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The Supreme Court Brings Back the Death Penalty
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In a 7 to 2 ruling, it upheld lethal injection as currently carried out as constitutional, ending a de-facto moratorium on state-sanctioned murder.
Executions in the United States had been on hold since last September, when the court decided to take on the case of Baze v. Rees. At stake was the question of whether Kentucky's lethal injection protocol violated the Eighth Amendment prohibition of "cruel and unusual punishment." The three-drug killing technique or some version of it -- a paralytic, a barbiturate, and a dose of potassium chloride -- is used in 35 out of 36 death penalty states. (Nebraska, whose sole method of execution used to be electrocution, ruled the electric chair unconstitutional this past February.) As states froze their execution machinery to await the justices' ruling, not a single execution was carried out for seven months. Last-minute stays of execution aside, it was a glimpse into what the United States might look like without the death penalty.
Baze represented a critical development in death penalty litigation, the first time the court has considered a specific method of execution since it upheld the firing squad in 1878. Ever since the Supreme Court's last-minute intervention in the case of Florida death row prisoner Clarence Hill -- he was strapped onto a gurney with intravenous lines in his arms -- in January 2006, the stage had been set for a showdown on lethal injection. When the court ruled later that year that prisoners could appeal their death sentences based on the possibility that lethal injection is cruel and unusual, a wave of appeals swept the country.
Now, those prisoners have lost significant legal footing and with it, very possibly, the right to live. "While the opinion appeared to leave open a chance that some further challenges could be made to the use of lethal drugs under a specific procedure in another state," explained Lyle Denniston at SCOTUSblog, "... the opinion also appeared to mean that the three drugs now used in all of those jurisdictions do not, alone or in combination, fail the court's new standard."
In other words, the country's preferred execution method is now insulated by a legal precedent.
This is a serious blow to death penalty opponents who hoped that disabling the death machinery would lead to abolishing it. It is also, in many ways, the result of a frustrating failure of legal strategy. The attorneys who argued Baze did so on very narrow grounds, contending that Kentucky's lethal injection protocol is broken, but not beyond repair. "One needs a person trained in monitoring anesthetic death to participate in the process," defense attorney Donald Verrilli suggested, not only encouraging the controversial notion that medical professionals have a role in carrying out executions, but also encouraging the court to treat botched executions as an aberration; freak accidents that rarely occur. "The court has held that an isolated mishap alone does not violate the Eighth Amendment," wrote Chief Justice John Roberts in the decision. But states from California to Florida have had lethal injections go horribly wrong in recent years; with states often secretive about their execution procedures -- and many not keeping data on file about them -- how "isolated" these incidents are is largely unknown.
Lethal injection is often described as a "three-drug cocktail." The first drug is the barbiturate sodium thiopental; the second, a paralytic called pancuronium bromide; and the third, potassium chloride, which stops the heart. The technique has been favored by death penalty supporters who find appeal in its medical veneer. In theory, if the drugs are administered correctly, the victim will die quickly and painlessly. But in reality, executioners, contrary to the assumption of many, usually have little or no medical training. If they wrongly administer the first drug, the result can be grisly.
Take the case of Joseph A. Clark, a death row prisoner in Ohio. On the day of his execution in May 2006, it took the execution team 22 minutes to find a vein -- a not uncommon problem. Shortly after the catheter was finally inserted, Clark's vein collapsed and his arm began to swell, at which point, he lifted his head. "He said 'It don't work, it don't work, it don't work, it ain't working,' about five times," one witness later described. At that point, the gurney was concealed by curtains. Thirty minutes later, there was "moaning, crying out and guttural noises." An hour and a half after the start of the execution, Clark was dead.
Then there are instances where the paralytic drug can make it impossible to tell if something has gone wrong. Since a paralyzed prisoner cannot cry out or move if in pain, clues that he or she suffered only come with the autopsy. In the case of Florida prisoner Angel Diaz in December 2006, he started to move following the first drug, "squinting and grimacing as he tried to mouth words," according to the Death Penalty Information Center. "A second dose was then administered, and 34 minutes passed before Diaz was declared dead. At first a spokesperson for the Florida Department of Corrections claimed that this was because Diaz had some sort of liver disease. After performing an autopsy, the medical examiner, Dr. William Hamilton, stated that Diaz's liver was undamaged but that the needle had gone through Diaz's vein and out the other side, so the deadly chemicals were injected into soft tissue, rather than the vein." Angel Diaz was quite literally tortured to death.
The cruel irony is that the paralyzing agent is totally pointless; serving no purpose aside from masking the effects of the lethal chemicals on a prisoner's body. In fact, veterinarians long ago decided not to use it for the that very reason. But death row prisoners, despite being human beings, do not inspire the humane treatment that animals do -- and twisted logic is offered to keep the paralyzing drug in place. "The purpose it serves," argued Roy Englert, the attorney representing Kentucky before the court, "is the purpose of dignifying the process for the benefit of the inmate and for the benefit of the witnesses." In reality, it is used to "dignify the process" for the benefit of the state. It makes murder look a little less murderous.
For legal experts, the Baze decision is not a major surprise and in fact, contains some interesting language about the future of death penalty litigation. ''I am now convinced that this case will generate debate not only about the constitutionality of the three-drug protocol, and specifically about the justification for the use of the paralytic agent, pancuronium bromide, but also about the justification for the death penalty itself,'' wrote Justice Stevens. The variety of opinions expressed by the justices -- a "plurality" in legal terms -- in the rather glib interpretation of one expert blogger, "provides a little something for everyone." Unfortunately, for prisoners granted a temporary reprieve by the seven-month-long de facto moratorium, what the decision provides is death.
As they have since the return of the American death penalty in 1976, defense attorneys will find new legal arguments to try to spare their clients' lives. But how many prisoners will die before another opportunity arrives like the one presented by Baze? How many of them are on death row because they are poor or black? How many of them are innocent?
As Marlene Martin, executive director of the Campaign to End the Death Penalty says, "I think of people like Troy Davis, Rodney Reed and Timothy McKinney -- all on death row, all African-American, all poor and almost all surely innocent. What does this decision mean for them and the countless others like them?" As executions resume in a country with more than 3,000 people on death row -- whose names are unknown to the vast majority of Americans -- it is a question not enough people are willing to ask.
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 17, 2008 12:57 AM
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» But if we had direct democracy, they'd vote for the death penalty
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Posted by: saltoafronteira on Apr 17, 2008 2:27 AM
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What happens when your justices, specially the top ones, are bin laden's brothers in arms and, for a long time now, coup d'état perpetrators ?
What happens when your executive branch is internationally qualified as "war criminals" wich they indeed are, besides being political gangsters towards their own people ?
What happens when the legislative branch stands aside and looks the other way, while all that occurs ?
What happens when they all destroy the constituion and betray the people, in order to serve their own interests and their master's voice (the economical and financial barons) ?
What happens when the new executive branch to come, whoever they will be, republican or democrat, are either unwilling or unable (or both) to change that state of things?
What happens when the institutions are financially broke and rightfully discredited, the economic tissue is either destroyed or emigrated, and the people's on the verge of a financial and moral breakdown ?
What happens when you're engaged in an imperial adventure from wich you cannot go away in one day, not even in one year, and, at the same time, you no longer have resources to maintain?
What happens when the economical sistem you yourselves created, exported, and raised to the moral level of a teology - free market teology-, no longer is seen as a solution for the problems, but the problem itself as it always has been)?
What happens when, due to that, the remaining heart of american assets is being sold for the price of almost nothing, to foreign trusts, thus dislocating the decision and wealth creating centers to new places?
What happens when, due to that, american independence and influence will depend only on its military might wich, by the way, will depend on external financing?
What happens when, due to all that, and to the fact that there's no FDR in the horizon (I am yet to be convinced that Obama is one), the selfishly innept forces that created all the mess, are submerging the country in fascism and decline in order to keep power (the same powers that created the mess in 1929 but where kept away from fascist raising by FDR) ?
What happens if those forces, in a frontway suicidal run, head for another war, probably nuclear, and therefore, to disaster?
What happens in your hearts and minds when you, as a people, realise all that ?
I am not american, but I would like to know...
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 17, 2008 2:36 AM
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Maybe, just maybe when the crimes of the Bush administration are laid out for the world to behold, we might start to rethink our position with regard to capitol punishment. A president who would manufacture a war - the result of which was the deaths of hundreds of thousands of men, women and little children - in order to plunder the oil reserves of a sovereign nation - well, hell's bells! Call me crazy but given the current standards, that leader (and more than a few of his underlings) would be a prime candidate for the needle, whouldn't he? Maybe that would be the begining of a serious reassessment of the death penalty - CALLING FOR THE EXECUTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH AND DEAD-EYE DICK CHENEY!
So let us start doing just that. Let's demand that these two miserable pieces of shit pay with their lives for the misery and blood shed they have unleashed against the rest of the world. If enough people start to advocate it, the death penalty would be abolished in no time at all. So just say it:
"George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney must die by lethal injection for their crimes against humanity."
There. That wasn't so hard was it?
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: carbon-based on Apr 17, 2008 6:20 AM
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I feel more for the untrained prison officials who have to suffer through and live with this process after they botch it. If we are going to have a death penalty we do need to have trained medical professionals, not doctors but even EMT type of training, to ensure the process is done correctly and those administering the injections at least do not suffer from feeling they have tortured someone!
While I'm not sure the death penalty reduces horrible crimes, it serves no purpose to have these people live a comfortable life with all the trimmings, education etc. behind bars!
One has to ask themselves, are we more concerned about how the criminal feels or how we feel as a society.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on Apr 17, 2008 8:01 AM
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The revenge factor appeals to a lot of people, but there's that problem of the occasional conviction of the innocent. And as a poster writes above, life imprisonment can actually be cheaper for the state.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 17, 2008 8:45 AM
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Well you can't blame me for trying.
Cheers!
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Posted by: Quannah on Apr 17, 2008 8:45 AM
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Ah... hypocrisy! The gift that keeps on giving!
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Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Apr 17, 2008 10:23 AM
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"Cruel", well, vast swaths of our judiciary and correctional systems are cruel. Thus it is not that a judicial practice or sentence is cruel, punishment can be seen as synonomous with cruelty: but whether our cruel punishments are unusual compared to the practices of other courts in other nations. By this fair standard, our death penalties without a doubt are unusual, and therefore illegal, and have been illegal, by this definition of law.
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Posted by: Betty1950 on Apr 17, 2008 10:32 AM
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I hear people talking about how the person was "tortured" while being executed. What about the victims of the person being executed? Did they not suffer when they were being murdered?
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Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Apr 17, 2008 1:05 PM
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That being said, if our big preoccupation is being as merciful and painless about it as possible, then why don't we do that? I'm not convinced for a moment that our current procedure of lethal injection is painless or humane. I think we are more concerned about giving the witnesses a feeling of humanity than we are about the pain involved, as shown by our use of a drug that disables movement of the person who is being killed. The use of that drug is just plain sick in my opinion! So, we don't want to know if something has gone horribly wrong?!? What the hell???
I think the most humane way to execute somebody, at least the method I would request if I were given a choice in my execution method would be to strap three or more sticks of dynamite around my head and set them all off at once. I guarantee I would feel no pain, instant lights out! Seriously, if we are going to kill people and must do it humanely according to our constitution, then let's do it my way.
Or are we more concerned with leaving a mess than being humane?
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Posted by: aamer923 on Apr 17, 2008 1:57 PM
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Posted by: wireup on Apr 17, 2008 2:30 PM
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What kind of people are these Supreme Court "Justices"? Some JUSTICE. They don't know the MEANING of the word. And they call themselves christians? I'm an atheist myself but if this is what it means to be christian, then you can shove it in the garbage along with everything else these people claim to believe.
Have these people no shame? How can they live with themselves knowing that their lives are based on lies?
We are one of the last so-called "civilized" (and THAT is debatable!) countries that still uses capital punishment.
Have we no shame?
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Posted by: drricklippin on Apr 17, 2008 2:41 PM
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I am truly ill from this hypocrisy.
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 17, 2008 6:08 PM
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Lost in that convoluted morality is a sense of justice. Not lost to me after being raised in the South (TX, LA, FL) is the real reason behind the obvious contradiction. God forbid white evangelical teenaged daughters having babies fathered by black men who may or may not be rapists.
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Posted by: mebadgett2 on Apr 17, 2008 11:57 PM
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God Damns America!
Who would Jesus execute?
Reminder:
Congressional Overhaul Begins November 4, 2008!
Can I write in Pastor Jeremiah Wright for Congress?
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Posted by: chuckjs on Apr 18, 2008 4:46 AM
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Carbon-based mentions that those on death row have it better than their victims, in one of his comments. But what about the ones who, are there now and innocent. Will they get a chance to be exonerated before their execution?
All I hear is a propensity for revenge and not justice. Because if you were actually interested in Justice you would talk like you have the faulty leagl system you do.
Just look at the current scandal in the DOJ. I don't think you need any more evidence than that to strike down the death penalty.
ANYONE who takes a life, without an impending and imminent threat to their own life, is nothing but a 2-bit murderer. And anyone who supports such a flawed system is terribly misguided!
But I guess I shouldn't be suprised that a citizenry, that for 60 years celebrated the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians by nuclear bomb, would have any problem with putting it's own innocent people to death? And you people have the gall to talk about China, Saudi Arabia and all those other backwards countries. HA!
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Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Apr 18, 2008 8:30 AM
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Irony is a polite word for the devil
You can shaktie on forgiveness.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Apr 23, 2008 3:19 PM
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The Supremes gave the green light to resume capital punishment, especially by lethla injection. That sounds awfully gruesome and inhumane when in years past criminals were hanged, shot or barbecued in a chair.
I'm afraid that, by the Court's blessing, barbarism will be a permanent fixture on the American justice system. And we're about to lose the other eye to which we cannot see what we're doing.
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Posted by: Dianka on Apr 29, 2008 3:52 PM
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there is one way to ensure that the death penalty is not mis-applied. Grst, there must be at least a 5-year period between the date of conviction and of execution, with measures enacted to ensure that the convict has every opportunity to secure records, witnesses, etc., that might clear his name. Should it be discovered that someone on death row was wrongly convicted, both the jury and judge that convicted the him, and the lawyer(s) that presented the skewed evidence resulting in conviction, must serve at least 10 years in prison.
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Posted by: saltoafronteira on Apr 17, 2008 2:27 AM
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What happens when your justices, specially the top ones, are bin laden's brothers in arms and, for a long time now, coup d'état perpetrators ?
What happens when your executive branch is internationally qualified as "war criminals" wich they indeed are, besides being political gangsters towards their own people ?
What happens when the legislative branch stands aside and looks the other way, while all that occurs ?
What happens when they all destroy the constituion and betray the people, in order to serve their own interests and their master's voice (the economical and financial barons) ?
What happens when the new executive branch to come, whoever they will be, republican or democrat, are either unwilling or unable (or both) to change that state of things?
What happens when the institutions are financially broke and rightfully discredited, the economic tissue is either destroyed or emigrated, and the people's on the verge of a financial and moral breakdown ?
What happens when you're engaged in an imperial adventure from wich you cannot go away in one day, not even in one year, and, at the same time, you no longer have resources to maintain?
What happens when the economical sistem you yourselves created, exported, and raised to the moral level of a teology - free market teology-, no longer is seen as a solution for the problems, but the problem itself as it always has been)?
What happens when, due to that, the remaining heart of american assets is being sold for the price of almost nothing, to foreign trusts, thus dislocating the decision and wealth creating centers to new places?
What happens when, due to that, american independence and influence will depend only on its military might wich, by the way, will depend on external financing?
What happens when, due to all that, and to the fact that there's no FDR in the horizon (I am yet to be convinced that Obama is one), the selfishly innept forces that created all the mess, are submerging the country in fascism and decline in order to keep power (the same powers that created the mess in 1929 but where kept away from fascist raising by FDR) ?
What happens if those forces, in a frontway suicidal run, head for another war, probably nuclear, and therefore, to disaster?
What happens in your hearts and minds when you, as a people, realise all that ?
I am not american, but I would like to know...
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 17, 2008 2:36 AM
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Maybe, just maybe when the crimes of the Bush administration are laid out for the world to behold, we might start to rethink our position with regard to capitol punishment. A president who would manufacture a war - the result of which was the deaths of hundreds of thousands of men, women and little children - in order to plunder the oil reserves of a sovereign nation - well, hell's bells! Call me crazy but given the current standards, that leader (and more than a few of his underlings) would be a prime candidate for the needle, whouldn't he? Maybe that would be the begining of a serious reassessment of the death penalty - CALLING FOR THE EXECUTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH AND DEAD-EYE DICK CHENEY!
So let us start doing just that. Let's demand that these two miserable pieces of shit pay with their lives for the misery and blood shed they have unleashed against the rest of the world. If enough people start to advocate it, the death penalty would be abolished in no time at all. So just say it:
"George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney must die by lethal injection for their crimes against humanity."
There. That wasn't so hard was it?
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: carbon-based on Apr 17, 2008 6:20 AM
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I feel more for the untrained prison officials who have to suffer through and live with this process after they botch it. If we are going to have a death penalty we do need to have trained medical professionals, not doctors but even EMT type of training, to ensure the process is done correctly and those administering the injections at least do not suffer from feeling they have tortured someone!
While I'm not sure the death penalty reduces horrible crimes, it serves no purpose to have these people live a comfortable life with all the trimmings, education etc. behind bars!
One has to ask themselves, are we more concerned about how the criminal feels or how we feel as a society.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on Apr 17, 2008 8:01 AM
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The revenge factor appeals to a lot of people, but there's that problem of the occasional conviction of the innocent. And as a poster writes above, life imprisonment can actually be cheaper for the state.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 17, 2008 8:45 AM
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Well you can't blame me for trying.
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Ah... hypocrisy! The gift that keeps on giving!
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Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Apr 17, 2008 10:23 AM
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"Cruel", well, vast swaths of our judiciary and correctional systems are cruel. Thus it is not that a judicial practice or sentence is cruel, punishment can be seen as synonomous with cruelty: but whether our cruel punishments are unusual compared to the practices of other courts in other nations. By this fair standard, our death penalties without a doubt are unusual, and therefore illegal, and have been illegal, by this definition of law.
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I hear people talking about how the person was "tortured" while being executed. What about the victims of the person being executed? Did they not suffer when they were being murdered?
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That being said, if our big preoccupation is being as merciful and painless about it as possible, then why don't we do that? I'm not convinced for a moment that our current procedure of lethal injection is painless or humane. I think we are more concerned about giving the witnesses a feeling of humanity than we are about the pain involved, as shown by our use of a drug that disables movement of the person who is being killed. The use of that drug is just plain sick in my opinion! So, we don't want to know if something has gone horribly wrong?!? What the hell???
I think the most humane way to execute somebody, at least the method I would request if I were given a choice in my execution method would be to strap three or more sticks of dynamite around my head and set them all off at once. I guarantee I would feel no pain, instant lights out! Seriously, if we are going to kill people and must do it humanely according to our constitution, then let's do it my way.
Or are we more concerned with leaving a mess than being humane?
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Posted by: wireup on Apr 17, 2008 2:30 PM
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What kind of people are these Supreme Court "Justices"? Some JUSTICE. They don't know the MEANING of the word. And they call themselves christians? I'm an atheist myself but if this is what it means to be christian, then you can shove it in the garbage along with everything else these people claim to believe.
Have these people no shame? How can they live with themselves knowing that their lives are based on lies?
We are one of the last so-called "civilized" (and THAT is debatable!) countries that still uses capital punishment.
Have we no shame?
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I am truly ill from this hypocrisy.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 17, 2008 6:08 PM
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Lost in that convoluted morality is a sense of justice. Not lost to me after being raised in the South (TX, LA, FL) is the real reason behind the obvious contradiction. God forbid white evangelical teenaged daughters having babies fathered by black men who may or may not be rapists.
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Posted by: mebadgett2 on Apr 17, 2008 11:57 PM
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God Damns America!
Who would Jesus execute?
Reminder:
Congressional Overhaul Begins November 4, 2008!
Can I write in Pastor Jeremiah Wright for Congress?
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Posted by: chuckjs on Apr 18, 2008 4:46 AM
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Carbon-based mentions that those on death row have it better than their victims, in one of his comments. But what about the ones who, are there now and innocent. Will they get a chance to be exonerated before their execution?
All I hear is a propensity for revenge and not justice. Because if you were actually interested in Justice you would talk like you have the faulty leagl system you do.
Just look at the current scandal in the DOJ. I don't think you need any more evidence than that to strike down the death penalty.
ANYONE who takes a life, without an impending and imminent threat to their own life, is nothing but a 2-bit murderer. And anyone who supports such a flawed system is terribly misguided!
But I guess I shouldn't be suprised that a citizenry, that for 60 years celebrated the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians by nuclear bomb, would have any problem with putting it's own innocent people to death? And you people have the gall to talk about China, Saudi Arabia and all those other backwards countries. HA!
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Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Apr 18, 2008 8:30 AM
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Irony is a polite word for the devil
You can shaktie on forgiveness.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Apr 23, 2008 3:19 PM
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The Supremes gave the green light to resume capital punishment, especially by lethla injection. That sounds awfully gruesome and inhumane when in years past criminals were hanged, shot or barbecued in a chair.
I'm afraid that, by the Court's blessing, barbarism will be a permanent fixture on the American justice system. And we're about to lose the other eye to which we cannot see what we're doing.
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Posted by: Dianka on Apr 29, 2008 3:52 PM
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there is one way to ensure that the death penalty is not mis-applied. Grst, there must be at least a 5-year period between the date of conviction and of execution, with measures enacted to ensure that the convict has every opportunity to secure records, witnesses, etc., that might clear his name. Should it be discovered that someone on death row was wrongly convicted, both the jury and judge that convicted the him, and the lawyer(s) that presented the skewed evidence resulting in conviction, must serve at least 10 years in prison.
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