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U.S. Politicians and Scholars Are Helping Turkey Cover up WWI Armenian Genocide

By David Holthouse, Southern Poverty Law Center. Posted June 5, 2008.


Denying the Armenian holocaust is illegal in France and Switzerland, but thanks to millions spent by Turkey it's still covered up in the US.
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Early this year, the Toronto District School Board voted to require all public high school students in Canada's largest city to complete a new course titled "Genocide: Historical and Contemporary Implications." It includes a unit on the Armenian genocide, in which more than a million Armenians perished in a methodical and premeditated scheme of annihilation orchestrated by the rulers of Turkey during and just after World War I.

The school board members each soon received a letter from Guenter Lewy, a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts, rebuking them for classifying the Armenian genocide in the same category as the Holocaust. "The tragic fate of the Armenian community during World War I," Lewy wrote, is best understood as "a badly mismanaged war-time security measure," rather than a carefully plotted genocide.

Lewy is one of the most active members of a network of American scholars, influence peddlers and website operators, financed by hundreds of thousands of dollars each year from the government of Turkey, who promote the denial of the Armenian genocide -- a network so influential that it was able last fall to defy both historical truth and enormous political pressure to convince America's lawmakers and even its president to reverse long-held policy positions.

Lewy makes similar revisionist claims in his 2005 book The Armenian Massacres in Ottoman Turkey: A Disputed Genocide and in frequent lectures at university campuses across the country. Speaking at Harvard University in March 2007, he chalked up the ghastly Armenian death toll to "bungling misrule," and stressed that "it is important to bear in mind the enormous difference between ineptness, even ineptness that had tragic consequences" and deliberate mass murder.

"Armenians call the calamitous events of 1915-1916 in the Ottoman Empire the first genocide of the twentieth century," he said. "Most Turks refer to this episode as war time relocation made necessary by the treasonous conduct of the Armenian minority. The debate on what actually happened has been going on for almost 100 years and shows no signs of resolution."

But it's not only Armenians calling the slaughter a genocide, and there is no real debate about its essential details, according to the vast majority of credible historians. Although Lewy's brand of genocide denial is subtler than that of Holocaust deniers who declare there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, it's no less an attempt to rewrite history.

"The overwhelming opinion of scholars who study genocide -- hundreds of independent scholars, who have no affiliations with governments, and whose work spans many countries and nationalities and the course of decades -- is consistent," the International Association of Genocide Scholars stated in a 2005 letter to the Turkish government.

"The scholarly evidence reveals the following: On April 24, 1915, under cover of World War I, the Young Turk government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens -- an unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches. The rest of the Armenian population fled into permanent exile. Thus an ancient civilization was expunged from its homeland of 2,500 years." Double Killing

Despite this clear consensus of experts, Turkey exerts political leverage and spends millions of dollars in the United States to obfuscate the Armenian genocide, with alarming success even at the highest levels of government. Lobbyists on the Turkish payroll stymied a Congressional resolution commemorating the genocide last fall by convincing lawmakers to reverse their stated positions. Even President Bush flip-flopped.

Revisionist historians who conjure doubt about the Armenian genocide and are paid by the Turkish government provided the politicians with the intellectual cover they needed to claim they were refusing to dictate history rather than caving in to a foreign government's present-day interests.

"This all happened a long time ago, and I don't know if we can know whether it was a massacre or a genocide or what," said U.S. Rep. John Murtha (D-Penn.) after changing his vote.

"The last thing Congress should be doing is deciding the history of an empire [the Ottoman empire] that doesn't even exist any more," said President Bush.

But experts in genocide saw things quite differently.

"Denial is the final stage of genocide," says Gregory Stanton, president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars. "It is a continuing attempt to destroy the victim group psychologically and culturally, to deny its members even the memory of the murders of their relatives. That is what the Turkish government today is doing to Armenians around the world."

Last year, the Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity issued a letter condemning Armenian genocide denial that was signed by 53 Nobel laureates including Wiesel, the famous Holocaust survivor and political activist. Wiesel has repeatedly called Turkey's 90-year-old campaign to cover up the Armenian genocide a double killing, since it strives to kill the memory of the original atrocities.

He was hardly the first. As long ago as 1943, law professor Raphael Lemkin, who would later serve as an advisor to Nuremburg chief counsel Robert Jackson, coined the term "genocide" with the Armenians in mind.

Stanton, a former U.S. State Department official who drafted the United Nations Security Council resolutions that created the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, spoke this April at a United States Capitol ceremony honoring victims of the Armenian genocide -- a ceremony held four months after the bill to commemorate the slaughter was shot down.


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HUMAN TRAGEDY FOR ALL, NOT ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
Posted by: Fairisfair on Jun 6, 2008 10:54 AM   
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The essay by David Holthouse, Southern Poverty Law Center “U.S. Politicians and Scholars Are Helping Turkey Cover up WWI Armenian Genocide” is a calculated misrepresentation of a complex human tragedy where suffering of one side is embellished and exaggerated while the other side is part belittled, part ignored, and part dismissed. Such unfair, lopsided, and ethocidal [1] treatment of any controversy, historic or not, ought to be a cause for concern for disinterested third parties and truth-seekers. I will try to organize my thoughts under following headings:
1) A POLITICAL MOVE BY ARMENIANS BASED ON BAD HISTORY
Holthouse will tell you that the Toronto District School Board voted to require all public high school students in Canada's largest city to complete a new course titled "Genocide: Historical and Contemporary Implications", but he will not say this move was largely planned, implemented, financed, supported, and “rammed through” the political system by the Armenian lobby, including the Armenian political machine, clergy, academia, and others as well as Armenian sympathizers. Such political moves are typical in areas around the globe (Glendale, Fresno, Dearborn, Beirut, Marseille, among others) where Armenian colonies seem to be locked on their sole-purpose in life, cultivating hate for all thing Turkish, with all other purposes and issues stemming from it as an afterthought, hence secondary. This might explain why such political moves happen in Toronto, but not in Vancouver or Edmonton, or in Glendale but not in Santa Ana or Irvine. It is important to see the political muscle of a single-issue-community and their ethocidal [1] sympathizers behind this partisan history legislated into education.

2) HISTORICAL EVIDENCE BELIES THE ARMENIAN CHARACTERIZATION OF WWI:
The politically motivated genocide course includes a unit on the “alleged” Armenian genocide which mentions “more than a million Armenians” as having perished in a “methodical and premeditated scheme of annihilation orchestrated by the rulers of Turkey during and just after World War I.” Paris Peace Conference of 1919 put this figure at 200,000 in its March 29 report (please see “ NUMBERS DON’T LIE; LIARS DO! by clicking http://turkla.com/yazar.php?mid=1217&yid=4 ) What this course fails to expose is the extent of suffering of the Ottoman-Muslims, mostly Turks: more than three million! Tragic demise of 524,000 of those can be directly attributed to the unspeakable acts of Armenian revolutionaries. This genocide course, therefore, tries to whitewash war crimes and responsibilities by Armenian nationalists, supported by the powers at the time, i.e. Britain, France, Russia, and the U.S.
3) "A BADLY MISMANAGED WAR-TIME SECURITY MEASURE" IS HARDLY A GENOCIDE

Guenter Lewy, world renown professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts, rebuked the Armenian claims of genocide using historical evidence and arguments. Lewy, and many others like Lewis, Shaw, McCarthy, Stone, Mango, Gurun, Sonyel, Cicek, strenuously reject the efforts to classify the Armenian genocide in the same category as the Holocaust.
(First of five installments; to be continued in the next installment)
ERGUN KIRLIKOVALI
Son of Turkish Survivors from Both Maternal & Paternal Side
[1] Ethocide: a term coined by Ergun Kirlikovali in 2003 to describe bogus genocide claims; a brief definition of which is: “ Systematic extermination of ethics via malicious mass deception and propaganda for political and other benefits. “

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HOLOCAUST IS PROVEN BY NUREMBERG; WHERE IS THE COMPETENT TRIBUNAL “PROVING” ARMENIAN GENOCIDE?
Posted by: Fairisfair on Jun 6, 2008 10:56 AM   
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4) HOLOCAUST IS PROVEN BY NUREMBERG; WHERE IS THE COMPETENT TRIBUNAL “PROVING” ARMENIAN GENOCIDE?
After all, did Jews resort to armed revolts, terrorism, and treason, in order to establish a Jewish state on German soil? Did Jews establish Jewish armies armed with British, French, and Russian weapons to kill half a million German citizens? Did Jews receive for nearly a century money, education, healthcare, divisive and polarizing teachings, money and more from missionaries from Europe America, all hell bent on dividing and eliminating Germany? Did Jews join the invading enemies of Germany and slaughter their German neighbors while Jews were wearing invaders’ uniforms? Of course, not. But Armenian committed all that and more heinous crimes in the Ottoman Empire. Armenian used propaganda, agitation, terror, revolts, and treason, in that order, from 1890 to 1920. How can Armenian Tereset (temporary resettlement) caused by Armenian war crimes and provocations be held in the same esteem as with the undisputed, court-proven, unique Jewish Holocaust? Isn’t that an insult to the silent memory of six million Jews who were exterminated just for being Jews? What Armenians and their ethocidal [1] sympathizers are trying to attempt here is “credibility by association.” They think if they can manage to have the “proven Holocaust” uttered in the same breath with the “bogus Genocide”, then the obvious inference shall be that genocide must be true because we know Holocaust is. But Armenians are wrong in this respect as the fair-minded, honest truth-seekers are on to the Armenians tricks.

5) IF PROF. LEWY FINANCED BY TURKS, IS HOLTHOUSE THEN FINANCED BY ARMENIANS?
Holthouse labels Lewy “… one of the most active members of a network of American scholars, influence peddlers and website operators, financed by hundreds of thousands of dollars each year from the government of Turkey, who promote the denial of the Armenian genocide…” It seems fair, therefore, to ask Holthouse these questions: Has Holthouse ever received money, directly or indirectly, from sources that can be considered Armenian or Armenian-related? Did Holthouse receive from the Armenians, directly or indirectly, any monies in the form of expenses, honoraries, fees, campaign funds, gifts, awards, book advances, book sales, jobs, projects, service or product contracts, funding for a documentary, full- feature, or other films, income from testimonies, promotions, or other benefits that can have monetary and/or goodwill value? Another scholar defending the deceptive and exaggerated Armenian claims of genocide, just like Holthouse, was later exposed to be a paid Armenian agent (please see “ It is Official: Taner Akcam Is Paid By Armenians” by clicking on http://turkla.com/yazar.php?mid=1284&yid=4 .) I wrote to the University of Minnesota, Akcam’s employer, and heard from UM’s legal counsel that Akcam was indeed paid by Zoryan Institute (a notoriously anti-Turkish propaganda house) and Cafesjian Foundation.
(Second of five installments; to be continued in the next installment)
ERGUN KIRLIKOVALI
Son of Turkish Survivors from Both Maternal & Paternal Side
[1] Ethocide: a term coined by Ergun Kirlikovali in 2003 to describe bogus genocide claims; a brief definition of which is: “ Systematic extermination of ethics via malicious mass deception and propaganda for political and other benefits. “

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HR 106 HAD ENORMOUS FLAWS AND MAJOR ERRORS IN IT
Posted by: Fairisfair on Jun 6, 2008 11:18 AM   
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6) HR 106 HAD ENORMOUS FLAWS AND MAJOR ERRORS IN IT

Holthouse complains about what he calls “network… financed by… Government of Turkey.” What he neglects to mention is that same HR 106, pushed by a “network of different kind”, the Armenian lobby, and contained inaccuracies in total defiance of truth, and history (Please see: Inaccuracies Contained In The House Resolution 106 http://turkla.com/yazar.php?mid=1048&yid=4 .)

HR 106 ignored the massive Turkish suffering and gigantic death toll, a major portion of which caused by the Armenian revolutionaries; dismissed Armenian revolts, terrorism, and treason; and tried to pass Armenian-provoked Tereset (temporary resettlement) as Turkish-planned genocide.

What’s more, it ignored the current Armenian aggression in Karabagh and military occupation in Azerbaijan where more than a million Azeris were expelled from their homes at gunpoint after Armenians committed a genocide-like massacre in Khodhaly: “…on the night of February 25-26, 1992. The gruesome statistics indicates that 613 people had been killed (by Armenians), of which 106 were women and 83 were children; 1275 taken hostage, 150 went missing; 487 people became disabled and invalid, 76 of whom are teenage boys and girls… ( www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5078/main )

One would think that those who seem so concerned about a human tragedy of 100 years ago would certainly be concerned about one that is still unfolding as you read these lines… But since the perpetrators are Armenians, those same “genocide scholars” look the other way. So much for honesty, integrity, truth, balance, fairness, objectivity, scholarship, and more… In the face of such blaring double standards, pushed forward by such “partisan scholars and intellectuals”, so aggressively and arrogantly, I remain humbled and speechless…

7) APRIL 24, 1915 IS TURKISH GUANTANAMO, NOT ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

What is the purpose of Guantanamo? Bringing together all suspects of 9/11 and other acts of terrorism, real or imagined, involved directly or indirectly, with or without justification and/or evidence, into one secure location, to sort out the truth, right? Well, Turks did the same back in 1915.

Turks gathered the obvious leaders of on-again, off-again Armenian revolts, terrorism, and treason, at a wartime no less, and sent them to secure locations in the heart of Anatolia, awaiting trials and/or removal of the threat of war. What has this got to do with genocide? Some may have been man-handled or abused, but these thinly veiled Armenian revolutionaries were not exactly 5-star hotel guests and they did not exactly cooperate with Ottoman authorities.

Consider this: the largest armada of allied ships with half a million men are pounding the Dardanelle shores with an eye on delivering a quick knockout punch to the Ottoman Empire by capturing Istanbul, the capital of the Ottoman Empire. Consider further that the colossal Tsarist Russian armies, using Ottoman-Armenian divisions and scouts in its makeup, are brutally invading the Northeastern territories of the Ottoman Empire. Most Armenians (not all) are colluding with the enemies of their government from both the West and the East. What would you do with this lot? If it was not for the centuries long Turkish tradition of tolerance for other religions and ethnicities, these Armenians would be killed. Instead, they were removed to Anatolian hinterland. [2] That’s genocide?

(Third of five installments)

ERGUN KIRLIKOVALI
Son of Turkish Survivors from Both Maternal & Paternal Side

[2] Turkish-Jewish Friendship Over 500 Years: www.science.co.il/hi/Turkish

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“UNARMED ARMENIAN” IS AN OXYMORON
Posted by: Fairisfair on Jun 6, 2008 11:22 AM   
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8) “UNARMED ARMENIAN” IS AN OXYMORON

Please see the photos of armed Armenian bands which later coalesced into a 150,000 men Armenian army: http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/album/index.html

9) ARMENIAN LOSSES INFLATED ; TURKISH LOSSES IGNORED

“…More than a million Armenians were exterminated…” asserts the writer. In actual fact, none were “exterminated”, lots of people, both Muslim and Armenian, however, did perish. Some died of war, regular and irregular, but more died of starvation and epidemics. Ottoman war effort reduced the harvest and British naval blockade during war prevented the emergency food supplies, sent by overseas Ottoman provinces and fellow Muslim communities, from reaching the mainland. More Muslims than Armenians died. But because of religious bias, Muslim (mostly Turkish) victims of starvation, epidemics, and war are cruelly dismissed.

10) WHY THE ARMENIANS REALLY LEFT AFTER COMING BACK TO TURKEY

“… The rest of the Armenian population fled into permanent exile…” Azerbaijanis from 192 to present are the one who fled into exile under Armenian guns of today. Honest researcher will note that most Armenians survived the Tereset (temporary resettlement.) Some of those Armenian did come back to their homes but left in panic—after France ended its occupation of Southeastern Anatolia and Bolshevik Russia vacated the Northeast Anatolia—because Armenians had treated the Muslim population so evilly that they were fearful of Muslim retaliation once the French and Russians were gone. That is from where today’s Armenian communities of the U.S., Canada, France, Lebanon, and other places originated.

11) GENOCIDE ALLEGATIONS IGNORE “THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN CONFLICT”:

While some amongst us may be forgiven for taking the blatant and ceaseless Armenian propaganda at face value and believing Armenian falsifications merely because they are repeated so often, it is difficult and painful for someone like me, the son of Turkish survivors on both maternal and paternal sides, of yet untold, unfairly dismissed, or prejudicially ignored massacres of Turks during the Balkan Wars of 1912-13 (which preceded the World War I of 1914-18 and the Turkish Independence War of 1919-1922.) These seemingly endless “War years” of 1912-1922 brought wide-spread death and destruction to Ottoman Muslims as well as others. Those nameless, faceless victims are killed for a second time today with politically motivated and baseless charges of Armenian genocide.

Allegations of Armenian genocide are racist and dishonest history. They are racist because they ignore the Turkish dead: about 3 million during WWI; around half a million of them at the hands of Armenian nationalists. By ignoring the suffering of one side completely, any war, including the American civil war, may be made to look like a genocide.

And the allegations of Armenian genocide are dishonest because they simply dismiss “The Six T’s of the Turkish-Armenian conflict”:

(Fourth of five installments; to be continued in the next installment)

ERGUN KIRLIKOVALI
Son of Turkish Survivors from Both Maternal & Paternal Side

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“THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN CONFLICT”
Posted by: Fairisfair on Jun 6, 2008 11:27 AM   
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12) “THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN CONFLICT”

1) TUMULT (as in Armenian armed uprisings from 1890 to 1920)

2) TERRORISM (by Armenian nationalists and militias from 1887-1920 and then again 1973 to present))

3) TREASON (Armenians joining the invading enemy armies and killing their Muslim neighbors)

4) TERRITORIAL DEMANDS (where Armenians were a minority, not a majority; if succeeded, the Armenian revolts would establish the “first apartheid” of the 20th Centory.)

5) TURKISH SUFFERING AND LOSSES (i.e. those caused by the Armenian nationalists, more than half a million.)

6) TERESET (temporary resettlement) triggered by the first five T’s above and amply documented as such; not to be equated to the Armenian misrepresentations as genocide.)

Armenians, thus, effectively put an end to their millennium of relatively peaceful and harmonious co-habitation in Anatolia with Muslims by killing their Muslim/Turkish neighbors and openly joining the invading enemy. Turks were only defending their home like any citizen anywhere would do.
Isn’t it time to stop fighting the First World War and give peace a chance?
Peace,

ERGUN KIRLIKOVALI
Son of Turkish Survivors from Both Maternal & Paternal Side

(Fifth of five installments. The end.)

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Have you ever seen a victim who hides his evidences?
Posted by: akasya on Jun 8, 2008 6:23 AM   
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The Armenians are sure that Armenian genocide really occured and claim that Turkey does not want to face with her history and so she does not scrap article 301 which restricts freedom of speech. However, Turkish articles obviously do not have any power of sanction on Armenians. So, what is the reason of Armenians’ insistent refusal of Turkey’s suggestions to discuss these events together with historians from both sides? For example:

*In 2004, the Viennese Armenian-Turkish Platform (VAT) was founded to exchange documents about the 1915 events by Austrian, Turkish and Armenian historians. AFTER RECEIVING 100 TURKISH DOCUMENTS, the Armenians refused to send their documents which they promised, to the Turkish historians and afterwards the Armenian foreign minister announced that they did not want to discuss the 1915 events with historians.

*Armenia refused the Turkish prime minister's and the Turkish Assembly's invitation announced on 13th April 2005 which suggested to establish a Joint Commission composed of historians from both sides and discuss the events which took place during the 1st World War.

*Turkey sent full page ads to five popular newspapers of the United States (US) calling on Armenia to ‘bring light the events of 1915 together with Turkey and to establish a joint commission composed of historians from both sides in addition to historians from other nations’, in April 2007.

*And the Turkish prime minister repeated the same invitation on February 2008 , in Munich at the 44th Security Conference where the Armenian Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr. Oskanian also attended?

In neither of these invitations was there any precondition, unlike it is claimed by the Armenians.

*Why did the Armenian historian Sarafyan, who accepted the recent invitation of the chief of Turkish History Foundation, Halaçoğlu, for cooperation to investigate Harput events, abandon the project, after talking the Armenian diaspora?

*Why are the Armenian archives still closed? The archives of Taşnak (Dashnak) Party is present in Zoryan Armenian Institute in Boston. Both Turkish government and Turkish History Foundation offered the Armenians to open these archives; but the directors of the Zoryan Institute replied that they did not have enough money to open the archives. Turkish government and Turkish History Foundation promised financial support.Why did the Armenians refuse this suggestion too? (Nüzhet Kandemir, http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/418517.asp). Note that Zoryan Institute has quite enough money to provide financial support for Taner Akçam who has advocated the Armenian claims, during his stay in Minnesota University.

If a genocide had really occured, why did Brian Ardouny of the Armenian Assembly of America announce ‘We don’t need to prove the genocide historically, because it has already been accepted politically’? Why did the chief of the Armenian Archives in Armenia tell that they were not interested in the achives, but all they are interested is the world’s public opinion.

In your life, have you ever seen a criminal who persistently calls the victim to bring his evidences? And, have you ever seen a victim who passionately accuses somebody of committing crime and giving him great harm but strictly avoids of bringing his proofs before the referees or going to court, and tells that he need not prove that person’s guilt, because the community has already accepted him as guilty?

In this situation would you not ask the question of in which you are living. 5000 BC or 7000 BC?

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THE REPLY OF TURKISH SCHOLARS TO THE CALL OF NOBEL LAUREATES
Posted by: akasya on Jun 8, 2008 6:43 AM   
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I want to present the reply given by Turkish scholars to the call of Nobel Laureates last year. This reply unfortunately was not touched in this article:


REPLY OF TURKISH SCHOLARS AND WRITERS TO “THE CALL FOR TOLERANCE, CONTACT AND COOPERATION BETWEEN TURKS AND ARMENIANS” ISSUED BY THE ELIE WIESEL FOUNDATION FOR HUMANITY

We, the undersigned Turkish scholars and writers, welcome the call of ‘The Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity’ issued on April 9, 2007. We view this call as a doorway to opening a process of dialogue between Turks and Armenians and as a stepping stone which will work to keep that door open facilitating the culture of peace to bear fruit. We would like to state that we are willing to do our part to make positive contributions to this end.

It can not be refuted that Turks and Armenians have been living closely together under the Turkish Republic, as was the case during the time of the Ottoman Empire, as a result of which they have developed common cultural values. We believe these values may form the basis for the development of future relations.

We are cognizant of the great suffering endured by the Armenians, Turks and other peoples residing within the Ottoman Empire as a result of the tragic events of the First World War, and believe that all responsible individuals alike must actively engage themselves to preclude such suffering from being inflicted upon mankind once again. We are prepared to work constructively to this end. In this regard it should be noted that while acknowledging the loss incurred by a certain population it would be unfair to selectively neglect the irrefutably documented loss of another population residing within the same geography. We maintain that such dogmatic approaches and disregard for differing views lay at the root of the ongoing conflict of our day.

We evaluated the proposals expressed in the call issued by The Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity. We are of the opinion that increasing mutual confidence by fostering relations between civil society organizations shall constitute the most constructive way forward. We believe that the restoration of the Akhdamar Church and the participation of Turkish alongside Armenian officials to its opening was rewarding and hope that such contacts shall increase.

Air travel between Turkey and Armenia is open. The many citizens of the Republic of Armenia residing in Turkey as guest workers carries with it the potential of cultivating close friendship and ties between the citizens of both Republics. The border gate between both countries will surely be opened once those factors which led to it being closed are removed. No doubt, the clear and official affirmation on the part of Armenia to the effect that it recognizes the border between the two countries and does not demand that it be changed shall contribute to the establishment of official diplomatic relations. That part of Turkey’s territories is defined as Western Armenia in the Armenian Declaration of Independence raises concerns regarding Armenia’s possible future irredentist policies.
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Posted by: akasya on Jun 8, 2008 6:47 AM   
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......Turkey does not evaluate the tragic events of 1915 which befell the Ottoman Armenians as genocide as defined in the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide. For an event to legally constitute genocide, a competent court must establish the intent to kill in whole or in part a national, ethnic, racial or religious group solely because they were part of that group (dolus specialis). After evaluating various documents several academics, both Turkish and foreign, have arrived at the conclusion that the requisite genocidal intent was not present with respect to the Ottoman Armenians. We view that differing accounts expressed by a given committee or other groups on this matter should not be seen as anything other than the practice of the freedom of expression. We would like to declare that we are prepared to discuss this issue within the frame of joint committees together with Armenian historians and all those interested; we believe that engaging in dialogue is the only way forward to solve our outstanding problems. On this point one should not overlook how Turkey officially proposed to Armenia in April 2005, to establish a Joint History Commission comprising Turkish, Armenian and third party specialists for the purpose of conducting historical research on the events prior to and following 1915. To facilitate this proposal Turkey has made it known that all its archives have been opened. We have faith that organizations such as The Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity shall help to establish forums where views can be mutually exchanged and welcomed whereby the level of tolerance and cooperation called for can be attained.

TURKISH SCHOLARS AND WRITERS WHO SIGNED THE REPLY

1. Prof. Dr. Tahsin AKALP
2. Prof. Dr. Seçil KARAL AKGÜN
3. Prof. Dr. Şahin AKKAYA
4. Rtd. Ambassador Gündüz AKTAN
5. Prof. Dr. Ali AKYILDIZ
6. Assoc. Prof. Dr. Gülşen Seyhan ALIŞIK
7. Prof. Dr. Deniz Ülke ARIBOĞAN
8. Assoc. Prof. Dr.Yavuz ASLAN
9. Assoc. Prof. Dr. İbrahim Ethem ATNUR
10. Prof. Dr. Yusuf AVCI
11. Prof. Dr. Süheyl BATUM
12. Prof. Dr. Taner BERKSOY
13. Prof. Dr. Süleyman BEYOĞLU
14. Prof. Dr. Gülay Öğün BEZER
15. Prof. Dr. Ali ATIF BİR
16. Prof. Dr. Naz ÇAVUŞOĞLU
17. Assoc. Prof. Dr. Sadi ÇAYCI
18. Prof. Dr. Mehmet ÇELİK
19. Prof. Dr. Kemal ÇİÇEK
20. Ercan ÇİTLİOĞLU
21. Prof. Dr. Sebahat DENİZ
22. Rtd. Ambassador Filiz DİNÇMEN
23. Prof. Dr. Uluğ ELDEGEZ
24. Prof. Dr. Vahdettin ENGİN
25. Prof. Dr. İsmail ERÜNSAL
26. Prof. Dr. Yavuz ERCAN
27. Prof. Dr. Ahmet ETÜCE
28. Prof. Dr. Suat GEZGİN
29. Prof. Dr. Müfit GİRESUNLU
30. Prof. Dr. Ufuk GÜLSOY
31. Prof. Dr. Nurbay GÜLTEKİN
32. Prof. Dr. S. Selçuk GÜNAY
33. Prof. Haluk GÜRGEN
34. Prof. Dr. Erhan GÜZEL
35. Prof. Dr. Yusuf HALLAÇOĞLU
36. Assoc. Prof. Dr.Oğuz İÇİMSOY
37. Prof. Dr. Mücteba İLGÜREL
38. Dr. Erdal İLTER
39. Assoc. Prof. Dr. Mehmet İNBAŞI
40. Assoc. Prof. Dr.Kamer KASIM
41. Prof. Dr. Fahri KAYADİBİ
42. Prof. Dr. Mustafa KEÇER
43. Prof. Dr. Selami KILIÇ
44. Assoc. Prof. Dr. Murat KOÇ
45. Prof. Dr. Enver KONUKÇU
46. Prof. Dr. Kemalettin KÖROĞLU
47. Prof. Dr. Nuri KÖSTÜKLÜ
48. Prof. Zekeriya KURŞUN
49. Assoc. Prof. Dr.Sedat LAÇİNER
50. Rtd. Ambassador Faruk LOĞOĞLU
51. Rtd. Ambassador Ömer Engin LÜTEM
52. Prof. Dr. Nurşen MAZICI
53. Prof. Dr. Hasan MERİÇ
54. Prof. Dr. Özcan MERT
55. Rtd. Ambassador Tansu OKANDAN
56. Prof. Dr. Besim ÖZCAN
57. Prof. Dr. Hikmet ÖZDEMİR
.............
will be continued

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continued
Posted by: akasya on Jun 8, 2008 6:49 AM   
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...56. Prof. Dr. Besim ÖZCAN
57. Prof. Dr. Hikmet ÖZDEMİR
58. Prof. Dr. Necdet ÖZTÜRK
59. Prof. Dr. Nihat ÖZTOPRAK
60. Prof. Dr. Bayram ÖZTÜRK
61. Assoc. Prof. Dr. Bilgehan PAMUK
62. Prof. Dr. Mesut PARLAK
63. Assoc. Prof. Dr. Said POLAT
64. Prof. Dr. Ömer Asım SAÇLI
65. Prof. Dr. Hüseyin SALMAN
66. Prof. Dr. Günay SARIYAR
67. Assoc. Prof. Dr.Sema SOYGENİŞ
68. Assoc. Prof. Dr.Orhan SÖYLEMEZ
69. Rtd. Ambassador Ömer ŞAHİNKAYA
70. Prof. Dr. Hale ŞIVGIN
71. Rtd. Ambassador Bilal N. ŞİMŞİR
72. Prof. Dr. Ahmet ŞİMŞİRGİL
73. Rtd. Ambassador Pulat TACAR
74. Prof. Dr. Mehmet Şükrü TEKBAŞ
75. E. Büyükelçi Sanlı TOPÇUOĞLU
76. Prof. Dr. Korkut TUNA
77. Prof. Dr. Muammer UĞUR
78. Prof. Dr. Sema UĞURCAN
79. Prof. Dr. Şafak URAL
80. Rtd. Ambassador Necati UTKAN
81. Prof. Dr. Mustafa Çetin VARLIK
82. Prof. Dr. Halil YANARDAĞ
83. Prof. Dr. Şenay YALÇIN
84. Prof. Dr. Emine YAZICIOĞLU
85. Prof. Dr. İbrahim YUSUFOĞLU
86. Rtd. Ambassador Erhan YİĞİTBAŞIOĞLU


http://www.eraren.org/index.php?Page=Sayfa&No=36&Lisan=en

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Why do these events not constitute a 'genocide'?
Posted by: esin on Jun 8, 2008 7:35 AM   
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Because of the following reasons the events which took place during the World War I between the Turks and Armenians can not be considered as genocide:

1) After the Ottoman State was defeated in the 1st World War in 1918, the French and English arrested 144 high level Ottoman veteran or civil officials including the ex-prime ministers, ex-deputies, governors and many newspapermen, and banished them to Malta Island, assuming their guilt for the death of Armenians. However, the English High Commissary could not find any reliable evidence against these officials, neither in the English nor in Ottoman Archives. In chief of the Ottoman Archives was an Armenian official .

Lord Curzon asked help of American government. Sir A.Geddes, Washington Ambassador of England reported on July 13, 1921 that his cooperative study with the American Foreign Ministry on all the reports of the American ambassadors about the Armenians' death unfortunately revealed no proof against the Turkish prisoners in Malta’.

Therefore, no indictment could be prepared and the English Royal Attorney-General could not bring suit. So, the Malta prisoners all had to be made free in 1921.

Note also that all the proofs that the Armenians still present to support genocide thesis including the diary of Ambassador Morgenthau, the telegrams of Aram Andonian and others were published long before these trials. But, the English and French invaders and the Americans did not accept them reliable and therefore looked for real evidences.

2) When the deportation were under way, the Armenians of the big cities were exempted, İstanbul, İzmir, Aleppo, where there were a great population of Armenians lived. Additionally, Katholic and Protestan Armenians were also exempted.

3) It is another striking point that in 1918, a new law letting the Armenians return their homes and claim their property was issued and many of the Armenians returned to their homes.

4) The Ottoman government tried more than 1300 men for not having taken the necessary measures during the migration and convicted many and executed several in 1916, because of the documented and horrible massacres of the deportee columns (Reporting of Talat Pasha published in Berliner Tageblatt Newspaper on 4 May 1916 ; the order sent to provinces from the Ottoman government dated 1June 1915 from Prime Ministry Ottoman Archieve SHFR, nr 54/9)

5) Not all the historians support the genocide thesis.

6) The Armenians performed hundreds of revolts against the Ottomans, being organized by Armenian committees Hınchak and Dashnak and inflicted horrible massacres upon the Turks and Muslims, beginning late 19.century. 527 000 Turks were slayed by Armenian volunteers in the Russian Army.

7) In 1915, there were 16 Armenian senators in the Ottoman senate. The Ottoman ministry of commerse and ambassador to England were Armenian till 1914. The Ottomans offered a chair to Armenian Bogos Nubar Pasha who later joined the talks of Sevres Treaty as the representative of the Armenians, but he did not accept.....................

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Why do these events not constitute a 'genocide? (2)
Posted by: esin on Jun 8, 2008 7:36 AM   
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8) Genocide is the highest crime in human history. Under the 1948 UN Convention, the authority to prosecute and proclaim genocide is reserved for the International Court of Justice and the competent domestic courts of party States—not a legislative body.
Holocaust was proven before the Nuremburg Tribunal with the trappings of due process, not by the parliaments. Why did the Armenians not bring their genocide allegation before the International Court of Justice?

The answer is simple: Because they know that their thesis is not supported by historical facts and the documents they have presented to public consists of forgeries. It is also because of this that they fiercefully reject discussing the issue in a joint commission composed of Turkish, Armenian historians and additionally historians from other nations. Instead they lobby and urge parliamentary assemblies to recognize the so-called genocide.

Is it not striking that Brian Ardouny of the Armenian Assembly of America has recently announced ‘We don’t need to prove the genocide historically, because it has already been accepted politically’’? And is it not also striking that the director of the Armenian Archives replied the director of Turkish Archives who suggested to examine both the Armenian and Turkish Archives jointly, that they did not care of the archives but all they cared of was what the world thought?

And I wonder how long the supporters of the Armenian claims will go on being blind and deaf!

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genocide charges are racist
Posted by: Fairisfair on Jun 10, 2008 7:53 AM   
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Because they ignore the Turkish dead suffered at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries.

National Geographic never printed the photos of the corpses of my grandparents because they were Turkish.

"Christian Missionaries" did not report the suffering of Turkish people, so you never learned about Turkish suffering. All you heard was the Armenian suffering, exaggerated and embellished out of reality.

Not one ounce of the humaninatian aid collected in the West and sent to the Ottoman Empire during WWI went to my starving grandparents, because they were Muslim.

That is why genocide allegations are racist,racist, racist...

You can level all the charges you want; as long as your selective morality forces you to ignore, dismiss, and belittle the Turkish dead, you will remain a racist.

Armenian losses were about 200,000 (Paris Peace Conferenec Report dated March 29, 1919) and most of those perished due to hunger and starvation, not bullets; just like most Mulsims suffered the same fate in the same area due to same reasons. Turkish losses AT THE HANDS OF ARMENIANS are 527,000.

Does any of that look like genocide to you?

Human suffering and tragedy? Yes, on both sides!
Genocide? No, not even close!

Ergun Kirlikovali
www.turkla.com

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I wonder who wrote the article
Posted by: nothing_but_facts on Jun 10, 2008 8:02 PM   
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Why does it look to me like the writing of poet and author Peter Balakian of Colgate University, rather than by a David Holthouse from the Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama?

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This article is so true - Thank you for this article
Posted by: k1000t on Jun 10, 2008 8:17 PM   
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This article is very true. Muslim Turks committed a gencoide against innocent Armenians with no weapons including innocent children, women, and the elderly. They died in the most horrific ways you can think of as the policy of the Turkish goverments was EXTERMINATION of a race.

Shame on bad historians and politicians who take blood money from the Muslim Turks to deny a Christian Holocaust that also includes the killings of hundreds of thousands of other innocent Christians such as Pontian Greeks, Assyrians, etc. It was to eliminate Christians on their homeland, so they can take the land, and erase an ancient, proud, and decent people.

Shame on the Muslim Turks that are proud of this, and make up stories to justify this genocide. There is no justification as there is too much proof -- there is a large Armenian genocide museum in Washington DC, etc.

Turks are holding 90 percent of Armenian lands and will have to return it as well. In the end the world and humanity will not stand for this.

Also, I leave this link for everyone to see the horrors of what Turks did to many European Christian peoples such as Greeks, Serbs, Albanians, Assyrians, Hungarians,Bulgarians, etc:

http://www.historyofjihad.com/

I call on the newer generation of Turks to change their hateful ways and apologoize not only for the gencoide, but for the centuries of mass murder, rape, and blood tax they put on their European subjects.

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Quotes from Famous People Affirming the Armenian Genocide
Posted by: k1000t on Jun 17, 2008 7:48 PM   
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Thirty thousand Kurds and 1 million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it,”

- Orhan Pamuk (first Turkish person to receive a Nobel Prize)

“These left-overs from the former Young Turkey Party, who should have been made to account for the lives of millions of our

Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse, from their homes and massacred, have been restive under the Republican

rule.”

- Mustapha Kemal Pasha (Mustafa Kemal: 1926 Los Angeles Examiner Quote )

"... They are the greatest stain that has ever disgraced our nation and race. They were entirely the work of Talat and Enver. I heard some days before they began that they were intended. I went to Istanbul and insisted on seeing Enver. I asked him if it was true that they intended to recommence the massacres which had been our shame and disgrace under
Abdul Hamid. The only reply I could get from him was: 'It is decided. It is the program.'

Prince Abdul Mecid (Heir-Apparent to the Ottoman Throne, during an interview...)
" When the Turkish authorities gave the orders for these deportations, they were merely giving the death warrant to a whole race; they understood this well, and, in their conversations with me, they made no particular attempt to conceal the fact. . . . I am confident that the whole history of the human race contains no such horrible episode as this. The great massacres and persecutions of the past seem almost insignificant when compared to the sufferings of the Armenian race in 1915. "

U.S. Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire Ambassador Morgenthau's Story, 1919


" ...the Armenian massacre was the greatest crime of the war, and the failure to act against Turkey is to condone it ... the failure to deal radically with the Turkish horror means that all talk of guaranteeing the future peace of the world is mischievous nonsense. "

- Theodore Roosevelt


The association of Mount Ararat and Noah, the staunch Christians who were massacred periodically by the Mohammedan Turks, and the Sunday School collections over fifty years for alleviating their miseries—all cumulate to impress the name Armenia on the

front of the American mind.

- Herbert Hoover

It is generally not known in the world that, in the years preceding 1916, there was a concerted effort made to eliminate all the Armenian people, probably one of the greatest tragedies that ever befell any group. And there weren't any Nuremberg trials.

--Jimmy Carter

Like the genocide of the Armenians before it, and the genocide of the Cambodians which followed it, ... the lessons of the
Holocaust must never be forgotten.

-Ronald Reagan

"...with orders to them to send to death, mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish race and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (Lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
-Adolf Hitler

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