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Spitzer's Folly: How Could He Think He'd Get Away With It?

By Chris Kelly, Huffington Post. Posted March 11, 2008.


It took a rare combination of arrogance, amorality and shit for brains. With details on the Emperor's Club sex ring.
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The Emperor's Club description for Alana, one of its "escorts."
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Eliot Spitzer got a perfect score on the LSAT. I'm not making that up. It was in The New York Times. So they probably made it up. No, wait, let me start again.

Eliot Spitzer got a perfect score on the LSAT. He spent six years with the Manhattan District Attorney's office. He was the Attorney General of the State of New York. He has some experience with legal matters.

And yet, to make this last Valentine's Day extra special, he transported a woman across state lines for immoral purposes.

The Governor managed to violate the Mann Act.

It can be kind of tricky for a married elected official to hire a hooker, but it's mostly logistics. (Go to the Smoking Gun, and read more about Client #9, the wire transfer, the Amtrak reservation, the envelope, the key at the front desk, the door (ajar or just unlocked?), the question of whether he still had credit from last time. It's like John Grisham meets Feydeau.) Still, with a little luck and the right kind of can-do spirit, the average public servant can find a criminal organization to get him a woman he can treat like a thing.

It takes real work to turn a three-hour assignation into a Federal offense.

It takes a rare and precious combination of arrogance, amorality and shit for brains.

It would be nice to think that even the lawyers who advertise on the bus are smarter than that.

I'm not being judgmental about Eliot Spitzer's home life. And by "home life" I mean, "sex with prostitutes." I'm being judgmental about whether New York State deserves a governor with a rudimentary understanding of the law.

Here's what he said Monday afternoon:

"I failed to live up to the standards I set up to myself. Now I stand to regain the trust of my family."

And that statement is why he has to go.

The Mann Act is a Federal statute. It pertains to interstate commerce. Whether or not your children approve is immaterial. But thanks for bringing them into it, Gov.

While Eliot Spitzer is working things through with Silda and the kids, he might want to explain this passage from the FBI's affidavit:

"LEWIS (a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant) continued that from what she had been told "he" (believed to be a reference to Client-9) "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe -- you know -- that... very basic things."

An STD is one thing; I just hope he didn't give her any legal advice.

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More from the HuffingtonPost:

Emperors Club: All About Eliot Spitzer's Alleged Prostitution Ring

Eliot Spitzer has announced he is involved with an alleged prostitution ring called the Emperor's Club. For pictures of the girls (who cost for up to $31,000 a day, and are also priced in Euros and Pounds) scroll down.

Last week The Smoking Gun posted papers about the international prostitution ring being busted, as they were last Thursday. The high-priced call girls were rated in diamonds on the club's website:

An international call girl ring that solicited wealthy male clients via a web site that rated its hookers on a scale of diamonds (and charged accordingly) has been busted by federal agents. The operators of the New York-based Emperors Club were named in a felony complaint unsealed today in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.

The New York Times wrote about the bust.

Federal authorities arrested four people Thursday on charges of running an online prostitution ring that serviced clients in New York, Paris and other cities and took in more than $1 million in profits over four years.

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The most important issue: Why is prostitution illegal?
Posted by: Moonray on Mar 11, 2008 2:32 AM   
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Spitzer's folly should cause Americans to review and abolish our outmoded and harmful laws against prostitution. These laws are relics of the Victorian Era and do far more harm than good. In many nations prostitution has been legal for decades and provides lucrative employment for women and men, and no one gives it a second thought.

Some critics grow shrill on the issue, claiming prostitution subjects women to slavery, brutality and other horrors. The safety of sex workers certainly is a valid concern and strong measures should be put in place to protect them, but the "sex slavery" stories are being used by the religious right and other extremists to derail the growing public acceptance of prostitution and should be viewed in that light.

Prostitution should be decriminalized and carefully regulated. Some good will come from this Spitzer flap if the ensuing public debate results in a wholesale overhaul of the nation's prostitution laws.

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» Honest Pimps Posted by: gellero
» 'selling bodies' Posted by: mjglow
» Jesus H. Christ Posted by: jmooney
» RE: Jesus H. Christ Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Jesus H. Christ Posted by: TheLimit
» RE: Jesus H. Christ Posted by: hagwind
So what?
Posted by: nowaybutwait on Mar 11, 2008 2:39 AM   
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Time to stop the hypocrisy or jealousy... I f he used public $ he got to pay them back, if he paid for himself that story is NONE of our business!
This kind of business will never go away, as long as there are humans with a sex life there will be sex for dough stuff happening.
Laws shall only be there to provide a safe working environnement for those who chose this activity.
Anything else is just plain irrational propaganda and a huge waste of time and precious $.
Let it go there are FAR MORE important issues at hand at the moment.
Our country is on the verge of BANKRUPCY... a guy got a hooker... SO WHAT?

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» RE: So what? Posted by: mkdelta69
» RE: So what? Posted by: YBFREE.com
» BIG so what Posted by: lefty010
» RE: So what? Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: So what? Posted by: Sushi
» RE: So what? this is what.... Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: So what? this is what.... Posted by: TheLimit
» high standards? Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: high standards? Posted by: TheLimit
» RE: So what? Posted by: pierrot
I am not informed.
Posted by: DEBKAMAINE on Mar 11, 2008 3:30 AM   
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These women.......are they the young women who are kidnapped and taken from their countries? Are these the young ladies who are treated like slaves? I don't know. What I DO know is that these girls are VICTIMS. I haven't read anything on this story, probably won't, either. I need to get my country back. I will say that if this is an international prostitution ring there is probably some horrific treatment going on towards women. I don't have the answers about what the life of these women is like but Spitzer knows where they came from. Kidnapped, slave trade is NOT okay, it is MAJOR ABUSE. Perhaps this is another reason for electing a female president.

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» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: davescott
» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: Intellect
» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: scheherezade
» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: scheherezade
» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: blackie4aces
» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: scheherezade
» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: john mont
» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: I am not informed. Posted by: foreverhope
It is a low down dirty shame
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Mar 11, 2008 3:51 AM   
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About all I know about Spitzer is that when the Feds were giving Wall Street virtual carte blanch, he seemed to be the only public official going after the corporate crooks.

Since I consider legislation of "morality" a crime in itself, and I consider his marital situation to be between him and his wife (none of my business - or yours), I was inclined to give him a pass - until I heard that he has bragged about busting similar rings in the past.

If true, that puts him on the same scumsucking hypocrisy scale as the Repukes Craig and Vitter.

Of course, it's much too much to expect that our beloved "watchdogs" of the MSM pay more attention to the destruction of the US constitution by the fascists in the executive branch of the government, the destruction of the economy by the same thugs, and the destruction of our national security through pursuit of the unjust, expensive and stupid Iraq war, but sex sells.

They are gonna be sooo relieved that they can concentrate on this stupidity of a Democrat and brush aside the corrupt affair of the Republican presidential nominee.

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» RE: It is a low down dirty shame Posted by: tornadorider2002
Come off it
Posted by: Hans B on Mar 11, 2008 4:02 AM   
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Anything coming out of the DOJ these days has to be analyzed for political motives. And this is one prosecution that stinks to high heaven.

Anyway at least we now know what they want all those wiretapping powers for.

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» RE: Come off it Posted by: whathaway
» Truly nobody's business? Posted by: lefty010
» RE: Truly nobody's business? Posted by: lefty010
» RE: Truly nobody's business? Posted by: bornxeyed
» Wha??? Posted by: lefty010
» RE: Wha??? Posted by: bornxeyed
» Agreed Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: Agreed Posted by: whathaway
» Who'd he piss off? Posted by: truthteller
» RE: Come off it Posted by: scribbler
» RE: Come off it Posted by: lefty010
» RE: Come off it Posted by: bornxeyed
Things have changed.
Posted by: davescott on Mar 11, 2008 4:15 AM   
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In a time when you can go on the internet and find real-life images of sex acts with underaged goats, the 1909 Mann Act prohibition on "transporting... for immoral purposes" seems a bit quaint.

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Bread & Circuses at Amerika Corp
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Mar 11, 2008 4:20 AM   
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So Spitzer likes girls and paid for it.

This is news?

Meanwhile the nation goes into the toilet as a Washington-MSM axis (run by top industrial crime felons Spitzer was supposed to reign in) spirals into another empty distraction and election carnival that will mean as good as nothing no matter what corporate puppet is chosen.

And duping rubes and suckers at America for sham "war on terror" and every other organized corporate crime swindle on the public dime goes on with nary a hiccup.

Romans called this kind of serial buffoonery "Bread and Circuses" for placating the gullible masses. Virtually none of it's changed from when Rome was cheated out of the republic.

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The Real Problem with Spitzer
Posted by: raymondg on Mar 11, 2008 4:48 AM   
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I disagree with the premise of the article that Spitzer has "shit for brains." By all accounts, Spitzer is no moron; in fact, he is widely regarded as someone who was comfortably ensconced on the opposite end of the intelligence scale. And, herein may lie the problem. Spitzer is a super-high achiever who does not seem to have failed at anything he attempted. Yet, the human experience is extremely complex. People like Spitzer who have met with nothing but success often find that they have an unconscious need to experience utter failure. Freud called it Thanatos, or the death instinct. As the former NYS Attorney General, there is no way that Spitzer did not know the outrageous risks he took every time he contacted the Empress Club.

On another note, I agree with other posts that as a nation we need to stop being so self-righteous about sex. Sex for sale is a perfectly understandable alternative lifestyle for someone as busy as Spitzer and his high-powered attorney wife. For all we know, there may be an understanding between husband and wife that made Spitzer believe he had license to engage in this activity. So what?! Prostitution should be a legal occupation with excellent pay and healthcare benefits.

What I resent about Spitzer's actions is that as attorney general he aggressively prosecuted prostitution rings, and therefore publicly acknowledged that he deemed it a criminal activity worthy of using enormous resources to rid the world of it. As the father of three daughters, we can then assume that he would never want his children charging an hourly rate for their sexual favors. Yet, he apparently was fully prepared to avail himself of someone else's daughter's favors. It is this disregard for anyone else to gratify one's impulses that troubles me more than anything else. All of his actions -- even the good he did -- are suspect because he shows himself to be a man ruled by impulses to stroke his ego.

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» RE: The Real Problem with Spitzer Posted by: herronsmith
It's Not About Morality
Posted by: Urstrly on Mar 11, 2008 4:49 AM   
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If you read the post carefully, the author points out that as a former prosecutor, Spitzer was fully cognizant of the LAW. He prosecuted prostitution rings. And basically, I think he believed the law did not apply to him.Your headline reminds us of what Bill Clinton told someone from 60 Minutes: he did it because he thought he could get away with it.

I hope David Paterson's getting his good suit pressed, because New York is going to get a black governor before we get a black president. The question is, will he take on powerbrokers like Joe Bruno and Sheldon Silver and clean up Albany like Spitzer promised to do? Or will we go back to politics as usual?

You blew it, Eliot!

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» Agreed Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: Agreed Posted by: Urstrly
Chris Kelly - you are funny!
Posted by: www.suekatz.com on Mar 11, 2008 5:04 AM   
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How wonderful to open my AlterNet over morning tea and find such a witty writer. If we have to wallow in Spitzer's pathetic hypocrisy – while looking forward to 100 years of occupying Iraq, to a recession as deep as my cleavage and to the Democrats quibbling themselves into yet another loss – I am sincerely glad to have discovered for myself a journalist with his tongue so deeply in our cheeks. Thanks Chris.
www.suekatz.com

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Cosi fan tutti
Posted by: Democritus on Mar 11, 2008 5:07 AM   
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Elliott Spitzer was one of the good guys--a crusading prosecutor who put away the bad guys. Like Thomas Dewey before him, he turned a prosecutor's job into the governorship of New York.

But now we find that the "straight arrow" was really bent. With an arrogance that defies description he knowingly broke a federal law--the Mann Act. Some may think the law outmoded, but if that is so, then it should be repealed. Governor Spitzer apparently couldn't wait. So that turned him into a big, fat hypocrite.

The more jaded among us might just shrug and say, "They all do it." That may very well be true, but when the super-smart governor of New York does it, that doesn't give the rest of us much hope for real leadership among our politicians.

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Governor Spitzer should resign
Posted by: robchapman on Mar 11, 2008 5:15 AM   
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As chairman of the Caroline, NY Democratic Committee, on Thursday, 3/13/08, I will introduce for consideration a resolution to censure Governor Spitzer and to call for his resignation. I feel his admission of wrong-doing is sufficient grounds for this motion.

Eliot Spitzer is facing federal felony charges as a result of his actions. Further explanation or description of his actions may compromise his legal defense.

I am unwilling to force him into a potentially self-incriminating statement.

However, Spitzer's statement of wrongdoing and his admission that he has violated any moral standard indicates his moral and sexual turpitude.

Eliot Spitzer has betrayed our trust and confidence. Supporting him politically after yesterday's revelations would compromise our basic moral values.

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» RE: Governor Spitzer should resign Posted by: Outlander1986
» While you're at it. Posted by: Artkansas
It's not about illicit sex, it's about out-of-control behavior
Posted by: hagwind on Mar 11, 2008 5:23 AM   
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In his moral outrage about the lawyer who broke the law, Chris Kelly misses a few important points. Some of these have been noted by previous posters. Note especially UnEasyOne's reminder to scrutinize anything coming out of the Department of Justice these days.

Yes, the war on prostitution, like the war on drugs, is long overdue for reexamination. However, legalizing prostitution doesn't mean giving a carte blanche to the practices of kidnappers, enslavers, and exploiters. Here's an analogy: Manufacturing clothing is legal. Manufacturing clothing in sweatshops that ignore mandated safety standards for workers and quality standards for products isn't -- and when U.S. companies seek out conditions abroad that are illegal at home, they may not be breaking any laws but they are still behaving in a manner that is ethically dubious. Even if the product or service is legally delivered, anyone with pretensions to ethical and political responsibility should be devoting some consideration to the consumer "needs" that are driving the market.

What bothers me about Governor Spitzer isn't so much that he seems to have broken the law. (For the record, no, I'm not in favor of lawbreaking by elected officials who have sworn to uphold the constitution and laws of their jurisdiction. If there are some laws that they intend not to uphold, I think they should make this clear when they take the oath of office.) I'm 99.9% sure that he knew what the law was and knew that he was breaking it -- over and over again, so it seems. Is this arrogance? Maybe; maybe not; maybe yes and no both.

What bothers me is less that he broke the law or patronized prostitutes and more that he was willing to gamble his political career in order to do it. Like he didn't know that the private lives of public figures are subjected to continual scrutiny by reporters, bloggers, cops, and the political opposition? It suggests an out-of-controlness and obliviousness to possible consequences that I find really scary. Governor Spitzer, like President Clinton before him and a host of others from the right, left, and center, acted like an alcoholic who'll do anything for a drink or an addict who'll do anything for a fix. Does Spitzer have an alcohol problem? Don't know. Don't especially care. If he "needs" illicit sex to the extent that it obscures his awareness of his own self-interest (not to mention his political commitments), he's got a big problem, and so do the people of New York.

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Morality cannot be compartmentalized
Posted by: robchapman on Mar 11, 2008 5:32 AM   
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Many of the previous commenters seem to think that morality has no place in public life or that there is a line between public and private morality.

Morality is our shared social values. If we agree that taking off the suit coat and tie ends our social obligations we are sociopaths.

We cannot live together without the trust and dependability that come from voluntary and constant adhesion to moral codes.

Cheating on one's wife, hiring prostitutes and hypocritically presenting an image of moral rectitude are not acceptable behavior.

Such behavior is intolerable in a public official.

To bring it home, what would you think about one of your kid's teachers engaging in the sort of behavior Spitzer has admitted?

One set of rules for the little man and another more lenient set for the high officials? That's liberatarianism all the way.

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Horny Eliot
Posted by: ibolyap on Mar 11, 2008 6:09 AM   
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What he did was really, really dumb. I think he's having a difficult go of it in Albany and the pressure is getting to him.
I don't think he should be just thrown away because of this mis-step. Maybe it will humble him and refocus him on the work he should be doing.

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» RE: Horny Eliot Posted by: lefty010
Trixie
Posted by: Trixie on Mar 11, 2008 6:11 AM   
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The U.S. Government took over and operated Joe Conforte's Mustang Ranch outside of Reno several years ago after he removed himself to Sicily, allegedly to recoup the money Conforte owed in back taxes. While the feds weren't technically breaking any laws, since prostitution is legal in Nevada, there is still a miasma of hypocrisy about the operation. This seems to me to be one of the best examples of how Washington regards, at heart, the comparative value of money versus moral standards. It was widely reported that a good number of elected officials sweat a bit of blood when revelation of phone numbers in a certain black book was threatened not long back. Getting caught seems to be the real measure of "right and wrong" in our nation's capital.

The dichotomy between Spitzer's remarkabe intellect and his equally remarkable stupidity is not rare. Common horse sense cannot be measured by tests like the LSAT, which he is reported to have aced. It is that instinctive understanding of and appreciation for cause and effect relationships, not a capacity for cramming factual information into the brain and recovering it at will. The same seeming gap often occurs in the very religious, who manage somehow to compartmentalize their gray matter into neat discrete areas that do not function simultaneously. Thus, noted physical scientists can deal on the one hand with such evidence as the actual age of the earth and yet maintain a literal interpretation of the creation story in Genesis. I'm sure people like Spitzer are able to keep what they know to be true separate and apart from how they view their own behavior. Thus, in his case, he could keep one foot in the world of respectability and the other in what many would consider that of depravity.

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Please quit parading the humiliated spouse....
Posted by: cisc on Mar 11, 2008 6:18 AM   
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its like saying, "if she can still stand the sight of me, maybe you....". This is, however, why you do NOT politicize the DOJ (Siegelman, Martha Stewart as worst corporate criminal ever), every high profile bust is highly suspect to a Rove. The speed and efficiency with which the bloodhounds nailed Spitzer does make it suspect. Spitzer, however, destroyed everything he ever worked for and crushed his family in the process-what a shame. I expect that he will have the decency to resign-unlike David Vitter who got a round of applause when he returned to the senate and Larry Craig whose self-reflection is as delusional as W's. Please, please, please quit parading the wives out, though. It just accentuates what douchebags they are married to. And prostitution, yes, we will always find a way to step on and feed on the weak and the helpless. Let's call it empowerment and make it legal so we don't have to have any little twinges of guilt-not as though that is generally a problem.

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The war on terror $5000 per hour
Posted by: citizenjoe on Mar 11, 2008 6:23 AM   
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So this is what the "war on terror" spying and database collecting does. It catches liberals misbehaving with prostitutes. I wonder how much it cost us to do this, $5000 an hour? Another Rove, Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney project.

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» RE:and Bruno.... Posted by: babka
» I miss the point? Posted by: citizenjoe
» RE: I miss the point? Posted by: foreverhope
» Spitzer was an idiot Posted by: citizenjoe
» RE: I miss the point? Posted by: abqavgjoe
One more thought...
Posted by: cisc on Mar 11, 2008 6:23 AM   
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isn't it great for McCain the good-goverment, antilobbyist maverick that he was only in bed having an orgy with lobbyist. When everyone realized there was no smoking blue dress they all got disappointed and turned away.

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» Actually.... Posted by: BCcovers
At least Spitzer doesn't go for public bathroom stalls...
Posted by: xvictor on Mar 11, 2008 6:24 AM   
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....that's the preferred location for Repugnicans.

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Don't blame Republicans
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Mar 11, 2008 6:34 AM   
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A few posters a trying to implicate Republicans. That's ridiculous.
Spitzer's first year has been a train wreck of his own doing. His approval rating is as low as Bush's. Him being "in office" only helps the Republicans......as of late.

This has more to do with someone that he burned on Wall Street.


Allstar Cookie

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» Yes, do blame Republicans Posted by: Hans B
» I won't blame the Republicans Posted by: foreverhope
Are We missing a major point? How come no one has asked if
Posted by: madmax427 on Mar 11, 2008 6:41 AM   
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this "Sting" came from President Bushs Illegal Surveilence "Program"? Other Commentors have covered the Obvious areas about Sex, Slavery, Mistreatment and so forth, But what about HOW this "Information" GOT to the FBI? IF this WAS picked up with Bushs Bullshit Program, wouldn't it go a LONG way to showing the ABUSE of Power by the Bush Adminstration? It MIGHT also explain HOW Bush KEEPS "winning" everything He wants from a "Democratic" controlled Congress! Just a thought.

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» Idiot Posted by: gellero
SPITZER
Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 11, 2008 6:50 AM   
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Can anyone come up with the name of any Democrat since Bill Clinton who has been a bigger disappointment than Elliot Spitzer? If there is, so help me, Mitch Miller, I'm not aware of it.

I had so much hope for this governor when he was sworn in last year. What a let down.

As Jack Jacobs just said on Imus in the Morning with regard to his wife:

"How any woman can stand beside him in circumstances like these is beyond me."

The poor woman....Those poor girls....

How tragic. How utterly stupid

Tom Degan
Goshen, New York
CONTEMPTIBLE

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» RE: SPITZER Posted by: carbon-based
Addiction to Arousal
Posted by: odcherenow on Mar 11, 2008 7:24 AM   
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Apart from addiction to alcohol, gambling, and sex, which are equal opportunity addictors, there is a deeper addiction perpetrated by our society - the addiction to arousal that's programmed into boys and shows up in men.

It's a big part of the masculinization of boys in our culture....this focus on penile stimulation that starts with the "circle jerk" in early adolescence and ends up as a way to reduce stress, which may be what earlier posters inferred about Eliot Spitzer's busy job.

Among males, "scoring" is seen as a way to gain status with peers and feel like a man. It's not about the woman or girl.

Arousal gets sold through women and girls. Look at the ads for everything from chain saws to beer. They have parts of women, the breasts, the legs, the crotch. It's not about the woman or girl.

And our consumer culture feeds this addiction every time it sells media time with "crucifixion" stories like this one. Let the man take his punishment from the women in his clan and leave space in the news for the destruction of our civil rights and economic future.

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