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An Atheist Goes Undercover to Join the Flock of Mad Pastor John Hagee

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted May 5, 2008.


In this excerpt from his new book, Matt Taibbi shares his experiences at a Hagee's boot camp for new converts.
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The following is an excerpt from Matt Taibbi's new book, The Great Derangement" (Spiegel and Grau, 2008). Update: Matt Taibbi has responded to readers concerns about a passage in this excerpt. Response pasted at the bottom.

I pulled into the church parking lot a little after 6:00 p.m., at more or less the last possible minute. The previous half hour or so I'd spent dawdling in my car outside a Goodwill department store off Route 410 in San Antonio, clinging to some inane sports talk show piping over my car radio -- anything to hold off my plunge into Religion.

There was an old-fashioned white school bus in front of the church entrance, with a puddle of heavyset people milling around its swinging door. Some of these were carrying blankets and sleeping bags. My heart, already pounding, skipped a few extra beats. The church circulars had said nothing about bringing bedding. Why did I need bedding? What else had I missed?

"Excuse me," I said, walking up to an in-charge-looking man with a name tag who was standing near the front of the bus. "I see everyone has blankets. I didn't bring any. Is this going to be a problem?"

The man was about five feet one and had glassy eyes. He looked up at me and smiled queerly.

"Name?" he said.

"Collins," I said. "Matthew Collins."

He scanned his clipboard, found my name on the appropriate sheet of paper, and X-ed me out with a highlighter. "Don't worry, Matthew," he said, resting his hand on my shoulder. "A wonderful woman named Martha is going to take care of you at the ranch. You just tell her what you need when you get there."

I nodded, glancing at his hand, which was still on my shoulder. He waved me into the bus.

I had been attending the Cornerstone Church for weeks, but this was really my first day of school. I had joined Cornerstone -- a megachurch in the Texas Hill Country -- to get a look inside the evangelical mind-set that gave the country eight years of George W. Bush. The church's pastor, John Hagee, is one of the most influential evangelical preachers in the country -- not because his ministry is so very large (although he claims up to 4.5 million viewers a week for his Sunday sermons) but because of his near-absolute conquest of a very trendy niche in the market: Christian Zionism.

The whole idea behind Christian Zionism is to align America with the nation of Israel so as to "hurry God up" in his efforts to bring about Armageddon. As Hagee tells it, only after Israel is involved in a final showdown involving a satanic army (in most interpretations, a force of Arabs led by Russians) will Christ reappear. On that happy day, Hagee and his True Believers will be whisked up to Heaven by God, while the rest of us nonbelievers are left behind on Earth to suck eggs and generally suffer various tortures.

So here I was, standing in the church parking lot, having responded to church advertisements hawking an "Encounter Weekend" -- three solid days of sleep-away Christian fellowship that would teach me the "joy" of "knowing the truth" and "being set free." That had sounded harmless enough, but now that I was here and surrounded by all of these blanket-bearing people, I was nervous. When most Americans think of the Christian right, they think of scenes from television -- great halls full of perfectly groomed people in pale suits and light-colored dresses, smiling and happy and full of the Holy Spirit, robotically singing hymns at the behest of some squeaky-clean pastor with a baritone voice and impossible hair. We don't get to see the utterly batshit world they live in, when the cameras are turned off and their pastors are not afraid of saying the really dumb stuff, for fear of it turning up on CNN. In American evangelical Christianity, in other words, there's a ready-for-prime-time stage act -- toned down and lip-synced to match a set of PG lyrics that won't scare the advertisers -- and then there's the real party backstage, where the spiritual hair really gets let down. I was about to go backstage, to personally take part in the indoctrination process for a major Southern evangelical church. Waiting to board the bus for the Encounter Weekend, I had visions of some charismatic ranch-land Jesus, stoned on beer and the Caligula director's cut and too drunk late at night to chase after the minor children, hauling me into a barn for an in-the-hay shortcut to truth and freedom. Ridiculous, of course, but I really was afraid, mostly of my own ignorance and prejudices. I had never been to something like this before, and I didn't know how to act. I badly wanted to be invisible.

The bus was nearly full, and mostly quiet. Here and there a few people sitting together or near each other huddled and chatted, but I could see right away that a great many people on the trip had come alone, like me. They were people of all sorts: younger white men in neat middle-class haircuts, a matronly Mexican woman quietly reading a romance novel, a few scattered weather-beaten black folk in secondhand clothing whom I immediately pegged as in-recovery addicts, a couple of ten-alarm soccer moms who would prove the loudest people on the bus by far, a few quiet older men of military bearing.


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What Is Being Described Is A Cult
Posted by: NoPCZone on May 5, 2008 1:22 AM   
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This is not mainstream Christian practice, doctrine or belief. It is not, however uncommon.

Sadly, but in truth, a teaching of grace, mercy and peace has been corrupted by carnival barkers who do it for profit, self-aggrandizement and political reasons. Jesus warned his followers that people would come in with other teachings and private agendas and described them as wolves in sheep's clothing. I would offer that these are some of the very type of people he warned of.

What is truly sad is that so many seeking peace, love, grace, community and understanding to deal with their lives are used by these charlatans. They are burdened with fear, hatred and guilt and then sold a bill of goods like the snake oil of old.

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» MAINSTREAM? Posted by: soowee
» RE: MAINSTREAM? Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: A sucker born every minute Posted by: cwilsondrum
» ALL religions are cults Posted by: pete ess
» RE: ALL religions are cults Posted by: NoPCZone
SERIOUS PROBLEMS REQUIRE SERIOUS SOLUTIONS
Posted by: skizum on May 5, 2008 3:16 AM   
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People have some very basic psychological, physical, spiritual, intellectual and emotional needs that they feel compelled to fulfill. Our current (and past) societies have very rarely been able to fully satisfy the basic needs of the individual.

Simply stated, religion offers people the opportunity to fulfill some of these basic needs. These ultra hardcore religious experiences offer the fulfillment of these basic needs in dramatic fashion; thus greatly enhancing their emotional appeal in the search for identity, security, love and so forth.

The psychological techniques used to sway peoples beliefs are, indeed, very effective as we see this phenomenon continue to grow in popularity and influence. The question is, how do we effectively deal with this disconcerting trend?

It seems to me that there are 4 basic strategies which must be simultaneously employed in order to deal with this phenomenon before it's influence irreparably harms the prospects for creating a sustainable, peaceful and just world.

1) Prevention - People who are drawn to fanatical cults are those people who have no or very little hope of finding security and acceptance elsewhere. These are people who are experiencing varying degrees of desperation. We need to reduce the conditions which create desperation, locally and globally. Less desperate people = less desperate situations. What is it that each one of us can do in our daily lives to reduce or eliminate desperate conditions?

2) Alternatives - Wouldn't it make sense that if there were other organizations and resources that were as emotionally and spiritually engaging to desperate people as these cults are, then there is a chance that desperate populations could gravitate towards those as well? Where are these great organizations, concepts, events, activities and the like?

3) Understanding - One thing that we really could use is a basic set of rational and objective guidelines to what our most basic needs are as human beings and how these needs can be balanced to achieve a humane lifestyle. If we could decode the "human nature influenced by human nurture to determine human behavior" code, it might go a long way fix fixing a lot of the problems we have here on earth.

4) Fight the Power - The mechanisms of manipulation and domination take many forms. If you are not part of the solution then you are not part of fixing the problem. Its up to everyone who wants to see a better world to actively stand up for what they believe in, point out and speak up against those who seek to manipulate and dominate to their own egoistic ends. Repetition, repetition, repetition...

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» an excellent comment! Posted by: zooeyhall
» Great post Posted by: pete ess
» RE: Great post Posted by: Lauren
And I Suppose to Believe This Story
Posted by: vitajay85 on May 5, 2008 3:32 AM   
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...coming from an atheist, one who does not believe in God? Sounds like the author is trying to "discredit" John Hagee by going out on a "witch hunt".

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» Exactly Posted by: liberalibrarian
» RE: You bet your ass!! Posted by: cwilsondrum
Here they come
Posted by: LMNOP on May 5, 2008 3:43 AM   
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Already, two out of the first three responses are from people defending this crap. People, do yourselves a favor: stifle. We know what religion is and does even if you don't, and all of these apologetics are useless and pointless.

Let the games begin!

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» RE: Here they come Posted by: donl51
» Fundamentalist atheists... Posted by: buffeliscious
» No oxy qualifer Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: No oxy qualifer Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: No oxy qualifer Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: No oxy qualifer Posted by: buzzsaw
» RE: No oxy qualifer Posted by: john mont
» Let it be known Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Fundamentalist atheists... Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: Fundamentalist atheists... Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: Fundamentalist atheists... Posted by: pdxlinuxchix
» without reading all the posts Posted by: liberalibrarian
» Fundamentalist? Posted by: factbased
» RE: Fundamentalist? Posted by: Xynyx
» Thou must understandeth Posted by: pfeifer999
Remember, everyone
Posted by: kiel on May 5, 2008 5:06 AM   
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That Hagee supports W and McSame. He's clearly an extremist megalomaniac, yet the MSM won't scrutinize him the same way they've sliced and diced Rev. Wright. Why? I think we know...

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What about the food matt?
Posted by: wittler youth on May 5, 2008 5:04 AM   
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you totaley left out what they feed you and how many times..??lol..must of been better than dumpster fare..other wise i can see you doing a whole page just on that//..true seekers know who feeds the best..just follow the fat and feeble minded to find true fellow ship..

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» RE: What about the food matt? Posted by: VZEQICVA
I cast out the demon of incest!
Posted by: bitsfick on May 5, 2008 5:10 AM   
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He doesn't know his bible very well.

"One day the older daughter said to her sister, "There isn’t a man anywhere in this entire area for us to marry. And our father will soon be too old to have children. Come, let’s get him drunk with wine, and then we will sleep with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father." So that night they got him drunk, and the older daughter went in and slept with her father. He was unaware of her lying down or getting up again.
"The next morning the older daughter said to her younger sister, "I slept with our father last night. Let’s get him drunk with wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him. That way our family line will be preserved." So that night they got him drunk again, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. As before, he was unaware of her lying down or getting up again. So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father." (Genesis 19:23-25, 30-36 , NLT)

Why is this not condemned in the bible? Next question, where did all the wine come from?

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» RE: I cast out the demon of incest! Posted by: wolfgangmo75
» Rape More Likely Posted by: Arlene
What it Voltaire who said:
Posted by: Last Chance on May 5, 2008 5:19 AM   
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." ?

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» RE: To which Weinberg added... Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: To which Weinberg added... Posted by: HoboHomo
rough ride
Posted by: grmartin on May 5, 2008 5:24 AM   
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These indoctrinees all sound like sad victims of life, just to be re-victimized again at Jesus camp. Just reading about it scared me, thank God I had my green prayer cloth for support! Seriously, when large segments of the population are involved in this, we're talking about a serious problem.

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» Green prayer cloth? Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: Green prayer cloth? Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: Green prayer cloth? Posted by: liberalibrarian
» RE: Green prayer cloth? Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Green prayer cloth? Posted by: liberalibrarian
The Brain
Posted by: LeaderofMen on May 5, 2008 5:49 AM   
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Given that a large number of people seem to cling to mythology and beliefs instead of reality we really must consider this.

It's entirely possible that despite the fact that we can create things like nuclear power, can see into space to nearly the beginning of time, and know what an attosecond is, we're still in our infancy as a species.

We have marvels that religion could never even image because some of us are actually MORE EVOLVED than the rest. Evolution is not done with our species. Until we wrest ourselves out of our infancy (eg, the reliance on myths and superstition to guide us) we're going to continue to see things similar to this - and FAR worse - for the rest of human civilization.

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» RE: The Brain Posted by: Lauren
» You cannot attach a value Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: More Evolved Posted by: solrev
» RE: More Evolved Posted by: Lauren
» society Posted by: e rice
» RE: society Posted by: Lauren
» RE: The Brain Posted by: talkville
» RE: The Brain Posted by: Dboy
Holy shit!
Posted by: witchjug on May 5, 2008 6:26 AM   
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It is moments like this that galvanize my militant atheism.

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» RE: Holy shit! Posted by: donl51
» RE: Holy shit! Posted by: Xynyx
Sins worthy of attack
Posted by: loneswaneast on May 5, 2008 6:29 AM   
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Sounds like they are forgetting to focus on the sins most damaging to this country....greed and gluttony. Of course, they are the worst purveyors of both!

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» RE: Sins worthy of attack Posted by: donl51
A Curiosity and the Essential Question
Posted by: WaldoMaui on May 5, 2008 6:59 AM   
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It's curious that neither Fortenberry nor Hagee mentions Jesus.

If they truly do believe in the Prince of Peace, how did they turn him into Rambo?

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Mythology and Beliefs
Posted by: I.M. Hagar on May 5, 2008 7:07 AM   
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Mythologies are not the antithesis of reality--they are synthesized from experience.

Neurons firing in the brain do create elements of reality, but the firing of neurons can also be initiated by beliefs. Beliefs create reality in many ways, even scientific ones.

Healthy mythology helps humans enjoy a shared social reality. The mythology hawked by Hagee and his cohort denies the value of a shared human community and demonizes anyone outside its boundaries, but its appeal is that everyone is welcome to try it. Is the University this welcoming?

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» RE: Mythology and Beliefs Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Mythology and Beliefs Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Mythology and Beliefs Posted by: Lauren
THANKS TO THE AUTHOR FOR DOING HIS HOMEWORK
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 5, 2008 7:47 AM   
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It's time we had a good account of how these people are recruited and how easy it is to get hooked. This is not about going to church on Sunday, these people really do sell their souls and their minds and do exactly as they're told. Strange how all the blame is on parents, no matter what they're like. I wonder how much of it is true? Nobody questions anybody's story. Naive question: who foots the bill for these people? Thanks, ANNA

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» Anna's Questions Posted by: ohb0b
This cult needs some hallucinogens...
Posted by: mgloraine on May 5, 2008 7:54 AM   
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It's not surprising the author was unimpressed with the proceedings; it takes more than "continental breakfast" to precipitate some true-to-life power-puking and speaking in tongues!

Perhaps Matthew was in the men's room when the congregation passed the peyote platter...

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Politicians who follow Hagee Are a Clear & Present Danger to National Security!
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 5, 2008 8:38 AM   
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Hagee is a Cult leader who is far more dangerous then such sociopaths as Jim Jones. He has no intention of encouraging his followers to commit suicide- He expounds active annilation of the rest of the World, claiming his Members will Be 'Raptured'.
He has Policians who not only accept his doctrine, support it and Praise it and have th ability to bring his agenda to Fruition. both Hillary & Mac reveal their iniation into this 'Armegeddon' theology "100 yr War' "Obliterate Iran with Nukes' . Even Lieberamnn is willing to 'Convert' apparently to be one of the Chosen to survive once they Destroy the rest of mankind. And we thought he was only a traitor Politically.
These 'Public Servants' need to be ferreted out, exposed , and convicted - under th esame conditions as those currently being held in Gitmo (and any other secret Prisons around the World).
this is not merely insulting 'Preaching' this is Treason, and Crimes against Humanity doctines- with the political positons to make it happen.This is far more threatening to our (and the Worlds) Security then any other sect out theres today!
funny how I got kicked off the first time I tried to post this Comment, Concern- Terror! I Am Terrified by these Capable 'Relgious sociopaths' and so should every other human!

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David Sedaris has nothing on Matt Taibbi!
Posted by: Mango on May 5, 2008 8:38 AM   
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The horrifying truth about religious chicanery aside, this article was the most hilarious piece of investigative journalism I've ever read. And I read.

Embarrassingly, I have quite a bit of experience with religious zaniness (I live in Colorado Springs where acceptance of the nutty faithful is a residency requirement), and Matt is dead-on in his analysis of how people get sucked into such lunacy.

My joy would be complete if the truth wasn't scary as hell.

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Funniest thing I've ever seen on AlterNet
Posted by: war_on_tara on May 5, 2008 8:50 AM   
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And scary at the same time. A couple of years ago I thought Matt Taibbi was one of the most irritating writers around, but those hilarious descriptive phrases! No matter what the irritating subject matter I'm hooked. (A 12-step program for Taibbi addicts, anyone? - I hate, hate, hate his "Sports Blotter" column in the Boston Phoenix but need the humor fix.)

I'll make a point of reading this book. This demimonde is not completely unfamiliar to me (unfortunately!) and in this case, Taibbi's outsider status, sarcasm and hard work are probably just the right combination.

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Its very simple, really...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 5, 2008 9:04 AM   
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This is simply the brainwashing indoctrination techniques of cults worldwide being adopted by some branches of the Christian religion.

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Nice work Matt!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 5, 2008 9:22 AM   
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There's no substitute for actual personal firsthand experience of something like this - I look forward to your book, which I promise to buy - a modern retelling of "Heart of Darkness"? It will need a river. . . perhaps the Mississippi? The Sacramento? The Hudson?

You know, I considered doing the same thing with the 911 Truth Movement - but they pegged me as an outsider right away (I guess I shouldn't have started out with a discussion of false-flag PR operations and the modern uses of propaganda... gotta act like a true believer.)

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An Athiest Goes Undercover
Posted by: aonghus36 on May 5, 2008 9:38 AM   
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Yeah, I'm sure that would be objective. But, maybe it'll take people's mind off Rev. Wright.

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Hagee: A Traitor With A Following
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 5, 2008 9:51 AM   
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This article proves that born-agains are good for at least one thing: Laughs.

But much less amusing is the Rev Hagee himself.
Hagee wants to bring about the end of the world, preferably by convincing President John McCain to pre-emptively use NUCLEAR WEAPONS against Iran. (Just which army taking part in the Great Conflagration is on the side of Satan, again?) And with the end of the world, Right-Wing sadistic "patriots" should know that that means the end of the United States of America as well. And since McCain refuses to denounce Hagee, then what does that make John McCain?
Traitor.

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nvannes
Posted by: nvannes on May 5, 2008 10:02 AM   
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ALL religions, based on a biblical, Santa Claus God and on what somebody said or did or saw 3000 years ago, are fucked, exactly no more or less than any other. It's time for atheists to come out of the closet and start driving this point home, before these idiots take over our lives completely. We must not confuse respect for a person's "right to believe" any horseshit they want to with respect f