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Sexual Abuse Fueled by Abusive Immigration Language
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The story has hooks most likely because it's about how a common crime -- sexual blackmail against immigrants and other women marginalized in society -- became more difficult to hide and ignore because of new technologies. But despite the dubious reasons why this story hit the mainstream news, the activist community can still seize this opportunity to make two very important points: 1) Immigration is a feminist issue and 2) The distinctions between "legal" and "illegal" immigrants is red herring to distract from the fact that it's immigrants, full stop, who face oppression under a tidal wave of anti-immigration sentiment.
This woman's story demonstrates the way that the cut-and-dry distinctions between illegal and legal immigrants touted by the Lou Dobbses of the world tend to turn shades of gray when examined closely. Or actually, shades of paperwork. The rape victim entered the U.S. legally on a tourist visa and overstayed, but managed to enter the system to get her green card by marrying a citizen, which all but the worst mouth-breathers accept as a legitimate way to get a green card. Her story shows why it's front-loaded and racist to describe a human being as "illegal," especially when her illegal actions were misdemeanors such that they didn't even raise the ire of the law when she got her paperwork in order. I've managed to drive a car before after letting my inspection lapse, and then got the ticket straightened out by renewing my inspection sticker, an equivalent crime. No one describes my very being as illegal, though. Though rape, on the other hand, is not a minor crime and is earth-shattering enough that it's acceptable to describe the people who commit that crimes as "rapists," I suspect that rapists get called by that moniker less often than immigrants without their paperwork in order get called "illegals."
Words like "illegals" dehumanize immigrants, whether or not they have their paperwork in order, and that dehumanization makes immigrant women juicy targets for assorted sexist oppressors, from anti-choicers to wife beaters to rapists, as this woman's story shows. One Honduran immigrant faced charges after trying to self-abort with an ulcer medication, an attempt that failed to induce abortion, but was linked to her giving birth to a premature infant who passed away. The same article notes that a 22-year-old Mexican immigrant living in South Carolina was put in jail for inducing her own abortion with the medication at home. That immigrant women often resort to self-abortion should surprise no one. Not only is safe, legal abortion financially daunting for a number of women, the atmosphere of dehumanization of immigrants makes many women understandably eager to reduce their encounters with authority figures of any type, including doctors.
Green card manipulation isn't just a trick practiced by immigration officials wanting to control and dominate women, either. According to the Family Violence Prevention Fund (PDF), many domestic abusers use threats about immigration status to keep women in relationships with them. Whether married to citizens or non-citizens, the quasi-legal status assigned to immigrants means that many victims of domestic violence fear seeking help; consequently, the rates of domestic violence are significantly higher for immigrant women than women at large. Congress stepped in to create the International Marriage Brokers Regulation Act, which gives immigrant women the right to leave abusive marriages without being deported. It also requires that men who go through "marriage broker" services to disclose their domestic violence histories to potential brides.
If you ever want to despair of the human condition, Google the term "IMBRA" -- the vast majority of the results returned are authored by men outraged at these entirely reasonable measures that keep men from beating their immigrant wives and using green cards as leverage to perpetuate the violence. Strangely, few of these websites argue that men should be given the direct right to beat women, but it's hard to imagine what other worldview they could be operating under, when they think that it should be perfectly legal for a man to threaten his wife with deportation if she leaves him after a round of beating. If you are under the incorrect impression that sexism is dead and feminism isn't needed anymore, I recommend listening to the howls of men who think the government owes them the right to treat immigrant women like a population available for their punching bag and sexual assault needs. That goes double for you if you've ever sneered at the term "intersections of oppression," because I can't think of a better example myself.
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Posted by: brunowe on Apr 7, 2008 1:21 AM
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Second, if someone is using a person's illegal status to extort from them, they should be prosecuted--but that doesn't make the use of the term "illegal" dehumanizing.
Third, illegal status is a bit more than just not having a current car inspection sticker, as it involves physical presence in a country where one has no right to be.
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Posted by: marchpet on Apr 7, 2008 1:26 AM
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Posted by: HBoyer on Apr 7, 2008 3:35 AM
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Deport them back to the country they came from.
Make laws with imprisonment for smugglers, employers of Illegal Aliens and we will no longer have 20 million Illegal Aliens in this country.
It will no longer cost American Tax payers Billions of dollars in free medical, free schooling, free welfare for these Illegal Aliens.
Then your concern for Illegal Aliens being raped will be solved.
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Posted by: djnoll on Apr 7, 2008 4:58 AM
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ILLEGAL immigrants on the other hand have no protections to speak of unless they want to be deported. They cannot get a legal job without resorting to SS card fraud or identity theft. They cannot expect to be protected from the affects of their choices because they are abused by a pimp or a smuggler. They made the conscious choice to break our laws and hide their presence, so guess what?- the lowlifes that brought them here illegally hold all the cards, and like animals who are held by vicious masters, they get abused and forced to commit even worse acts that entering our country illegally. These individuals who come here ILLEGALLY have made the conscious decision to break our laws by entering our country, and while I would never want any person to be harmed or abused, I cannot help but feel that they are not so stupid as to not know what fate may await them even before they leave their homelands. From what I have learned, some even agree to this as part of paying off those who smuggle them in before they ever leave their homeland. I am sure the horror stories about what happens to illegal immigrants are as rampant in their countries as what happens to US citizens illegally in theirs.
Do not expect me to shed tears for them. Expect me to demand the enforcement of immigration laws currently on our books, the tightening of our border security (up to and including closing those borders), and the arrest and deportation of these criminals. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A MATTER OF CRIMINAL LAW - NOT RACISM AND NOT HUMANITARIAN LARGESSE! Do the crime, do the time, and in this case, that means going back home! In cases like those in the article, this is also for their protection, not just the security of our nation. It is too bad that so many of those who embrace the illegal immigration supporters cannot understand that illegal immigration is not only a crime against our laws, but also a serious danger for those who choose to participate and that the laws on the books are as much for their protection as ours.
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Posted by: Mexitli on Apr 7, 2008 5:28 AM
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If feminists would like to help, FINE! I don't think they can hurt us like the communists have.
Second, we Chicanos have been against the word "illegals" for years now. Almost as soon as it popped up. Yet, you can hear it almost every night on the evening news.
Funny how the nativists that use this word are often "English Only" types as well.
Well, FYI. "Illegals" is grammatically incorrect.
Overstaying a visa is a crime. This does not make the individual an "illegal." If it did, everyone who ran a stop sign would be an "illegal." HUMANS ARE NOT ILLEGALS!
Criminalizing isn't half the issue. Illegals is intended to render a person "sub-human." This way you can belittle him/her.
People like Dobbs and O'reily dont even pretend to view these poor people as human.
Code Words of Hate
National Association of Hispanic Journalists
I appreciate the article and the feminists efforts. But the raping of migrant women has been going on for years. Not just by "coyotes" but by the Border Patrol, Ranchers, vigilantes and other law enforcement types.
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Posted by: zeitgeist1979 on Apr 7, 2008 6:09 AM
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Posted by: PakiBoy on Apr 7, 2008 7:07 AM
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Since the Spanish-American War, US has pursued regional hegemony over the western hemisphere.
Just between Spanish-American War and the Great Depression (we are all hoping for even a Greater 'Great Depression' today), US sent troops to Latin American countries 32 times. And all for the corporate interests of US elites.
US policy of propping up brutal dictatorships and destroying local economy for the profits of corporations has resulted in the need for these people to come to US.
May be you morons should have thought about the consequences of your illegal and immoral policy.
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Posted by: naomi dagen bloom on Apr 7, 2008 7:52 AM
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sadly, an important essay that asks us to look at who we are as americans immediately receives responses from dark, racist voices. alternet seems to receive many examples in replies to posts of the failure of public education--meaning not only schools but all the institutions that claim to shape our values. i include the family and the church.
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Posted by: PakiBoy on Apr 7, 2008 9:05 AM
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"...Conquest gives a title which the Courts of the conqueror cannot deny, whatever the private and speculative opinions of individuals may be, respecting the original justice of the claim which has been successfully asserted. The British government, which was then our government, and whose rights have passed to the United States, asserted title to all the lands occupied by Indians, within the chartered limits of the British colonies. It asserted also a limited sovereignty over them, and the exclusive right of extinguishing the title which occupancy gave to them. These claims have been maintained and established as far west as the river Mississippi, by the sword. The title to a vast portion of the lands we now hold, originates in them. It is not for the Courts of this country to question the validity of this title, or to sustain one which is incompatible with it.
Although we do not mean to engage in the defence of those principles which Europeans have applied to Indian title, they may, we think, find some excuse, if not justification, in the character and habits of the people whose rights have been wrested from them...
The title by conquest is acquired and maintained by force. The conqueror prescribes its limits. Humanity, however, acting on public opinion, has established, as a general rule, that the conquered shall not be wantonly oppressed, and that their condition shall remain as eligible as is compatible with the objects of the conquest. Most usually, they are incorporated with the victorious nation, and become subjects or citizens of the government with which they are connected. The new and old members of the society mingle with each other; the distinction between them is grandually lost, and they make one people. Where this incorporation is practicable, humanity demands, and a wise policy requires, that the rights of the conquered to property should remain unimpaired; that the new subjects should be governed as equitably as the old, and that confidence in their security should gradually banish the painful sense of being separated from their ancient connexions, and united by force to strangers.
Basically, America is a stolen land. Nobody ought to respect the US borders.
And in any case, US is going to lose the demographic war in the next few decades.
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Posted by: bc430 on Apr 7, 2008 10:09 AM
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No, it's not a feminist issue, it is a human issue.
Another reflected piece of insane modern Americana caught exposing itself.
Who are the hateful, fearful, ignorant, poor, name calling and ardent defenders of this freak show?
"Round 'em up, send 'em home, build a fence!"
Would you believe these furious fake defenders of liberty are our sick fellow Americans who inherited the legacy that feared the terrorizing words of the angry and militant Dr. Martin L. King Jr?
But now they all know a half line of the dream he had. Oh do they ever know that he said, some day in America he believed his 4 little children "would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." Those few words from a speech that was not about dreaming have become the conservative's ofensive weapon against fairness, equity and parity. Some day by the content of Spanish speaking character, maybe? But they be damn if that day is going to happen on their watch. And they think they aren't racist. But the terrible disturbing illegal alien immigrants aren't White people.
But, And, If, Maybe......
The dehumanizing of "certain" people occurs because they are considered lower on the tote pole or socio/economic ladder then the low life doing the dehumanizing.
Rape and other forms of sexual abuse are some of the many expressions of psychologically twisted evil in the need department of weaklings. [In the name of the kkk version of a neo-racist Eurocentric JESUS they siezed total control of our government.]
Sometimes they organize themselves and rape whole nations. Iraq, Pretraeus, Iraq, Hayden, Iraq, Cheney/Bush, Blair, Iraq Iraq, Iraq, Neocon-federates,et al, Iraq.
The CIA is holding her head. The Army, Air Force, Marines, and Navy have each grabbed an arm and a leg. Halliburton and Blackwater are looting. The beautiful non english speaking lady is bleeding blood from her body and oil from her soil. The two fluids are now mingled with death, destruction, American economic bankruptcy, moral decay and spiritual death.
"Any nation that spends more of it's money on the military than it does on social uplift is a nation headed for spiritual death." MLK Jr. 41 years ago.
"Typical" brainwashed Americans are still being programed with empty slogans that cause them to interpret the beautiful lady's resistance to the assault as an act of terrorism. Blame the victim. Even at home minding her own business and being gang raped, White racism says to it's moronic adherents, "she doesn't speak English so that makes her an illegal alien immmigrant."
China is making deals in Latin America.
Pretraeus is coming. "The Surge is Working."
China is doing deals in Latin America.
"There's a payday someday." R.G. Lee.
You sure you still want to be a part of this American White Racism thing?
Think about it.
Children Are Watching.
Peace.
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Posted by: Lalo on Apr 7, 2008 10:32 AM
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Too many readers are unwilling to consider how labels affect the way society treats undocumented immigrants.
Don't let them deter you from encouraging our society to treat others without hate and force.
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Posted by: Mexitli on Apr 7, 2008 10:36 AM
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EVERY nation is a nation of immigrants. Go back far enough and you’ll find us all, millions of potential lives, tucked in the DNA of our African mother, Lucy. But the immigrant experience in the United States is justly celebrated, and perhaps no aspect of that experience is more quintessentially American than our long heritage of illegal immigration.
You wouldn’t know it from the immigration debate going on all year (the bipartisan immigration bill-in-progress, announced this week, is unlikely to mention it), but America’s pioneer values developed in a distinctly illegal context. In 1763, George III drew a line on a map stretching from modern-day Maine to modern-day Georgia, along the crest of the Appalachians. He declared it illegal to claim or settle land west of the line, all of which he reserved for Native Americans.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on Apr 7, 2008 11:36 AM
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Huh? So she's not an "illegal" at all. I don't get the whole point of the article.
As for whether it would be somehow "front-loaded and racist" to describe OTHER human beings as "illegal" when such lingo has nothing whatsoever to do with her... well, we can't look to AlterNet for any logic on this issue!
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Posted by: photon's feather on Apr 7, 2008 9:01 PM
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There's a strange group of people I think of as the hate-America-first crowd.
I cannot, will not, and certainly do not excuse the evil done in my name by my government. However, what some of these people seem to forget is that the US is hardly the only country to have done these things. You have to judge things in social and historical context.
We have a lot of lazy thinkers in this country (and elsewhere). You see it in this article: women come here illegally; we call them illegal aliens; some of them are raped. Therefore, it is the term that is responsible (at least in part) for the rapes. I might take a closer look at that but for the fact that women who are not immigrants at all are raped.
Then there are charges of racism. Well, women of all races and colors are raped and otherwise mistreated.
They're poor. Sorry, but wealth is no guarantee of safety from rape.
Similar arguments can be made concerning every other kind of mistreatment, including those not named in this article.
That's without getting into the fact that mistreatment is not reserved for women.
I have many criticisms about my government's policies over the years, and now more than ever, but there are an awful lot of countries that have behaved at least as badly and/or would be even more uncomfortable to live in.
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Posted by: catchaz on Apr 7, 2008 3:08 PM
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one commenter actually said that because these people came to the country illegally he "wouldn't shed a tear for them," and that they deserved no protections.
no tears for someone who's been RAPED.
no protections against RAPE.
this sick and twisted commenter apparently thinks RAPE is an appropriate penalty for illegal immigrants.
if you want an idea about just how sick and twisted some people are, read those comments.
if you read a heartbreaking article like this, and your response is anything other than anger and sadness, or is anger AT the victims, you are a very sick person, and are exactly what is wrong with America. the most criminal illegal immigrant is a better American than you.
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Posted by: catchaz on Apr 7, 2008 3:12 PM
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every single immigrant, illegal or legal, is a better American than you are djnoll.
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Posted by: SOWILO on Apr 7, 2008 3:59 PM
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Much of this misconception comes from a middle-class white caricature of the "noble savage" in the 1960s. Western Culture, though not perfect, has done a lot to elevate people out of abject poverty. We've done a lot of horrible things, but so have all cultures in the world.
In Africa for instance, the racism is incredibly extreme just amongst black people from different origins.
Though our past attrocities should be understood in America, adherence to the Socratic and European principles this country was founded on should be first and foremost.
This open-borders policy and anti-nation state madness is illogical and will ultimately cause massive social unrest. I live in Los Angeles and I see the strife daily. Here, 95 percent of unsolved murders are attributed to illegal immigrants. It's the truth no matter how one wants to look at it.
I don't want to see anyone raped or hurt that is terrible. To stop this, we have to stop the immigration and repeal NAFTA.
However, allowing all these illegals here is untenable and is not helping progressive causes of environmentalism, betterment of wages, and the push toward a more secular, educated society.
Also for the truth on the chicano movement, read this:
http://www.diversityalliance.org/docs/Chang-aztlan.html
Sorry, but immigrants should only be allowed in legally, and we need to stop taking in refugees. We aren't going to have the resources for this in the collapsing economy.
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Posted by: efpatter on Apr 7, 2008 4:57 PM
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your whole comment smacks of the same white supremacist, misogynistic notions you decry. it's no surprise that you reinforce these views by taking the ultra-conservative stance on immigration akin to the far right and their hateful allies.
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No, it wasn't a cure-all for the problems plaguing that group of people. However it does show that lawmakers have not been ignoring the problem. While the situation is nowhere near to being solved, please mention both the steps forward as well as the dire circumstances. A little recognition for the people in the trenches would go a long way toward keeping (and recruiting) some talented people into fighting the good fight. But when even the people "on the right side" ignore them -- well, can you wonder that there aren't enough people doing this kind of work?
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Posted by: photon's feather on Apr 7, 2008 7:49 PM
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Many people have no problem with immigration, but believe that a nation has the right to choose: who, when, how many, and from where.
Do you think the government does not adjust quotas to reflect the estimated number of illegal residents from each country? (I would be amazed to learn that they do not.)
Then there follows the call for legalization or amnesty or whatever you choose to name it. Any illegal immigrants, (by any name you wish to call them), that are granted legal status definitely do push back those *from the same countries* who were following the law and waiting to come here legally.
In my personal experience, the most vehement opposition to illegal immigrants - and particularly to giving them legal status - comes from fairly recent immigrants. They are always incensed that their papers were held up because of those who acted outside the law. (As they are talking about people from their own native countries, surely you can't call *them* racists.)
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Posted by: darkhorse on Apr 7, 2008 8:54 PM
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It isn't about someone's legal or illegal prsence here, although this is another nice try on the part of the amnesty crowd, it's about power, abuse of power and the opportunities for abuse that arise from the lack of meaningful oversight on the agents.
It's the same old story but given a new spin here. Ugh.
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Posted by: SOWILO on Apr 7, 2008 11:09 PM
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Make sure to slash all the European art in the museums.
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Posted by: lexical on Apr 8, 2008 9:51 AM
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All I'm saying is: Don't spit this like it's brand new. Undercutting and ignoring (or not citing) the labor of women of color in this discourse participates in the type of discrimination that you are talking about.
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Hey, I am a fairly big reader of news. So why am I just learning about this IMBRA law now? If it really will have all these negative affects, how come it was not in numerous editorials a year ago?
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Second, if someone is using a person's illegal status to extort from them, they should be prosecuted--but that doesn't make the use of the term "illegal" dehumanizing.
Third, illegal status is a bit more than just not having a current car inspection sticker, as it involves physical presence in a country where one has no right to be.
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Deport them back to the country they came from.
Make laws with imprisonment for smugglers, employers of Illegal Aliens and we will no longer have 20 million Illegal Aliens in this country.
It will no longer cost American Tax payers Billions of dollars in free medical, free schooling, free welfare for these Illegal Aliens.
Then your concern for Illegal Aliens being raped will be solved.
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ILLEGAL immigrants on the other hand have no protections to speak of unless they want to be deported. They cannot get a legal job without resorting to SS card fraud or identity theft. They cannot expect to be protected from the affects of their choices because they are abused by a pimp or a smuggler. They made the conscious choice to break our laws and hide their presence, so guess what?- the lowlifes that brought them here illegally hold all the cards, and like animals who are held by vicious masters, they get abused and forced to commit even worse acts that entering our country illegally. These individuals who come here ILLEGALLY have made the conscious decision to break our laws by entering our country, and while I would never want any person to be harmed or abused, I cannot help but feel that they are not so stupid as to not know what fate may await them even before they leave their homelands. From what I have learned, some even agree to this as part of paying off those who smuggle them in before they ever leave their homeland. I am sure the horror stories about what happens to illegal immigrants are as rampant in their countries as what happens to US citizens illegally in theirs.
Do not expect me to shed tears for them. Expect me to demand the enforcement of immigration laws currently on our books, the tightening of our border security (up to and including closing those borders), and the arrest and deportation of these criminals. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A MATTER OF CRIMINAL LAW - NOT RACISM AND NOT HUMANITARIAN LARGESSE! Do the crime, do the time, and in this case, that means going back home! In cases like those in the article, this is also for their protection, not just the security of our nation. It is too bad that so many of those who embrace the illegal immigration supporters cannot understand that illegal immigration is not only a crime against our laws, but also a serious danger for those who choose to participate and that the laws on the books are as much for their protection as ours.
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Posted by: Mexitli on Apr 7, 2008 5:28 AM
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If feminists would like to help, FINE! I don't think they can hurt us like the communists have.
Second, we Chicanos have been against the word "illegals" for years now. Almost as soon as it popped up. Yet, you can hear it almost every night on the evening news.
Funny how the nativists that use this word are often "English Only" types as well.
Well, FYI. "Illegals" is grammatically incorrect.
Overstaying a visa is a crime. This does not make the individual an "illegal." If it did, everyone who ran a stop sign would be an "illegal." HUMANS ARE NOT ILLEGALS!
Criminalizing isn't half the issue. Illegals is intended to render a person "sub-human." This way you can belittle him/her.
People like Dobbs and O'reily dont even pretend to view these poor people as human.
Code Words of Hate
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I appreciate the article and the feminists efforts. But the raping of migrant women has been going on for years. Not just by "coyotes" but by the Border Patrol, Ranchers, vigilantes and other law enforcement types.
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Since the Spanish-American War, US has pursued regional hegemony over the western hemisphere.
Just between Spanish-American War and the Great Depression (we are all hoping for even a Greater 'Great Depression' today), US sent troops to Latin American countries 32 times. And all for the corporate interests of US elites.
US policy of propping up brutal dictatorships and destroying local economy for the profits of corporations has resulted in the need for these people to come to US.
May be you morons should have thought about the consequences of your illegal and immoral policy.
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sadly, an important essay that asks us to look at who we are as americans immediately receives responses from dark, racist voices. alternet seems to receive many examples in replies to posts of the failure of public education--meaning not only schools but all the institutions that claim to shape our values. i include the family and the church.
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"...Conquest gives a title which the Courts of the conqueror cannot deny, whatever the private and speculative opinions of individuals may be, respecting the original justice of the claim which has been successfully asserted. The British government, which was then our government, and whose rights have passed to the United States, asserted title to all the lands occupied by Indians, within the chartered limits of the British colonies. It asserted also a limited sovereignty over them, and the exclusive right of extinguishing the title which occupancy gave to them. These claims have been maintained and established as far west as the river Mississippi, by the sword. The title to a vast portion of the lands we now hold, originates in them. It is not for the Courts of this country to question the validity of this title, or to sustain one which is incompatible with it.
Although we do not mean to engage in the defence of those principles which Europeans have applied to Indian title, they may, we think, find some excuse, if not justification, in the character and habits of the people whose rights have been wrested from them...
The title by conquest is acquired and maintained by force. The conqueror prescribes its limits. Humanity, however, acting on public opinion, has established, as a general rule, that the conquered shall not be wantonly oppressed, and that their condition shall remain as eligible as is compatible with the objects of the conquest. Most usually, they are incorporated with the victorious nation, and become subjects or citizens of the government with which they are connected. The new and old members of the society mingle with each other; the distinction between them is grandually lost, and they make one people. Where this incorporation is practicable, humanity demands, and a wise policy requires, that the rights of the conquered to property should remain unimpaired; that the new subjects should be governed as equitably as the old, and that confidence in their security should gradually banish the painful sense of being separated from their ancient connexions, and united by force to strangers.
Basically, America is a stolen land. Nobody ought to respect the US borders.
And in any case, US is going to lose the demographic war in the next few decades.
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Posted by: bc430 on Apr 7, 2008 10:09 AM
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No, it's not a feminist issue, it is a human issue.
Another reflected piece of insane modern Americana caught exposing itself.
Who are the hateful, fearful, ignorant, poor, name calling and ardent defenders of this freak show?
"Round 'em up, send 'em home, build a fence!"
Would you believe these furious fake defenders of liberty are our sick fellow Americans who inherited the legacy that feared the terrorizing words of the angry and militant Dr. Martin L. King Jr?
But now they all know a half line of the dream he had. Oh do they ever know that he said, some day in America he believed his 4 little children "would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." Those few words from a speech that was not about dreaming have become the conservative's ofensive weapon against fairness, equity and parity. Some day by the content of Spanish speaking character, maybe? But they be damn if that day is going to happen on their watch. And they think they aren't racist. But the terrible disturbing illegal alien immigrants aren't White people.
But, And, If, Maybe......
The dehumanizing of "certain" people occurs because they are considered lower on the tote pole or socio/economic ladder then the low life doing the dehumanizing.
Rape and other forms of sexual abuse are some of the many expressions of psychologically twisted evil in the need department of weaklings. [In the name of the kkk version of a neo-racist Eurocentric JESUS they siezed total control of our government.]
Sometimes they organize themselves and rape whole nations. Iraq, Pretraeus, Iraq, Hayden, Iraq, Cheney/Bush, Blair, Iraq Iraq, Iraq, Neocon-federates,et al, Iraq.
The CIA is holding her head. The Army, Air Force, Marines, and Navy have each grabbed an arm and a leg. Halliburton and Blackwater are looting. The beautiful non english speaking lady is bleeding blood from her body and oil from her soil. The two fluids are now mingled with death, destruction, American economic bankruptcy, moral decay and spiritual death.
"Any nation that spends more of it's money on the military than it does on social uplift is a nation headed for spiritual death." MLK Jr. 41 years ago.
"Typical" brainwashed Americans are still being programed with empty slogans that cause them to interpret the beautiful lady's resistance to the assault as an act of terrorism. Blame the victim. Even at home minding her own business and being gang raped, White racism says to it's moronic adherents, "she doesn't speak English so that makes her an illegal alien immmigrant."
China is making deals in Latin America.
Pretraeus is coming. "The Surge is Working."
China is doing deals in Latin America.
"There's a payday someday." R.G. Lee.
You sure you still want to be a part of this American White Racism thing?
Think about it.
Children Are Watching.
Peace.
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Too many readers are unwilling to consider how labels affect the way society treats undocumented immigrants.
Don't let them deter you from encouraging our society to treat others without hate and force.
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EVERY nation is a nation of immigrants. Go back far enough and you’ll find us all, millions of potential lives, tucked in the DNA of our African mother, Lucy. But the immigrant experience in the United States is justly celebrated, and perhaps no aspect of that experience is more quintessentially American than our long heritage of illegal immigration.
You wouldn’t know it from the immigration debate going on all year (the bipartisan immigration bill-in-progress, announced this week, is unlikely to mention it), but America’s pioneer values developed in a distinctly illegal context. In 1763, George III drew a line on a map stretching from modern-day Maine to modern-day Georgia, along the crest of the Appalachians. He declared it illegal to claim or settle land west of the line, all of which he reserved for Native Americans.
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Huh? So she's not an "illegal" at all. I don't get the whole point of the article.
As for whether it would be somehow "front-loaded and racist" to describe OTHER human beings as "illegal" when such lingo has nothing whatsoever to do with her... well, we can't look to AlterNet for any logic on this issue!
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There's a strange group of people I think of as the hate-America-first crowd.
I cannot, will not, and certainly do not excuse the evil done in my name by my government. However, what some of these people seem to forget is that the US is hardly the only country to have done these things. You have to judge things in social and historical context.
We have a lot of lazy thinkers in this country (and elsewhere). You see it in this article: women come here illegally; we call them illegal aliens; some of them are raped. Therefore, it is the term that is responsible (at least in part) for the rapes. I might take a closer look at that but for the fact that women who are not immigrants at all are raped.
Then there are charges of racism. Well, women of all races and colors are raped and otherwise mistreated.
They're poor. Sorry, but wealth is no guarantee of safety from rape.
Similar arguments can be made concerning every other kind of mistreatment, including those not named in this article.
That's without getting into the fact that mistreatment is not reserved for women.
I have many criticisms about my government's policies over the years, and now more than ever, but there are an awful lot of countries that have behaved at least as badly and/or would be even more uncomfortable to live in.
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one commenter actually said that because these people came to the country illegally he "wouldn't shed a tear for them," and that they deserved no protections.
no tears for someone who's been RAPED.
no protections against RAPE.
this sick and twisted commenter apparently thinks RAPE is an appropriate penalty for illegal immigrants.
if you want an idea about just how sick and twisted some people are, read those comments.
if you read a heartbreaking article like this, and your response is anything other than anger and sadness, or is anger AT the victims, you are a very sick person, and are exactly what is wrong with America. the most criminal illegal immigrant is a better American than you.
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every single immigrant, illegal or legal, is a better American than you are djnoll.
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Much of this misconception comes from a middle-class white caricature of the "noble savage" in the 1960s. Western Culture, though not perfect, has done a lot to elevate people out of abject poverty. We've done a lot of horrible things, but so have all cultures in the world.
In Africa for instance, the racism is incredibly extreme just amongst black people from different origins.
Though our past attrocities should be understood in America, adherence to the Socratic and European principles this country was founded on should be first and foremost.
This open-borders policy and anti-nation state madness is illogical and will ultimately cause massive social unrest. I live in Los Angeles and I see the strife daily. Here, 95 percent of unsolved murders are attributed to illegal immigrants. It's the truth no matter how one wants to look at it.
I don't want to see anyone raped or hurt that is terrible. To stop this, we have to stop the immigration and repeal NAFTA.
However, allowing all these illegals here is untenable and is not helping progressive causes of environmentalism, betterment of wages, and the push toward a more secular, educated society.
Also for the truth on the chicano movement, read this:
http://www.diversityalliance.org/docs/Chang-aztlan.html
Sorry, but immigrants should only be allowed in legally, and we need to stop taking in refugees. We aren't going to have the resources for this in the collapsing economy.
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your whole comment smacks of the same white supremacist, misogynistic notions you decry. it's no surprise that you reinforce these views by taking the ultra-conservative stance on immigration akin to the far right and their hateful allies.
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No, it wasn't a cure-all for the problems plaguing that group of people. However it does show that lawmakers have not been ignoring the problem. While the situation is nowhere near to being solved, please mention both the steps forward as well as the dire circumstances. A little recognition for the people in the trenches would go a long way toward keeping (and recruiting) some talented people into fighting the good fight. But when even the people "on the right side" ignore them -- well, can you wonder that there aren't enough people doing this kind of work?
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Many people have no problem with immigration, but believe that a nation has the right to choose: who, when, how many, and from where.
Do you think the government does not adjust quotas to reflect the estimated number of illegal residents from each country? (I would be amazed to learn that they do not.)
Then there follows the call for legalization or amnesty or whatever you choose to name it. Any illegal immigrants, (by any name you wish to call them), that are granted legal status definitely do push back those *from the same countries* who were following the law and waiting to come here legally.
In my personal experience, the most vehement opposition to illegal immigrants - and particularly to giving them legal status - comes from fairly recent immigrants. They are always incensed that their papers were held up because of those who acted outside the law. (As they are talking about people from their own native countries, surely you can't call *them* racists.)
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It isn't about someone's legal or illegal prsence here, although this is another nice try on the part of the amnesty crowd, it's about power, abuse of power and the opportunities for abuse that arise from the lack of meaningful oversight on the agents.
It's the same old story but given a new spin here. Ugh.
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Make sure to slash all the European art in the museums.
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All I'm saying is: Don't spit this like it's brand new. Undercutting and ignoring (or not citing) the labor of women of color in this discourse participates in the type of discrimination that you are talking about.
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Hey, I am a fairly big reader of news. So why am I just learning about this IMBRA law now? If it really will have all these negative affects, how come it was not in numerous editorials a year ago?
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