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Felony Disenfranchisement Aids Republicans
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Then I bumped into a friend and asked if he had voted. "I can't vote," he said, "because I did time in prison." I asked him if he would have voted. "Sure I would have. Because then I'm not just talking junk, I'm doing something about it."
Felony disenfranchisement is the practice by state governments of barring people convicted of a felony from voting, even after they have served their time. In Virginia and Kentucky, people convicted of any felony can never vote again (this would include "Scooter" Libby, even though he never went to jail, unless he is pardoned). Eight other states have permanent felony disenfranchisement laws, with some conditions that allow people to rejoin the voter rolls: Alabama, Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Mississippi, Nevada, Tennessee and Wyoming.
Disenfranchisement -- people being denied their right to vote -- takes many forms, and has a major impact on electoral politics. In Ohio in 2004, stories abounded of inoperative voting machines, too few ballots or too few voting machines. Then there was Florida in 2000. Many continue to believe that the election was thrown to George W. Bush by Ralph Nader, who got about 97,000 votes in Florida. Ten times that number of Floridians are prevented from voting at all. Why?
Currently, more than 1.1 million Floridians have been convicted of a felony and thus aren't allowed to vote. We can't know for sure how they would have voted, but as scholar, lawyer and activist Angela Davis said recently in a speech honoring Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in Mobile, Ala., "If we had not had the felony disenfranchisement that we have, there would be no way that George Bush would be in the White House."
Since felony disenfranchisement disproportionately affects African-American and Latino men in the U.S., and since these groups overwhelmingly vote Democratic, the laws bolster the position of the Republican Party. The statistics are shocking. Ryan King, policy analyst with The Sentencing Project in Washington, D.C., summarized the latest:
About 5.3 million U.S. citizens are ineligible to vote due to felony disenfranchisement; 2 million of them are African-American. Of these, 1.4 million are African-American men, which translates into an incredible 13 percent of that population, a rate seven times higher than in the overall population. Forty-eight states have some version of felony disenfranchisement on the books. All bar voting from prison, then go on to bar participation while on parole or probation. Two states, Maine and Vermont, allow prisoners to vote from behind the walls, as does Canada and a number of other countries.
The politicians and pundits are all abuzz with the massive turnouts in the primaries and caucuses. There are increasing percentages of women participating, and initial reports point to more young people. The youth vote is particularly important, as young people have less invested in the status quo and can look with fresh eyes at long-standing injustices that disenfranchise so many. In this context, one of The Sentencing Project's predictions bears repeating here: "Given current rates of incarceration, 3 in 10 of the next generation of black men can expect to be disenfranchised at some point in their lifetime. In states that disenfranchise ex-offenders, as many as 40 percent of black men may permanently lose their right to vote."
The Sentencing Project's King said: "We are constantly pushing for legislative change around the country. But public education is absolutely key. There are so many different laws that people simply don't know when their right to vote has been restored. That includes the personnel who work in state governments giving out the wrong information."
I called my friend to tell him he was misinformed. He hadn't been on probation or parole for years. "You can vote," I told him. "You just have to register." I could hear him smile through the phone.
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Posted by: odanu on Feb 7, 2008 12:54 PM
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I am 100% for restoring voting rights to felons after they have served their time (including "paper" time). Anything less denies the basis of our criminal justice system -- rehabilitation. If rights aren't restored, then felons aren't truly rehabilitated to community life.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Feb 7, 2008 11:02 PM
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That will sound a bit specious to some - so what?
I don't know that a lot of rehabilitation goes on in our prisons, on the contrary, I think prison more often serves as "crime school" where the incarcerated learn how to steal, function in the illegal drug trade and become more knowledgeable predators.
There are some, though, who leave prison determined to stay out. Maybe they have taken advantage of (increasingly limited) educational or job training opportunities, maybe they were innocent in the first place, maybe they just learned a hard lesson.
They get out to a hostile world. Nobody wants to hire them or rent to them - but they have to work and find a stable place to live if they want to stay out.
Whatever they did before, odds are good that if they have made it past those hurdles for three years, they will stay out of the criminal justice system thereafter.
So what reward do these success stories get? Permanent stigmatization, marginalization, disenfranchisement. There is no clean slate. There is no goal to work toward, nothing to look forward to - no real second chance.
Ex-con is synonymous with scum. It is permanent. And the absence of the most basic right of citizenship is a constant reminder that the ex con has no stake in the society, no power within it.
It is no accident that such huge numbers of Blacks and Hispanics are denied the franchise. After the Civil War a decided effort was made to specifically attach the penalty of disenfranchisement to crimes that Blacks were more likely to be convicted of. Felonies that Whites were more frequently convicted of though also felonies did not carry that penalty in the south. Crimes with knives, for example, carried disenfranchisement, crimes with guns did not. In many places in the South, the disenfranchisement is still permanent. Also, instead of being "on paper" for a fixed time (often 3 years), as is the case in many states, the parole can last for ten, 20 years - or life, depending on the original sentence.
So the loss of this essential right is not coincidental - and never has been. If our current Supreme Court actually gave a damn about the constitution, the evidence is clear. Someday, the case will be proved and won.
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Posted by: billwald on Feb 8, 2008 9:22 AM
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Voting is the sham that convinces the suckers that we are "free." Would the field slaves in the Confederacy have been satisfied if they had been permitted to vote for their supervision? No? Then they were smarter than 2008 Americans.
Nothing will change as long as there is a secret ballot for national elections. As the Bible teaches, things done in the dark are evil. A person who says "Give me liberty or death" should not be afraid of an open ballot.
The voting list in every county should on line with address and year of birth then we could know if dead people are voting. The name of every voter and their vote should be posted on line as a down loadable data base. Every person could verify that his vote was correctly recorded and every person could write his own program to tally the votes. We would not need any of this "delegate" garbage, Would not need any primary. Would not need political parties. No one could be bought.
With this system, Bush would not be president and we would not be fighting an oil war.
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Posted by: realmuzik on Feb 8, 2008 12:46 PM
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Please ... if you really want REAL CHANGE ... DO NOT let your state put him on the ballot! Supporter handing you a petition? Tear it up in front of him/her and tell his/her face that our country cannot afford 4-8 years of wars, lies, theocracy, and "facistic" control!
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 9, 2008 12:55 PM
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That's not harsh or undue. That's payment in kind.
For the lesser offenders, I'm iffy on whether the good of the nation is served by letting someone high on PCP to go hit one of the six levers in the voting booth for the pretty pink donkey or the flying elephant. The liberal in me says screw it, if they want to light up/shoot up/snort up...hell...even in the voting booth, I don't care and they are entitled to their preferred method of achieving our common end the same way I am.
Those liberal tendencies (which ultimately win out) are somewhat counter-acted by the knowledge that there are already plenty of voters already who are out of touch with what is at stake in our Republic.
But then what do I think about violent offenders who scar their victims for life? Did a rapist make a man or woman so afraid to leave their house, that they can't vote? Does said rapist deserve to participate in an activity he or she has taken from a victim?
Harsh and undue, or payment in kind? I would tend to think that this should be handled case by case, but my respect for the Constitution over-rules my "gut feeling" and says that punishments should be uniform, and apply to everyone.
Sum: Killers shouldn't vote ever. I don't give a damn what dopers (who shouldn't be charged with a felony anyway) and white collar asshats do after they've served their sentence. Mixed feelings on other violent offenders.
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Posted by: rickiey on Feb 9, 2008 1:38 PM
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So too should last the loss of rights for those who committed them
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Posted by: Romantic Violence on Feb 9, 2008 7:43 PM
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Posted by: Longdream on Feb 10, 2008 3:22 AM
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Sometimes I think rounding up Death Party operatives who separate people from their right to vote and trying them as traitors is the only thing that will stop election fraud.
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Posted by: VickyinSD on Feb 10, 2008 8:09 AM
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After you've commited a crime and "done the time" you've paid your debt to society, and your rights should be restored. But it's much more convenient and beneficial for the government to surpress those rights, especially when it comes to having a say in how our govt. functions. Besides, felons don't contribute enough money to the partisan coffers of our corrupt political system!
I'm sure all those brave pioneers are rolling over in their graves now that we are the "land of the rich and the home of the incarcerated".
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Posted by: odanu on Feb 7, 2008 12:54 PM
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I am 100% for restoring voting rights to felons after they have served their time (including "paper" time). Anything less denies the basis of our criminal justice system -- rehabilitation. If rights aren't restored, then felons aren't truly rehabilitated to community life.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Feb 7, 2008 11:02 PM
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That will sound a bit specious to some - so what?
I don't know that a lot of rehabilitation goes on in our prisons, on the contrary, I think prison more often serves as "crime school" where the incarcerated learn how to steal, function in the illegal drug trade and become more knowledgeable predators.
There are some, though, who leave prison determined to stay out. Maybe they have taken advantage of (increasingly limited) educational or job training opportunities, maybe they were innocent in the first place, maybe they just learned a hard lesson.
They get out to a hostile world. Nobody wants to hire them or rent to them - but they have to work and find a stable place to live if they want to stay out.
Whatever they did before, odds are good that if they have made it past those hurdles for three years, they will stay out of the criminal justice system thereafter.
So what reward do these success stories get? Permanent stigmatization, marginalization, disenfranchisement. There is no clean slate. There is no goal to work toward, nothing to look forward to - no real second chance.
Ex-con is synonymous with scum. It is permanent. And the absence of the most basic right of citizenship is a constant reminder that the ex con has no stake in the society, no power within it.
It is no accident that such huge numbers of Blacks and Hispanics are denied the franchise. After the Civil War a decided effort was made to specifically attach the penalty of disenfranchisement to crimes that Blacks were more likely to be convicted of. Felonies that Whites were more frequently convicted of though also felonies did not carry that penalty in the south. Crimes with knives, for example, carried disenfranchisement, crimes with guns did not. In many places in the South, the disenfranchisement is still permanent. Also, instead of being "on paper" for a fixed time (often 3 years), as is the case in many states, the parole can last for ten, 20 years - or life, depending on the original sentence.
So the loss of this essential right is not coincidental - and never has been. If our current Supreme Court actually gave a damn about the constitution, the evidence is clear. Someday, the case will be proved and won.
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Posted by: billwald on Feb 8, 2008 9:22 AM
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Voting is the sham that convinces the suckers that we are "free." Would the field slaves in the Confederacy have been satisfied if they had been permitted to vote for their supervision? No? Then they were smarter than 2008 Americans.
Nothing will change as long as there is a secret ballot for national elections. As the Bible teaches, things done in the dark are evil. A person who says "Give me liberty or death" should not be afraid of an open ballot.
The voting list in every county should on line with address and year of birth then we could know if dead people are voting. The name of every voter and their vote should be posted on line as a down loadable data base. Every person could verify that his vote was correctly recorded and every person could write his own program to tally the votes. We would not need any of this "delegate" garbage, Would not need any primary. Would not need political parties. No one could be bought.
With this system, Bush would not be president and we would not be fighting an oil war.
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Posted by: Jack Hotel on Feb 8, 2008 11:36 AM
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Posted by: realmuzik on Feb 8, 2008 12:46 PM
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Please ... if you really want REAL CHANGE ... DO NOT let your state put him on the ballot! Supporter handing you a petition? Tear it up in front of him/her and tell his/her face that our country cannot afford 4-8 years of wars, lies, theocracy, and "facistic" control!
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 9, 2008 12:55 PM
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That's not harsh or undue. That's payment in kind.
For the lesser offenders, I'm iffy on whether the good of the nation is served by letting someone high on PCP to go hit one of the six levers in the voting booth for the pretty pink donkey or the flying elephant. The liberal in me says screw it, if they want to light up/shoot up/snort up...hell...even in the voting booth, I don't care and they are entitled to their preferred method of achieving our common end the same way I am.
Those liberal tendencies (which ultimately win out) are somewhat counter-acted by the knowledge that there are already plenty of voters already who are out of touch with what is at stake in our Republic.
But then what do I think about violent offenders who scar their victims for life? Did a rapist make a man or woman so afraid to leave their house, that they can't vote? Does said rapist deserve to participate in an activity he or she has taken from a victim?
Harsh and undue, or payment in kind? I would tend to think that this should be handled case by case, but my respect for the Constitution over-rules my "gut feeling" and says that punishments should be uniform, and apply to everyone.
Sum: Killers shouldn't vote ever. I don't give a damn what dopers (who shouldn't be charged with a felony anyway) and white collar asshats do after they've served their sentence. Mixed feelings on other violent offenders.
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Posted by: rickiey on Feb 9, 2008 1:38 PM
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So too should last the loss of rights for those who committed them
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Posted by: Longdream on Feb 10, 2008 3:22 AM
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Sometimes I think rounding up Death Party operatives who separate people from their right to vote and trying them as traitors is the only thing that will stop election fraud.
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Posted by: VickyinSD on Feb 10, 2008 8:09 AM
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After you've commited a crime and "done the time" you've paid your debt to society, and your rights should be restored. But it's much more convenient and beneficial for the government to surpress those rights, especially when it comes to having a say in how our govt. functions. Besides, felons don't contribute enough money to the partisan coffers of our corrupt political system!
I'm sure all those brave pioneers are rolling over in their graves now that we are the "land of the rich and the home of the incarcerated".
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