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Rights and Liberties

Sexual Abuse Fueled by Abusive Immigration Language

By Amanda Marcotte, RH Reality Check. Posted April 7, 2008.


Describing immigrants in dehumanizing terms like "illegals" turns immigrant women into targets for sexist oppressors, from anti-choicers to rapists.
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In all the furor over rising immigration rates in the U.S. -- often disguised as concern over "illegal" immigration -- one story in particular demonstrates that contrary to scare stories about the effect of immigration on this country, the reality is that this country is often a scary and oppressive place for immigrants. And immigrant women, having drawn the double whammy card, are especially vulnerable. A 22-year-old immigrant from Colombia exposed her immigration agent using the threat of deportation to rape her, using her cell phone to tape the assault. Unfortunately, as is all too common with these sorts of stories, most reports describe the event as sex, even while making it clear that the sex is question was coerced, and should be more accurately described as rape.

The story has hooks most likely because it's about how a common crime -- sexual blackmail against immigrants and other women marginalized in society -- became more difficult to hide and ignore because of new technologies. But despite the dubious reasons why this story hit the mainstream news, the activist community can still seize this opportunity to make two very important points: 1) Immigration is a feminist issue and 2) The distinctions between "legal" and "illegal" immigrants is red herring to distract from the fact that it's immigrants, full stop, who face oppression under a tidal wave of anti-immigration sentiment.

This woman's story demonstrates the way that the cut-and-dry distinctions between illegal and legal immigrants touted by the Lou Dobbses of the world tend to turn shades of gray when examined closely. Or actually, shades of paperwork. The rape victim entered the U.S. legally on a tourist visa and overstayed, but managed to enter the system to get her green card by marrying a citizen, which all but the worst mouth-breathers accept as a legitimate way to get a green card. Her story shows why it's front-loaded and racist to describe a human being as "illegal," especially when her illegal actions were misdemeanors such that they didn't even raise the ire of the law when she got her paperwork in order. I've managed to drive a car before after letting my inspection lapse, and then got the ticket straightened out by renewing my inspection sticker, an equivalent crime. No one describes my very being as illegal, though. Though rape, on the other hand, is not a minor crime and is earth-shattering enough that it's acceptable to describe the people who commit that crimes as "rapists," I suspect that rapists get called by that moniker less often than immigrants without their paperwork in order get called "illegals."

Words like "illegals" dehumanize immigrants, whether or not they have their paperwork in order, and that dehumanization makes immigrant women juicy targets for assorted sexist oppressors, from anti-choicers to wife beaters to rapists, as this woman's story shows. One Honduran immigrant faced charges after trying to self-abort with an ulcer medication, an attempt that failed to induce abortion, but was linked to her giving birth to a premature infant who passed away. The same article notes that a 22-year-old Mexican immigrant living in South Carolina was put in jail for inducing her own abortion with the medication at home. That immigrant women often resort to self-abortion should surprise no one. Not only is safe, legal abortion financially daunting for a number of women, the atmosphere of dehumanization of immigrants makes many women understandably eager to reduce their encounters with authority figures of any type, including doctors.


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Absolute nonsense
Posted by: brunowe on Apr 7, 2008 1:21 AM   
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First, if an illegal is marrying someone just to get a green card, then it's more than the mouth-breathers who consider that inappropriate. Further, such pretextual marriages are illegal.

Second, if someone is using a person's illegal status to extort from them, they should be prosecuted--but that doesn't make the use of the term "illegal" dehumanizing.

Third, illegal status is a bit more than just not having a current car inspection sticker, as it involves physical presence in a country where one has no right to be.

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» RE: Absolute nonsense Posted by: El Hombre Malo
» RE: Absolute nonsense Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Absolute nonsense Posted by: Tombo
» RE: Absolute nonsense Posted by: brunowe
» NO they don't Posted by: gellero1
» RE: Absolute nonsense Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» RE: Absolute nonsense Posted by: desidid
Politics of fear
Posted by: marchpet on Apr 7, 2008 1:26 AM   
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Another of these "Intersections of Oppression" is that of the "War on Drugs" and immigration. Foreign spouses of US citizens are permanantly barred from immigrating if they have even the most minor drug conviction, while those convicted of other, far more serious crimes qualify for a waiver after 15 years. Watch the way many politicians conflate drugs, immigration and terrorism to provide an all-purpose scape-goat to frighten the voters and present themselves as "strong leaders."

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Balderdash
Posted by: HBoyer on Apr 7, 2008 3:35 AM   
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Give me a brake, Calling Illegal Aliens "Illegal Aliens" will not accelerate Illegal Alien women being raped.

Deport them back to the country they came from.

Make laws with imprisonment for smugglers, employers of Illegal Aliens and we will no longer have 20 million Illegal Aliens in this country.

It will no longer cost American Tax payers Billions of dollars in free medical, free schooling, free welfare for these Illegal Aliens.

Then your concern for Illegal Aliens being raped will be solved.

Howard

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» RE: Balderdash Posted by: El Hombre Malo
» BS Posted by: gellero1
» RE: Balderdash Posted by: osd
» RE: Balderdash Posted by: TheNamelessCity
» RE: Balderdash Posted by: photon's feather
» Deport Howard Posted by: catchaz
Symantics does not change a reality
Posted by: djnoll on Apr 7, 2008 4:58 AM   
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There are two types of immigrants - those who come in through our country's immigration process and those who choose to come in illegally. In discussions on immigration, there must be a distinction between the two because they are very, very different. This article would seem to imply that those who come here legally are subjected to the same levels of abuse as those who do not. This is not true. Those who come here legally must prove that they have a job, have a sponsor who works with them to establish housing and stability, as well certain other criteria for entry. They do not become prey for pimps, smugglers, or other low life unless they violate the terms of their legal immigration.

ILLEGAL immigrants on the other hand have no protections to speak of unless they want to be deported. They cannot get a legal job without resorting to SS card fraud or identity theft. They cannot expect to be protected from the affects of their choices because they are abused by a pimp or a smuggler. They made the conscious choice to break our laws and hide their presence, so guess what?- the lowlifes that brought them here illegally hold all the cards, and like animals who are held by vicious masters, they get abused and forced to commit even worse acts that entering our country illegally. These individuals who come here ILLEGALLY have made the conscious decision to break our laws by entering our country, and while I would never want any person to be harmed or abused, I cannot help but feel that they are not so stupid as to not know what fate may await them even before they leave their homelands. From what I have learned, some even agree to this as part of paying off those who smuggle them in before they ever leave their homeland. I am sure the horror stories about what happens to illegal immigrants are as rampant in their countries as what happens to US citizens illegally in theirs.

Do not expect me to shed tears for them. Expect me to demand the enforcement of immigration laws currently on our books, the tightening of our border security (up to and including closing those borders), and the arrest and deportation of these criminals. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A MATTER OF CRIMINAL LAW - NOT RACISM AND NOT HUMANITARIAN LARGESSE! Do the crime, do the time, and in this case, that means going back home! In cases like those in the article, this is also for their protection, not just the security of our nation. It is too bad that so many of those who embrace the illegal immigration supporters cannot understand that illegal immigration is not only a crime against our laws, but also a serious danger for those who choose to participate and that the laws on the books are as much for their protection as ours.

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» RE: Symantics does not change a reality Posted by: El Hombre Malo
» RE: Wrong! Posted by: photon's feather
A Feminist Issue?
Posted by: Mexitli on Apr 7, 2008 5:28 AM   
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First, If the feminists would like to make this a "feminist" issue then they'll have to wait in line. The communists, anarchists and just about everyone else has tried to steal OUR ISSUE! It's our issue because it's our people. It's our issue because we've been fighting this ignorance from the beginning. Since the Anglo occupation.

If feminists would like to help, FINE! I don't think they can hurt us like the communists have.

Second, we Chicanos have been against the word "illegals" for years now. Almost as soon as it popped up. Yet, you can hear it almost every night on the evening news.

Funny how the nativists that use this word are often "English Only" types as well.

Well, FYI. "Illegals" is grammatically incorrect.

Overstaying a visa is a crime. This does not make the individual an "illegal." If it did, everyone who ran a stop sign would be an "illegal." HUMANS ARE NOT ILLEGALS!

Criminalizing isn't half the issue. Illegals is intended to render a person "sub-human." This way you can belittle him/her.

People like Dobbs and O'reily dont even pretend to view these poor people as human.

Code Words of Hate

National Association of Hispanic Journalists

I appreciate the article and the feminists efforts. But the raping of migrant women has been going on for years. Not just by "coyotes" but by the Border Patrol, Ranchers, vigilantes and other law enforcement types.

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» who are the real haters? Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: A Feminist Issue? Posted by: puddytat
» Irony of ironies Posted by: MartianBachelor
» Anglo occupation? Posted by: Phenix
These are Economic Refugees
Posted by: zeitgeist1979 on Apr 7, 2008 6:09 AM   
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Another reason why the term "Economic Refugee" must be used more when having a dialogue about the immigration "issue." Please www.myspace.com/economicrefugee

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» RE: These are Economic Refugees Posted by: lavonneann
» now I get it Posted by: pfeifer999
These are Economic Refugees
Posted by: zeitgeist1979 on Apr 7, 2008 6:23 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Another reason why the term "Economic Refugee" must be used more when having a dialogue about the immigration "issue." Please visit: www.myspace.com/economicrefugee

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And this is just another consequence of "free" trade.
Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 7, 2008 6:44 AM   
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These men and women wouldn't have been pushed into trouble if these trade scams hadn't passed in the first place. This tragedy is probably just another of what the elites anticipated to keep us all on the losing side of the coin.

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Chicken of US imperialism are coming home to roast
Posted by: PakiBoy on Apr 7, 2008 7:07 AM   
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Immigration is the unintended consequence of 100+ years of US imperialism South of the border.
Since the Spanish-American War, US has pursued regional hegemony over the western hemisphere.

Just between Spanish-American War and the Great Depression (we are all hoping for even a Greater 'Great Depression' today), US sent troops to Latin American countries 32 times. And all for the corporate interests of US elites.

US policy of propping up brutal dictatorships and destroying local economy for the profits of corporations has resulted in the need for these people to come to US.

May be you morons should have thought about the consequences of your illegal and immoral policy.

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» Talk about moronic! Posted by: photon's feather
mean-spirited Alternet commenters here
Posted by: naomi dagen bloom on Apr 7, 2008 7:52 AM   
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once again i read an excellent post by a woman writer and wonder about the risk to my sensibilities of reading the comments.

sadly, an important essay that asks us to look at who we are as americans immediately receives responses from dark, racist voices. alternet seems to receive many examples in replies to posts of the failure of public education--meaning not only schools but all the institutions that claim to shape our values. i include the family and the church.

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» Respectfully, Posted by: Mexitli
» RE: espectfully, Posted by: fork
» Correction Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: espectfully, Posted by: writer7
» RE: mean-spirited Alternet commenters here Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
Johnson vs. McIntosh established that Conquest was a legal way to usurp Native land
Posted by: PakiBoy on Apr 7, 2008 9:05 AM   
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Justice Marshall's opinion:
"...Conquest gives a title which the Courts of the conqueror cannot deny, whatever the private and speculative opinions of individuals may be, respecting the original justice of the claim which has been successfully asserted. The British government, which was then our government, and whose rights have passed to the United States, asserted title to all the lands occupied by Indians, within the chartered limits of the British colonies. It asserted also a limited sovereignty over them, and the exclusive right of extinguishing the title which occupancy gave to them. These claims have been maintained and established as far west as the river Mississippi, by the sword. The title to a vast portion of the lands we now hold, originates in them. It is not for the Courts of this country to question the validity of this title, or to sustain one which is incompatible with it.

Although we do not mean to engage in the defence of those principles which Europeans have applied to Indian title, they may, we think, find some excuse, if not justification, in the character and habits of the people whose rights have been wrested from them...

The title by conquest is acquired and maintained by force. The conqueror prescribes its limits. Humanity, however, acting on public opinion, has established, as a general rule, that the conquered shall not be wantonly oppressed, and that their condition shall remain as eligible as is compatible with the objects of the conquest. Most usually, they are incorporated with the victorious nation, and become subjects or citizens of the government with which they are connected. The new and old members of the society mingle with each other; the distinction between them is grandually lost, and they make one people. Where this incorporation is practicable, humanity demands, and a wise policy requires, that the rights of the conquered to property should remain unimpaired; that the new subjects should be governed as equitably as the old, and that confidence in their security should gradually banish the painful sense of being separated from their ancient connexions, and united by force to strangers.


Basically, America is a stolen land. Nobody ought to respect the US borders.

And in any case, US is going to lose the demographic war in the next few decades.

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» Only America? Posted by: photon's feather
Like Refracted Light Through A Prism
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 7, 2008 10:09 AM   
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or like a former professor used to say, "you don't really realize how low we have sunk until you begin the upward climb."

No, it's not a feminist issue, it is a human issue.

Another reflected piece of insane modern Americana caught exposing itself.

Who are the hateful, fearful, ignorant, poor, name calling and ardent defenders of this freak show?

"Round 'em up, send 'em home, build a fence!"

Would you believe these furious fake defenders of liberty are our sick fellow Americans who inherited the legacy that feared the terrorizing words of the angry and militant Dr. Martin L. King Jr?

But now they all know a half line of the dream he had. Oh do they ever know that he said, some day in America he believed his 4 little children "would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." Those few words from a speech that was not about dreaming have become the conservative's ofensive weapon against fairness, equity and parity. Some day by the content of Spanish speaking character, maybe? But they be damn if that day is going to happen on their watch. And they think they aren't racist. But the terrible disturbing illegal alien immigrants aren't White people.

But, And, If, Maybe......

The dehumanizing of "certain" people occurs because they are considered lower on the tote pole or socio/economic ladder then the low life doing the dehumanizing.

Rape and other forms of sexual abuse are some of the many expressions of psychologically twisted evil in the need department of weaklings. [In the name of the kkk version of a neo-racist Eurocentric JESUS they siezed total control of our government.]

Sometimes they organize themselves and rape whole nations. Iraq, Pretraeus, Iraq, Hayden, Iraq, Cheney/Bush, Blair, Iraq Iraq, Iraq, Neocon-federates,et al, Iraq.

The CIA is holding her head. The Army, Air Force, Marines, and Navy have each grabbed an arm and a leg. Halliburton and Blackwater are looting. The beautiful non english speaking lady is bleeding blood from her body and oil from her soil. The two fluids are now mingled with death, destruction, American economic bankruptcy, moral decay and spiritual death.

"Any nation that spends more of it's money on the military than it does on social uplift is a nation headed for spiritual death." MLK Jr. 41 years ago.

"Typical" brainwashed Americans are still being programed with empty slogans that cause them to interpret the beautiful lady's resistance to the assault as an act of terrorism. Blame the victim. Even at home minding her own business and being gang raped, White racism says to it's moronic adherents, "she doesn't speak English so that makes her an illegal alien immmigrant."

China is making deals in Latin America.

Pretraeus is coming. "The Surge is Working."

China is doing deals in Latin America.

"There's a payday someday." R.G. Lee.

You sure you still want to be a part of this American White Racism thing?

Think about it.

Children Are Watching.

Peace.

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» Surprise! Posted by: photon's feather
Thank you author
Posted by: Lalo on Apr 7, 2008 10:32 AM   
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Thank you for writing this article.

Too many readers are unwilling to consider how labels affect the way society treats undocumented immigrants.

Don't let them deter you from encouraging our society to treat others without hate and force.

thank you

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» RE: Thank you author Posted by: Paul1939
Our Founding Illegals
Posted by: Mexitli on Apr 7, 2008 10:36 AM   
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By WILLIAM HOGELAND, Published: December 27, 2006 (Oldie But Goodie)

EVERY nation is a nation of immigrants. Go back far enough and you’ll find us all, millions of potential lives, tucked in the DNA of our African mother, Lucy. But the immigrant experience in the United States is justly celebrated, and perhaps no aspect of that experience is more quintessentially American than our long heritage of illegal immigration.

You wouldn’t know it from the immigration debate going on all year (the bipartisan immigration bill-in-progress, announced this week, is unlikely to mention it), but America’s pioneer values developed in a distinctly illegal context. In 1763, George III drew a line on a map stretching from modern-day Maine to modern-day Georgia, along the crest of the Appalachians. He declared it illegal to claim or settle land west of the line, all of which he reserved for Native Americans.

More...

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» RE: Our Founding Illegals Posted by: brunowe
She's not an "illegal" at all
Posted by: war_on_tara on Apr 7, 2008 11:36 AM   
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The rape victim entered the U.S. legally on a tourist visa and overstayed, but managed to enter the system to get her green card by marrying a citizen, which all but the worst mouth-breathers accept as a legitimate way to get a green card. Her story shows why it's front-loaded and racist to describe a human being as "illegal,"...

Huh? So she's not an "illegal" at all. I don't get the whole point of the article.

As for whether it would be somehow "front-loaded and racist" to describe OTHER human beings as "illegal" when such lingo has nothing whatsoever to do with her... well, we can't look to AlterNet for any logic on this issue!

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isolationism
Posted by: pfeifer999 on Apr 7, 2008 2:29 PM   
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I'm new to Alternet.

I have to say, I find the mindless anti-American hate on this site to be a powerful argument for the kind of America-first isolationism that so many people here decry.

I come from a recent immigrant family, but the more I read on this site, the more xenophobic I'm getting. I never really understood the "America: love it or leave it" mentality, but the more I read here, the more I'm starting to feel the same way.

You people who talk about American genocide should read some actual history, instead of the superficial and ideologically motivated pablum that you get in high school and college.

Q: Why is it that the anti-Western crowd always says Westerners are the evil conquistadores, but the "natives" just sprung out of the ground and inhabited their land from time immemorial?

A: Most of today's empires are Western, and nobody remembers back any further.

So you've heard the old song and dance about how the mean spirited and stupid Spanish destroyed benevolent and holy Inca civilization. I hear that one all the time.

If you actually believe that story, have you ever stopped to wonder exactly how a tiny group of Spaniards managed to destroy what was supposedly the greatest South American civilization? Ever hear of Huascar and Atahualpa?

Did you ever stop to wonder who the Incas took their empire from? Oh, you didn't know about the Nazca, or the genocide that was practiced by both the Inca and the Aztecs? Hmmm.....

Truly we live in an age of ideology, where all that matters is proving the political point du jour, facts, truth, history, and morality be damned.

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» RE: isolationism Posted by: photon's feather
hateful pro-rape anti-human comments
Posted by: catchaz on Apr 7, 2008 3:08 PM   
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great article, horribly sad and disgusting comments.

one commenter actually said that because these people came to the country illegally he "wouldn't shed a tear for them," and that they deserved no protections.
no tears for someone who's been RAPED.
no protections against RAPE.
this sick and twisted commenter apparently thinks RAPE is an appropriate penalty for illegal immigrants.

if you want an idea about just how sick and twisted some people are, read those comments.

if you read a heartbreaking article like this, and your response is anything other than anger and sadness, or is anger AT the victims, you are a very sick person, and are exactly what is wrong with America. the most criminal illegal immigrant is a better American than you.

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Deport djnoll
Posted by: catchaz on Apr 7, 2008 3:12 PM   
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there are two kinds of Americans, decent ones,a nd ones like djnoll, a person so horrible they don't care if people get RAPED.

every single immigrant, illegal or legal, is a better American than you are djnoll.

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Misconceptions
Posted by: SOWILO on Apr 7, 2008 3:59 PM   
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The Inca and Aztec empires were not benevolent and holy any more than the Egyptian, the Roman, and all others around the world at the time. The traditional world in all cultures had cannibalism, caste structures based on heredity (not bloodline, but rather on how "beautiful" you were or how intellectual you were. If we were to return to this today, our social organization would be based on IQ), human sacrifice, solar worship, famine, stunted growth, and abhorent amounts of incest. People had shorter lives, women were kept in their place, and war was a constant.

Much of this misconception comes from a middle-class white caricature of the "noble savage" in the 1960s. Western Culture, though not perfect, has done a lot to elevate people out of abject poverty. We've done a lot of horrible things, but so have all cultures in the world.

In Africa for instance, the racism is incredibly extreme just amongst black people from different origins.

Though our past attrocities should be understood in America, adherence to the Socratic and European principles this country was founded on should be first and foremost.

This open-borders policy and anti-nation state madness is illogical and will ultimately cause massive social unrest. I live in Los Angeles and I see the strife daily. Here, 95 percent of unsolved murders are attributed to illegal immigrants. It's the truth no matter how one wants to look at it.

I don't want to see anyone raped or hurt that is terrible. To stop this, we have to stop the immigration and repeal NAFTA.

However, allowing all these illegals here is untenable and is not helping progressive causes of environmentalism, betterment of wages, and the push toward a more secular, educated society.

Also for the truth on the chicano movement, read this:

http://www.diversityalliance.org/docs/Chang-aztlan.html

Sorry, but immigrants should only be allowed in legally, and we need to stop taking in refugees. We aren't going to have the resources for this in the collapsing economy.

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» Pakiboy the ideological parasite Posted by: pfeifer999
» Pakiboy the Inquisitor Posted by: pfeifer999
» OK Pakiboy, you win Posted by: pfeifer999
Also
Posted by: SOWILO on Apr 7, 2008 4:05 PM   
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The state of California has a 12 billion dollar budget deficit. Last year they spent 10 billion just to provide programs to assimilate illegal immigrants from Mexico and Guatemala with disasterous results.

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» RE: Also Posted by: writer7
» RE: Also Posted by: SOWILO
appropriation and misuse of critical studies' language
Posted by: efpatter on Apr 7, 2008 4:57 PM   
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the noble savage argument was intended to show how white supremacy and dominance in cultural spheres creates essentially two sides of the same coin for representations of indigenous peoples: good, e.g. noble savage, or bad, e.g. what you describe above. this kind of representation relies on creating a monolithic identity (exactly what you do in your first statement) to describe millions of indigenous people in thousands of communities. i take issue especially with your lame assertion that "women were kept in their place." do you realize you're talking about millions of people? there is absolutely no way to generalize.

your whole comment smacks of the same white supremacist, misogynistic notions you decry. it's no surprise that you reinforce these views by taking the ultra-conservative stance on immigration akin to the far right and their hateful allies.

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» efpatter are you kidding? Posted by: pfeifer999
VAWA -- add some carrot to your stick
Posted by: sweet_byrd on Apr 7, 2008 5:14 PM   
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I see no mention here of the Violence Against Women Act, which contained provisions allowing battered immigrant women to "self-immigrate".

No, it wasn't a cure-all for the problems plaguing that group of people. However it does show that lawmakers have not been ignoring the problem. While the situation is nowhere near to being solved, please mention both the steps forward as well as the dire circumstances. A little recognition for the people in the trenches would go a long way toward keeping (and recruiting) some talented people into fighting the good fight. But when even the people "on the right side" ignore them -- well, can you wonder that there aren't enough people doing this kind of work?

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Misrepresentation
Posted by: photon's feather on Apr 7, 2008 7:49 PM   
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Being against illegal immigration is not necessarily being racist. There are illegal immigrants of every race and every color.

Many people have no problem with immigration, but believe that a nation has the right to choose: who, when, how many, and from where.

Do you think the government does not adjust quotas to reflect the estimated number of illegal residents from each country? (I would be amazed to learn that they do not.)

Then there follows the call for legalization or amnesty or whatever you choose to name it. Any illegal immigrants, (by any name you wish to call them), that are granted legal status definitely do push back those *from the same countries* who were following the law and waiting to come here legally.

In my personal experience, the most vehement opposition to illegal immigrants - and particularly to giving them legal status - comes from fairly recent immigrants. They are always incensed that their papers were held up because of those who acted outside the law. (As they are talking about people from their own native countries, surely you can't call *them* racists.)

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These Men Rape...
Posted by: darkhorse on Apr 7, 2008 8:54 PM   
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...because they look for and prey on vulnerable women to rape. These women can be in jails, in the military or even in the familes of the men and they will still be raped if the men think they can get away with it.

It isn't about someone's legal or illegal prsence here, although this is another nice try on the part of the amnesty crowd, it's about power, abuse of power and the opportunities for abuse that arise from the lack of meaningful oversight on the agents.

It's the same old story but given a new spin here. Ugh.

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I've got an idea.
Posted by: SOWILO on Apr 7, 2008 11:09 PM   
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Let's let the whole country fall apart.

Make sure to slash all the European art in the museums.

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I've Seen this Somewhere Before...
Posted by: lexical on Apr 8, 2008 9:51 AM   
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Interesting. Women of color bloggers and activists have been talking about this issue in exactly these terms for years. I'm glad to see this analysis and this issue in the conversation, but I'm shocked not to see any reference to the women who have been saying this over and over again already while the blog set that Pandagon is in ignores it. Brownfemipower for example has been blogging about this all year...and gave a speech about it at WAM a couple of weeks ago.

All I'm saying is: Don't spit this like it's brand new. Undercutting and ignoring (or not citing) the labor of women of color in this discourse participates in the type of discrimination that you are talking about.

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bob2165
Posted by: bob2165 on Apr 8, 2008 11:04 PM   
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It is not abusive to call an illegal alien an "illegal".

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