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Worse Than Fascists: Christian Political Group 'The Family' Openly Reveres Hitler

By Lindsay Beyerstein, AlterNet. Posted June 12, 2008.


In his new book, The Family, author Jeff Sharlet reveals sordid details about this power-hungry, inside-the-Beltway fundamentalist group.
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Did you know that the National Prayer Breakfast is sponsored by a shadowy cabal of elite Christian fundamentalists? Jeff Sharlet's new book, "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power," offers a rare glimpse of this remarkable network, which is known variously as the Family, the Fellowship and the International Foundation.

The Family was founded 70 years ago by Abraham Vereide, a Norwegian immigrant evangelist based in Seattle. In 1935, Vereide said, God appeared to him in a vision and revealed where Christianity had gone wrong: preoccupation with the poor, the weak and the suffering.

The down-and-out were in no position to bring about the Kingdom of God, Vereide realized. Some Christians believe that the rapture is imminent, but not the Family. They're convinced that Jesus won't return until we get our collective house in order. If they were to wait for the down-and-out to remake the world in God's image, we could be here forever.

Besides, in Seattle in the 1930s, union agitators were making a play for the down-and-out. Christianity promised rewards in the hereafter, but workers in the Pacific Northwest were starting to wonder why they had to wait so long. Instead of competing for market share with the Industrial Workers of the World, Vereide sought a different niche.

His new plan was to target men who were already powerful and turn them to God -- and wouldn't you know it, God hated unions, too.

Through personal relationships and small group encounters, Vereide united captains of industry and politicians as a Biblical bulwark against the increasing power of organized labor.

In the late 1940s, the Family helped roll back key pro-labor provisions of the New Deal. Later, the Family did its part for the Cold War by cultivating anti-communist strongmen around the world, including repressive leaders like Suharto of Indonesia and Jonas Savimbi of Angola.

The roster of current and former Family members includes senators, congressmen, Fortune 500 CEOs, generals and at least one Supreme Court justice. The Family does not publish membership lists, and its members are sworn to secrecy, so a full accounting is impossible.

Sen. Hillary Clinton has been involved with the Family since 1993 when, as first lady, she joined a White House prayer circle for political wives. Clinton has also sought spiritual counseling from the current head of the Family, Doug Coe. Sharlet argues that Clinton's longtime association with the Family has helped her forge working relationships with powerful religious conservatives such as Family member and anti-abortion crusader Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas.

The Family nurtures the next generation of prayer warriors in suburban dormitories. Sharlet spent nearly a month living at Ivanwald, a dormitory in Virginia where sons of the Family are sent to immerse themselves in Jesus and clean the toilets of congressmen and senators.

The Family also runs a house on C Street in Washington, D.C. The C Street Center has housed a number of federal legislators, including Sen. John Ensign of Nevada. Residents allege that the center is just a cheap place to live, but as an Ivanwald brother, Sharlet saw firsthand that the center is a religious community. As far as the IRS is concerned, the C Street Center is a church.

Members will tell you that the Family is just a group of friends. As Sharlet discovered, 600 boxes of documents at the Billy Graham Center Archives tell a different story.

AlterNet writer Lindsay Beyerstein recently sat down with Jeff Sharlet at a Brooklyn coffee shop to discuss the Family.

Lindsay Beyerstein What is the Family?

Jeff Sharlet: It's an international network of evangelical activists in government, military and business. The Family is dedicated to this idea that Christianity has gotten it all wrong for two thousand years by focusing on the poor, the suffering and the weak.

The Family says that instead, what Christians should do is minister to the up-and-out -- as opposed to the down-and-out -- to those that are already powerful. Because if they can win those people for Christ, they win the whole deal. That's what this network is dedicated to. It includes nonprofit organizations, it includes think tanks, it includes various ministries.

Lindsay Beyerstein: Where did they get the idea that they should be ministering to the up-and-out? There doesn't seem to be a lot basis in Christianity for that view.

Jeff Sharlet: Two places. The founder of the Family, Abraham Vereide, would describe it as his "new revelation" that came to him in the middle of the night, very literally: in a vision from God in 1935 in response to the Great Depression and, more particularly, to a series of very successful labor strikes that he saw as challenging God's sovereignty. So, God comes and gives him this new revelation to say, "This is what I really meant …"


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Lindsay Beyerstein is a New York writer blogging at majikthise.typepad.com

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Christian fundamentalist who shun the poor are the greatest hypocrites.
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Jun 12, 2008 12:36 AM   
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A fundamentalist is supposed to be a literalist, which means a Christian fundamentalist should take a literal interpretation of the Bible. According to the New Testament, Jesus, the savior of Christians in their theology and one of the three persons of the omnipotent, infinite God said that "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Let's take the literal interpretation, and if a person believes in the Bible and in Biblical literalism, then the literal interpretation must be taken very seriously, since it is the word of the infinite God, compared to which all else is for all intents and purposes nothing. A camel cannot pass through the eye of a needle. It is impossible. Therefore a rich man cannot enter heaven. It is impossible.

This is the literal interpretation of what the Bible reports Jesus to have said. Therefore if a person is a Biblical literalist Christian, then this interpretation must be a holy truth; it must be absolute, perfect, the word and will of the divine.

Because, in mainline Christian theology, the only alternative to heaven in the afterlife is hell, where the flames burn you but do not consume you forever, the proper literal interpretation should be read to say that all rich men shall burn forever in hell when they die.

Any Christian who doesn't believe rich men are going to hell is not a literalist.

Personally, I'm an atheist with Catholic sympathies, having been raised Catholic, so I don't believe rich people are going to hell. I believe death is simply oblivion, like before we were born (or conceived - or before our embryonic brains developed to the point where we could be aware of anything).

I make the argument above because it should seem obvious to any Christian who prides himself or herself on holding a literal interpretation of the Bible, thereby enhancing that person's sense of purity, that wealth is a sure passport into hell, according to the sources of the person's spiritual views. To a Biblical literalist, like the evangelicals and fundamentalists, allying oneself with the wealthy, or admiring the wealthy, should seem like an abomination. Wealthy people should look like impure filth in the eyes of fundamentalists.

I write this as a reminder for the fundamentalist of what they are supposed to believe as regards wealth.

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» Exactly! Posted by: andabottleof_rum
» RE: xactly! Posted by: Cybershaman
» Camels and Ropes Posted by: Jbuuty
» gobbledegoop Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: gobbledegoop Posted by: Xynyx
» Hey I'm not bitter Posted by: pfeifer999
» Your theology is incorrect Posted by: Philip Newton
Holy cow...
Posted by: ankhet on Jun 12, 2008 1:39 AM   
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...trickle down Krystianity!

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The Granddaddy of the Four Horsemen
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 12, 2008 3:58 AM   
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As a Long time Recovered Catholic, I have been reading a great deal about that Religious Facades History. How Peter & Paul Highjacked the Religion and worked to Promote themselve by twisting the teaching of Jesus Christ. The process was a Template for the Other 3 Horseman of the Human Apocalypese ever since. First they manipulate the facts- deleting any that do not conform, then infiltrate and subvert other groups, change the focus and agenda and then persecute (literally and/or figuratively)any detractors.
Peter and Paul despised women and resented Mary Magdelene for her closer Proximity to Jesus- thus the made her a Whore, then went about destroying any and all who may have even thought to revere her.
By using their religious dogma they helped the Oppressive Roman empire, that was finally beginning to fail, to conquer others not Only through might- but not a 'Holy Ordained' Mandate.
Now overlay that technique with that of the Neo cons over the last 40 yrs.Hillary's Highjacking of the Women's movement is the most currrent seige and target of such ideology.By using the 'Sexism 'Card she effectively told the World - women are vindictive and feel they are 'Due' and that they Require all Bars be lowered to achieve any task set before them .Bills' 'The Boys are Not Playing Nice' comment was Proof, in their view Women must be handled with Kit gloves. She did not play a different game- but only wanted the Rules changed to accomadate Her.
they needed an infiltrator to begin to undermine the real efforts of Women. Make them look as though they are vindictive, demanding and indignant about being treated like a man.I have no doubt through this subversive process Hillary would have changed a Woman's Right to choose to the right to have our children,by turning the conversation to the idea we are Being forced to Work outside the Home.
Hillary is no doubt a 'Feminist' but she is No Libber.And Her intentions and Motivations have become very clear throughout her Senate and Campaign time.Her 'Obliterate Iran' with Nukes told me she was a Follower of the Hagee Armegeddon Theology.She made my skin crawl with gutteral Apprehension regarding her True Beliefs. And I voted for Bill 2x's and WAS an Avid Defender of Both. Once I was Blind But Now I See.

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It's Not Overt
Posted by: Urstrly on Jun 12, 2008 4:22 AM   
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Sharlet nails it when he says he knows more about the organization that its followers. I doubt that half the people at these prayer breakfasts have a clue. Most politicians want to be perceived as being "on God's side".

When I worked on Capitol Hill, I went to a Moral Rearmament concert. The singers were freshly scrubbed with beauty contest smiles, and they were integrated racially, which was pretty unusual in conservative circles in those days. I was approached by a woman from my Baptist church about joining up. She stressed that they were looking for attractive young people, but something about it gave me the creeps, and I asked her not to contact me again.

Not until I read this on Alternet the first time it ran did I fully understand that the prayer breakfasts had any connection to Moral Rearmament; I suspect most Washingtonians don't.I left the Baptist church and conservative politics behind as I matured, so I have hope that articles like this will wake up young people.

I disagree with Shartlet on one point: how can we say these people don't glorify violence as cleansing? How do you think we got into this war in Iraq, and what about those "Christians" who can't wait for Armageddon?

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» exactly right Posted by: citizenjoe
» RE: It's Not Overt Posted by: buberfan
What disturbs me most
Posted by: Last Chance on Jun 12, 2008 4:43 AM   
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is the innate lawlessness of such pseudo-Christians who, like their medieval European ancestors, long to burn books and heretics! it could happen here in this time of the Information Age versus dumbed-down, Bible-pounding, hypocrite fanaticism.

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» yellow Posted by: pfeifer999
» please be more thorough Posted by: pfeifer999
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» Beck Posted by: pfeifer999
What a nut case
Posted by: solrev on Jun 12, 2008 4:48 AM   
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I guess if you throw the words Christians and fascists together you can appeal to a few closed minded progressives, but when you badmouth the Blob you have gone too far. The Blob was a good movie classic about extraterrestrial existence. There has to be better conspiracy tales out there than this one.

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» Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............ Posted by: pfeifer999
» sure, sure there is Posted by: pfeifer999
» Beck Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............ Posted by: JeffSharlet
» JeffSharlet Posted by: pfeifer999
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» Fascism IS a doctrine of empire. Posted by: citizenjoe
Not fascism?
Posted by: citizenjoe on Jun 12, 2008 4:57 AM   
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You say:

"And that's an important distinction to make. I think many progressives want to reduce everything bad to fascism. There's more than one kind of bad under the sun. One of the arguments in this book is that these guys aren't fascists; they're ultimately something worse. They're not fascists because they don't explicitly revere violence. Lots of violence occurs through various dimensions, but in fascism, violence is thought to have redemptive."

Of course, you allow that they are authoritarians, hate democracy, want a new world order based on military and corporate power. And of course, all of this requires world conquest such as we see happening in Iraq. This is violence piled on top of violence-- and it is the soul of the fascist program.New fascism pursues these goal under many different ideological guises, even claiming themselves as a sort of new democracy. Mussolini said this himself. I am afraid that Jeff Sharlet does not have the slightest idea of what he is talking about when it comes to fascism. He doesn't get Robert Paxton at all. Here is Paxton: "Hitler and Mussolini , after all, had not tried to be exotic to their fellow citizens. No swastikas in American fascism, but Stars and Stripes and Christian crosses. No fascist salute, but mass recitations of the pledge of allegiance. These symbols contain no whiff of fascism themselves,of course, but an American fascism would transform them into obligatory litmus tests for detecting the internal enemy." And so on. P. 202.

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» No, it isn't. Posted by: brunowe
» Why do I try to help you? Posted by: citizenjoe
» You're not... Posted by: brunowe
» Try to pay attention Posted by: citizenjoe
» We should have a real debate Posted by: citizenjoe
» now we get to the heart of it Posted by: citizenjoe
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Never heard of them
Posted by: Romans1 on Jun 12, 2008 5:37 AM   
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n/s

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» RE: Never heard of them Posted by: nochicagoboys
False prophets raking in some coin
Posted by: scheherezade on Jun 12, 2008 5:46 AM   
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They evidently haven't read their own Bible. The following popped up on the first Google pass:

Matthew 7:15 -- "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.

Ezekiel 22:27 "Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain.

Matthew 24:11 "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.

Matthew 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

Mark 13:22 for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect.

Luke 6:26 "Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for their fathers used to treat the false prophets in the same way.

John 10:12 "He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.

Acts 20:29 "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs;

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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» Good luck with your war of words Posted by: nochicagoboys
» Postscript Posted by: nochicagoboys
» you're exactly right Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: you're exactly right Posted by: Joni50
» No on both counts Posted by: pfeifer999
It's time to end tax exemption for religious groups
Posted by: Moonray on Jun 12, 2008 5:50 AM   
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Adding insult to injury, these wacko groups enjoy generous tax exemptions: We actually pay their way with our tax dollars!
When Obama goes to work on the Tax Code, as he as promised, he should make Job 1 ending the tax break for all religious entities. Enough is enough. Email your congressperson. Better still, show up at his or her door with a picket sign.

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» Obama Posted by: Dboy
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Prescott Bush?
Posted by: magistre on Jun 12, 2008 5:54 AM   
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Just a reminder that Prescott Bush (G.H.W. Bush' father,G.W. bush' grandfather) was the head banker until 1943 for Hitler in the U.S. and went on to become a senator. it is also speculated that Hitler recieved his orders through Prescott Bush.

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» Uh, what about it? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: Uh, what about it? Posted by: pfeifer999
» What exactly is a 'Fascist'?? Posted by: gellero1
The Blob
Posted by: blather on Jun 12, 2008 5:54 AM   
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didn't steve mcqueen freeze the blob and then the military dumped the frozen monster in the arctic where it presumedly remains to this day?

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Jesus Was A Social Anarchist
Posted by: desidid on Jun 12, 2008 6:00 AM   
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In 1935, Vereide said, God appeared to him in a vision and revealed where Christianity had gone wrong: preoccupation with the poor, the weak and the suffering.

As a Christian I think Jesus had a better understanding of God's Will. And it is there for all to see in the Bible. The acronym that many of us understand to mean don't take the Bible literally, but understand what lies in the heart of it is Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth. Everything that Jesus preached was about our responsibility, nay our duty, to help and love others. I'm not the best Christian, but I know that much.

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A warning
Posted by: Last Chance on Jun 12, 2008 6:39 AM   
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I think it was the famous French writer Voltaire who said: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

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» RE: A warning Posted by: pfeifer999
By any other name it's still morally wrong
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 12, 2008 6:39 AM   
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This article should be a wake-up call for all of those "religious righters" that believe in the lies of the Republican party. If they truly believe in God why do they keep putting people in power in positions that are not benefiting the country as a whole - don't they see the larger picture, or are they busy trying to get the apocalypse started that they can't see anything else. Thirty years of trickle down policies, jobs going overseas to the cheapest bidders, propping up of dictatorships, etc. And yet they can only focus on the doctors office and the bedrooms (abortion & gay lifestyles). These people should stop looking giving their allegiances to the pimps in the pulpit and give it to where it belongs (God) and use the common sense that the Divinity gave them to wise up and pay attention to what is really going on.

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Hitler??
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jun 12, 2008 7:12 AM   
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Personally, I don't see much difference between Hitler and Dictator Bush. I only hope that Bushes Impeachment hearing keeps making progress. Sooner this war monger is out of office the better off we will all be!

JT
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» RE: Hitler?? Posted by: hms2004
conspiracy theory
Posted by: vegan27 on Jun 12, 2008 7:28 AM   
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This smells too much like just another conspiracy theory. A worldwide network of powerful members who are "sworn to secrecy"? Please. Did they fake the moon landing and plan 9/11 too?

Some of the facts do not check out. "The Blob" was not a metaphor for communism. The New York Times quoted Jack Harris, the producer of "The Blob", as saying that the idea of the film being a metaphor for the spread of communism was "hogwash." Slate.com quotes the writer of "The Blob", Kate Phillips, saying in 2007: "I wasn't thinking about communism when I wrote it. I was thinking about good and evil."

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This Christian is against Christian Fascism because those fundies are totally unChristian.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 12, 2008 7:41 AM   
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It has happened in America and is going on around the world. All this rampant compulsive consumerism that has been going on in America for the past few decades is being further pushed by the Christo-Fascist Taliban in Asia and Africa. Along with it, they have been cooperating with the Muslim Fundamentalists in destroying moderate and peaceful Jews, Christian, and Muslims and along side waging wars against other faiths. It is time that we the sheeple here in America and on the rest of this planet went on the offensive and learned to reframe and be bold in our good natured beliefs.

Here's a Christian who turned to other religions and can help you overcome the Christo-Fascists without falling for the war traps:

http://www.stephen-knapp.com

And if you are interested in reframing and going on the offensive, you can still have a look at George Lakoff's site:

http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org

Sure, they may be filled with archive articles only but those articles are still 100% relevant and crucial to progressive success.

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» RE: same ol' Posted by: Dboy
Two things REALLY GOT me
Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 12, 2008 8:05 AM   
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The two things that really GOT Me were the quote about having no problem letting in a few wolves with the SHEEP . You have to wonder how the SHEEP feel about THAT . My guess is NOT SO GOOD . The other one was the idea that if the one brother raped three young girls his brother RATHER than being outraged by it would consider him CHOSEN like King David (who I might add not only commited Adultery but also MURDER ) . This does certainly EXPLAIN the sense of Entitlemnt by the Rich and Powerful because afterall THEY were CHOSEN . It certainly is evident in Dubya's opinion of himself .
Of course using their logic we as a Nation are to be CONDEMMED for overthrowing the English CROWN . Wait THAT may explain EVERYTHING (sarcasim)

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God of HATE???
Posted by: mamaferryman on Jun 12, 2008 8:26 AM   
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What I read of the article focused on hate and The God that I grew up with in the New Testament didn't hate different groups.

And to revier a man who committed so many atrocities is not Christian pity him, teach him, pray for him, but do not revier him.

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» RE: God of HATE??? Posted by: Dboy
pop
Posted by: Pop on Jun 12, 2008 8:31 AM   
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Silly people! I AM your One and only true God. Trust me, and give to me all of your meager earthly gain and more. I will lead you to the eternal peace and the forever fearless Kingdom in oblivion.

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