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FBI Deputizes Private Contractors With Extraordinary Powers, Including 'Shoot to Kill'

By Matthew Rothschild, The Progressive. Posted February 8, 2008.


The FBI has a new set of eyes and ears, and they're being told to protect their infrastructure at any cost. They can even kill without repercussion.
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Today, more than 23,000 representatives of private industry are working quietly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The members of this rapidly growing group, called InfraGard, receive secret warnings of terrorist threats before the public does -- and, at least on one occasion, before elected officials. In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU. But there may be more to it than that. One business executive, who showed me his InfraGard card, told me they have permission to "shoot to kill" in the event of martial law. InfraGard is "a child of the FBI," says Michael Hershman, the chairman of the advisory board of the InfraGard National Members Alliance and CEO of the Fairfax Group, an international consulting firm.

InfraGard started in Cleveland back in 1996, when the private sector there cooperated with the FBI to investigate cyber threats.

"Then the FBI cloned it," says Phyllis Schneck, chairman of the board of directors of the InfraGard National Members Alliance, and the prime mover behind the growth of InfraGard over the last several years.

InfraGard itself is still an FBI operation, with FBI agents in each state overseeing the local InfraGard chapters. (There are now eighty-six of them.) The alliance is a nonprofit organization of private sector InfraGard members.

"We are the owners, operators, and experts of our critical infrastructure, from the CEO of a large company in agriculture or high finance to the guy who turns the valve at the water utility," says Schneck, who by day is the vice president of research integration at Secure Computing.

"At its most basic level, InfraGard is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the private sector," the InfraGard website states. "InfraGard chapters are geographically linked with FBI Field Office territories."

In November 2001, InfraGard had around 1,700 members. As of late January, InfraGard had 23,682 members, according to its website, www.infragard.net, which adds that "350 of our nation's Fortune 500 have a representative in InfraGard."

To join, each person must be sponsored by "an existing InfraGard member, chapter, or partner organization." The FBI then vets the applicant. On the application form, prospective members are asked which aspect of the critical infrastructure their organization deals with. These include: agriculture, banking and finance, the chemical industry, defense, energy, food, information and telecommunications, law enforcement, public health, and transportation.

FBI Director Robert Mueller addressed an InfraGard convention on August 9, 2005. At that time, the group had less than half as many members as it does today. "To date, there are more than 11,000 members of InfraGard," he said. "From our perspective that amounts to 11,000 contacts . . . and 11,000 partners in our mission to protect America." He added a little later, "Those of you in the private sector are the first line of defense."

He urged InfraGard members to contact the FBI if they "note suspicious activity or an unusual event." And he said they could sic the FBI on "disgruntled employees who will use knowledge gained on the job against their employers."

In an interview with InfraGard after the conference, which is featured prominently on the InfraGard members' website, Mueller says: "It's a great program."

The ACLU is not so sanguine.

"There is evidence that InfraGard may be closer to a corporate TIPS program, turning private-sector corporations -- some of which may be in a position to observe the activities of millions of individual customers -- into surrogate eyes and ears for the FBI," the ACLU warned in its August 2004 report The Surveillance-Industrial Complex: How the American Government Is Conscripting Businesses and Individuals in the Construction of a Surveillance Society.

InfraGard is not readily accessible to the general public. Its communications with the FBI and Homeland Security are beyond the reach of the Freedom of Information Act under the "trade secrets" exemption, its website says. And any conversation with the public or the media is supposed to be carefully rehearsed.

"The interests of InfraGard must be protected whenever presented to non-InfraGard members," the website states. "During interviews with members of the press, controlling the image of InfraGard being presented can be difficult. Proper preparation for the interview will minimize the risk of embarrassment. . . . The InfraGard leadership and the local FBI representative should review the submitted questions, agree on the predilection of the answers, and identify the appropriate interviewee. . . . Tailor answers to the expected audience. . . . Questions concerning sensitive information should be avoided."


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Matthew Rothschild is the editor of The Progressive.

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Posted by: jdogg333 on Feb 8, 2008 12:32 AM   
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This has the distinct odor of fascism to me.

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» This is just SO WRONG! Posted by: Artkansas
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» RE: Yikes Posted by: the man with a dog
What happens when (not if!) martial law is declared?
Posted by: jingles on Feb 8, 2008 12:56 AM   
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What plans are in place by the fascists (don't know of a better word) and what should the citizen do when Bush declares martial law (this mid to late summer ??) ?
thanks

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» Terrorist Posted by: HeKnew
» RE: Here's my idea Posted by: Jasonix
» RE: Here's my idea Posted by: radiomorning
Anti-terror posse
Posted by: Lector on Feb 8, 2008 1:08 AM   
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So if an Infragard member having a drink with Joe at the bar who says his neighbor (whom he has a grudge against) is acting suspicious, the Infragard member notifies the FBI or maybe he just shoots him dead to cut through all the bureaucracy.

Put on your tin foil hat and take a ride…actually this is not news. But as a corollary to this, Disney World began using a biometric pass system in 2005 and claims the technology reduces wait times and prevents ticket fraud from occurring in the form of the re-sale of multiday passes. Newt Gingrich, in an article published July 2007 and entitled “Report from the World That Works, Part II” posited that the world would be a better place if our federal government were more like Disney World. The difference between Disney World and the federal government is that there are certain, basic principles that Disney understands. And those are: the loss of our citizen’s privacy and liberty in the never-ending search for “security” and a false sense of Utopia.

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» RE: Anti-terror posse Posted by: ankhet
» This ISN'T Disney World? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» "...keep the KIDDIES safe..." Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
The good side
Posted by: mbruton on Feb 8, 2008 1:18 AM   
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The good side is that these guys are so far outside the law that obviously we as citizens can torture and kill them with impunity. Bring em on. I'm ready.

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» Interesting Posted by: marid
» RE: The good side Posted by: donl51
» RE: The good side Posted by: carney
» RE: The good side Posted by: ALANHESTER
"Forced to Kill" is a Joke Under Corporate Fascism
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 8, 2008 1:29 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sadly, it's a joke on the public for this brand of insanity.

The Supreme Court of folly has already given our glorious police state authorities immunity for anything they take (i.e. steal) from citizens on the job.

The slippery slope is now a greased slide.

How long before Fascism is in the open and even the pretense of democracy is dropped?

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» Terrorist Posted by: HeKnew
It will not matter
Posted by: compu on Feb 8, 2008 1:37 AM   
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How many storm trops they put on the ground.
With 250 million guns the nation households
own,if deppresion comes we will eat those babies
in no time.

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» RE: How many Posted by: bitsfick
» RE: It will not matter Posted by: FAITHCARR
Okay to kill cops and mercenaries.
Posted by: mbruton on Feb 8, 2008 1:56 AM   
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U.S. soldiers, cops, and mercenaries. It's okay to kill them all since all law has been suspended. With no Constitution the law of the land has been surpassed. There is now, in effect no law at all in the US. When the Constitution is dead their is no social contract which gives law moral credence. Please break the law in any way you see fit just as our "leaders" do, kill, rob, rape, it's all good.

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When Martial law is declared.
Posted by: mbruton on Feb 8, 2008 1:59 AM   
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When martial law is declared kill cops, politicians, and mercenaries as fast as you can since the government will do the same to you as fast as it can. That is the nature of martial law.

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» RE: When Martial law is declared. Posted by: ALANHESTER
As they say the road to hell is made from good intentions...
Posted by: cordas on Feb 8, 2008 2:03 AM   
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Seriously I can see a lot of potentail for good in this idea, although I would say it should be a broader goverment link than just the FBI.

Look at the chaos after Katrina where FEMA didn't know its arse from its elbow... a goverment list of recognised companies in key areas is something that seemed obvious. The goverment should have lists of private companies, institutions and people who it can turn to in times of need, it should also have contacts within those organisations that have the power to be able to act quickly.

Ok thats the good idea... the fact this seems to be run like an old boys club is ridiculous, the fact that an investment banker gets told of a threat to a state before the goverment is beyond farce, that these "business class" members of society have a hot line to the FBI and can call in favours such as investigating a "troublesome" employee beggars belief... the image that sprins to mind is one of the Salem Witch Trails and the Spannish inquesition... we don't like you so we are going to find out anything you have ever done wrong...

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Sounds like...
Posted by: chomsky on Feb 8, 2008 2:34 AM   
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Sounds like...

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» RE: Sounds like... Posted by: progressive farmer ME
There it is
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Feb 8, 2008 3:35 AM   
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Parallel state owned by corporate power.
Everything's at its place.
Some days ago I talked about parallel military and parallel intelligence at bush/cheney and his backers service. I also said that a real intelligence work by the legal and people's controlled intelligence agencies should mean spying on those fellows, for your nation's sake.
Fact is that, by now, you really have two states in USA.
One is public and more or less (perhaps more to the "less" side) owned by the People. The other, entirely owned by corporate power.
The question now is: are they going to collide?
There are two possible sceneries here:
1- The future "public" governments try to get things back into place and, probably, the low temperature low speed coup d'état you are living right now will extend to civil war level, of uncertain decision.
2- The future "public" governments keep complying with this "private" escalade and the "official" state is absorbed by the informal one. Than, a new form of fascim will be born.
Either way, hard times are to come for you and the rest of the world.
You know, one day all that corporate power will become multinational (blackwater style)and all the world will be waging an "insurgency" war against them.
The worst nightamrish sci-fi previsions are becoming a probable political equation. Creepy !
The problem is I dont think the next government will be willing, or if willing, able, to stop this private state's raising.
Citizens from BRATTLEBORO, VE, be alert ! One day you will suffer a raid that will kill you all: Afterwards the perpetrators will accuse bin laden of doing it, in order to implement some more liberties-killing act.

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» RE: There it is Posted by: ankhet
It is also a certainty...
Posted by: ot on Feb 8, 2008 3:39 AM   
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...that private security companies, such as Blackwater who are currently cutting their teeth in Iraq, will form the Schutzstaffel of InfraGard when the time comes. You can bet on it. But don't worry, it's for your own good!

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» RE: It is also a certainty... Posted by: nochicagoboys
The fascists are organized - we are not
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Feb 8, 2008 3:42 AM   
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In times past, we had unions. In the 60's we had the antiwar and civil rights marches.

For now we have the net.

For now.

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» Terrorist Posted by: HeKnew
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: StrayCat
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: donnee
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: sixpack
Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 8, 2008 3:49 AM   
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We're agreed, then.

We're united.

Martial law is the final straw.

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» RE: Terrorist Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: Dboy
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: dogman44
» RE: Terrorist GET A GRIP! Posted by: maribelle
The complete fascist story.
Posted by: leland61 on Feb 8, 2008 3:55 AM   
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"At its most basic level, InfraGard is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the private sector," the InfraGard website states. "InfraGard chapters are geographically linked with FBI Field Office territories."

This is pure and unadulterated fascism, just in case anyone doesn't understand what fascism really is.

One can include WTO, GATT, NAFTA, IMF, World Bank, as crucial instrumentalities of a world-wide fascism.

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Thanks to the author...
Posted by: bobtr900 on Feb 8, 2008 3:57 AM   
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...of this article for the heads up. I live in Cleveland and now I know that as soon as martial law is declred they can shoot on sight any one they choose to think is a terrorist.
The right wing hate machine is rampant. Anyone who is not a Rethug is just cannon fodder.
STOP the world I want to get off. Nazism and Fascism are with us once again and right here in the USA. Now they are going to commercialize and privatize killing.
And the two mega religions, including Catholicism my religion, that support the Rethug party must be satisfied with themselves. Off goes another email to Bishop Lennon to remind him of what he has wrought, namely, the unleashing of hate.

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» RE: Thanks to the author... Posted by: lucillebh
Take a deep breath...
Posted by: n7ekg on Feb 8, 2008 3:58 AM   
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I've been in and out of law enforcement and SAR and disaster services for the last 30 years. I've worked with the Bureau on terrorism cases, and I can tell you, this whole thing is pretty much blown out of proportion. Sure, if you're a member of InfraGard you'll probably be able to get past police lines to help restore essential services in an emergency, but that's not because you're a member of some good-old-boy's-club! You're also not going to be able to carry a sidearm out in public without a badge to go along with it, and you're certainly not going to be able to gun down people with impunity - even the ATF can't get away with that! An InfraGard card isn't a gold badge, and anyone who thinks so is in for an eventual rude awakening when they find themselves in jail for pulling some stunt because they think InfraGard confers them with some sort of law enforcement ability. On the other hand, if you take out some guy who's planting bombs at your local electric substation, you're probably going to wind up getting a medal the size of a soup plate without a whole lot of questions being asked, InfraGard or not.

The whole slant of the story sounds like it was written by some 20-year-old staffer who hasn't a clue as to how law enforcement works and how public-private partnerships work. There are some lines that you just don't cross, and confusing the difference between "helping law enforcement" and "being law enforcement" is one of them - in fact, crossing that line is a great way for the "helper" to wind up in a jail cell right beside the terrorist he's trying to stop.

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salamah mahdi
Posted by: salamah on Feb 8, 2008 4:05 AM   
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It's coming and Dubya and his thugs are smirking and pointing their middle fingers upwards in the faces of 98% of Americans; the meek, the docile and the lazy. Proof that 98% of Americans are exactly as I have described them? What else could they be, because one half of the 98% have just chosen Mccain whose running partner will be Lieberman (Wow to Invasion of Iran) AND the other half will nominate Hillary! To get an idea of what Americans will have to suffer under any one of these right of the right pugnacious conservatives, they should somehow get to by-pass the CENSORING in place and find out what Blackwater and other Private thugs of MOD and CIA are doing in Iraq. "Americans,Welcome to the Heaven which the 2% CONSERVATIVES amongst you are taking you into where Beelzebubs are welcoming door keepers! There is still time, perhaps very little time, to do something!"

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» RE: salamah mahdi Posted by: Gladia
ahhh, the power of paranoia...
Posted by: ellie on Feb 8, 2008 4:10 AM   
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most people who come to this site are reasonable people, fairly schooled in the constitution and bill of rights... I agree with the ACLU but in louder terms... NO,NO,NO!!!!!

remember this country was founded on terrorism, many are the descendants of terrorists, time to get the game face on, saddle up and be ready for kickoff before the next election....

ps... remember, terrorism is a mindset, not a physical thing, this article exposes psyops at it's finest, or at least it's clumsiest... another blunder from Pennsylvania Avenue... geez, they can't seem to dream up believable shock and awe anymore, people are getting hip to the constant barrage of stupidity...

as to this new team of boy scouts, luckily most are probably unable to carry out new marching orders, trading a pen or spreadsheet for a weapon, but the ID card sure looks fancy...

back to coffee...

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» RE: ahhh, the power of paranoia... Posted by: progressive farmer ME
» RE: The wisdom of paranoia... Posted by: luckypuck
» RE: The wisdom of paranoia... Posted by: 2dogarage
The Emancipation Proclamation By The United Communitiies of America!
Posted by: williameon on Feb 8, 2008 4:27 AM   
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The Giant (Gulliver) Awakens!

We have been:
Penned
Cattle prodded
Poisoned
Lied to
Spied on
Bulldozed
Robbed
and
Assassinated
Long Enough.

It's over.

Their Filthy, Dirty,
Corrupt, Polluting
System of GREED
Is Self Destructing
As we watch

Now they want to take it up a notch.
Full and total, Blatant Fascism.
Out from the shadows and finally into the light.
Enjoy the Show.
The New Reality Show
Cor‘pirate’ Self Destruction
Corpirates eaten by Parasites.
From the inside out.

The veils become transparent.
One by one
The dominoes fall
The Repression Lifts
Like a house of cards it’s falling apart.

A Millennium of Hypnotic Conditioning and
Propaganda is coming to:
The End!

They would rather destroy themselves and us
Rather then set us free.
Offer no resistance!
It will only make them stronger.
They have all the weapons anyway.
It is the only game they are good at!
Brutality and War.
If we let them pull us down into the gutter with them,
They have WON!

We would become what we hate.
What they are!
THEM!

We have more important things to do besides dwelling in the past.
The future is finally ours and much more important work has to be done.
The possibilities are endless and the rewards great.
Our whole system has to revamped from a
Centralized version to: A totally Decentralized One.
They have gotten us this far and
Now we must take it the rest of the way.
An Economic Renaissance.
The totally diversification and decentralization of:
Energy, Food, Education and Manufacturing production.
Local is better, fresher, healthier and energy conserving.
Self reliance and self sufficiency is the key.
Set the good example.
Take the best of what we know and use it to create something better.
Let’s give our positive, intuitive, creative process a free hand and a blank canvas to work on.
Provide the resources, cooperation, manpower and time to create something
Grand!
A Free Country.
One for all and All for One.

Two paths diverged in the yellow woods and being a free citizen.
We will take the path less traveled.

We must stay true to our Ideals!
They have gotten us this far and are strong enough to take us the rest of the way.
Relying on what we know and Love.

These Positive Creative Ideals!
Cooperation, Brotherly Love, Peacefulness,
Patience, Helpfulness and True Compassion.

It is over.
Just sit back and relax.
All that is left is a lot of Postulating.

Sorry,
You must go!
and
We must stay.

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» The Proclamation! Posted by: williameon
The Bush...
Posted by: bobtr900 on Feb 8, 2008 4:51 AM   
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...family tried to take over the government in 1934.
The Catholic Church, my religion, aligned itself with Hitler and the Nazis in 1933, Reichskonkordat of 1933. Now the Church is aligned with Bush and the Rethug party. Do we all remember Kristallnacht9breaking windows in homes and shops to intimidate); and the night of the long knives(executions for political reasons). Do we recall the Hitler youth group, who spied on and reported anyone to the Gestapo. They reported their neighbors and even family members to the Gestapo. Once again my religion is coming down on the wrong side of all of this mess. Back then it was alignd with Hitler and the Nazis and now it is aligned with Bush(Booosh) and the Rethugs.

Does anyone see any similarities? The right wing hate groups and their haters grow ever bolder.

Stop the world, I want to get off.

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» RE: The Bush... Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon
» RE: The Bush... Posted by: bornxeyed
Cheneyize the swine!
Posted by: Knowmad on Feb 8, 2008 5:08 AM   
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If you Americans are serious about fighting back against this latest 'Blackwater in disguise', I suggest you really bone up on your marksmanship. This is because - probably due to your hard-working tax dollars - these sad Rambo wannabes all sporting full body armour, which means you're going to have to try for a face shot if you're going to "git them afore they git you."

Luckily, I believe you have a high-ranking official who's an expert at this. I've heard he can even make the shot when he's drunk and on drugs!

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» sabotage Posted by: wagadog
» RE: Just like to zombie movies Posted by: kungfoofighterx
» RE: Cheneyize the swine! Posted by: ALANHESTER
how
Posted by: Philor on Feb 8, 2008 5:15 AM   
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When you see things like that you want to actually ask you the right question: Why to these organizations find members to recruit? COuld such organization exist in Sweden or Holland?
Let me give you an answer: No.
Why is there such a huge reservoir of freaks in the US ready to be used like that in various organizations?

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» Ordinary American TV Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Ordinary American TV Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon
» RE: Ordinary American TV Posted by: Quannah
I am running for U.S. Senate
Posted by: Age of Reason on Feb 8, 2008 5:15 AM   
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I do not need the power. I do not need the money. I do not need the headaches. But I am running for U.S. Senate in NY in 2010 and will help show the way that Independents can take back our country.

Why? Because this sort of thing has GOT TO STOP!

Let peace begin with me...

My Facebook site [preliminary] - please join and check it out.

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» RE: I am running for U.S. Senate Posted by: peacefullaim
Brown Shirts?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Feb 8, 2008 5:42 AM   
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This government is following the routine of the German Nazi party of 1933-1945.

Let's hope our country does not end as ruined.

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» RE: Brown Shirts? Posted by: ALANHESTER
Can you say, "Police state"
Posted by: eosrk on Feb 8, 2008 5:52 AM   
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the statement says it all!

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To borrow from an old TV show
Posted by: praedor on Feb 8, 2008 5:53 AM   
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Anyone recall Babylon 5? Do you recall the Nightwatch? That was my second thought. The first was "fascism, plain and simple". No argument. Period.

Private security companies (ie, private armies) given carte blanche to thug around: Blackwater trolling around NOLA after Katrina just itching to blow away uppity blacks and po' folk, now looking to patrol our borders (to keep out the brownies AND, if requested, keep US in). TIPS. Warrantless spying and tracking. Government-corporate partnerships in domestic surveillance, profiling, and tracking of every move, every purchase (Choicepoint, Acxiom, LexusNexus, etc). Now the Nightwatch, err, I mean "InfraGard". Then we have nonsense like "free speech zones", are now expected to carry and show our "papers" at any time to any cop/brownshirt for ANY reason or no reason...and needing Dept of der Faderland Security permission to come back home after travel outside the borders IF you are even allowed to exit the borders.

We are not stumbling towards police state/fascism. We are there already. We the People are in the vice now and all that can happen now is the screw be turned and the vice tightened at a moment's notice from "dear leader".

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Our very own homegrown terrorists
Posted by: BobS on Feb 8, 2008 5:57 AM   
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Well at least we know who they are going to enlist into their paramilitary death squads. So when is InfraGard going to start dealing drugs like other US supported terrorists?

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JT Barrie
Posted by: rimchamp77 on Feb 8, 2008 5:57 AM   
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While most of those involved as citizen taxpayers are sincere and responsible, there will be more than enough Rambo types there with hairtrigger violence. And these clandestine organizations always adopt the Code of Silence and lies about these maverick loose cannons. The FBI will lie and cover up their atrocities and often frame innocent people to protect them - much like police protect "snitches" in the criminal world. Unlike the regular FBI these people don't undergo the hours of special training - that doesn't deter all Rambo types in law enforcement - in dealing with the public. This organization will NOT attract peaceable citizens like clergy who know how to deal with problems without the use of force or coercion. This organization will not solve any problems. It will be like throwing gasoline on a smoldering fire. We need to seriously address the issues that provoke violent reactions from citizenry and provide alternative venues for solution. This is the direct result of a "not open for discussion" mentality of our political class with regards to abuses of the political system.

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Now where the hell are those "libertarians" and "conservatives" who want small government ?!?!?
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 8, 2008 6:00 AM   
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Come to think of it, Wall Street and the Military Industrial Complex win while the rest of us are shoved to the losers column. No wonder the "libertarians" and "conservatives" have no intention of ABOLISHING the FBI !

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Hired Killers
Posted by: BeyondBeliefs on Feb 8, 2008 6:21 AM   
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So, can I now hire a professional to murder my neighbor's family and pets ?
Is that OK with everyone now ?

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Posted by: flymulla on Feb 8, 2008 6:43 AM   
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FBI Deputizes Private Contractors With Extraordinary Powers, Including 'Shoot to Kill'
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there IS an element of paranoia...
Posted by: mwildfire on Feb 8, 2008 6:47 AM   
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because this will not be used, visibly, until and unless they declare martial law. No, they won't do so to stop a Democrat from taking the White House, certainly not if it's Clinton, whom they long ago approved. They will ONLY do so if the sheep of America finally get to the point where they drag their heads out of their TV fantasy worlds and take to the streets to try to reclaim their democracy. There is no sign that such a thing is imminent. But if something does happen to trigger that reaction in a public that's pathetically passive, but also pretty fed up...THEN we'll see the gloves come off and everything will be in place for rounding up dissidents, by the hundreds of thousands if necessary, and marching us off to the Halliburton camps, for clamping down on the alternative media (the mainstream media is an intimately involved piece of the ruling junta), probably for executing us without trials if desired, and then openly spying on and killing those not in the camps whose naievete is blown away by these shocking events...that is, blown away enough to express shock but not enough to realize they'd better hide those thoughts.
So what should those of us not leaving the country do? Set yourself up for local self-sufficiency, build your local community, educate people around you one-on-one, demonstrate the alternative. No, I don't think this is a sufficent answer but it's the best I can come up with. And don't forget that our only hope is resistance--don't forget that only mass illusion allows this tiny cabal to control events in a way that's enormously detrimental to 99.9999% of the people on the planet as well as all of the other living things and future creatures. Our job is to break through that veil of illusion, to get those around us to take the red pill.
Unfortunately, there are probably reasons these bastards are expecting a revolt from the comatose American public--something they know about what's coming...

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Kip
Posted by: snax on Feb 8, 2008 7:14 AM   
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That brings up the very valid point that if 'ordinary citizens' feel a threat to their person or property, that have just as much right to lethal force against members of this group.

Aint it wonderful to think that the Hitler Youth movement has been reborn in a bunch of paranoid adults? Our second amendment rights were created to protect us from OUR OWN government as much as from outsiders.

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