationary; by contrast they are control mechanisms that are expansive. In spite of the injustice present in the 'justice' system, we continue to support our 'local police' no matter what. So stop complaining about what the 'terror system' is doing to its citizenry for it is WE WHO SUPPORTED THIS SHIT; IT IS WE WHO ARE GUILTY for allowing far removed others to define what justice is. All of this injustice has its roots in preying upon the fears of the middle classes and the self indulgent ignorance of the poor. Fear is such a lovely thing-if you are a politician and know how to use it on the uninformed, the weak, and the apathetic. I've always said that if you scare up enough people, give them illusion of justice and security; those same people will vote themselves and others into a concentration camp. It happened a long time ago already.

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» RE: The Just-Us system... Posted by: xenocyd
» RE: The Just-Us system... Posted by: Romantic Violence
sex offenders dilemma.
Posted by: nadine sellers on Jun 17, 2008 10:59 AM   
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Joe Bageant provides a detailed portrait of the consequences of ordinary life situations in a climate of greed and fear, this has become an atmosphere where love, sex and touching are considered dangerous outside of the bedroom.
What happens to the skin starved, gregarious beings who have natural impulses? natural needs?
What happens to the child who needs comfort, can't get any relief from friends, neighbors or teachers, not preachers either..

We live in a nation of paranoid reaction. A condition of profiteering from these reactions.
Parents are too busy, people are too lonely and now, it's time to drown all emotions in the cold shower, because any human bonding is going to be exploited and sold down the profit mill.

better turn off that love song on the radio, someone could sell your name to the legal potentate. that's one job we have not exported yet. prison racketeering.

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221 Years of "Slavery...as a Punishment for Crime..."
Posted by: prisonslavery on Jun 17, 2008 10:59 AM   
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Remember Jr. High School History classes? That's where we were taught all slavery had been abolished in our nation by virtue of a
great and bloody Civil War in America, and the resulting 13th Amendment made all slavery unconstitutional and illegal.

The Thirteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution (12/18/1865) states:

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, EXCEPT AS A PUNISHMENT FOR CRIME WHEREOF THE PARTY SHALL HAVE BEEN DULY CONVICTED, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

It's not that our teachers lied to us, because they hadn't been taught about the Exception for "slavery...as a punishment for crime..." Most attorney's remain ignorant about this screaming EXCEPTION; and "yes" it is a cash-cow, a production unit of the King Cotton agribusiness Slave Master for-profit corporate LLC Convict/Inmate/Prisoner Lease System at $35,000 per year per head, plus. And that's just for starters.

For years people have wanted to abolish that Exception for "slavery...as a punishment for crime" to read:

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

No EXCEPTIONS!

A few good readers of this great article rightfully seek other examples. Here's one.

30+ years ago a young husband defended his pregnant wife from the attacks of a millionare slumlord, and spent 5 years in prison, with 2 years on parole. 20+ years later the slavocracy class continues to deny the now older man gainful employment.

Some fo