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Rights and Liberties

America's Cruel and Unusual Culture: Why Do We Execute the Mentally Handicapped?

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted May 31, 2008.


A Supreme Court ruling recently gave states the green light to resume executions; two of the first three executed prisoners were mentally disabled.
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"We just executed a man with the IQ of an 11-year-old child," Virginia defense attorney Timothy M. Richardson announced to reporters after the death of his client at the Greensville Correctional Center in Jarratt, Va. At 10 p.m. on May 27, state executioners killed 31-year old Kevin Green, who confessed to the murder of a convenience store owner during a robbery in 1998. Green was sent to death row and kept there for 10 years, despite having an IQ of 65, which qualified him as mentally retarded.

Many Americans assume that executing mentally disabled prisoners is a thing of the past. In a landmark ruling involving another Virginia prisoner, Daryl Renard Atkins, in 2002, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that executing the mentally retarded was tantamount to "cruel and unusual punishment." "It is fair to say that a national consensus has developed against it," Justice John Paul Stevens wrote in Atkins v. Virginia, citing the growing number of states that had outlawed it.

The ruling followed years of executions -- some high-profile -- of mentally challenged defendants, including the controversial death of Ricky Ray Rector, the lobotomized Arkansas death row prisoner who then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton stopped to see killed while on the campaign trail in 1992. There was also the case of Mario Marquez, a mentally disabled Texas death row prisoner who had been abused as a child before being abandoned by his parents at age 12. No discussion of his mental retardation or years of abuse entered the courtroom before he was sentenced to die. But his post-conviction attorney would later describe how Marquez "was never able to discuss the specifics of his legal case, but instead we talked a lot about his favorite animals, things he liked to draw, and how he missed being able to see his brothers and sisters." Marquez was executed on the day of Gov. George W. Bush's inauguration, in 1995.

And then there was the case of Earl Washington, a mentally disabled Virginia man who was exonerated in 2000 after having falsely confessed to a rape and murder committed in 1982. "The confession proved to be the prosecution's only evidence linking Washington to the crime," reported the Innocence Project, and "psychological analysis of Washington reported that, to compensate for his disability, Washington would politely defer to any authority figure with whom he came into contact. Thus, when police officers asked Washington leading questions in order to obtain a confession, he complied and offered affirmative responses in order to gain their approval."

Nobody disputed the guilt of Kevin Green. But Washington's confession put him in the company of many disabled prisoners whose mental pliability makes them especially vulnerable to false confessions -- one of the leading contributions to wrongful conviction.

The Atkins decision was a critical development in death penalty jurisprudence, in keeping with a trend the court likes to call our country's "evolving standards of decency." But when it came to enforcement, the court's 6-to-3 ruling contained what has proved to be a fatal flaw: It left it up to the states to define mental retardation, providing no standard measure for determining a defendant's mental capacity, thus rendering the law hopelessly elastic. The result: Prisoners with severe mental disabilities continue to face execution across the country.

Who is mentally impaired?

Common psychiatric consensus deems anything below an IQ of 70 as signaling mental retardation. According to the guidelines of the American Psychiatric Association, 71-84 shows "borderline intellectual functioning"; anything less ranges from mild, to moderate, to severe, to "profound" mental retardation. Atkins and Green both fell under the "mild" category: Atkins, with an IQ of 59, had never lived on his own or held a job (proof, according to the prosecution, that he was simply shiftless and "not motivated to succeed.") Green, meanwhile, never finished middle school and suffered from "language deficiencies," according to one report, as well as "the inability to write and to care for himself, and difficulty with simple tasks like tying his shoes or making Kool-Aid." Crucially, however, he was capable of getting a job doing physical labor. And as prosecutors would emphasize, with the help of his 16-year old nephew, he was also capable of carrying out a murder.


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Ricky Ray Rector
Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 31, 2008 3:14 AM   
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Why do we execute anybody? Because, culturally-speaking, we're a Third World country...And economically, we're on our way.

This article goes down a strange path, since it implies that executing someone with a larger IQ is somehow more ethical. It's similar to the warped reasoning that killing a cop is worse than killing a real person.

But I guess there's a method behind the madness, similar to what the anti-abortion crowd is trying to do with Roe vs. Wade: Use dramatic cases and nibble away the rough legal/ethical edges until you kill it altogether.

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» Google...... Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Google...... Posted by: Quannah
Why Not?
Posted by: Ivann on May 31, 2008 3:46 AM   
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Why shouldn't the US execute mentally retarded prisoners? I mean the Nazis did, didn't they?

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» RE: Why Not? Posted by: Philor
» RE: Why Not? Posted by: PrezKennedy
» RE: Why Not? Posted by: xmvince
» RE: Why Not? Posted by: Father Time
And NOT Traitors, WAR & Humanitarian Criminals?!?!
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 31, 2008 5:14 AM   
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Fire Up 'Old Sparky' We are Gonna have a "Reality Show" Like NO Other! They are going to HATED their 'Parting Gifts'

Cave Adsum
"Public Sevants", CEO's & unsecured Loan 'Investors'

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Bon Mot
Posted by: GPFrank on May 31, 2008 5:21 AM   
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Ricky Ray included a "bon mot" in his posting
" . . .killing a cop . . .worse than killing a real person"

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John Thomas
Posted by: RedFoxOne on May 31, 2008 5:46 AM   
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I'd like to know why "we" execute anyone at all. Who is to justify State sanctioned MURDER. Its all a bit barbaric if you ask me.

JT
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com

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This is the wrong question.
Posted by: leland61 on May 31, 2008 5:50 AM   
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The real question is: Why do we commit state sponsored premeditated murder on a regular basis and call ourselves civilized?As long as we keep misdirecting the questions and asking questions designed to avoid the real issue, we will not find anything worth talking about.

Aside from China, a more or less civilized country, which executes about 10,000 people a year that we know of, what other country not only incarcerates such a large portion of its population while methodically murdering a few each year?

What other country, in the major leagues, has recently invaded and attempted to occupy not one but two countries in this century - so far? We are asking the wrong questions because we are programmed to ignore the imperial, murderous thug elephant in our midst - NEO-CON thug philosophy best demonstrated in the Project for The New American Century.

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» RE: This is the wrong question. Posted by: JERSEYDAN
» WHY? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: WHY? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: WHY? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: WHY? Posted by: Quannah
Shiftless
Posted by: bobtr900 on May 31, 2008 5:56 AM   
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"Shiftless and not motivated to succeed". Isn't that the meme the Republican party and especially it's Fascist wing levels at all of the rest of us. If we were all far more motivated to succeed we would all be rich. Just as rich as the evangelical fundies (not all evangelicals).

My relatives in the business world (Republicans, what else) think all of the rest of us are "shiftless and not motivated to succeed". I guess we are not supposed to care for "these the least of my brethren". Caring for others less fortunate is something Rethugs just hate because they think with their pocketbooks, their wallets, their bank accounts. Caring for others requires paying taxes and they just hate taxes.

No we don't exectue retarded people, liberals/progressives think more deeply about these kind of situations. Republicans execute... As Thom Hartmann of Air America Radio says we are the party of "WE", not the party of "ME".

I don't know if the situation has political undertones to it. But it just strikes me that this is what our "Culture of Death" for profits and political power has and is devolvong into/ down to. It's all quite sad. America has become a crass, heavy handed and brutal society. All thanks to St. Reagan and the Republican Party.

Thank you Jerry Falwell and the Pope(s) for what you have turned this country into, a crass and base society. And the Republicans and their Theocons and Neocons and Corporate Fascists are succeeding, their is just no one to stop them.

It seems that all we can do is to keep 'pointing the finger' of accusation at them for whatever good it does. Vincent Bugliosi puts forth the thesis that we only do it for too short of periods of time, and then we give up. He is quite right.

The Rethugs have their talking points and they never give up they just keep repeating them, again and again, and in perfect lock step. And they are very successful. St. Reagan, Daddy Bush and now Lil' Georgie boy and next McSame. Their endless repetition is the key to their success.

But now I'm far afield, so 'nuff said.

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» Bob Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Bob Posted by: Quannah
» back off Quannah Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: back off Quannah Posted by: Quannah
» Aren't you the one that said..... Posted by: pfeifer999
» how convenient for you Posted by: pfeifer999
Save The World Or Savor It?
Posted by: drricklippin on May 31, 2008 5:57 AM   
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An age old dilemma.

I woke up this morning determined to enjoy the beauties of a glorious spring day ahead of me.

But before I went outdoors I logged into AlterNet and read this horrible headline and story.

And I asked myself the age old question? Do I spend my day (or my entire Spring 2008) railing againt these horrible injustices?-And working toward their elimination??Or do I enjoy the spring day putting horrible thoughts "on hold"

I read once that in order to save the world first you must savor it?

Probably we can do both?

What do you think?

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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» RE: Save The World Or Savor It? Posted by: carlie727
» RE: Well Said carlie727 Posted by: drricklippin
» Lucky or not? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Quanna is Wise Posted by: drricklippin
And now a word or two about Capitol Punishment
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 31, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Please, when you're done reading all of the great articles and comment on AlterNet, have a look at what I wrote on my blog on April 20 on this very subject. Here's a link:

And Now a Word or Two About Capitol Punishment

All the best,
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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eelyanqui
Posted by: elyanqui on May 31, 2008 6:06 AM   
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I'm all in favor of the death penalty. I'm just not in favor of the way it is enforced. A person should have at least 3 violent convictions before they are given a death sentence and this would put an end to innocent people being put to death. The death sentence should also be carried out within 30 days so we don't have endless appeals. That's my views and they are not cast in stone but the laws need changing.

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» RE: eelyanqui Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» RE: eelyanqui Posted by: Outsidetheboxlookingin
» RE: eelyanqui Posted by: Quannah
» arbitrary numbers Posted by: frantaylor
» 30 days?!? Posted by: thejanet2
Disability rights often go without notice or comment and can we move beyond 1970s lingo?
Posted by: mortar on May 31, 2008 6:07 AM   
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Executing people with cognitive disabilities, ("retarded" not commonly used by advocates these days), is one of the many human rights issues facing people with disabilities. So is institutionalization, medicaid practices, and SSI income restrictions...but that's another topic. Execution is particularly heinous in these situations. But it begs the question, how do these young men slip through the cracks in the first place? Add all the mentally ill people on death row and you have an even broader issue. But please alternet, at least attempt to use people first language.

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» people first Posted by: pfeifer999
Flotsam and Jetsam
Posted by: SquareheadXYZ on May 31, 2008 6:11 AM   
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The good Catholic men on the U.S. Supine Court are reprehensible in their 'inconsistent' Life Ethic - although they rode in on banning abortion, supported by the most inane drivel about how 'innocent' life, a tired paradigm, was their lens for all and have proceeded in 'allowing' the violation of every precept that moralizers over time have affirmed. This lot of thinkers, two in particular with gravely-flawed judicial temperament, Scalia and Thomas - both petulant and resentful - have proven themselves venal and recalcitrant on a host of issues. One more example of the wormy flotsam that has risen to the surface after the shipwreck of liberal democracy prizing education, integration, and equality - of course we were never a perfect fit for this, but now the dive to the hard right which idolizes compartmentalized thinking and advantage-boosting of all kinds, truth be damned ... it's over.

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» RE: Flotsam and Jetsam Posted by: desidid
» pretty clear distinctions Posted by: pfeifer999
Because Americo is the most backward, half a-s, humanityless, Bananna Republic in the world?
Posted by: Ottomatic on May 31, 2008 6:37 AM   
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Please sing:
But,
WE GOT WAR!
We got No money for:
Education,
Health Care,
Poverty,
Renewable Energy,
Infrastructure and the Homeless!
But,
WE GOT WAR.

Wheres the Compassion?
Brother
Where's the Cooperation?
Sister
Where's the Helpfulness?
Buddy
Where's the Peacefulness and
Where's the Brotherly Love,
Christian?
Exactly what did the Lamb say and do?

TRILLIONS go missing at the Pentagon along with your Ballots.
A penny for The WAR please!

Go figure?
But,
WE GOT WAR!
Don't say anything!
Don't say a thing!
Don't ever question the insanity behind my beautiful new shiny,
Killing Machine!

Bow your heads today and prey to
THE CORPIRATE
GOD of GREED and VIOLENCE!
Please let me live, to be tortured, lied to and spied on, another day.
Sad,
It is!
24
That's the facts, Jack.
Time to update!
The System is corrupted.
SURGE, PURGE, REBOOT!

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For more information
Posted by: Thucy on May 31, 2008 6:58 AM   
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on this horrible practice, I recommend two books by Robert Perske. "Unequal Justice: What Can Happen When Persons with Retardation or Other Developmental Disabilities Encounter the Criminal Justice System," and "Deadly Innocence." "Unequal Justice" in particular contains detailed accounts of how completely innocent people with disabilities end up "confessing" to crimes through coercion and manipulation.

Here, for instance, is a transcript of a part of the interrogation that led to the "confession" of David Vasquez for the rape and murder of a woman in Virginia.

Q: Did she tell you tie her hands behind her back?
A: Ah, if she did, I did.
Q: What did you use?
A: The ropes?
Q: No, not the ropes. What did you use?
A: Only my belt.
Q: No, not your belt. Remember cutting the venetian blind cords?
A: Ah, it's the same as rope.
Q: Yeah.... Now tell us how you did it.
A: She told me to grab the knife and stab her...
Q: David. No. David.
A: If it did happen, and I did it, and my fingerprints were on it."
Q: [yelling] You HUNG HER!
A: Okay, so I hung her."

The information "obtained" from this interrogation was then typed up as if Vasquez had produced it spontanteously, and presented to the jury as a "signed confession."

People with developmental disabilities are often trained to defer to any authority figure, as a way to make them more compliant in institutions, schools, group homes. The police exploit that, and the results are often tragic.

Thank you Alternet for running this article.

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» RE: For more information Posted by: bonzi
the NAZI's used to kill
Posted by: andrewstromotich on May 31, 2008 7:04 AM   
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retarded folks too, didn't they?

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» RE: the NAZI's used to kill Posted by: andrewstromotich
» yep, and they..... Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: yep, and they..... Posted by: Quannah
» well DUH Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: well DUH Posted by: Quannah
» patronise away, dear Quannah Posted by: pfeifer999
» No, actually they... Posted by: RebelMars
» Scapegoating Posted by: Cathyc
» sorry, but..... Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: sorry, but..... Posted by: Quannah
» you can hide from it Posted by: pfeifer999
Death Penalty convictions/sentences are inconsistent in California
Posted by: ptown on May 31, 2008 7:21 AM   
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Death Penalty convictions/sentences are inconsistent in California. It's very random. One guy gets 25 years and fades into obscurity, another guy gets the DP and becomes a rock star to thousands of death row groupies. Life without the possibility of parole seems like the worse sentence. At least with the DP, an inmate gets fan mail, love struck females, endless media and appeals, and a dramatic end to their miserable life. For folks with LWOP, it's just day after day after day and then a pine-box parole.
Appeals take too long- there is no reason someone should sit on death row for 20-25 years (California). Five years should be the maximum to scientifically (DNA) prove or disprove guilt in an appeal. Either execute or transfer to LWOP. First degree murderers should never be let out. And they are. Routinely. After 25 years, for example. We have way bigger problems than persons with developmental disabilities being sentenced to death row. Our entire planet is dying.

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» i did not say UNIVERSE Posted by: ptown
The execution of prisoner who are mentally retarded.
Posted by: computerwhiz on May 31, 2008 7:25 AM   
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There state does have a right to execute an individual who has less than a 75 I.Q. However these individuals should be given a sentence of life in order to protect society. computerwhiz

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CharlieChicken
Posted by: CharlieChicken on May 31, 2008 7:28 AM   
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My angry immediate response as I read this article was Why not just euthanize everyone with an IQ below a certain level and the Mentally Ill. That would save mega bucks on incarceration in jails/prisons, legal proceedings, media hype, executions et cetera.

Oh imagine the furor over that solution. Think of the money that could not be laundered as it flows down. Ratz! You can bet those folks would argue vehemently against that suggestion.

It would be fun to see them try get real jobs. I have heard they are hiring in a mfg plant in Iowa.

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» RE: CharlieChicken Posted by: harryf200
And the most Retarded?
Posted by: modeler on May 31, 2008 7:36 AM   
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Sits in the White House, why isn't this Criminal on Deathrow. He deserves to be executed more than anybody else.

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» No, Bush is not "Retarded"... Posted by: RebelMars
Because they killed people, I'm guessing.
Posted by: johnshadows on May 31, 2008 7:37 AM   
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There's plenty of mentally handicapped people who don't. I also think that defense lawyers often stretch the definition of 'handicapped' in the same way they refer to psychopathic 17-year-olds one month short of their 18th birthday as 'children'.

You kill someone, you get the juice. So try and be nice.

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» If this is true... Posted by: RebelMars
» You got me .... Posted by: johnshadows
» RE: You got me .... Posted by: helenwheels
Executing the mentaly disabled.
Posted by: itchyvet on May 31, 2008 7:50 AM   
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Would someone correct me please, if I've got it wrong, but didn't Hitler with his Third Reich also execute the mentaly disabled ?
It would seem the parralels between Hitler and the U.S. today are so similar one could be excused for thinking they are one and the same.

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» Yes and no Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Yes and no Posted by: richholland
» yes Posted by: pfeifer999
The crude facts are we are all murderers, so why don't we just start a 12 step program for it?
Posted by: Nightstallion on May 31, 2008 7:53 AM   
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You know like "just for today I am not going to kill anyone, Just for today when someone pisses me off I will get an arbiter to settle the differences.

Today I admit I am a hopeless murderer and realize I have no control over the URGE to kill someone. I also realize that killing one person is too much and that a thousand is never enough

I realize that I will use any pretext or pretense to kill. That age, gender, race or species are only excuses I use to klll, claiming that: "They are different and Just plain wrong!"

Just for today, I will put aside these "differences, likes, dislikes, hatreds, and loathing’s doing my utmost best to change myself instead of ending the other person.

Just for today, I will control my murderous ass and keep my nose out of other people’s imperfections and emotional brain farts.

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THE NAZI "THING"
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 31, 2008 8:05 AM   
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We are not like the Nazis. Some Americans continue to behave like our original settlers, who were not nice people. They were not in search of religious freedon. They took the land for themselves, murdered the Indians who taught them how to survive and they are still with us. Come to think of it, the Nazis are like THEM. We have to stand up to them and put an end to the death penalty altogether. Besides it's only for poor people. Most countries have done away with it. We should to. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: THE NAZI "THING" Posted by: harryf200
Why The mentally Ill should not be executed.
Posted by: apachequeblue on May 31, 2008 8:06 AM   
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Because we are not Nazis, we are Americans.
Because instead of execution these people need help with medical treatment.
Because it is the wrong thing to do.
Because God said, THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
Because it is not mans' given right to decide when another man should die.

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» From.......... Posted by: pfeifer999
Heinous! We are truly a despicalble culture!
Posted by: rjgwood on May 31, 2008 8:11 AM   
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Any delusions we had about being a civilized nation should have left us a long time ago.

As the mother of a child with a disability and someone working to organize disability rights family unions, I find this chilling!

How can these people sleep at night?

Why don't we just allow the victims family to shoot the killers? Because lets just remove all the pretense...this is about revenge. Society gets angry when someone is murdered (and rightly so), but reacts in an equally ugly way. That is not the way to enlightened progress, this is the path back to the dark ages.

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Bush 43 is a prime example of cruel behavior
Posted by: HughScott on May 31, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Iraq War aside, during his tenure as the governor of Texas, George W. presided over a record-setting 152 executions without once offering mercy, not even to a retarded inmate. All that piety from a former boozehound who, by his own admission in his 1999 autobio, A Charge to Keep, broke Lone Star law by driving while intoxicated hundreds of times without once being charged.

Are we to believe during 20 years of binge drinking, Bush never received mercy from a cop or highway patrolman after being stopped for being under the influence?

In his autobiography, George W. asked himself rhetorically in regards to drunken driving, “How in the hell did I keep from killing someone?” Good luck, obviously, but that wasn’t the case for capital punishment inmates at Huntsville State Prison during his governorship.

In the defunct magazine, Talk, Bush reportedly discussed one of his execution victims, Karla Faye Tucker, a convicted murderess who became a sincere and devoted Christian on death row.

George W. apparently didn’t believe Karla had changed because during the Talk interview, he imitated her failed appeal for mercy by pursing his lips, squinting his eyes and saying in a squeaky voice, “Please don’t kill me.”

How sick is that, Bush lovers?

Finally, speaking of sick-minded people, they include EVERY Hillary supporter who will bitterly back Insane McCain in November instead of Senator Obama -- the greatest inspirational leader I have heard since 1956, when I first voted in a general election (for Eisenhower).

----------------------------

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, ARDENT Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.

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» DUDE Posted by: pfeifer999
» apparently so, unthinking slob Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Karla Faye Joke Posted by: Mycos
The Mentally Retarded are Usually Poor and Therefore Much More Likely to Be Executed
Posted by: sofla100 on May 31, 2008 8:33 AM   
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Of course, the mentally retarded tend to be from the poorer strata of society and they lack not just mental resources, but financial ones as well. Generally speaking, it's your economic status and your race that determine if you will be given the death penalty in America, regardless of your crime. Therefore, the mentally retarded will inevitably be often on the receiving end of it. Welcome, once again, to America.

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» just HAVE to ask........... Posted by: pfeifer999
Are mentally rearded people children?
Posted by: YogiBear on May 31, 2008 8:47 AM   
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Why Do We Execute the Mentally Handicapped?

I think we should pose this question to the mentally retarded. You know, those folks who fight all their lives to gain acceptance, fight for the rest of us to treat them like adults who can take care of themselves, to treat them as if they know right from wrong?

A man may be too retarded to fully understand the consequences of his actions. But any man that can be taught how to use a gun, knows enough what it can do.

I err on the side of knowledge. I beleive the retarded should be treated as adults. For that matter, I beleive children should have some rights.

But I'm not sure the death penalty is always the right option.

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Dehumanizing Vocabulary as One More Reason Why: "Handicapped," "Retarded," and Other Anachronisms
Posted by: blaser on May 31, 2008 9:31 AM   
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Liliana Segura and Alternet readers alert us to many of the reasons why the US has a deserved reputation as a human rights violator in the "civilized world." But unfortunate choices of vocabulary reflect another way in which "we" set ourselves apart from "them." For years now the Associated Press has recognized that "disabled" is preferable to "handicapped" and "retarded" has been replaced by sources as varied as the Black Eyed Peas and the American Association on Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities (formerly the American Association on Mental Retardation).

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» Politically correct or . . . Posted by: countingdaisies
» RE: Absolutely Posted by: Mycos
» RE: Absolutely Posted by: MelStL
Sick
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 31, 2008 9:56 AM   
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What do you expect in a country that, as a matter of policy, tortures people, most of whom are innocent?
The only thing worse than torturing someone is killing them.
And given how easy it is to lead mentally challenged people to "confess", and given that these people are often poor (and so they may have gotten bad representation in court), I have to wonder how many mentally disabled people on death row are actually innocent.

But hey, if they are innocent, the more fun it is for our society when we kill them "tards"! Yeee-hawwww!

Sick.

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Are they really mentally handicaped?
Posted by: ReallyBearish on May 31, 2008 10:29 AM   
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I've seen cases of a number of people faking retardation, psychosis, and even brain damage. Unless I see some PHYSICAL evidence, I'm not going to take the word of some hired gun as to the mental state or abilities of a criminal. My skepticism comes from my own training in psychological tests and measurements.

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The reason this is an issue
Posted by: Mexitli on May 31, 2008 11:03 AM   
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is because this is the United States. Land of the Free.

now get in your cell and shut up.

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» Tell us Mex..... Posted by: pfeifer999
» they send them north Posted by: ptown
The DA...What a Smile ! Some News from the Boondocks
Posted by: picket on May 31, 2008 11:27 AM   
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About two years ago the New York Times did a three part series about Franklin County in Upstate NY called "Broken Bench":Abuse of Law and Power". Not much has changed.

The DA is MOST pleased... In 2007, Felony convictions were way up, 97.9 percent. Out of 146 felony cases, 143 resulted in convictions: three at trial and the remaining 140 via plea bargains.

No excellent legal representation for these folks. I'd guess that most convictions are Cannabis possession because this county is on the Canadian border. Last month border agents shot a 24 year old in the back....MJ in his duffel bag!!!!

According to the 2000 census, in this sparsely populated area there are about 52,000 people or 12,000 families. The per capita income is $16,000/year. 15% of the population is below the poverty line. Even the local Physicians are complaining about the high property taxes. Oh well, the jail needs more beds, and the DA has millions at his disposal... to catch more criminals.

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The new American way
Posted by: donl51 on May 31, 2008 11:51 AM   
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If you don't understand it,...kill it!! seems to be the way things have been going,besides it's probably cheaper!...America love it or leave it! I say leave it if you can!........the new police state! for your protection,and if you believe that bullshit,you deserve what you get!.....Gov...for the corp.,by the corp. of the corp.!

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what should be done?
Posted by: luzmejor on May 31, 2008 12:08 PM   
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I am willing to state that the meaning of the word murder is to kill someone with malice aforethought.

Someone with the mental acuity of a child may not be able to reason enough to have any kind of moral sensitivity. However, it appears that many of these "handicapped" persons are still a great danger to the public, being able, while free of restraint, to murder others at any time.

They are also not in possession of any help to organize their own living arrangements.

Should we then prefer to keep them alive, who would be tasked to perform the onerous duty of
caring for them until they die of "natural" causes?

This question has never been satisfactorily answered. I invite any of you to make the attempt.

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» RE: what should be done? Posted by: vivachavez
» do you HEAR what you're saying? Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: I didn't propose elimination of anyone Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» read between your own lines Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: I don't know Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com