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An Independent Prosecutor Should Investigate the Architects of the White House Torture Policy
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What does torture have in common with genocide, slavery, and wars of aggression? They are all jus cogens. That's Latin for "higher law" or "compelling law." This means that no country can ever pass a law that allows torture. There can be no immunity from criminal liability for violation of a jus cogens prohibition.
The United States has always prohibited torture in our Constitution, laws, executive statements, judicial decisions, and treaties. When the U.S. ratifies a treaty, it becomes part of American law under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution.
The Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, says, "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification for torture."
Whether someone is a POW or not, he must always be treated humanely; there are no gaps in the Geneva Conventions.
The U.S. War Crimes Act, and 18 USC sections 818 and 3231, punish torture, willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, and inhuman, humiliating or degrading treatment.
The Torture Statute criminalizes the commission, attempt, or conspiracy to commit torture outside the United States.
The Constitution gives Congress the power to make laws and the President the duty to enforce them. Yet Bush, relying on memos by lawyers including John Yoo, announced the Geneva Conventions did not apply to alleged Taliban and Al Qaeda members. But torture and inhumane treatment are never allowed under our laws.
Justice Department lawyers wrote memos at the request of Bush officials to insulate them from prosecution for torture. In memos dated August 1, 2002 and March 14, 2003, John Yoo wrote the DOJ would not enforce U.S. laws against torture, assault, maiming and stalking, in the detention and interrogation of enemy combatants.
The maiming statute makes it a crime for someone "with the intent to torture, maim, or disfigure" to "cut, bite, or slit the nose, ear or lip, or cut out or disable the tongue, or put out or destroy an eye, or cut off or disable a limb, or any member of another person" or throw or pour upon another person any scalding water, corrosive acid, or caustic substance.
Yoo said, "just because the statute says -- that doesn't mean you have to do it." In a debate with Notre Dame Professor Doug Cassell, Yoo said there is no treaty that prohibits the President from torturing someone by crushing the testicles of the person's child. It depends on the President's motive, Yoo said, notwithstanding the absolute prohibition on torture.
Yoo twisted the law and redefined torture much more narrowly than the Torture Convention and the Torture Statute. Under Yoo's definition, you have to nearly kill the person to constitute torture.
Yoo wrote that self-defense or necessity could be defenses to war crimes prosecutions, notwithstanding the Torture Convention's absolute prohibition against torture in all circumstances.
After the August 1, 2002 memo was made public, the DOJ knew it was indefensible. It was withdrawn as of June 1, 2004, and a new opinion, dated December 30, 2004, specifically rejected Yoo's definition of torture, and admitted that a defendant's motives to protect national security won't shield him from prosecution. The rescission of the prior memo is an admission by the DOJ that the legal reasoning was wrong. But for the 22 months it was in effect, it sanctioned and caused the torture of myriad prisoners.
Yoo and other DOJ lawyers were part of a common plan to violate U.S. and international laws outlawing torture. It was reasonably foreseeable their advice would result in great physical or mental harm or death to many detainees. Indeed, more than 100 have died, many from torture. Yoo admitted recently he knew interrogators would take action based on what he advised.
Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, George Tenet, and John Ashcroft met in the White House and micromanaged the torture by approving specific torture techniques such as waterboarding. Bush admitted he knew and approved of their actions.
They are all liable under the War Crimes Act and the Torture Statute. Under the doctrine of command responsibility, commanders, all the way up the chain of command to the commander in chief, are liable for war crimes if they knew or should have known their subordinates would commit them, and they did nothing to stop or prevent it. The Bush officials ordered the torture after seeking legal cover from their lawyers.
The President can no more order the commission of torture than he can order the commission of genocide, or establish a system of slavery, or wage a war of aggression.
A Select Committee of Congress should launch an immediate and thorough investigation of the circumstances under which torture was authorized and rationalized. The high officials of our government, and the lawyers who advised them, should be investigated and prosecuted by a Special Prosecutor, independent of the Justice Department, for their roles in misusing the rule of law and legal analysis to justify torture and other crimes in flagrant violation of our laws.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 13, 2008 7:59 AM
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on May 13, 2008 10:46 AM
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fortunately..however..we may yet prevent further abuses this fall if we dont allow john mcclone to continue them...but mcclone might easily win by promising to do so..as voters are solidly with bush on this issue...our only hope is if theres a more compelling reason for someone to vote against mcclone than torture is to vote for him...
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 13, 2008 11:49 AM
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And they should have no problem getting confessions with the new, legal, enhanced, interrogation techniques available (Thank Yoo)
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Posted by: Gaubladt on May 13, 2008 4:37 PM
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Posted by: Turiye on May 13, 2008 9:07 PM
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Posted by: 8 nontheist on May 14, 2008 3:56 PM
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If you oppose the death penalty-I can't change your mind. But I ask that you turn away when these creatures are killed & we, the blood thirsty, have our revenge. Humor us.
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Posted by: diogenesparis on May 14, 2008 4:54 PM
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United States v. Altstoetter, sometimes referred to as the "Reich Justice Ministry Case", or "war crimes by advice".
Bush has always avoided responsibility for his decisions and actions and erroneously thinks that as long as he can get some fool to tell him what he plans to do is legal, it is. WRONG. Let the war crimes trials begin January 20, 2009.
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Posted by: Michael_D on May 14, 2008 8:36 PM
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Posted by: jmmartin on May 14, 2008 8:45 PM
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What is really needed is a plan to exercise extraordinary rendition vis-a-vis Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rummy, and all the neocons (e.g. Wolfie and Pearlie) and have them transported forthwith to The Hague to stand before an international tribunal established to try the whole bunch of them for war crimes.
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on May 13, 2008 10:46 AM
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fortunately..however..we may yet prevent further abuses this fall if we dont allow john mcclone to continue them...but mcclone might easily win by promising to do so..as voters are solidly with bush on this issue...our only hope is if theres a more compelling reason for someone to vote against mcclone than torture is to vote for him...
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 13, 2008 11:49 AM
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And they should have no problem getting confessions with the new, legal, enhanced, interrogation techniques available (Thank Yoo)
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Posted by: 8 nontheist on May 14, 2008 3:56 PM
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Posted by: diogenesparis on May 14, 2008 4:54 PM
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United States v. Altstoetter, sometimes referred to as the "Reich Justice Ministry Case", or "war crimes by advice".
Bush has always avoided responsibility for his decisions and actions and erroneously thinks that as long as he can get some fool to tell him what he plans to do is legal, it is. WRONG. Let the war crimes trials begin January 20, 2009.
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Posted by: Michael_D on May 14, 2008 8:36 PM
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google video:
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911 Mysteries Part 1 - Demolitions (Full - 1ed.)
iraq for sale
no end in sight
PatriotsQuestion911
PilotsFor911Truth
911PressForTruth
BodyOfWar
RevolutionMarch
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Posted by: jmmartin on May 14, 2008 8:45 PM
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What is really needed is a plan to exercise extraordinary rendition vis-a-vis Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rummy, and all the neocons (e.g. Wolfie and Pearlie) and have them transported forthwith to The Hague to stand before an international tribunal established to try the whole bunch of them for war crimes.
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