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Rights and Liberties

Every Year Brings Us Closer to 1984

By Leonard Pitts Jr., Miami Herald. Posted February 12, 2008.


In the beginning, the government just collected fingerprints -- now they want eye scans and a host of other biometrics. Where will it stop?
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In the beginning was the fingerprint.

It was in the 19th century that scientists realized the ridged whorls on the tip of the finger constituted a unique marker that could be used to tell one person from another. And eventually, the FBI built a massive database of fingerprints.

Then came DNA. In the 20th century, scientists learned to use the double helix nucleic acid molecule as a means of identification even more definitive than the fingerprint. And the FBI built a DNA database as well.

Now the feds are building yet another database. And it has some folks worried.

Maybe you missed it in the run-up to Super Duper Tuesday, but CNN and the Associated Press reported last week that the FBI will soon award a $1 billion, 10-year contract for construction of an electronic file that would store not just fingerprints and DNA, but a vast compendium of other physical characteristics. We're talking eye scans, facial shape, palm prints, scars, tattoos and other biometrics, all for the purpose of identifying and capturing bad guys.

But at least one privacy advocate thinks even good guys -- and gals -- have cause for concern. Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's Technology and Liberty Project, told CNN, "It's the beginning of the surveillance society where you can be tracked anywhere, any time and all your movements, and eventually all your activities will be tracked and noted and correlated.''

I know what you're saying and it makes a certain amount of sense: If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Well, I haven't done wrong, but it worries me just the same.

Still, I am forced to admit that in a way, there is nothing new here. The government has for years collected fingerprints -- not just of criminals, but also of certain job applicants. And no one raises any concerns about that.

What's happening now, it could be reasonably argued, is only a high-tech extension of that. Except that instead of just your fingerprints, the government will also have on file the shape of your iris, that scar from your childhood appendectomy, and the butterfly tattoo on your inner thigh.

What troubles me is the comprehensiveness of the information the feds propose to gather. It calls to mind discomfitting reminders of the totalitarian states so chillingly depicted in Fahrenheit 451 and 1984, oppressive regimes that saw everything, knew everything, regulated everything. Given the advances in technology and the ominous, Orwellian turn our government has lately taken, the comparison seems far less far-fetched than once it might have.

It's not just the government, though. In recent years, the right to privacy, the right to simply be left alone, has also been eroded by the corporate community -- everything from supermarket discount cards that track your buying habits to online businesses that install secret spyware in your computer to monitor your behavior online. And we haven't even mentioned that there is a camera on every street corner nowadays.

''I always feel like somebody's watching me.'' That used to be just the hook from a schlocky '80s song. Increasingly, it is an apt description of modern life. Now the FBI proposes to collect and collate still more personal information. It swears that information will be protected, will be used only to ferret out criminals. It's hard to argue with that: Who doesn't want law enforcement to have every available tool for smoking out criminals?

But I can't help a certain wariness when I consider the ease with which the program could expand far beyond that mission. As Steinhardt sees it, first criminals, then job applicants and then, "Eventually, it's going to be everybody.''

I admit, he might be wrong.

But you know something? He might not.

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The Surveillance State
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 12, 2008 12:20 AM   
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My late father warned me of this when the 'War On Drugs' began in earnest when Ronnie RayGun was occupying the White House. He didn't have the Internet like we have today, and just by being observant noticed the steady dilution of individual rights, liberties and freedoms.

The Clinton record on this is not much better than Reagan/Bush I or Bush the Idiot. Do a little scratching around at Carnivore and Total Information Awareness and see what was being pushed even before the events of 2001.

I am tired of the militarization of our civilian law enforcement. They even commonly use the term 'civilian' in reference to citizens. Boys & Girls in Blue- take note- you are civilians as well. Only the Armed Forces get to refer to others as civilians in a non-inclusive way. The mindset that this represents is dangerous to democracy, justice and fair enforcement of the law.

Despite all the Hollywood glamorization and Washington PR, let me set things straight:
Spying on citizens does not make anyone safer. A camera may record the guy robbing you, but does nothing to stop the thug doing the crime. Cameras, dragnet wiretaps and all the rest have nothing to do with making your community or our nation safer- period.

You want safer streets? Tell the cops to get out of the swat gear, out of the patrol cars and walk a regular assigned beat. That's right, good old community policing. The walk would do most cops some good.

Back to the spying, ask yourself why the government feels the need to gather so much information about law abiding citizens. Obviously there is no presumption of innocence with them and that says more than all the PR spin in the world.

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» And Now: Infragard Posted by: JoAnne
» RE: And Now: Infragard Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: The Surveillance State Posted by: MrTangent
"I haven't done wrong..." Oh?
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Feb 12, 2008 2:24 AM   
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are you sure? one of the myriad problems with the "if you haven't done anything wrong..." argument is that what is right or wrong is subjective...what is right today maybe wrong and punishable tomorrow...like being the wrong flavor of "christian"...or not taking the medication your corporate sponsored doctor prescribes...what of my library records that show i have done research on cannabis and joseph stalin (for various college classes)...what of my book and music purchases? or my internet searches, or what websites i might post comments to? or who you write for? all that could become subject to "wrongness"...

my adult children (who are otherwise extremely liberal/progressive like their mother) are far too accepting of the spying in their lives - a situation that disturbs me because they can't see that it could eventually be used to dictate and manipulate every facet their (our) lives...one of them is working on her MLS and questions some of what is going on, but then says (as we left a concert) that she'd be happy to take a breathalizer test on her way out to prove she was fit to drive...and i asked her what else, can they search your car too??? i keep asking at what point such invasion of privacy becomes unacceptable...the other is working on her teaching credentials and tells me all the things teachers are expected to report to authorities - and if they don't they are subject to criminal prosecution...

another disturbing thing i've seen was when i went to sam's club for an eye exam...their full 8.5x11 8pt font "privacy" policy stated they would report anything to the proper authorities that might be considered suspicious of "illegal activity", yikes! how is that privacy?!

and don't get me started on drug testing!

in addition to the books you mentioned i would add the movies: THX-1138 (which now seems to be quite prophetic) and Gattica...

really scary stuff...really scary.

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» The youth of America Posted by: Farasien
» RE: The youth of America Posted by: bellydonna
» Different era Posted by: suprmark
Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 12, 2008 2:33 AM   
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It will stop when we stop it.

Government of the people, by the people and for the people.

Direct Democracy

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» RE: Terrorist ??? Posted by: grethart
» Terrorist Posted by: HeKnew
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: grethart
All this new technology...
Posted by: ot on Feb 12, 2008 3:52 AM   
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...in conjunction with the disturbingly Orwellian concept of hate speech and, yes, we have arrived.

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follow the money, guys and gals. Technology is flawed and can be corrupted but "where there's muck,
Posted by: Suzon on Feb 12, 2008 4:21 AM   
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there's brass" (profits to be made).

Why did OJ walk free? How did a woman's fingerprint appear on a crime scene in Scotland when she had not been there? We have authorities we cannot trust (and for good reason) and companies who are hot to get the government to impose their products. The corporations run the show, so we feel increasingly helpless.

The loose brick in the wall of government oppression is Congress. We must make it clear that if they abandon their duty to hold the administration to account, they themselves could be prosecuted or chucked out by the voters. That is where our leverage is and we need to use it.

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If only we could trust...
Posted by: packofwolves on Feb 12, 2008 5:12 AM   
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I suppose there is an argument for this sort of surveillance (I'm not making one, mind you) especially since it is quite clear our country is not what it once seemed (i.e. personal rights, morality, values, opportunity etc). But, even if you could successfully argue the necessities of this data collection, no one could ever guarantee its safety because you can never tell who will be responsible for it and what their values are. We have certainly found out that there is no one in this country we can truly trust. Would you have ever thought we'd have a president like Bush who allows us to be spied on and who tramples our constitution and justifies torture? I don't want my information stored anywhere because I can never know who might gain access to it and what they might use it for. Imagine what it would be like if the fundamentalist Christians gained power...this is getting to be a very scary world and an even scarier country. Some of those sci-fi movies we've seen over the years are actually coming true. Prepare yourselves for a very unpleasant ride into the future.

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Japan Makes the First Moves
Posted by: charinko punk on Feb 12, 2008 5:45 AM   
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Japan has, as of November, instituted a comprehensive collection effort for fingerprints and iris scans for all incoming foreigners. Hoping to appear aggressive in the War on Terror, Japanese lawmakers gave border/immigration policy some testosterone to keep Japan cozy in the Bush-Cheney locker room. Some people have speculated that this is a trial effort and the database is soon to be made available to U.S. and European police agencies. Japan has insisted, however, that this is designed, naturally, to keep Japan safe from terrorists, despite that all terror acts in recent years have been the work of disaffected Japanese. No foreigner is exempt from the process, including those with work visas or permanent residency. This means those married to Japanese nationals with families. Korean or New Zealand or Swiss Mom gets scanned and fingerprinted while dad walks through brandishing his Japanese passport and isn't touched. Its a ludicrous policy but extremely sinister for the ways it prepares for a much broader global expansion of State police power.

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Big Brother is watching (and listening, and tracking...)
Posted by: nochicagoboys on Feb 12, 2008 5:53 AM   
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"As Mr. Steinhardt told CNN, 'It's the beginning of the surveillance society where you can be tracked anywhere, any time and all your movements, and eventually all your activities will be tracked and noted and correlated.' "

Let's not forget that the citizens of the United States will be required to obtain a "national ID card" in the not-too-distant future. The initial issuance was to commence in May of this year, however I believe this date has been pushed-back for one reason or another. I suspect there are technical glitches still not resolved. Does anyone know the exact reasoning behind the delay?

Also, new passports issued contain a GPS chip for tracking. Admittedly, this could come in handy during a missing-person's episode, but it also has underpinnings of tracking your whereabouts -- whether for your benefit or safety, or not.

Big Brother is watching. He'll even be more so.

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» RE: It isn't even just Real ID... Posted by: parmenicleitus
» RE: It isn't even just Real ID... Posted by: nochicagoboys
Big Brother is Tracking (Part II)
Posted by: nochicagoboys on Feb 12, 2008 6:11 AM   
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Don't forget that every time you make a purchase against a credit or debit card, that transaction is recorded and stored in a database (and most probably "shared" without your knowledge or consent). The master-plan includes, eventually, eliminating cash as a means of conducting transactions. Even the new Monopoly game (called "Electronic Edition") is cashless. Nothing like planting-the-seeds in young minds that what was once an aberration is now just a normal part of life. It's how corporatism infiltrated our government and lives -- slowly and incrementally. It works because it's implemented over a relatively long period of time.

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wireless comunacation
Posted by: wittler youth on Feb 12, 2008 6:58 AM   
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jezz..whats the big deal..i was picking up any ones phone calls since the early 80's..if it aint a land line..it aint secure..but even that went south with the fica bill soon to be passed..at&t off the hook for spying..yea aint that rich!

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The Credit Bureaus knew about an IRS audit before I did
Posted by: DrSuess on Feb 12, 2008 7:35 AM   
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Some years ago I had an audit from the IRS over a mistake I made on my tax return. Do you know how I found out that I was going to have the audit. 2 months before I was called to the audit- I applied for a credit card and I was turned down- it seemed that the credit bureaus "knew" that I had a $7,000 IRS lein.

This was the amount that I would owe if every single deduction that I had made was disallowed. In the end I owed $586 to the IRS.
What amazed me was that the credit bureaus had this information 2-3 months before the invitation to the audit arrived. The IRS must have told them months before they told me.

At the end of the audit- I was handed a note that discussed my right to privacy. As I was handed it I told the IRS auditor "What a joke. You have already put it on the front page of the New York Times by handing it to the Credit bureaus. that may be your definition of privacy- it isn't mine"

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» "In the end I owed..." Posted by: Sojourner
1984 by choice
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Feb 12, 2008 7:53 AM   
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Every year, the country gets more entangled by its american idol zombie tube trance. If people want to believe that they can be uninvolved in maintaining the delicate fabric of society, and not have tyranny, then they are in for quite a shock! The last free choice by free man is the free choice to relinquish his own freedom. When it's gone, you're not going to be able to state the obvious: that you were sleepwalking through life.

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» I Agree With You Posted by: woodford54
particle testing
Posted by: mjglow on Feb 12, 2008 8:28 AM   
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On my recent trip to the US, I was selected for 'special screening' (probably on account of my Croatian passport). The special screening consists of a scary SciFi-looking machine that bleeps, blinks and talks to you. The nice lady at the airport told me to step in and I refused to do so until she explains just what exactly the machine was gonna do to me. It really did look scary:)

Basically...the machine has valves on the side that blow air at you (top to bottom) in 2 second intervals. This supposedly 'excites' your particles and then the machine sucks the air back in and analyses your particles. I really couldn't believe it...they effin' tested my particles...apparently, mine were Jihad-free since they let me go:)

I'm pretty sure the US government now has my DNA on file...if CSI has taught me anything, it's that skin cells contain DNA and I'm guessing this machine picked some of those up, too.
One trip to the US, and they have my fingerprints, photo and DNA. My own country or my current country of residence don't even have that kind of information.

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One Nation Under Surveillance
Posted by: vasumurti on Feb 12, 2008 8:29 AM   
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In his 1992 book, Visions of Liberty, former Executive Director of the ACLU, Ira Glasser writes:

"The use of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping emerged during the Prohibition era. Roy Olmstead was a suspected bootlegger whom the government wished to search. It placed taps in the basement of his office building and on wires in the streets near his home. No physical entry into his office or home took place. Olmstead was convicted entirely on the basis of evidence from the wiretaps.

"In his appeal to the Supreme Court, Olmstead argued that the taps were a search conducted without a warrant and without probable cause, and that the evidence seized against him should have been excluded because it was illegally gathered. He also argued that his Fifth Amendment right not to be a witness against himself was violated.

"By a 5-4 vote, the Court rejected his arguments and upheld the government's power to wiretap without limit and without any Fourth Amendment restrictions, on the grounds that no actual physical intrusion had taken place.

"Olmstead's Fifth Amendment claim was also dismissed on the grounds that he had not been compelled to talk on the telephone, but had done so voluntarily. Thus the Court upheld the government's power to do by trickery and surreptitious means what it was not permitted to do honestly and openly. It wasn't until 1967, in a similar case involving gambling, that the Court overruled the Olmstead decision by an 8-1 margin and recognized that the Fourth Amendment applied to wiretapping and electronic surveillance.

"Interestingly, these cases arose in the context of crimes like bootlegging and gambling. During the past twenty years, the majority of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping by both state and federal officials has been in cases involving drug dealing and gambling.

"Serious crimes of violence, such as homicide, assault, rape, robbery, and burglary, are rarely the target of electronic eavesdropping, which is not normally a useful tool in such cases.

"From the beginning, when wiretapping was virtually invented to enforce laws prohibiting the sale of alcohol, to the late 1960s, when gambling was a major target, to the present, when the use and sale of drugs other than alcohol are the main target, these intrusive devices have been used mostly to enforce laws aimed at punishing and proscribing personal conduct that society deems immoral.

"Because such conduct essentially involves private activities among consenting adults who are all likely to want to keep those activities secret, they are harder to investigate and prosecute than crimes like robbery or burglary, in which an unwilling victim will probably aid any investigation...the invasion of privacy inherent in wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping remains with us as part of the legacy of our attempts to criminalize personal conduct.

"The other major use of electronic eavesdropping has been to punish political dissent. For decades, former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover used wiretaps and other electronic devices to spy on political figures and citizens not yet suspected of having committed a crime. He built vast dossiers on their political activities and personal lives. Special units of local police called 'Red Squads' did the same."

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1984 was in effect when he wrote the Book!
Posted by: williameon on Feb 12, 2008 9:01 AM   
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1984 was in effect before he even wrote the book!

Where did you think he got the idea from?
It was written after the fact with a date in the future to avoid suspicion.
This system has been in effect since the before W.W.II.
When the W.W. II ended two systems were possible.
Either: a Consumer based economy or the continuation of a War based one.
Which one do we have now?
A Military Industrial Complex.
Its tentacles have branched out relentlessly to control even more strategically important parts of the economic system.
The Military Media Communications Complex is now in effect.
Who runs it?
Who programs, conditions and spies on us?
Is their control complete?
Is everything we see propaganda?
Do we live in a Corpirate play that is scripted and written thirty years into the future?
What can we do to free ourselves?
Must we only follow blindly like sheep?

If you control the Military, Communications and Media systems it
Makes anything possible.
Their control is so complete that they have even dropped the act.
Stopped playing the Charade.
Who is Dick is saying Funk You to all the time?
and
Who do you think The Chimp is always flipping the Bird?
Da! Ga Ga, Goo Goo!

Read it and weep.
I lay it at your feet!

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» RE: 1984 Posted by: Dboy
grok and grow
Posted by: siamdave on Feb 12, 2008 9:09 AM   
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- all very true. For a deeper understanding try They're Building a Box - and You're In It - http://www.rudemacedon.ca/dlp/box/box-intro.html - understanding is the first step to escaping ...

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» RE: grok and grow Posted by: Dboy
We Cannot Escape
Posted by: QQOblivion on Feb 12, 2008 9:28 AM   
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Is there ANY escape? Not on planet Earth.
You don't want to have your biometric data gathered and sent in to the database when you fly? OK, don't fly. You don't want your personal biometric data gathered and submitted to the database by your employer? OK, don't work. But be prepared to not spend money (even cash); be prepared to not take a walk in public, to not drive, to not do anything private (like use the bathroom or have sex) in your own home (because the spy-satellites can see through walls and ceilings). Etc etc etc.
They are spending the big bucks (billions and billions) on this technology. (Who knows, maybe next they will remotely read our minds, if they can't already.) You know damn well we will be stuck with this spying no matter how we personally feel about it -- and most Americans accept it. There is no privacy for the living any more. You would be absolutely shocked, even after reading this article and its comments, about how much the government and private businesses know about each of us, I am sure.

I have said this before, but it is worth repeating.
Paranoia is the new enlightenment.

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» Get a grip! Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Get a grip! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: We Cannot Escape Posted by: nochicagoboys
The Future is NOW: FISA Vote in the Senate TODAY
Posted by: activevoice on Feb 12, 2008 10:17 AM   
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All of the concerns raised in this article are valid, but Americans have an immediate opportunity -- TODAY, and not in some abstract future -- to push back against the surveillance state, which is not just coming but has already, in many ways, arrived:

The Senate is voting TODAY on amendments to FISA, the law that provides for special court supervision of surveillance. The purpose is ostensibly to bring FISA up to date, to reflect the complexities of modern surveillance technology, but the bill up for consideration in the Senate would do more (and worse) than that, and people should call their Senators NOW, to demand a bill that ensures:

1. INDIVIDUAL WARRANTS FOR ANY AND ALL SURVEILLANCE OF AMERICANS, and

2. NO RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY FOR TELECOMS that collaborated with the Bush administration's illegal NSA warrantless wiretapping program.

The bill being considered today would allow the use of blanket or basket warrants that would enable the government to essentially go on fishing expeditions, collecting vast amounts of information without warrants specifying individual targets. It would also grant retroactive immunity to the giant telecommunications companies (AT&T and Verizon) that collaborated with the Bush Administration's warrantless wiretapping program and turned over their customers' private records to the NSA. Immunity is a terrible idea, not least because it would halt pending lawsuits against the telecoms and make it impossible to hold them accountable for knowingly breaking the law -- and would, by extension, make it impossible to further investigate the administration's actions and hold THEM accountable.

This country needs a strong FISA that accomplishes three things: (1) protects our national security, (2) preserves our Constitutional rights, and (3) ensures accountability and adherence to the rule of law.

The so-called "Protect America Act" (PAA) which was passed last August as a temporary revision of FISA, did not meet these criteria, and should be allowed to expire on schedule this month. (Despite what the administration would have you believe, it's the PAA that expires this month, not FISA itself.)

The Intelligence Committee FISA bill being considered today, which includes provisions for basket warrants and retroactive immunity for telecoms, does not meet these criteria, and should not be passed unless those provisions are stripped.

I would encourage people to call their Senators TODAY, to demand a FISA bill that meets all three criteria, and nothing less. It wouldn't hurt to call your House representative, too: The House passed a much better FISA bill, and if the Senate passes a bad bill today (which is only too likely) the House will be the last firewall against having this bad legislation become the law of the land.

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» RE: The dems caved? Posted by: Dboy
1984 Schminteen-eighty four..
Posted by: pball on Feb 12, 2008 11:04 AM   
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We aren't headed for an Orwellian dystopia in any meaningful way.

We're plunging headlong into Huxley's nightmare. If you haven't read Brave New World, I personally know several 1984-prognosticists who haven't, you need to do yourself a favor and get a hold of it. It's so much more prescient and true to what's happening in the world now that it's scary.

"What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us."

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Quotations...
Posted by: BlueSun on Feb 12, 2008 11:19 AM   
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From among the many people who have spoken on the subject of freedom and liberty, I offer these three quotations:

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

- Frederick Douglass

"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men."

- Voltaire

"When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered."

- Dorothy Thompson

We Americans have not lost our freedoms, we have relinquished them. We have lost the ability to value them, and in our complacency, we have let them slip away like the mist on a morning meadow.

And, now, ruled by terror inspired by our own leaders, and driven by the desperate need for safety, we are thankful for the loss and falsely comforted within the confines of our own chains.

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Ever Read The Hobbit?
Posted by: Sapator J Cleck on Feb 12, 2008 11:36 AM   
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Smog, the giant flying dragon, is the NWO.

WTC7 is the missing plate of armour on his belly.

911 Truth is the Black Arrow.

You are the Archer!

Care aout the world? Then care about 911.

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Any Blackwater/government/coppig/shithead tries to
Posted by: thekidde on Feb 12, 2008 1:56 PM   
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scan my retinas will have his gonads handed to him - detached.

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SOFT ARTICLE.....THIS WILL N O T STOP
Posted by: grethart on Feb 12, 2008 3:20 PM   
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The article though informative was, in my opinion, 'soft'.
We are being watched, listened to, spied upon, tracked, NOW, and as technology improves there is no privacy nor safety as the spy web expands.
Postings to this article are informative and accurate.
New cell phones are sold now with GPS features (you can be tracked anywhere)....we are photographed and scanned at gatherings, protests, in cities, traffic signals, parking lots, malls, stores, church activity.....all of our internet activity is traceable and recorded/ library records kept/ our banking transactions open to review and inspection/ our credit card transactions monitored ** (I was denied a major credit card because they said they "reviewed my transactions on other credit cards accounts and did not approve how I used my cards".....now, if credit card companies can review all your transactions in banking and other credit card transactions, do you realize what is going on?) and it goes on and on

I HAVE FRIENDS THAT KEEP THEIR CELL PHONES LOCKED IN THEIR CARS SO AS NOT TO BE SPIED UPON IN THEIR HOMES.....This is no paranoia, folks...This is happening now folks. Get a grip

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SSN So We Know Who You Are
Posted by: hole11 on Feb 12, 2008 4:48 PM   
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That's what the IRS says in it's Privacy Act notice. But on the back of a social security card it says it's for social security use only.

Take that IRS fags.

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Orwell's Dystopia Was Well Established in His Day
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 12, 2008 6:00 PM   
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And has only gotten worse through the years.

The easiest and most practical way to dominate any culture is through control of money by fraud central banking (so-called private Federal Reserve Corp that is not federal and has no reserves) control of media (Operation Mockingbird, etc) and control of education that is actually indoctrination.

The same forces were at full play in Orwell’s day where the central bank of England at the financial district “City of London” was an imperial private sham (as it still is) and where the MSM remains as crooked a mouthpiece for the ruling class as ever.

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for more info
Posted by: moontime on Feb 13, 2008 5:16 AM   
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www.prisonplanet.com
www.infowars.com

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Mister
Posted by: Spock on Feb 13, 2008 7:12 AM   
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Ah, yes - the nation whose people know nothing of its history. "Infragard" has been around since 1961 (new name, same organization). I know because I worked for it. I also started warning people in 1971 of what I called the coming Feudal Age, predicted that the people of the U.S. would legislate way all their freedoms, seeking as Gibbon said of the ancient Athenians, security rather than freedom. But what would you expect of an effeminized nation? Any fool could this coming, I guess; a lot of fools evidently didn't. Too bad for the late, great U.S.A.

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Every Year..? Every Day..is more like it..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Feb 13, 2008 4:49 PM   
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With the worst Congress and Senate in history serving the worst President, how can we miss..?

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the ultimate goal?
Posted by: jwpa13 on Feb 13, 2008 8:14 PM   
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the plutocrats goal is twofold A: get total control of the "money" system by doing away with cash. B:narrow down exactly who you are (build a files on where you work, live, what you buy and where).
once these two things are accomplished your "file" will be used to determine if you are with or against "them". if you are a protester "the enemy" they will just shut off your credit/cash card (or chip or whatever device they force on us)to permit access to our "money". This will force people to barter for your goods or services. bartering will be made a crime as it avoids paying taxes. once you are "criminal" they lock you up.
we now have the best president and congress that money can buy. it won't be hard for them. who is going to resist them? YOU?

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And yet
Posted by: donl51 on Feb 13, 2008 11:03 PM   
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They ask us to work together ,to look for terrorists when they don't even trust their own citizenry,yea well you Feds want the terrorists look in the god damn mirror!

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house end warrantless wiretapping
Posted by: whealeydj on Feb 15, 2008 9:41 PM   
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Democrats in House finally said no to Bush on warrantless wiretapping. Maybe the beginning of the end is in sight to long nightmare of Democratic acquiesence to Emperor Bush.

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