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Bush Ignores the Law Against Using Evidence Obtained from Torture in Gitmo Trials
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That's one reason Attorney General Michael Mukasey refuses to admit waterboarding is torture. The other is that torture is considered a war crime under the U.S. War Crimes Act. Mukasey would be calling Dick Cheney a war criminal if the former admitted waterboarding is torture. Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff, has said on National Public Radio that the policies that led to the torture and abuse of prisoners emanated from the Vice President's office.
The federal government is working overtime to try and clean up the legal mess made by the use of illegal interrogation methods. In a thinly-veiled attempt to sanitize the Guantánamo trials, the Department of Justice and the Pentagon instituted an extensive program to re-interview the prisoners who have undergone abusive interrogations, this time with "clean teams." For example, if a prisoner implicated one of the defendants during an interrogation using waterboarding, the government will now re-interrogate that prisoner without waterboarding and get the same information. Then they will say the information was secured humanely. This attempt to wipe the slate clean is a farce and a sham.
In Brady v. Maryland, the US Supreme Court held that a prosecutor has a duty to give criminal defendants all evidence that might tend to exonerate them. Yet the CIA admitted destroying several hundred hours of videotapes depicting interrogations of Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Ramin al-Nashiri, which likely included waterboarding. The administration claims Abu Zubaydah led them to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, one of the defendants facing trial in the military commissions. So the government has destroyed potentially exonerating evidence. Moreover, the CIA's "enhanced interrogation techniques" are classified so they can be kept secret from the defendants, and CIA agents cannot be compelled to testify or produce evidence of torture.
A report just released by Seton Hall Law Center for Policy and Research reveals more than 24,000 interrogations have been conducted at Guantánamo since 2002 and every interrogation was videotaped. Many of these interrogations were abusive. "One Government document, for instance, reports detainee treatment so violent as to "shake the camera in the interrogation room" and "cause severe internal injury," the report says.
The Military Commissions Act contains other provisions that deny the defendants basic due process. It allows a trial to continue in the absence of the accused, places the power to appoint judges in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, permits the introduction of hearsay and evidence obtained without a warrant, and denies the accused the right to see all of the evidence against him. Defense attorneys are not allowed to meet their clients without governmental monitoring, and all of their notes and mail must be handed over to the military.
Will the U.S. Supreme Court be able to rectify the situation of abusive interrogations if and when a case comes before it? Not if Justice Antonin Scalia has his way. Once again, Scalia is acting as a loyal foot soldier in the President's "war on terror." In a BBC interview that aired this week, Scalia defended the use of torture to extract information from prisoners in some cases.
Scalia's remarks mean he has prejudged the issues in future cases in which the Constitution might dictate the suppression of evidence because of illegal police interrogation techniques, or the right to compensation of a person whose civil rights have been violated. Justice Scalia should recuse himself from any case that presents these issues. Bush is meanwhile threatening to veto a bill Congress passed that would forbid the CIA from subjecting prisoners to interrogation techniques banned by the U.S. Army Field Manual. John McCain, the tortured POW who led the charge in 2005 against cruel treatment, has now hitched his wagon to Bush's star. Presidential candidate McCain voted to allow the CIA to continue to ply its cruelty.
When Bush vetoes the bill, Congress should stand firm for the rule of law and basic standards of human decency and override his veto. Dick Cheney and other officials who participated in formulating the abusive interrogation policies should be investigated under the U.S. War Crimes Act. And the Democratic-controlled Congress should repeal the Military Commissions Act that Bush rammed through the Republican-controlled Congress.
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Posted by: aharlib on Feb 18, 2008 4:55 AM
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Impeach Bush and Cheney NOW
Defense of the Constitution Knows No Party
The Bush administration has illegally seized and imprisoned Americans without benefit of their trial by jury, has spied on Americans without warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, has lied America into a disastrous war, and has betrayed an American intelligence officer, who was working on weapons of mass destruction networks, to our enemies (Valerie Plame.)
Impeachment hearings against Vice President Dick Cheney are now a distinct possibility, thanks to a recent outpouring of public support for impeachment by Americans across the political spectrum. Your calls and faxes to House Judiciary Committee members are needed to keep up the pressure.
Leave a message for your Congressman, to demand he obey his oath to "defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Act now to restore your rights and the rule of law bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers, which brave men have died defending throughout our history.
Call the House Judiciary Committee
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Posted by: PJAW on Feb 18, 2008 4:56 AM
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Hmmm..., let's assume that's true (even though there is no reason to do so since "our" government is currently the Bush administration, and truth is an unwelcome intruder there). But for the sake of this discussion we'll assume only "bad guys" get tortured (or are a target of eavesdropping). So, we have a bad guy being subjected to torture, and we know that he will say anything to stop the torture (ask John McCain) Let's suppose that he somehow knows you, perhaps you are a neighbor or he saw your name somewhere in a context that caused him to maybe dislike you. Any chance he might "give you up", maybe just to get back at you for some perceived offense? And what would you do, if you were "renditioned" under such circumstances? File a "writ of habeus corpus"? Oops, that's right, habeus corpus was suspended by Bush in the Military Comissions Act, so he could go after "bad guys" and not be hindered by messy stuff, like human rights.
If you still think you're somehow protected, you'd better think again. And if you still think that those who torture do so to protect you in some twisted way, I recommend you think about that again as well. In light of the fact that torture does not yield reliable information, there can be only one reason for doing it, because those doing it find it somehow amusing. Perhaps it makes them feel powerful in some way, like a kid blowing up frogs with firecrackers.
So, what most people miss about torture, is that once it is allowed, EVERYONE'S rights and safety are jeopardized. In a just society, a "nation of laws", advocacy of toture is grounds for immediate removal from any position of power. To allow a torture advocate to continue in what is arguably the most powerful single position in the world, is the most dangerous threat to the world. Impeachment is imperative.
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Posted by: gazooks on Feb 18, 2008 5:19 AM
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They are truly the shit-stuff of dictatorial dreams.
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Posted by: kc10ken on Feb 18, 2008 6:22 AM
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After 13 years of military service I refused to reenlist because of what my country has become. Scorned.....universally hated because of the crimes committed in our names.
We now have become a nation that tortures human beings.
I remember in Army basic training in 1981 being taught the importance of the Geneva and Hague Conventions as they pertain to torture. I remember learning that we were the greatest nation on the planet because we did NOT torture human beings. THAT afforded us the moral high ground.......not any more.
I love this great country of mine but detest it's current "leaders" for what they've done to it.
God Help Us and God Help the United States of America become that beacon of hope once again.
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Posted by: Dboy on Feb 18, 2008 8:32 AM
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Posted by: Quannah on Feb 18, 2008 8:56 AM
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And what is ridiculous about the whole mess is that KSM (Khaled Sheik Mohammed) really should be in prison, but Bush risked having him set free due to the illegality of obtaining evidence through torture. It's a mess, indeed. One of Bush & Cheney's making. So, either way it goes, there is no justice in this case. It's a travesty any way you look at it.
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Posted by: willymack on Feb 18, 2008 9:19 AM
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Feb 18, 2008 9:52 AM
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What is the worst thing you can do to somebody once you torture them, the worst possible thing?
Kill them. And that is what the government plans to do to a handfull of probably INNOCENT men. And they plan to not give the men even a semblance of due-process or dignity before the inevitable ending of the men's lives.
I agree with other comments that say that we ALL are in danger from the use of torture -- whether it is from our names being given out by tortured suspects, or if because we all are to be made very afraid of our own government.
Those that run our country are truly vile and twisted sadistic monsters. History will judge ALL Americans by what happens next.
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Posted by: freshlemon on Feb 18, 2008 10:02 AM
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Impeachment hearings should begin yesterday...and perhaps a war crimes study should be done.
This administration and their supporters should not be allowed to treat the citizens of this country with such gross negligence and disrespect without so much as a "sorry'.
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Posted by: Jersey Devil on Feb 18, 2008 12:15 PM
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We now know that the Hilton activities directors made sure that every day was filled with fun activities. When his hosts thought it was time for him to go home, he disavowed the US and insisted on extending his vacation. John should come forward and admit that he was not "Tortured" but was just having a good time kicking back and taking the wonderful waters at the Hanoi Hilton.
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Posted by: harryf200 on Feb 18, 2008 2:49 PM
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Feb 18, 2008 5:47 PM
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They don't want to leave the Guantanamo prisoners to the next administration, as the truth might come out about how after years in prison, 80% don't belong there in the first place. Not to mention that the ones who do are probably not as dangerous as President Idjit would have us believe.
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Posted by: Ripcord on Feb 21, 2008 7:32 AM
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I've been a constant critic of Cohen's legal opinions
(even while agreeing with the general orientation of her opinions)
I had grave doubts about her qualifications to teach law students the law.
But this article is very straight-forward.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Feb 24, 2008 2:39 PM
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I keep hearing all this noise about "our rights" as if God Himself were the guarantor. We HAD them because people FOUGHT for them, DEMANDED them. We lost them - and right now they ARE lost - because we didn't. When our own Hitler started his war-mongering and demonizing, he should have been removed from power instantly. For that matter, he should never have been permitted to literally TAKE the White House, and the court that handed it to him along with all the others who helped steal that election should have been tried very publicly for treason.
Instead, most Americans were too busy shopping or watching to see who was sleeping with whom on TV and couldn't be bothered. That hasn't changed all that much, and most people STILL call talk like we're doing here "tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory". They will continue to until the jackbooted Blackwater "public safety" officers and InfraGard are at their doors.
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Posted by: aharlib on Feb 18, 2008 4:55 AM
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Impeach Bush and Cheney NOW
Defense of the Constitution Knows No Party
The Bush administration has illegally seized and imprisoned Americans without benefit of their trial by jury, has spied on Americans without warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, has lied America into a disastrous war, and has betrayed an American intelligence officer, who was working on weapons of mass destruction networks, to our enemies (Valerie Plame.)
Impeachment hearings against Vice President Dick Cheney are now a distinct possibility, thanks to a recent outpouring of public support for impeachment by Americans across the political spectrum. Your calls and faxes to House Judiciary Committee members are needed to keep up the pressure.
Leave a message for your Congressman, to demand he obey his oath to "defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Act now to restore your rights and the rule of law bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers, which brave men have died defending throughout our history.
Call the House Judiciary Committee
202-225-3951
and demand that Impeachment hearings begin ASAP!
*What Happened to Make This All Possible?
On November 6, 2007, Rep. Dennis Kucinich brought H.Res.799, for the impeachment of Cheney, to the House Floor for debate. It was broadcast on CSPAN. A sudden outpouring of public support for impeachment forced lawmakers to keep the resolution alive. Democrats, most of whom currently resist demands for impeachment, were unwilling to kill the bill with the public watching. Republicans and some Democrats, mindful of impeachment sentiment, voted to debate the bill, but failed. At the end of the day, Americans of both parties had made it clear whose "table" this is, and that they want to see impeachment on it.
For more information go to
NEImpeach.org
ALSO:
WE NEED A NATIONAL FAST FROM CONSUMERISM !! If you want to literally do a FAST from eating- that is your choice- Make sure Congress knows you are also calling for NATIONAL CONSUMER FAST asap - AND A NATIONAL STRIKE !! This is the perfect opportunity to grow the movement !!!!
They dont care if we don't eat, they care if we dont BUY FOOD, GAS, and products that make these corporations money !!! THEY CARE ABOUT THE STOCK MARKET CRASHING ANOTHER 300 POINTS TODAY !!!
www.pledgetoimpeach.org
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Posted by: PJAW on Feb 18, 2008 4:56 AM
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Hmmm..., let's assume that's true (even though there is no reason to do so since "our" government is currently the Bush administration, and truth is an unwelcome intruder there). But for the sake of this discussion we'll assume only "bad guys" get tortured (or are a target of eavesdropping). So, we have a bad guy being subjected to torture, and we know that he will say anything to stop the torture (ask John McCain) Let's suppose that he somehow knows you, perhaps you are a neighbor or he saw your name somewhere in a context that caused him to maybe dislike you. Any chance he might "give you up", maybe just to get back at you for some perceived offense? And what would you do, if you were "renditioned" under such circumstances? File a "writ of habeus corpus"? Oops, that's right, habeus corpus was suspended by Bush in the Military Comissions Act, so he could go after "bad guys" and not be hindered by messy stuff, like human rights.
If you still think you're somehow protected, you'd better think again. And if you still think that those who torture do so to protect you in some twisted way, I recommend you think about that again as well. In light of the fact that torture does not yield reliable information, there can be only one reason for doing it, because those doing it find it somehow amusing. Perhaps it makes them feel powerful in some way, like a kid blowing up frogs with firecrackers.
So, what most people miss about torture, is that once it is allowed, EVERYONE'S rights and safety are jeopardized. In a just society, a "nation of laws", advocacy of toture is grounds for immediate removal from any position of power. To allow a torture advocate to continue in what is arguably the most powerful single position in the world, is the most dangerous threat to the world. Impeachment is imperative.
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Posted by: gazooks on Feb 18, 2008 5:19 AM
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They are truly the shit-stuff of dictatorial dreams.
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Posted by: kc10ken on Feb 18, 2008 6:22 AM
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After 13 years of military service I refused to reenlist because of what my country has become. Scorned.....universally hated because of the crimes committed in our names.
We now have become a nation that tortures human beings.
I remember in Army basic training in 1981 being taught the importance of the Geneva and Hague Conventions as they pertain to torture. I remember learning that we were the greatest nation on the planet because we did NOT torture human beings. THAT afforded us the moral high ground.......not any more.
I love this great country of mine but detest it's current "leaders" for what they've done to it.
God Help Us and God Help the United States of America become that beacon of hope once again.
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Posted by: Dboy on Feb 18, 2008 8:32 AM
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Posted by: Quannah on Feb 18, 2008 8:56 AM
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And what is ridiculous about the whole mess is that KSM (Khaled Sheik Mohammed) really should be in prison, but Bush risked having him set free due to the illegality of obtaining evidence through torture. It's a mess, indeed. One of Bush & Cheney's making. So, either way it goes, there is no justice in this case. It's a travesty any way you look at it.
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Posted by: willymack on Feb 18, 2008 9:19 AM
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Feb 18, 2008 9:52 AM
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What is the worst thing you can do to somebody once you torture them, the worst possible thing?
Kill them. And that is what the government plans to do to a handfull of probably INNOCENT men. And they plan to not give the men even a semblance of due-process or dignity before the inevitable ending of the men's lives.
I agree with other comments that say that we ALL are in danger from the use of torture -- whether it is from our names being given out by tortured suspects, or if because we all are to be made very afraid of our own government.
Those that run our country are truly vile and twisted sadistic monsters. History will judge ALL Americans by what happens next.
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Posted by: freshlemon on Feb 18, 2008 10:02 AM
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Impeachment hearings should begin yesterday...and perhaps a war crimes study should be done.
This administration and their supporters should not be allowed to treat the citizens of this country with such gross negligence and disrespect without so much as a "sorry'.
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Posted by: Jersey Devil on Feb 18, 2008 12:15 PM
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We now know that the Hilton activities directors made sure that every day was filled with fun activities. When his hosts thought it was time for him to go home, he disavowed the US and insisted on extending his vacation. John should come forward and admit that he was not "Tortured" but was just having a good time kicking back and taking the wonderful waters at the Hanoi Hilton.
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Posted by: harryf200 on Feb 18, 2008 2:49 PM
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Feb 18, 2008 5:47 PM
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They don't want to leave the Guantanamo prisoners to the next administration, as the truth might come out about how after years in prison, 80% don't belong there in the first place. Not to mention that the ones who do are probably not as dangerous as President Idjit would have us believe.
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Posted by: Ripcord on Feb 21, 2008 7:32 AM
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I've been a constant critic of Cohen's legal opinions
(even while agreeing with the general orientation of her opinions)
I had grave doubts about her qualifications to teach law students the law.
But this article is very straight-forward.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Feb 24, 2008 2:39 PM
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I keep hearing all this noise about "our rights" as if God Himself were the guarantor. We HAD them because people FOUGHT for them, DEMANDED them. We lost them - and right now they ARE lost - because we didn't. When our own Hitler started his war-mongering and demonizing, he should have been removed from power instantly. For that matter, he should never have been permitted to literally TAKE the White House, and the court that handed it to him along with all the others who helped steal that election should have been tried very publicly for treason.
Instead, most Americans were too busy shopping or watching to see who was sleeping with whom on TV and couldn't be bothered. That hasn't changed all that much, and most people STILL call talk like we're doing here "tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory". They will continue to until the jackbooted Blackwater "public safety" officers and InfraGard are at their doors.
Ian
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