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Rights and Liberties

Could Our Democracy Withstand Another 9/11?

By David T. Z. Mindich, AlterNet. Posted February 29, 2008.


The Reichstag fire helped transform Germany from a democracy to a dictatorship. What can we do to avoid a similar outcome?
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On a cold January morning in 1933, Adolf Hitler was sworn in as chancellor of one of the world's great democracies. While the world has duly noted its 75th anniversary last month, it is not the cold January morning but a hot February night that should command our greatest attention. It was 75 years ago this week that the parliament building, the Reichstag, was set ablaze. As the Reichstag burned, Hitler was busy converting the chancellorship into a dictatorship.

As we engage in the democratic process of picking a new president, a look back at Hitler's dizzying rise is an instructive reminder of the fragility of democracy, then and now.

During the period of long simmering fears over an amorphous international threat -- communism -- German opposition forces were willing to give Hitler the chancellorship despite his capturing only a minority of votes during the recent election. But it was the Feb. 27 Reichstag fire, a fire that the Nazis accused a Dutch Communist of setting, that sent the country on a quick road to fascism. Within 60 days, Hitler had begun the process of arbitrary arrests, warrantless surveillance and searches, incarceration without charges, suspension of habeas corpus, the implementation of torture, the mustering of a private army, and was pushing through the passage of the "Enabling Act," which gave Hitler and his henchmen the power to ignore the legislative branch and write laws themselves.

We are not a fascist country. Nobody is contemplating the mass arrest or elimination of Communists, Jews, or any other groups. To compare our secret prisons, our warrantless spying, our suspensions of habeas corpus, our torture, our mercenaries, and our "signing statements" that flout legislative laws to theirs is a dangerous oversimplification. To compare Bush to Hitler -- Hugo Chavez-like -- insults the memory of Hitler's victims.

And yet, the parallels are worth noting. As the fire raged in the Reichstag, and Hitler was fanning the flames of fear, Germans made a decision that can be summed up by words from Benjamin Franklin's 18th century aphorism: they chose to "give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety" and they received neither. What the Reichstag fire reminds us is how tenuous democracy can be. Today, we still live in a democracy, and we still live freely, as the Germans did before the Reichstag fire. But what will America look like after -- God forbid -- another 9/11 or the equivalent of the Reichstag fire?

Sandra Day O'Connor once said, "It takes a lot of degeneration before a country falls into dictatorship. But we should avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings." Marc vander Heyden, the former president of my college, a man whose Belgian family hid another family from the Nazis, used to warn students and faculty that "we are always one generation away from barbarism." In Germany, it took less than a generation; it took a maniac, a fire, and terrified country to tip a democracy into dictatorship.

Two recent books seek to explore the fragile state of our democracy and they both argue that our essential liberties have started to erode. In her careful book, The End of America, Naomi Wolf looks at ten steps taken by all countries that abandon democracy for fascism. They all "invoke an external and internal threat, establish secret prisons, develop a paramilitary force, surveil ordinary citizens, infiltrate citizens' groups, arbitrarily detain and release citizens, target key individuals, restrict the press, cast criticism as 'espionage' and dissent as 'treason,' [and] subvert the rule of law."


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David T. Z. Mindich is a professor of journalism and mass communication at Saint Michael's College. Mindich is the author, most recently, of Tuned Out: Why Americans Under 40 Don't Follow the News (Oxford University Press, 2005). His articles have appeared in the Wall Street Journal, New York Magazine, the Chronicle of Higher Education, the Wilson Quarterly, and other publications.

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FASCIST STATE 9/11
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 29, 2008 1:44 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
“We are not a fascist country…To compare Bush to Hitler -- Hugo Chavez-like -- insults the memory of Hitler's victims.”

Sorry, but the entire premise of this column is a grotesque joke.

America has been Fascist as defined by the merger of state under greater monopoly corporate power for generations. In point of fact, U.S. and British robber barons bankrolled Hitler’s war machine from scratch. Fascists Prescott Bush, Getty and Rockefeller funded Hitler well into WW2. (comparing Prescott Bush to Hitler is rather easy here considering they were literally in business together)

The delusion for Americans is they haven’t felt the effects of Fascism as clearly as other nations have (at least 20 democracies overthrown by the U.S. and Brits since WW2 not to mention Operation Gladio). And of course we have a corporate rigged MSM with what amounts to academic circus parrots telling us everything is just a bit off but not to worry – “we are not a fascist country” .

How cozy and reassuring.

What intellectually challenged arguments like Mincich’s won’t mention in their own “dangerous oversimplification” and ignorance of history is that not all Fascism looks like bad Hollywood B films set at Germany or Italy under costumed lunatics. Further, the reference to Hitler’s Reichstag fire is telling considering it was suspected by many to be a staged event phony as Tonkin Gulf.

And we come to the most bankrupt point of all:

“Since 9/11, we've asked our politicians to tell us how they will protect us. We should also ask them to provide detailed plans about how they will protect our democracy and our civil rights.”

Documented evidence that Fascism is real and democracy is anything but is at a proven 9/11 cover-up with its arrantly false and endless “war on terror” prosecuted on the public dime. When available proof [from basic physics to whistleblower Sibel Edmonds to a 9/11 Israeli Spy scandal] says 9/11 was more than likely allowed to happen, asking “politicians to tell us how they will protect us” along with our practically nonexistent “democracy and civil rights” is like sheep asking a pack of ravenous wolves what dinner is going to look like.

I’d hope Alternet would think again before offering up such pointless wadding.

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» RE: FASCIST STATE 9/11 Posted by: meranting
» RE: FASCIST STATE 9/11 Posted by: John Annis
» brown brothers/ harriman Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: brown brothers/ harriman Posted by: ReallyBearish
» okay then, a more 'respectable' link Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: FASCIST STATE 9/11 Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: FASCIST STATE 9/11 Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: FASCIST STATE 9/11 Posted by: harryf200
» Kinda bizarre... Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: FASCIST STATE 9/11 Posted by: manatthewindow
The assault on separation of powers is an assault on the Constitution
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 29, 2008 2:09 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Cheney's agenda has always been to increase the power of the presidency, and weaken that of the legislative and judicial branches.

In order to gain the political power needed to make such sweeping changes, Cheney's gang of neocons (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc.) seem to have made alliances with private contractors (Halliburton, Blackwater, KBR, Bechtel, etc.) and also with major industrial concerns (such as General Electric, Microsoft, ExxonMobil, Chevron, Alcoa, etc.). Corporate interests could have whatever they wanted - they could appoint their insiders to the EPA, the FDA, the SEC, and other key regulatory agencies, as long as they supported the Republican candidates.

The best analogy there is not the Reichstag Fire, but rather the rise of the Nazis to power in alliance with I.G. Farben - an alliance that was formed in 1932 when Farben officials met with Hitler, and agreed to support Hitler in exchange for state support for their industries. (By the way, Halliburton got a nice $7 billion thanks to the Iraq invasion. . . ).

As Daniel Yergin wrote in "The Prize":

"Mesmerized by his own visions, Hitler did much of the talking, lecturing and declaiming on his plans to motorize Germany and build new highways. . . He strongly endorsed the synthetic fuels effort. He also promised to halt the [Nazi] press campaign against I.G. Farben and to keep the tariff protection for synthetic fuels in place once the Nazis came to power.

"For its part, I.G. Farben - then or later - promised to deliver what the Nazis wanted: campaign contributions. When the I.G. Farben officials reported back on their conversations with Hitler, the chairman of the company said, "Well, this man seems to be more reasonable than I had thought."


That was perhaps the real catalytic event behind the rise to power of the Nazis - a meeting between an industrial combine and an ambitious fascist politician in 1932. Only one year later, Time Magazine declared Hitler to be the "Man of the Year." Reichstag was simply a convenient excuse for seizing power - "to protect the people in a time of emergency."

Take the neocons and their financial sponsors, and their religious right political base, and add in some nasty 1920s era racist eugenics - and you have some real similarities to the national socialists.

However, the U.S. people weren't subjected to World War I, followed by war reparations, the shutout of Germany from Mideast Oil (a central issue in both WWI and WWII, and today), and economic collapse. Germans were ripe for Goebbel's propaganda about "the restoration of Germany's place in the world", "the fearless and honorable German soldier," and so on. Americans, by and large, have resisted that kind of propaganda (and there's been plenty of it).

Just imagine what would happen if there was another 9/11, and Cheney and Bush tried to use it as an excuse to institute martial law across the U.S. and dismiss the sitting Congress. People would never stand for it. Bush and Cheney would probably end up under arrest if they tried it.

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» Americans are sheep ready for a fuehrer Posted by: chief of okeefe
The Best Defense = A Strong and Smart Offense
Posted by: skizum on Feb 29, 2008 2:56 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If there were another 9/11 sometime in the next year I think that our democracy would definitely move towards a more open fascist state unless we act now to prevent it. The real question is, how do we prevent this from happening? (more on that later...) Can we learn 'hot' before we get too badly burned?

Many elements and actions of the current American State already resemble that of a fascist state.

Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: patriotism, nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, autocracy and opposition to political and economic liberalism.

Clever use of the english language is just used to mask these elements with 'politically corrected' rationalizations. The new reality of our world rationalizes self defense into preemptive strikes. Or look how destabilization and destruction is now called liberty and democracy. The list goes on but let's assume you are familiar with other dandies like no child left behind or the healthy forests act.... all of which clearly yield disastrous effect despite their more benevolent titles.

This Orwellian technique has been very effective in bringing about significant legal, cultural and social precedent. It's hard for people to fathom the idea that all of these actions could be so misnamed; it's a preposterous proposition that flies in the face of reason. "So ridiculous that it couldn't possibly be true so let's not believe it and maybe even ignore it..." And thus, this strategy is allowed to perpetuate.

It is the results of the actions our government takes that we need to highlight not their names. I think that if the masses would start to focus attention on all fascist actions formulating around us we may be able to develop the foresight to recognize the logical fascist end game that could take effect in the case of another terrorist attack on US soil.

The patriot act, warentless wiretapping, the growing prison industrial complex, the increase in private security forces, the shifting of wealth to a small percentage of the population and so on...it's all happening now and we have to put out the fuse that is already lit.

The best way to accomplish this is to stimulate the formation of a strongly motivated and highly visible popular mass movement to create an informed and active citizenry. The very least we should expect of ourselves and our fellow citizens is to become aware of our current circumstances and voice our opinions in very public ways. The My America Too project is my contribution to that effort. AND another long term action to build a more positive future. Good luck in having the courage to act on your best judgment in the coming year. Nothing will bet better unless we are ALL involved in some way.

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» Bullshit Posted by: pdxstudent
» RE: Bullshit Posted by: dannrusso
Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 29, 2008 3:59 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Yes, we will

Government of the people, by the people and for the people.

Direct Democracy

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» RE: Terrorist ~ IF Posted by: Sissy
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: 2dogarage
Been there, Done That!
Posted by: williameon on Feb 29, 2008 4:14 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Three buildings magically fell to the ground and With them.
Your Freedom,
Country and way of Life.
Torturous, Traitorous, Lying, spying, Murderous pieces of SH-T!
How low can you go?
Watch out!
Your on BUSH&CO'S
Water slide to
HELL!

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 29, 2008 4:22 AM   
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The GOP currently controls everything that's worth anything in Washington DC including the military, the media and the Democratic Party.

If you think they're going to let a little thing like Democracy trip them up...

You're dreaming!

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To-do List
Posted by: Urstrly on Feb 29, 2008 4:27 AM   
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There are many things we might do to check our drift toward fascism, among them:

1. Impeach the vice president and president, in that order.

2. Unequivocally restore habeas corpus.

3. Close Guantanamo and any other (hidden) prisons where "terror suspects" are kept anonymously.

4. Quit demagogueing about "Islamofascism."

5. Stop building more and more prisons and give judges more discretion regarding sentencing.

Few things have given me so much joy as the quashing of Rudy Guiliani's presidential campaign this year, but Democrats need to turn 180 degrees from the "off the table" mentality, which signals they are unwilling to check the powergrab of the right.

It seems likely that terrorists will continue to try to attack us, but little this administration has done has contributed toward a proper response. We could start by restoring FEMA and bringing the National Guard home from Iraq.We could patrol our ports more carefully. And, we could quit squandering resources on no-bid contracts and beefing up security in places like Wyoming.

For starters.

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» RE: To-do List Posted by: radiomorning
» Coupla things... Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: To-do List Posted by: lenioui
Their System is jaded and corrupt! Start over!
Posted by: williameon on Feb 29, 2008 5:03 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Revolution #9

They are pushing it to the max.
Concentration Camps and Dark Armies.
If the Banks fail.
It will all unravel.
The dominoes are falling.
Stand back 500 feet!
Build a new:
Life for yourselves and communities.
Untainted by Cor-'pirate' GREED.
Be ready for the Melt Down!
Become self reliant and self sufficient.
Your survival is at stake.
Big Brother has dropped the ball.
Pick it up and run.

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democracy sucks when you're surrounded by morons
Posted by: dover23 on Feb 29, 2008 6:17 AM   
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If the majority of sheeple vote for a stronger, more intrusive role of a violent coercive government, what the @#$%'s the difference for the rest of us? At least in a dictatorship, people are somewhat aware that they are a slave to power, as opposed to, say, here and now in the US with many people believing that putting a Dem in the white house will lift people out of poverty and save the middle class, and oh yeah, end the current war.

BWAHAHAHAHA

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» Fool You Twice Posted by: westomoon
» RE: Fool You Twice Posted by: yellow
Excellent Article!
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Feb 29, 2008 6:20 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is a good comparison of the direction of this administration and the Nazi party after the Reichstag fire, with the qualification that there is a significant difference of degree at this point. I think the difference is that we haven't had our Reichstag fire yet, which to be comparable would be blamed on the Democratic Party.

It seems to me that there are be two groups who stand to benefit from another 9/11: Islamic terrorists, who have to be absolutely flabbergasted by the way 9/11 has precipitated the United States into a process of self-destruction, and neocons, who can expect a second chance to complete that process.

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» RE: xcellent Article! Posted by: praedor
What Hitler and the Nazis did for us
Posted by: Bobsays on Feb 29, 2008 6:28 AM   
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It is always passed over in silence and considered distasteful, but our societies have been shaped by the policies of Hitler and the Nazis more than we can imagine.

Hitler and the Nazis were highly receptive to modernisation. Once in power, they adopted the latest techniques in mass manipulation, technology, infrastructure, science, military tactics, and social control. They executed most of this with much greater skill and efficiency than the Soviet modernisers, who looked like a bunch of country bumpkins high on vodka.

Much of today's society and economy is a result of the adoption of many of these innovations. We should never forget how many Nazis moved over to the US and Britain to rehabilitate themselves as scientists.

People on the cutting edge of many fields, in a moment of quiet candor, would admit their admiration and influence by the Nazi innovations. Think of the Hollywood filmmakers awestruck by Leni Riefenstahl's breathtaking films.

You could argue, the Nazis basically wrote the rule book for the post-WWII period of modern innovation in the west.

Maybe if we had an honest debate about this, we would be able to analyse our societies with greater candour, and chart a more humane future in balance with the environment and modernity.

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» not nazis, but germans Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
How do you boil a frog?
Posted by: makeadifference on Feb 29, 2008 6:28 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If 9/11 wasn't allowed to happen, then we had better dismantle NORAD. It obviously can't do its job.

Wake up... a closing of a society doesn't happen over night, it may take years! (It took 10 years to get to the vision the movies portray of Nazi Germany). Watch "Sophie Scholl" for pete's sake!!! Remember the question, how do you boil a frog?

People give up their liberties in little pieces until the curtain completely falls. At what point do/should you resist? It is better to resist while the curtain is still up, because after...

Many people confuse a democrat or republican with being a patriot. A patriot has no political party affiliation, just an allegiance to the Constitution and the rule of law. The public's show of action seems to be, sit back and applaud a celebrity presidential candidate.

The second amendment provides for the right to bear arms and form citizen militias for a reason.... to protect yourself from tyranny and oppression. Our founding fathers knew that "power" must always be checked.

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» In my gut,... Posted by: Bobsays
Is it time to leave the U.S?
Posted by: zooeyhall on Feb 29, 2008 6:43 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Folks--I am seriously thinking of leaving this country. Things started going bad with Reagan's election in 1980, but the trend has really accelerated since 2000. As a student of history, I know full well how a "crisis" can be engineered to allow dictatorship and repression. I don't want to wait for the scenario that this article presents to see it happen. Things are shaping up for something like another major terrorist bombing, biological incident, or even a small nuke to happen (or be allowed to happen).

I live in rural Nebraska (where I farm) and let me tell 'ya all that most of the Joes out here would welcome a strongman. They don't give a rat's ass about the Bill-of-whatever! Just so those fuc*in' fags aren't allowed to get married! Just make sure the cell phones and the satellite tv work and the gasoline for the F150 pickups and the Nebraska Football is still available! Screw everything else.

As both a gay person and a socialist, I don't want to be the first person picked up and hauled off to the newly activated concentration camps. Shot "while trying to escape" or "disappeared". I've read enough about the Jews in Nazi Germany, the fate of people in 1980's Argentina, and what happened in Chile after 9-11-73 to make my hair stand on end.

With the huge run-up in land prices due to the ethanol frenzy, I can make 300 hundred thousand dollars selling my farm. I have a college degree and 10 years IT experience, plus a lifetime of experience in grain and livestock production.

I have thought about Canada, but that seems a vulnerable country geographically if fascism ever came to the U.S. I doubt that Canada could withstand the economic and military pressure that the U.S would apply, the same as Nazi Germany did to such countries as Rumania and Austria in pre-WWII.

It's not a decision I am taking lightly. I have pretty-much made up my mind to move. Can anyone advise on which country might be the next "Switzerland" in a world with a fascist U.S. in it?

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» Glad it took you thirty years to decide... Posted by: H.R. Chuckn'stuff
» RE: Is it time to leave the U.S? Posted by: oregoncharles
» Resources Posted by: westomoon
» What world do you live in? Posted by: wireup
» No where is safer than here Posted by: chief of okeefe
HITLER - 9/11 - PRECEDENT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 29, 2008 7:04 AM   
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Hitler did not set a precedent in Germany That's more likely to happen here because 9/11 can't be compared to what happened in Nazi Germany. The Germans don't want another Hitler and they understand why they got the first one. Americans would survive another 9/11 because most believe what their 'leaders' tell them. Trust is a good thing, blind faith is not. Think of the incredible stuff that people bought into. Sadly that's the answer. Thanks, ANNA

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I was rather expecting...
Posted by: Bbear41 on Feb 29, 2008 7:38 AM   
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...A small a-bomb to go off under the super bowl. Or in Baltimore, or Cleveland... Could happen any time before the inauguration, even after the election, if the Repubs can't steal the presidential election (again).

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» It wouldn't take that much. Posted by: Artkansas
Could our Democracy Withstand Another 9/11?
Posted by: rdunaway on Feb 29, 2008 7:49 AM   
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My question is: Has our Democracy withstood 12/11/00?

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» RE: IRA/UK Posted by: manatthewindow
Don't think so
Posted by: donl51 on Feb 29, 2008 7:52 AM   
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Germany was on the edge,they'd just lost their first world war,they were demoralized,needed purpose,jobs weren't in abundance, they needed something/someone to believe in! need I say more? In our country,anymore we're complainers,but things are still a lot differant,could we stand another 9/11,I'd have to say yes! we might blow up a few more nations but we won't go overboard unless of course we've a Bush like leader ,then I say''look out world''

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» RE: Don't think so Posted by: praedor
The Danger may not be Bush
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Feb 29, 2008 7:57 AM   
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George W. is an intellectually shallow thinker, and is VP partner is too old and sick to count for anything. What we have on the horizon is a deteriorating economy and the possible election of some smart people: Obama or Hillary. It doesn't matter how "liberal" they are now. They might get the idea in their heads to fight disaster with some "fire" of their own. Unlike the Smirking Chimp, they might be able to cook up something with some real substance.

If you think this can't happen, just look at the folks who started the French Revolution and how they eventually evolved.

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» RE: Good Point! Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Impeach! Posted by: GrannyBgood
Another 9/11? How About Obama's Assassination?
Posted by: Dadster3 on Feb 29, 2008 8:08 AM   
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What do you think would happen if Obama were to be assassinated, an eventuality that I think has better than even odds if he is the democratic nominee.

Look what happened after MLK's murder and the beating of Rodney King.

Obama's murder could turn this country into Rwanda.

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Watch out for the black helicopters!
Posted by: thenearpost on Feb 29, 2008 8:10 AM   
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The far-left extremists do realize they are as warped as those on the far right, yes? Thinking that Pres. Bush is really out to get all the gay farmers in Nebraska is as strange as saying all gays are evil and will go to hell. Neither have any evidence to back them up, and neither are true.

9/11 is not the Reichstag fire because 9/11 was an act of war upon Western-style democracy. So Cheney planned 9/11, the bombings at our African embassies, the bombings in the UK and Spain, etc. Yeah, right. Matin Siraj, who was convicted in a court of law for planning to bomb an NYC subway station. Bush put him up to it.

Yes, Bush and Cheney suck for wanting to blow up everything, but so do militant Muslims who want to blow up everything else. Let's get real here.

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» There are people out here... Posted by: zooeyhall
» RE: There are people out here... Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
OFF THE TRACK
Posted by: crazy carlos on Feb 29, 2008 8:30 AM   
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Back cover of the 3-10-08 Nation--CHENYCARE.ORG
Two Nurse Organizations have co-sponsered a bill in Congress HR 676 for health care for all that is the same as what Cheney got for his heart problems(unfortunately he survived)If it is good enough for government employees, then we should have the same!!

The heavy lifting has been done, now all we the people have to do is get off our dead asses, stroke a few keys and get behind this bill!! Please at least take a look. Type in CHENEYCARE.ORG. Do it now. Crazy Carlos

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"Nobody is contemplating the mass arrest or elimination"
Posted by: oregoncharles on Feb 29, 2008 9:58 AM   
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So why is Halliburton building all those detention camps?

The author is naive, at best.

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A very simple answer
Posted by: EinMD on Feb 29, 2008 10:01 AM   
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No it won't survived. I'm curious as to why you think it survived the last one.

I'm expecting another terrorist attack either on the day of, or right before the next Presidential election.

And when that happens Bush will suspend the elections, and remain in power, jailing anyone using public law 109-364 who speaks out against him. Then he'll use the protests as a pretext to suspend the Constitution because of 'insurrection' and the funny thing is it'll be one of the first legal thing he's really done in his Presidency.

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Uh uh... whatever...
Posted by: EinMD on Feb 29, 2008 10:08 AM   
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Nobody is contemplating the mass arrest or elimination of Communists, Jews, or any other groups.

Public law 109-364 formerly known as the 'John Warner Defense Reauthorization Act of 2007'. Go read it.

To compare our secret prisons, our warrantless spying, our suspensions of habeas corpus, our torture, our mercenaries, and our "signing statements" that flout legislative laws to theirs is a dangerous oversimplification.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you saying that our use of torture, mercenaries, secret prisons, secret trials and so forth are somehow different or better than the same bullshit that was done to the Germans by the nazis? The only difference is that we haven't heard of any substantial effort to do it to American citizens YET. Jose' Padilla, terrorist or not, was still an American citizen. If it can happen to him, it can happen to all of us.

To compare Bush to Hitler -- Hugo Chavez-like -- insults the memory of Hitler's victims.

Actually it's more of an insult to Hitler. At least Hitler was competent at his evil doings. The only thing that has kept this country from self destructing is the fact that the Republicans have allowed their reach to exceed their competence.

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Discovering The Truth About 9/11 Was Very Important To Me At The Personal Level
Posted by: opmoc on Feb 29, 2008 10:52 AM   
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Because The Grandmother of The Twin Blonde Baby Girls My Wife was looking after at the time was in one of the Twin Towers when it was hit. She phoned the Mother whilst still in the building.

For 24 hours we thought she was dead - until she managed to get a phone call through.

Now, I was supicious about the "Official Story" right from the start as it simply didn't make sense - but for a year I continued to try and believe it...

And then I looked again and remembered the core physics that I had done at school and University.

And the realisation was more shocking than the event itself.

I felt as if someone had literally kicked me in the guts.

I told my colleagues at work and showed them the evidence.

They humoured me and agreed - but really they thought I was having a nervous breakdown.

I told my friends and some of them got really angry with me.

So I kept quiet about it and just tried to carry on with my life as normal.

I have never joined a 9/11 Truth movement or done anything much about it since...

Except to March down Whitehall in London England with over another Million people pleading with our Government not to invade Iraq.

I am obviously a coward for not expressing the truth in a way that Professor Steven Jones and many others have done with such courage.

You can believe what you want to - but we are not going to progress until we have the courage to confront the evil amongst us.

Love & Peace,

Tony

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Try (for treason) and hang the TRUE perps, the Bush Administration, on the White House lawn
Posted by: xbj on Feb 29, 2008 11:01 AM   
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That's the only way you have a chance in hell of preventing another one.

Good luck. Odds are the rest of the world will do it to Amerika, and you, before Amerika gets off its ass and ever does the right thing, for once.

Or that they'll do 9-11 all over again, this time, for Obama, to give him his "SMART" nuclear war against Iran and Pakistan.

We ALL know how much they dearly love Obama and hate Hillary, they'd NEVER hand HER that much power.

Except for ObamaNation, who knows nothing about anything.

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There are people out here....
Posted by: zooeyhall on Feb 29, 2008 11:29 AM   
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who would gladly and with great zest go about the business of "cleansing" the country of people like me. Young men filled with rage and Jesus, inhabiting the trailer parks and decrepit little towns and other parts of the desolation out here in rural Merika. Schooled in Rush Limbaugh and FOX news, they would eagerly join some neo-Brownshirt organization and willingly blow-away blacks, immigrants, Jews, gays, "lib'rals", etc.

Believe me, I've lived out here all my life and know and talk to these people daily. I know what they are capable of. They are the same types that Hitler and Himmler used for their base.

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Could Our Democracy Withstand Another 9/11?
Posted by: Crazy H on Feb 29, 2008 1:20 PM   
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We certainly hope not, the first one was expensive enough.

.............Signed,
................George "W" Bush
................Dick "Dick" Cheney

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Why do they want this?
Posted by: RED8 on Feb 29, 2008 1:55 PM   
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Why do our politicians want this? do they just WANT power and will do anything to have it.
I honestly think that there is more to meets the eye. Research Peak oil and i think you will come to the same conclusion as me. That is. Because of Peak oil and its implications the US government is now in the beginning phases of seizing the most vital asset to human kind as of this moment, oil. Global oil production is peaking and our administration knows this and we as a nation have known it for a very long time. State Department even came out with the report that said we will peak within 1990-2010. We are at the peak and there is no going back . The resources wars are only beginning.
www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

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duh...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Feb 29, 2008 3:19 PM   
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the reichstag has already burned and the fascists took over as quickly as the authour said they would...the problem is that the horse left the barn 7 years ago and now he tells us that the door is open...

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9/11 WAS our Reichstag
Posted by: moontime on Feb 29, 2008 7:22 PM   
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You don't want to believe it was an inside job? OK but at least look at the laws that have been passed since then. They very closely mirror what Hitler did, such as his Enabling Act. Another 9/11 would just be their excuse to implement them full force instead of letting the laws trickle out into the public consciousness like they are doing now. There will be another event and it will dwarf 9/11 and you'll believe whatever lies they tell you about that one too as they drag you off to the camps that KBR built.

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Gotta say,
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Feb 29, 2008 10:35 PM   
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I agree. We've already had our Reichstag, and seven years later we're well on the way to being a dictatorship. I read where one out of every ten Americans is in jail. Wow, that's a lot of people, I think--then I remember, the jails have been privatized. Along with the rest of our government. In the name of, let's see if I get the pronunciation right--"Duh Wore on Terrah"--we've lost our civil liberties, habeas corpus is a thing of the past, the once-free press belongs to Bushlover Rupert Murdoch...ah hell, why even bother posting, where people actually say: could ANOTHER 9/11 do this to us--when the last one, actually DID do it to us...

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Not a fire or a 9/11, but an assassination
Posted by: Hans B on Mar 1, 2008 2:00 PM   
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My nightmare - which some may find ludicrous - is not that a terrorist attack will put an end to democracy, but that a presidential assassination will. The difference between Bush and Hitler is that Bush wants retirement. If Cheney wants to go all the way with his vision, he has to remove Bush - thereby in one blow getting an excuse to crack down on liberties ("the terrorists killed the Prez!").

The more so since the Cheney crowd has so much to fear from a Dem administration... They probably suspect that Pelosi has been trying to lull them to sleep with her "impeachment is off the table" talk, but that the prosecutions will start for earnest when the Dems control both the Dept of Justice and Congress.

The next ten months will be very scary. And I hate to say this, but I hope and pray Bush survives until January 21, 2009.

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911
Posted by: jc1234 on Mar 2, 2008 12:22 PM   
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unlike the typical terror acts that are done in random fashion by poor and desperate people, it was done on 9/11...a well known emergency number in order to have a persistent retriggering of the psychological trauma, dread and horror of that event that people witnessed on continuous replay on the boob tube. Like Pavlov's conditioning of his dogs to salivate at the sound of a bell, American people's psychological trauma get refreshed everytime they see 911 on a police car or any one of the multitudes of places it is written.

This is not the work of terrorists living in caves somewhere in some faraway land. Incompetence is a veil made from words covering the face of evil and fascism that the powers that be intend to wed America to. All this time and actions since then has been its consumation.

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Atheist Woman
Posted by: armbands on Mar 4, 2008 6:12 AM   
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The author says that to compare this country to a fascist nation would be an insult to the victims of Hitler or Stalin. The myth of exceptionalism in the regards to governments and mass murders is one that obscures the very real violence carried out by this nation since its conception. This country is based upon the genocide of Native Americans and the enslavement of blacks. On top of this we have continued to use the lie of our 'egalitarian democracy' to carry out violence in the world theatre. Is the author also forgetting the Spanish American war, Hawaii, the support of the Pinochet government, Vietnam, Iraq? Or is it just that war is considered a legitimate use of violence.

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