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The Torture Drawings the Pentagon Doesn't Want You to See

By Andy Worthington, AlterNet. Posted April 11, 2008.


Drawings by journalist Sami Al-Haj depicting torture at Gitmo have been censored.
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Sami al-Haj is a journalist, but one unlike any other. For over six years since December 15, 2001 -- when he was seized by Pakistani soldiers on the Afghan border while on assignment as a cameraman for the Qatar-based broadcaster al-Jazeera -- he has been in a disturbing but unique position: a trained journalist held as an "enemy combatant" on the frontline of the Bush administration's "War on Terror," first in Afghanistan, and then in Guantánamo.

The outline of Sami's story should be familiar to readers; last summer AlterNet published a detailed article by Rachel Morris: "Prisoner 345: An Arab Journalist's Five Years in Guantánamo," which made clear how Sami was seized because of the erroneous claim that he had interviewed Osama bin Laden, and the disturbing fact that his many interrogations in Guantánamo have focused solely on the administration's attempts to turn him into an informant against al-Jazeera, to "prove" a connection between the broadcaster and Osama bin Laden that does not exist. As his lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith of the legal action charity Reprieve, noted bluntly and accurately in his book Eight O'Clock Ferry to the Windward Side: Seeking Justice in Guantánamo Bay, "Sami was a prisoner in the Bush Administration's assault on al-Jazeera."

Less well known is Sami's frontline reportage from within Guantánamo. Stafford Smith recalls that when he asked Sami for information, he "would assemble important facts on almost any topic in the prison relying on the incredible prisoner bush telegraph." These have included reports on the religious abuse -- primarily of the Qu'ran -- that preceded a series of hunger strikes and suicide attempts, and a pioneering assessment of the number of prisoners who were under 18 at the time of their capture.

Since January 7, 2007 (the fifth anniversary of his detention without trial by the US), Sami has been on a hunger strike. Although he is strapped into a restraint chair twice a day and force-fed against his will and despite the fact that he is "very thin" and "[h]is memory is disintegrating," according to Stafford Smith, Sami continues to seek ways to publicize the plight of his fellow prisoners. During the most recent visit from his lawyers in February -- with Cori Crider of Reprieve -- he produced a number of morbid, and almost hallucinatory sketches illustrating his take on conditions in Guantánamo, which he described as "Sketches of My Nightmare."

Fearing that they would be banned by the military censors, Crider asked him to describe each sketch in detail and when, as anticipated, the pictures were duly banned but the notes cleared, Reprieve asked political cartoonist Lewis Peake to create original works based on Sami's descriptions.

"The first sketch is just a skeleton in the torture chair," Sami explained. "My picture reflects my nightmares of what I must look like, with my head double-strapped down, a tube in my nose, a black mask over my mouth, strapped into the torture chair with no eyes and only giant cheekbones, my teeth jutting out -- my ribs showing in every detail, every rib, every joint. The tube goes up to a bag at the top of the drawing. On the right there is another skeleton sitting shackled to another chair. They are sitting like we do in interrogations, with hands shackled, feet shackled to the floor, just waiting. In between I draw the flag of Guantánamo -- JTF-GTMO -- but instead of the normal insignia, there is a skull and crossbones, the real symbol of what is happening here."

In recently declassified testimony, Sami described more of his recent experiences of the force-feeding process:


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Andy Worthington is a writer and historian, and author of The Guantánamo Files.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 11, 2008 12:17 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Pursue the Bush administration beyond January 20 until they are brought to justice.

Direct Democracy

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» That's right! Posted by: ikonoklast
» Try, convict, hang... Posted by: thekidde
Anyone who reads this....
Posted by: Obijuan on Apr 11, 2008 1:50 AM   
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Anyone who reads this article and still is even remotely happy to American should be in Gitmo themselves. I am almost sick.

The world as a whole should break off all diplomatic and economic relations with America, and immediately begin international court proceeds.

Soldiers, stop fighting this war. Stop assisting in these war crimes. You are above this. Yours is a calling involving honor and dignity, despite what they have made you become.

We all need to cry out in rage.

obi

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» Hmmmmm. Posted by: Fencerider
» RE: Hmmmmm. Posted by: josephq
» Got Paranoia? Posted by: Fencerider
I want to cry
Posted by: andrushka on Apr 11, 2008 3:46 AM   
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and vomit. This bunch of criminals and the White House have turned jailers in Gitmo into other senseless murderous pigs Arrest the whole lot PLEASE. And serve them the very same treatment. What else... I am lost for words....

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» RE: NO! Posted by: boydranchitos
» RE: NO! Posted by: Spot
Illigit
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 11, 2008 4:10 AM   
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When an absent minded Congress grants WAR powers to an Illigit Commander in Chief who surrenders his Illigit WAR to a corrupt General and an Ambassador who vows to keep combat fatigued military personnel on an indefinite SUICIDE MISSION it is time for said military personnel to take command and end the "hazing gone bad."

It came to that in Vietnam.

Get this message to all Active Duty, Guard and Reserve members you know and tell them and family and friends to broadcast it.

FREE YOURSELF!!!

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An army of one.
Posted by: colinmeister on Apr 11, 2008 4:29 AM   
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I'm sure this story makes the people who have the "Support our troops" stickers on their cars really proud. Why would anybody support sadistic barbarians like the ones who are guards at Gitmo?

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» RE: An army of one. Posted by: rinthy
» RE: An army of one. Posted by: fearn
Where is the International Court of justice?
Posted by: Soaring on Apr 11, 2008 4:32 AM   
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All the americam people should know what is being done in that hell hole called Guantanamo.
I hope one day, all those criminal torturers, will be taken to face charges as criminal and the excuse " I was following orders" as the Nuremberg criminals said, (but that being not an excuse), will be hunged by the neck as the other were.
aussy2 from Spain

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One day this war will end
Posted by: MikeOckhurtz on Apr 11, 2008 6:26 AM   
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America is a sick and diseased society.

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Pictures?
Posted by: flypegasi on Apr 11, 2008 6:38 AM   
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Where are the pics?

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» RE: Pictures? Posted by: EJLima
waiting for posts by some Brownshirt trolls to defend Bush mafia again
Posted by: PakiBoy on Apr 11, 2008 6:52 AM   
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Looking forward to hearing from the trolls...

And how should we judge the 62% of the white male voters to again voted for Bush mafia in 2004?

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The irony of Americans protesting Chinese treatment of Tibetans
Posted by: PakiBoy on Apr 11, 2008 6:55 AM   
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while their government kills 1.2 million Iraqis and creates over 4 million refugees isn't lost on the world.

Fu*king morally bankrupt savages...

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War crimes
Posted by: arthur_ide on Apr 11, 2008 7:04 AM   
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For years I have argued that Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gates, and Pretareus be delivered to the World Court to stand trial for crimes against humanity, and when found guilty, be executed on worldwide public television. They are no better, and certainly equal to the goon that supported Adolf Hitler and his SS. The Nuerenberg trials detailed the offences and ruled that no one was above the law and that the excuse "I was just following orders" and "I was merely an adviser" does not remove culpability of crimes against humanity. The first who should be executed is Condi Rice for advising Bush to pursue his immoral and bloody war in Iraq, followed by Colin Powell who lied about the war to the UN and the American people, and commissioned the wholesale slaughter of civilians.

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» RE: War crimes Posted by: EJLima
» RE: War crimes Posted by: lantana7
The American Way
Posted by: raywigton on Apr 11, 2008 7:20 AM   
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I’m speechless. A proud veteran, a proud American; living in my own fantasyland of the American Dream. A land of "truth, justice and the American way. That’s what "Superman" taught us as kids. Just what is the American way?

Some years ago I read an accusation that George Bush tortured small animals as a kid. I didn’t think much about it at the time.

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The Lesser of Evils
Posted by: JohnJlws on Apr 11, 2008 7:54 AM   
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You know I've always thought when someone has said "it's a choice between the lesser of two evils" that we, Americans, weren't choosing between Hitler and Stalin. Some of our leaders made some stupid mistakes like Nixon and Clinton pretty much destroyed their legacies through personal ego-centered excess, and Carter was pretty ineffective, and Bush, Sr. was pretty non-existent, but "evil" I always thought was a stretch.

I was so wrong. These guys in charge are evil and war criminals and need to be charged and tried by an international tribunal. My opinion is not based solely on this damning article, but on the mounting evidence that this administration isn't incompetent or stupid, but simply evil.

And, now, this November are we selecting from the lesser of two evils? Possibly. If it's Clinton vs. McCain, the best choice is hands down Clinton. McCain is poured from the same mold as the current fiasco. If it's Obama vs. McCain, which I'm personally hoping it is, the best choice is easily Obama.

McCain understands, from personal experience, torture, but his party and their other leadership do not. And, he's parroting much of what the current criminals are saying and doing. And, I simply do not trust a party that has lied and lied and lied for at least the last 8 years (part of my problem also with the Clintons; they don’t “stretch the truth” or “embellish,” which all politicians tend to do, they lie, be it about blow jobs or snipers--sorry, too, to all her ardent supporters, but this is an accurate assessment).

Obama, for all his shortcomings, and they are numerous, is a Constitutional scholar and understands the core problem we have whenever we ignore the tenets of our Democracy. He’s a visionary futurist and has some real potential the others do not as their paradigms are carved by their vast experience and are not malleable. So, I don't believe the choice is the "lesser of two evils" this November, but I know one of the choices comes from the party of this current tragic evil and he therefore comes a great deal closer than either of the democrats, and I simply cannot and will not vote for anyone running under this blood-soaked, anti-American, banner--it's current incantation is evil.

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The Elders say its too late!
Posted by: The Big Raven on Apr 11, 2008 8:11 AM   
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Lets hope thier wrong but I really do not think so america is a vermon living off the fat of others and still propping this empire up sick.

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torture
Posted by: pfm on Apr 11, 2008 8:41 AM   
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With the passing of each day it becomes easier and easier to comprehend how the German people under the Nazi and Hitler became more submissive, docile, unconcerned, obedient in a manner similar to the ostrich position "we" in America take not only about Iraq, torture, but all aspects of our fragile singular earth ecosystem which supports each and every one of us. "We" are choosing to live without honor.

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» What you mean "we" White man? Posted by: common intelligence
Only cowards approve torture.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 11, 2008 9:59 AM   
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Here's why. Cowards think torture works because they would be the first ones to give into it. Noncombatant bottom-feeders like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Condi Rice. One drop of water up their noses and they'd squeal like stuck pigs.

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WHERE HAVE ALL THE SOLDIERS GONE?
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 11, 2008 10:44 AM   
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The following is part of a response to a Right Wing "Christian" attack on my patriotism.

When an absent minded Congress grants WAR powers to an Illegit Commander in Chief who surrenders his Illegit WAR to a corrupt General and an Ambassador who vows to keep combat fatigued military personnel on an indefinite SUICIDE MISSION it is time for said military personnel to take command and end the "hazing gone bad." It came to that in Vietnam.

Get this message out to all Active Duty, Guard and Reserve members you know and tell them and family and friends to broadcast it.

FREE YOURSELF!!!

My mother's oldest brother died during World War II and her youngest brother was drafted and served two years in the US Army during the time of the Korean War. I served 6 years during America's illegal involvent in Vietnam. Two of my younger brothers are Army veterans. One is now a Lawyer and the other is mentally screwed up. A neice has served on active duty and in the US. Army Reserve. Numerous cousins, classmates and neighbors share simular history - some dead and some still alive. My 27 year old son participated in the initial invasion of Iraq in March 2003. He no longer takes orders from this criminal military chain of command. effective June, 2003.

As a US. Army Special Operations Infantry Paratrooper with the 101st Airborne Division under the command of General William C. Westmoreland I know a bit about United States Foreign Policy, Military Operations and the use of "Propaganda" as a "Command and Control' mechanism.

A word to the wise: During times of war, civilians desring to know what is happening in theatre should accept as truth NOTHING that comes to you from the United States Department of Defense. (The DOD trained me)

Example from Vietnam: The My Lai Massacre.
A horrible holocaust where more than 500 unarmed, Old men, Women, Children and Babies were savagely murdered one morning. They were at home and were destroyed simply because they were there. Their homes were burned, their animals were killed and human bodies were thrown in their well to pollute their water. All in the name of the USA.
Major Colin Powell covered it all up. Guys like Powell got rapid promotion in "this man's army", but an old lady told me, "son, only what you do for Christ will last."
Second LT. William Calley, the only convicted My Lai murderer, spent only 4 months in semi confinement with unrestricted visits from his girlfriend because Richard M. Nixon let him go. Several of the soldiers involved commited suicide later.
Some of the old homeless people on your city's streets used to be fine young military guys and girls.
My Lai was 1968.

2008 - Iraq is worse.

You were told in 2003 we were doing God's will by liberating the Iraqi people from a terrible Dictator; Saddam Hussein. You were told he killed his own people with poison gas. You were NOT told that we (the US. Govt.) sold Mr. Hussein the poison Gas, and then increased our foreign aid to him by 3 Billion Dollar$ after he killed his people. Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush did that. The terrible Dictator was our terrible Dictator. Donald Rumsfeld can be seen shaking Saddam's hand in a 1984 photograph.

Take photographs and video of Iraq today. It was not in this destroyed condition when the "terrible Dictator" was in charge. There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq until Cheney/Bush showed up in Iraq. Saddam kept them out. Five plus years after liberating the Iraqi people and murdering our "terrible dictator" why have more than four thousand Americans died and 50,000 suffered life long wounds while killing, wounding and displacing millions of the people we liberated 5 years ago? Why did we stay after getting rid of Saddam? Why are we fighting our liberated Iraqis? Somebody is lying to somebody.
(Cont'd below.)

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WHERE HAVE ALL THE SOLDIERS GONE?
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 11, 2008 10:50 AM   
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Our Armed Forces are not in the Middle East as God's goodwill ambassadors.
Forget the so called Main Stream Media won't show the good stuff Lie. There is no good to be shown. The Main Stream Media is reporting exactly what the White House, Pentagon, and DOD tell them to report .
If all of this good stuff is happening why wouldn't the anti-gay, anti abortion, REPUBLICAN, Government report it? Where are the photos and the videos? Where are the interviews with the happy Iraqi people? We own the country. We have installed a puppet government in Iraq. We can report and show every inch of that place and every one of the people who are still there. Why don't they show us. Why aren't we demanding to see with our own eyes what our tax dollars have bought and paid for. Do you have any idea how much money 3 Trillion Dollars is?
Where are the Videos of Iraqi people asking us to come and liberate them from their/our terrible, brutal dictator, Mr. Saddam? There are none, because we went uninvited just like we went into VIETNAM in 1954 after the Vietnamese people ran the French out. You were lied to about that too. The DOD gives you an official date of 1964 to 1973 for our involvement in Vietnam. Another LIE.
You have also not been told that Richard Nixon's staying the course in Vietnam caused the Killing Fields of Cambodia. But it's not your fault. How could you know? you've been programed to believe what the Government tells the MSM to program you to believe. Get it?
2008 Truth: Our Army has been wrecked. We are out of troops. Military families are torn up by divorce and financial ruin. Soldier SUICIDIES are at record levels . More than 120 in the past 12 months and rising. Rapes are rampant. Under REPUBLICAN RULE "Fascism" is replacing our Democratic Republic. PNAC. (google Henry Luce.) Read his 1941 Life magazine editorial; "The American Century." Read General Smedley Butler. "War Is A Racket." Read, Read, Read. Get out of your house, Church and neighborhood more. Interact with and talk to people you fear and hate. Listen to what they have to say. Think about it and allow yourself to F_E_E_L. It will be ok if you cry....or laugh out loud at yourself or at your mother.
Under REPUBLICAN RULE "Fascism" is replacing our Democratic Republic.
"Who really cares?" Marvin Gaye. "What's Going On?"
Ladies and gentlemen, the same Brainwashed Right Wing Politicians and Preachers who tricked you into voting for so called "born again" WAR MONGERS are at it again.
This time fueled by the adrenaline of White Racism they are breathing harder and their heart rate is increased because the are totally convinced that it is God's Holy and Divine Will to Keep a Black Man out of the White House as President of The United States of America.
Respectfully, please allow me to share some of what I read in your King James Bible. The speaker is Jesus.
According to John 3:16 and John chapter 15 YOU, Me and We All are God's Chosen Person. Not - ISRAEL, or JEWS, or BLACKS, WHITES, REDS, BROWS OR YELLOWS. WHOSOEVER!!! Capitalist, Socialist, Communist, Right, Left, Gay, Straight. Rich, Poor, Young and Old. EVERYBODY.
Recommendation: If you are going to preach to me and damn me to your hell I demand that you read your good book and LOVE me first. Memorize John 10:10. By their fruit you know them. (DEVILS) John 13:34,35. God has not ordered any of us to embody the spirit of Adolph Hitler.
Wake Up and turn your heart towards JESUS and keep it there, or preach in the name of Messers Cheney/Bush.
Thanks.
Children Are Watching.
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WHERE HAVE ALL THE SOLDIERS GONE?
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 11, 2008 10:53 AM   
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[edit] Cover-up and investigations
The first reports claimed that "128 Vietcong and 22 civilians" were killed in the village during a "fierce fire fight". General William C. Westmoreland, MACV commander, congratulated the unit on the "outstanding job".[citation needed] As related at the time by the Army's Stars and Stripes magazine, "U.S. infantrymen had killed 128 Communists in a bloody day-long battle."
Initial investigations of the My Lai operation were undertaken by the 11th Light Infantry Brigade's commanding officer, Colonel Henderson, under orders from the Americal Division's executive officer, Brigadier General George H. Young. Henderson interviewed several soldiers involved in the incident, then issued a written report in late April claiming that some 22 civilians were inadvertently killed during the operation. The army at this time was still describing the events at My Lai as a military victory that had resulted in the deaths of 128 enemy combatants.
Six months later, Tom Glen, a 21-year-old soldier of the 11th Light Infantry Brigade, wrote a letter to General Creighton Abrams, the new overall commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam, accusing the Americal Division (and other entire units of the U.S. military) of routine and pervasive brutality against Vietnamese civilians. The letter was detailed and its contents echoed complaints received from other soldiers.
Colin Powell, then a 31-year-old Army Major, was charged with investigating the letter, which did not specifically reference My Lai (Glen had limited knowledge of the events there). In his report Powell wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Powell's handling of the assignment was later characterized by some observers as "whitewashing" the atrocities of My Lai.[23] In May 2004, Powell, then United States Secretary of State, told CNN's Larry King, "I mean, I was in a unit that was responsible for My Lai. I got there after My Lai happened. So, in war, these sorts of horrible things happen every now and again, but they are still to be deplored."[24]
The carnage at My Lai might have gone unknown to history if not for another soldier, Ron Ridenhour, a former member of Charlie Company, who, independently of Glen, sent a letter detailing the events at My Lai to President Richard M. Nixon, the Pentagon, the State Department, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and numerous members of Congress.[25] The copies of this letter were sent in March 1969, a full year after the event. Most recipients of Ridenhour's letter ignored it, with the notable exception of Congressman Morris Udall (D-Arizona). Ridenhour learned about the events at My Lai secondhand, by talking to members of Charlie Company while he was still enlisted.
Eventually, Calley was charged with several counts of premeditated murder in September 1969, and 25 other officers and enlisted men were later charged with related crimes. It was another two months before the American public learned about the massacre and trials.
Independent investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, after extensive conversations with Calley, broke the My Lai story on 12 November 1969; on 20 November, Time, Life and Newsweek magazines all covered the story, and CBS televised an interview with Paul Meadlo. The Cleveland Plain Dealer published explicit photographs of dead villagers killed at My Lai. As is evident from comments made in a 1969 telephone conversation between United States National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger and Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird, revealed recently[when?] by the National Security Archive, the photos of the war crime were too shocking for senior officials to stage an effective cover-up. Secretary of Defense Laird was heard to say, "There are so many kids just lying there; these pictures are authentic." [cont'd below]

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WHERE HAVE ALL THE SOLDIERS GONE?
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 11, 2008 10:54 AM   
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In November 1969, General William R. Peers was appointed to conduct a thorough investigation into the My Lai incident and its subsequent cover-up. Peers' final report, published in March 1970, was highly critical of top officers for participation in a cover-up and the Charlie Company officers for their actions at My Lai 4.[26] According to Peers's findings:
[The 1st Battalion] members had killed at least 175-200 Vietnamese men, women, and children. The evidence indicates that only 3 or 4 were confirmed as Viet Cong although there were undoubtedly several unarmed VC (men, women, and children) among them and many more active supporters and sympathizers. One man from the company was reported as wounded from the accidental discharge of his weapon.[2]
However, critics of the Peers Commission pointed out that it sought to place the real blame on four officers who were already dead, foremost among them being the CO of TF Barker, LTC Frank Barker, who was killed in a mid air collision on June 13, 1968.

PEACE.

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» RE: Great write-up bo430 Posted by: channing
LEARN FROM HISTORY
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 11, 2008 11:03 AM   
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or live to reapeat it and repeat it and become extinct.

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Torture and Public Opinion
Posted by: joze46 on Apr 11, 2008 11:05 AM   
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Only my opinion.

Out of all the issues this torture thing should be on the front burner roasting the heck out of the Republican Party. Followed by the BlackWater mercenary stuff. If presented for debate style in the national election, instead of impeachment by Congress, I feel Howard Dean will with public support and the Democrats could win the American electorate through Impeachment by popular election. All with the very MSM that is supporting McCain.

Using the principle of violations in the Constitution by deliberate deceit and misinformation the America Democratic Party can risk as little collateral damage as possible. But the choice is which nominee is the question. Hillary or Obama.

For all the readers out there, here is a very good video of Naomi Wolf, author and activist that describes the horrible association and likely hood this administration has to fascism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

There are many citizens raising the flag of warning that our core government currently has morphed into exactly this cultural were America is caught up in a serious change that needs to be addressed.

My personal concern is the slight break in current Mainstream Media public reporting. ABC, MSNBC have at least two first line Journalist, Keith Olbermann and the other public channel types that support that ideal America is making a transition to a fascism state. It is incredible how McCain being tortured for five years can support any notion or debate in waterboarding.

Naomi Wolf makes an endorsement of Barack Obama which to me is not only the wrong choice but, Obama will likely fuel the transition to fascism. From Obama’s book Audacity of hope Obama clearly talks of Islam being the traditional form of theocracy that the international community accepts. Ironically, but true as a flag waving Christian, Obama expresses his opinion completely dismissing his Christian devotion so proudly announced so often. We all know Islam condemns the Jews.

Worse yet the Wahabbi Arabs hate the Jews with a considerable amount of passion. Here, in America the Arabs have been a powerful influence in America in terms of money and power since World War II. Through Bush and Company the Arabs have likely been privy to National Security Secrets the average American would flip over.

All this complicity with media moles embedded in the war in Iraq for years have in a deceitful way reported to America misinformation which likely in an impeachment would flush out a considerable amount Democrats as well as Republicans that have failed to support the very character and basics of the Constitution. For me that’s why Pelosi refuses to impeach all those connected in the Bush administration. Why for the first time in history there is glowing evidence that an American government, Bush and Company, with policy deliberately choose to violate the Constitution. Yes far worse than WaterGate. America is in a Fascist – Gate and the electorate is unconsciously with the help of the media marching through it.

From my view there is no way any victory can be placed on the foundation of torture and secret mercenary operations in any war. If Hillary takes that position she will win.

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» LMAO @ "Hillary" Posted by: Scientz
Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Apr 11, 2008 12:14 PM   
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Our soldiers are not heros, not even close. In the military you are allowed to diobey an illegal order. These guys must get off torturing other human beings. I wouldn't let my husband touch me ever again if he'd done these things. Bush's whole administration is illegal and criminal and we need another revolution to take our government back from these war criminals. I hope to God somebody holds all of them, including those so called soldier heros accountable. If not, there is a special place in hell for all of them.

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» RE: Deb Posted by: peacefullaim
I fear for our future...
Posted by: Marshalldoc on Apr 11, 2008 12:32 PM   
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I have followed the story Sami al-Haj, and another Sami (al-Arian) for several years.

What both cases demonstrate is an utter and callous disregard for humanity bordering on sociopathy. That our society has produced people willing to voluntarily invent, oversee, and directly participate in such criminal acts and inhuman actions as have been committed against Sami al-Haj, his fellow "detainees" in Gitmo, Bagram, and other U.S. controlled prisons around the globe, and against Sami al-Arian, are a complete indictment against what we've come to call "Americanism".

Sadly, just as the German people did in WWII, the American public is all too ready to quickly turn its attention elsewhere so as not to be burdened with the knowledge of what's being done in their names, with their taxes, and by their sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers, wives, and husbands. Also, when inconveniently confronted and unable to turn away, they justify the ongoing crimes by supposing 'they deserved it' and by putting their trust in the "better judgment" of their government leaders.

This is a non-partisan behavior because, although the right-wing & John McCain are more vocally strident in their support of these ongoing crimes against humanity, neither Obama nor Clinton have made closure of Gitmo (and its global clones), prosecution of Americans guilty of war crimes & crimes v humanity, or compensation (penance) to the victims of our hubris a central or even (as I perceive it) a peripheral part of their campaigns.

Following WWII the world was given the Nuremberg Tribunals in which the perpetrators of what, until now, had been the world's most egregious act of global aggression faced retribution for their crimes. Unfortunately, there seems to be no support for a similar tribunal despite the overwhelming amount of evidence implicating the Busheviks in crimes of a similar nature and of nearly similar magnitude.

Hence, we seem faced with the likelihood of ongoing detentions & continued torture while those responsible return to their 'civilian' lives as CEOs, lecture circuit mavens, and former Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Secretaries of State, Defense, and DCIAs.

Augusto Pinochet died without suffering for his crimes against Argentina. Rios Montt continues to escape justice in Guatemala. Only now is Alberto Fujimoro standing trial in Peru.

The Guantanamo Detainees will have succumbed to the ravages of ongoing abuse & torture, or of old age, before those responsible for the worst American crimes against humanity in recent history are called to account... if they are ever.

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Why Don't the American People Care?
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Apr 11, 2008 5:40 PM   
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What has happened to Americans? Why don't they care? Is it because the people being tortured at Gitmo are Muslims, dark skinned, foreign? Is it because they want to be able to sleep at night and look at themselves in the mirror in the morning that they choose to ignore this issue? Or are other things more important, such as shopping, watching "24" and "American Idol" on TV, or planning their next vacation? Why have Gitmo, and torture, become acceptable? Tonight I'm going to have nightmares, but tomorrow I'm going to start making my voice heard. This horror, this travesty, has to be stopped. I will speak, I will write, and by the grace of God, I will be heard. All of us must do this. There is strength in numbers. If you care, ACT!

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Well Trained...
Posted by: JWSmith90291 on Apr 11, 2008 6:02 PM   
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Wow.. his training to assert abuse and inhumane treatment to appeal to the "weaker" of American sentiments really is working on the bunch here. His trainers would be so proud.

But, I bet he'll think twice before he ever again goes toting money around to fund paramilitary groups.

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» Mr Smith goes to fairyland Posted by: zipper696
A New Civil War
Posted by: nikolai on Apr 11, 2008 8:45 PM   
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is what it will take to straighten out the USA. I am a proud American and love my country, but I'm not so fond of some of my "Fellow Americans." My neighbor was a saleman who was ALL FOR for "Shock and Awe" because he could sell a ton of "small electronic guidance systems" if it started poppin' over there"... Well, he did, then moved to a "better" neighborhood. What the hell ever happened to common decency? We have lawyers telling us what is legal but not what is decent. If it is "legal" it is ok. WHAT BULLSH*T! The laws have been changed by the mob and/or the illuminati to suit their ends! Isn't it as plain as the nose on your face?! I'm not talking about TV shows, I'm talking about real people who are being KILLED because attorneys say it is, "OK"! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
How about that Arms dealer who was recently busted because he sold arms illegally to someone? OH, he didn't sell arms to the RIGHT criminals/murders/dictators, huh?! Everything was ok until he sold them to someone who was on the blacklist, eh? What a bunch of fuc*ed up b*llshit! ENOUGH! Time to kick ass and take names! TIme to storm Wall Street and D.C.! Death to these murderous pri*ks! THERE IS NO OTHER WAY!!!

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» RE: A New Civil War Posted by: Dboy
I have been a prisoner in America
Posted by: Pax Vobis on Apr 12, 2008 5:38 PM   
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In 1998 I was imprisoned because my doctors overdosed me and I became drug intoxicated and killed someone in an auto accident. My experience with the prison medical system included being sprayed all over my face and arms with my own blood by incompetant phelbotomists, forcably withdrawn from life-sustaining levothyroxin for weeks at a time for absolutely no reason whatsoever and forced psychiatric evaluations and defective therapy by some very zealous, incompetent psychologists. I have 5+ years of college in electronics and medical training and I know very well that there is an ugly penchant for nursing and physician staffers to become monsters. Read up on the Zimbardo Effect. I have seen it happen to several new guards who came in normal human beings and became pigs. I am married to an RN for 25+ years and I know for a fact that nurses make great nazis. Power really does corrupt! Elete-ism is deadly poison. Our big shots are filled up on themselves and very ill from getting what they prayed for. Our big media is totally sold out and I am completely convinced they destroyed the candidacy of Dr Ron Paul by overt ommisions. Our nation is very ill. Are we to receive Nazi health care???

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Out them!
Posted by: Julian on Apr 13, 2008 12:58 AM   
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Everyone knows the names of the chief war criminals, who will remain well protected for the rest of their miserable lives.

But next step down the line they can't be guarded for ever, and these, too, are animals who have made personal decisions to commit despicable crimes. They have names, rank and serial numbers. They have locations and personal addresses. Sooner or later they will have to retire from the protective arms of the armed forces. The mistreatments in Gitmo and other such hellholes, and the bullying of the people in Iraq, didn't happen because of some virus or other. It consisted of deliberate actions by individual monsters. Some justice can be served by keeping their specific crimes, names and updated locations in the public eye, e.g. through the Internet, for ever or until they spontaneously come forward to try to defend themselves in the presence of their accusers. Justice doesn't have to wait till the main war criminals are dragged to The Hague like the sprinkling of Balkan ethnic cleansers for a slap on the wrist - i.e. until doomsday. Musso in Italy, and numerous Jap guards in liberated POW camps, got quick justice before the US lawyers arrived to rescue them with legalistic talk of jurisdiction etc in order that like Hirohito they could live to serve the new masters. For the Jap guards the trials (at least at the hands of Australians) were simple: "Which ones were the bastards, fellers?" Musso didn't even need a trial - he had conducted his own trial of himself for years and all that was awaited was the penalty. That sort of justice is out of reach, but naming and shaming isn't.

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Guantánamo... "Auschwitz revisited?"
Posted by: Bearzerker on Apr 13, 2008 1:09 AM   
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...A handful of criminal fun-da-mental-ists [ala kamikaze]
added with the total inept leadership of Bush43 has turned the my world upside down!


Five Years in Guantánamo...
and people wonder how and why we could compare President Bush's administration with Fascism?

can we compare the guards at Gitmo to those at Nazi concentration camps...
are theses;
death camps [are executions coming?],
forced labor [sentenced to hard labor],
torture [nuff said]...

is what I'm saying truly a "fair and balanced" look at Republican leadership and its consequences?...
Bush43 is more about welding power no matter the consequences or how incompetent his leadership is proving to be... everything that emanates from this administration is misinformation & lies...
what makes it worse is that its so blatant! [invoke 911 and you can do anything]

I believe that Bush43 and all in this administration making these horrifying decisions will eventually be forced to a new Nuremberg trials for crimes against humanity!

I don't see any other alternative... if the free world could charge German nationals in 1945,
the free world "WILL" do it again as the past "IS" a precedence!

there is no excuse for this...
history will not be kind to this president!

The nut cases responsible are still on the loose?
woe is me... when will this nightmare end!

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Half way through the first page
Posted by: modeler on Apr 13, 2008 10:26 AM   
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I have come to the conclusion that those responsible for the inhumane treatment of the Gitmo prisoners should experience, preferably for the rest of their low lives, the forced feeding position described. That goes for all the Bushits and the Dicks as well as the Yoo-Yoos, Dumbsfelds and their ilk neo-cons. Israels secret Ambassador Liebermenn should also be included. And those jackasses claim to be the leaders of the free world? Some leaders, some free world. My ass.

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Class Action
Posted by: allenawesome on Apr 13, 2008 11:05 AM   
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Let's all go to http://www.sueeasy.com/ and file a class action case for war crimes!

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The Reality of the Situation
Posted by: zhine on Apr 13, 2008 1:17 PM   
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Once Bush and Company leave office no one will pursue him or his regime any longer. You will all focus on your current president, be he or she good or evil. The Bush regime will be swept aside and then, once again, the precedent continues: criminals getting away with torture, murder and various other evils.

Regardless of who gets into office you all need a good darn revolution to clean up your government and start with a clean slate.

I'm sick of hearing of conflict around the world and learning that America is at the heart of it, be it overt or covert.

Don't be so blind as to think this started with Bush--or that it will end with him.

Stand up, America. Be the people you pretend to be. It is time for change. And if that means civil war, then so be it. Too many innocents have died for you, and in your name. If you truly believed it was wrong, you'd find a way to change it. You're Americans. You can do it.

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Enemy Combatant?
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Apr 13, 2008 11:11 PM   
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Bush once seriously proposed to Blair that they bomb al Jazeera. I've watched al Jazeera English a number of times and found it fair, balanced and not at all sympathetic to radial Islamists. For the US to imprison a journalist for doing his job is unconscionable and unlawful. Combatant? His weapon was a TV camera for recording the news.

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