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Pioneering Blackwater Protesters Given Secret Trial and Criminal Conviction
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The arrest of the activists and the subsequent five days they spent locked up in jail is more punishment than any Blackwater mercenaries have received for their deadly actions against Iraqi civilians. "The courts pretend that adherence to the law is what makes for an orderly and peaceable world," said Steve Baggarly, one of the protest organizers. "In fact, U.S. law and courts stand idly by while the U.S. military and private armies like Blackwater have killed, maimed, brutalized and destroyed the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis."
A month after the Nisour Square massacre, on Oct. 20, a group of about 50 activists gathered outside Blackwater's gates in Moyock, N.C. There, they reenacted the Nisour Square shooting and staged a "die-in," involving a vehicle painted with bullet marks and blood. The activists stained their clothing with fake blood and dramatized the deadly shooting spree. Some of the demonstrators marked Blackwater's large welcome sign -- with the company's bear claw in a sniper scope logo -- with red hand prints. The demonstrators believed these "would be a much more appropriate logo for Blackwater," according to Baggarly. "We're all responsible for what is happening in Iraq. We all have bloody hands." It took only moments for the local police to respond to the protest, the first ever at Blackwater's headquarters. In the end, seven were arrested.
The symbolism was stark: Re-enact a Blackwater massacre, go to jail. Commit a massacre, walk around freely and perhaps never go to jail. All seven were charged with criminal trespassing, six of them with an additional charge of resisting arrest and one with another charge of injury to real property. "We feel like Blackwater is trespassing in Iraq," Baggarly later said. "And as for injuring property, they injure men, women and children every day." The activists were jailed for five days and eventually released pending trial.
When their day in court arrived, on Dec. 5, the activists intended to put Blackwater on trial, something the Justice Department, the military and the courts have systematically failed to do. Their action at Blackwater, the activists said, was in response to war crimes, the killing of civilians and the fact that no legal system -- civilian or military -- was holding Blackwater responsible. The Nisour Square massacre, they said, "is the Iraq war in microcosm."
But District Court Judge Edgar Barnes would have none of it. So outraged was he at Baggarly, the first of the defendants to appear before him that day, that the judge cleared the court following his conviction. No spectators, no family members, no journalists, no defense witnesses remained. The other six activists were tried in total secrecy -- well, secret to everyone except the prosecutors, sheriffs, government witnesses and one Blackwater official. Judge Barnes swiftly tried the remaining six activists behind closed doors and convicted them all. It was as though Currituck, N.C., became Gitmo for a day.
It's not unusual for a judge to clear a courtroom when there is a disruption by the public. Nor is it rare for judges to try to prevent activists from turning the tables and attempting to put the government -- or in this case a mercenary company -- on trial. But witnesses that day report that there was no disruption -- and the defendants say they were immediately cut off when they strayed from the narrow scope of the trespass charge to discuss Blackwater's actions or the war. So why clear the courtroom? That may be a question for Judge Barnes in the end, but it's hard not to view his conduct through the same veil of secrecy that shrouds all of Blackwater's actions -- and the seemingly endless lengths to which the Bush administration will go to protect Blackwater.
That was certainly how the activists saw it. "He didn't want people influenced by our message," Baggarly said. "There have been hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties in Iraq. If we're going to speak about that, nobody is allowed to hear it."
The North Carolina chapter of the ACLU quickly stepped in, saying it knew of no similar action in any previous criminal trials in the state. "It's a clear violation of constitutional rights, not only of the defendants but the press and public," said Katy Parker, the group's legal director. "They have a right to a public trial, so any trial that goes on behind closed doors is a farce." She added, "We are very concerned about this reported disrespect for the laws of our land by a member of the judiciary, especially in a controversial and politically laden case such as this." The ACLU filed a complaint against Barnes with the North Carolina Judicial Standards Commission, asking it to investigate him.
The activists appealed their convictions and were back in court last week, on Jan. 24, in front of Superior Court Judge Russell Duke. Unlike Judge Barnes, Duke allowed the defendants some freedom of speech and graciously decided to let the public witness the daylong trial. In his statement before the court, Baggarly recalled the story of one of the Nisour Square victims he and his fellow activists attempted to dramatize in their protest: "Mohammed Hafiz was driving four children when Blackwater mercenaries riddled the car with bullets. His ten-year-old son Ali was shot in the head. Mohammed had to gather up pieces of the child's skull and brains for the burial. During one point in the massacre, Blackwater operatives concentrated fire on a passenger bus. A small boy fled the bus in terror and was shot down as was his mother who ran after him."
The defendents said that they believed no court would hold Blackwater responsible for these killings and that, by committing civil disobedience on the company's private military base that day, they were guided by higher principles, citing the U.S. Constitution and the Bible. "U.S. law has immunized Blackwater, both in Iraq and at home, allowing it unrestricted license to kill and a five-year reign of terror," said Baggarly. The activists invoked the tradition of Martin Luther King Jr., Gandhi and the conveners of the Boston Tea Party. "'Made in the U.S.A.' is written all over those bullets that are flying all over Baghdad," one of the activists, Bill Streit, told the judge. "We're sick at heart about that."
Rather than ignore or dismiss their motivations, Judge Duke engaged the defendents in a theological discussion, challenging their Biblical interpretation and, at one point, admonishing the activists, many of whom are members of the Catholic Worker movement. "I've always thought that if you're going to be a follower of Jesus or someone who appreciates the Constitution, you can't select the portions that you like and disregard the rest," he said. The fact that the hearing was held at the same moment that the country was remembering the legacy of MLK, who called on his supporters to break unjust laws that violated the rights of others, seemed to be lost on Judge Duke. Perhaps he should have read Dr. King's "Letter from a Birmingham Jail," in which he wrote to other clergy accusing him of political extremism:
"[T]here are two types of laws: just and unjust … One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that 'an unjust law is no law at all.' … We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was 'legal' … Any law that degrades human personality is unjust … I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."It was in this tradition that those seven Americans found themselves engaging in nonviolent civil disobedience at Blackwater's gates last October and the very reason they were before Judge Duke last week.
Whether this mattered to him or not, Judge Duke's words were interesting, given the religious fanaticism and avowed patriotism of Blackwater's owner, Erik Prince. Like the "Blackwater 7," Prince considers himself a dedicated Christian and professes his love of country. How would Prince answer the judge if faced with a trial for the actions of his Blackwater killers in Iraq? How would he reconcile the killing of innocents by his men with the teachings of Jesus? What would his moral defense sound like?
The sad reality in this country right now -- as it was in Dr. King's day -- is that those who really belong before judges are not. Prosecutions are sought and secured for activists standing against killing and injustice and not for those meting it out. In the end, Judge Duke sentenced the activists to time served. It was the lightest sentence he could have issued -- but a far greater one than any Blackwater mercenary has faced for killing an Iraqi.
For its part, Blackwater issued a statement that would be funny if it wasn't so lethally ironic. "Many of the extraordinary professionals currently working for Blackwater are veterans who served their country in support of -- among other things -- the right to free speech and to peacefully protest in accordance with the law," said Blackwater spokesperson Anne Tyrrell. "We respect every person's right to speak out in support of his or her beliefs, but if laws are violated, it is the court system's responsibility to hold them accountable."
Tyrrell is right about one thing: The courts should hold the violators of laws accountable. But is that Blackwater's true position on its own conduct? Is that the Bush administration's position? No. Time and again, Blackwater and the White House have fought against having meaningful sanctions applied to mercenary forces. In fact, while the trial of the "Blackwater 7" was under way, last week the Bush administration was fighting once again to ensure continued immunity for Blackwater and other mercenary firms in Iraq. If we really were a nation of laws, there would be a lot of Blackwater mercenaries behind bars right now facing stiffer penalties than five days in jail. And these men would hardly be prisoners of conscience like the activists who protested Blackwater's lethal actions in Iraq.
In the end, before Judge Duke sent the activists home, he told them, "We're not here about what's happening in Iraq." Tragically for the U.S. Constitution and deadly for Iraqi civilians, when it comes to Blackwater and other merchants of death, this has been true of the American justice system for five years too long.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 29, 2008 1:22 AM
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I'm telling you, one does not need to be a constitutional scholar to figure this stuff out, folks. This ain't rocket science, kiddies; this is Civics 101.
The only way >We, the People can be spared the threat that a semi-facist organization like Blackwater poses to our democracy, is by challenging its very existence in the courts. Unfortunately, that challenge may have to wait until there is a Democrat in the White House who is able to appoint one - or more justices of a reasonable, moderate judicial temperament. To even expect some of the reactionary fools currently sitting on the Supreme Court (Scalia and Uncle Thomas come readily to mind) to act in accordance with the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution is wishful thinking, to be sure. Enlightenment on that court is desperately in order.
Tom Degan
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 29, 2008 1:53 AM
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"Blessed are the peacemakers"
It is the only path that, I believe, a true Christian can possibly take. And yet, having said that, here is something else that also needs to be said:
When Blackwater finally brings its twisted little act to your city, you have the right the constitutionally guaranteed right - if not a God-given one - to shoot back.
Tom Degan
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Posted by: HeKnew on Jan 29, 2008 2:07 AM
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A Vote of Confidence Amendment will enable the American voting public to dismiss and hold over for criminal prosecution any elected official who fails in their obligation to serve the people of the United States.
VOCA, now
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 29, 2008 2:30 AM
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If there had been BEFORE 9/11 honest debate and action on the issue of islamic militancy in the world, then open and transparent actions could have been taken to counter it.
But remember back them? People were more interested in semen stains on dresses and setting up Petfood.com, than addressing really difficult issues in the world.
You can see the same problem in the UK: a country that still denies its role in enabling this curse on the modern world. When the public behaves like spoilt children, then the real adults in the world still need to care of business. And right now, the business is protecting the west and preserving resources for economic health until such time that somebody invents a way to get energy from a water molecule or from air.
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Posted by: williameon on Jan 29, 2008 2:54 AM
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Our Militia is being sacrificed in Iraq while King George II's Dark Army is getting stronger here now.
Trillions for Halliburton/Carlyle and
Nothing for you!
While our Militia is being slaughtered in Bush’s evil WAR.
Our Troops go out on patrol like
Sitting Ducks!
The Dark Army causes trouble and gets paid more than three times as much just to guard them!
Keep the casualties high!
Justify their sacrifice by spilling even more innocent blood.
How absurd?
The Dark Army must be disbanded.
A Mercenary Army on American soil is in direct violation to The Constitution.
Mercenaries have always spelled trouble for America from day ONE.
From King George III’s Prussian soldiers we fought during the American Revolution,
To his insane descendent:
King George II’s
Dark Army causing trouble now.
They are an abomination.
Who is supplying them with weapons, how and why?
They must be ordered to stand down and disband.
All their weapons must be confiscated.
Stop their funding immediately.
They are Dead Eye's and The Shrub's Private Army.
Their Private SS.
A Dark Army beyond Government control on American soil,
Spells trouble for U.S.
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Posted by: Kafwood on Jan 29, 2008 3:46 AM
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When I reflect on my careful sort of activism and compare it to these fellow travelers, I feel ashamed and, oddly, hopeful.
And thank you Jeremy Scahill for putting this brave Blackwater action in the news - even if it only reaches the alternative news circuit, at least this community will (finally!) become aware of it.
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Posted by: erichwwk on Jan 29, 2008 3:57 AM
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Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."
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Posted by: mwildfire on Jan 29, 2008 4:55 AM
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--about how CBS is parroting an obvious White House lie---that Saddam Hussein refused to let inspectors in and didn't deny that Iraq had WMD's before the US invaded in March 2003--folks, this was only 5 years ago! Even young adults remember the words of the weapons inspectors who were in Iraq for months, and may remember the 12,000 page document Iraq presented detailing how its weapons were destroyed. Yet the White House and ALL the major media will go along with an easily disproved, flat-out lie to give cover to an illegal war of conquest. CBS is the same company that fired two long-time producers because they put out a story of Bushieboy's draft-dodging which included a document that they couldn't prove absolutely to be authentic. Nobody denied the story--"W" DID slip out of the Vietnam draft with a Champagne-unit posting to the Texas National Guard, and then didn't even serve that out, presumably because he was doing too much coke to pass the drug test. And nobody proved that the document in question was false, either--Mary Mapes and Dan Rather just could not absolutely prove it was authentic. Yet they lost their jobs over it. Meanwhile, we have a CBS man stating the Hussein "refused to let inspectors in", an obvious, easily disproved falsehood, and it stands.
Put that together with the above story, in which demonstrators outside the office of a corporation breaking every law there is get jail time while its employees kill and rape at will, sometimes in the US, and never face any accountability whatsoever...what we have is a police state, a 1984-style faceless state in which the MSM function as the Minstry of Truth. It isn't yet obvious everywhere, but the steel is in place--and don't fool yourself that a Democrat in the White House will change any of it.
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Posted by: abemko on Jan 29, 2008 5:33 AM
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"[T]here are two types of laws: just and unjust … One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that 'an unjust law is no law at all.' … We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was 'legal' … Any law that degrades human personality is unjust … I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."
The amendment should indicate that every citizen has the responsibility to obey just laws AND to oppose unjust laws.
This statement would also be applicable to the psychological and psychiatric professions when considering "Oppositional Behavior Disorder", (as per another article in Alternet). As a step in this direction we should start emailing this quote to the judges in this case and to every member in this administration on a regular basis to remind them of our human responsibilities.
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Posted by: machvvv on Jan 29, 2008 7:22 AM
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1. Did they know where the property line is at the front gate?
2. Did they call the media before the protest to get coverage?
3. Did they willingly breaking the law?
Smearing blood on a company sign is not free speech, it's vandalism.
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Posted by: williameon on Jan 29, 2008 7:23 AM
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Privatization is one of them. Stop privatization and repatriate everything they've stolen. Nationalize all energy sources. Energy is too important to leave in the hands in corporate control. They pay us the lowest royalty rate in the world and then even short change us. The problem with the system is that it is under Corporate Control.
When corporations run government it is Fascism.
The system is outdated and corrupted with viruses. Corporate bought Politicians.
It has to be shut down. Updated and REBOOTED!
The ideals that the fore fathers based the system on are still valid. Namely:The Constitution and Bill of Rights!
The rest we must bring into the future with us by updating the code using modern ideals and 21st century standards.
Technology has changed and so should the system governing it. Government was the great leveler.
Instead now it has been turned into an enabler.
Enabling the wealthy to subjugate us.
A societies strength lies within its numbers and individuals being loyal to the whole.
When everyone benefits a little it is better for everyone. Unlimited wealth and power causes a multiple of problems. Wealth should be limited for the benefit of all. There is a conflict between: Humanitarianism and Greed.
We must recognize GREED and the evil it represents. Corporate Greed is the problem today. It has corrupted the system.
A change is coming. The beginning is now.
The re-industrialization of America is taking place as we speak. A completely decentralized system is possible. A Global Village.
Local ownership of media, manufacturing, green energy and local food organic production is a must for the survival of our very own way of life. Tough years are ahead and self sufficiency is the Key. The Nanny Corporations are falling. They have bankrupted U.S. and themselves. A kinder gentler system is near.
A prosperous new society that lives in peace and harmony with its neighbors.
Trading goods that benefit all instead of exporting weapons of mass destruction to a few.
A society based on our common, positive, creative, ideals and that respects everybody’s rights.
The rights to: clean air and pure water, health care and a livable minimum wage.
Cooperation, helpfulness, peacefulness, patience, brotherly love and true compassion
Are the building blocks that a new world order can be built upon.
Positive ideals and goals that have withstood the test of time. There is plenty of work to do. let's start Now.
The FAUX Media was dwells on BU__! SH__!
Just like it always does. It is Red Herring.
The last thing I need is a Black Army muscle head sticking his gun up my a-s.
The West needs to mind its own business and get off old fossil fuel habit. Kick the oil habit!
All the oil junkies are being led down primrose path to self destruction by Dead Eye Dick and the Shrub. What happened on 911 anyway?
The greatest army in the world looked the other way while the Black Army bombed N.Y.C. and walked away with all the Gold.
The old bait and switch! False Flag Operation?
Look who benefited by doing nothing and you will find the real culprits.
Who blamed it on someone else so they could start another WAR.
Military, Media, Industrial, Complex anyone?
All the Neo-Cons were out to lunch waiting at the exits getting ready to fly the coop, if something when wrong with their plan.
While Dick The Heartless, Old Dead Eye himself ran the show from his Dungeon. Stand Down 911. Read it and weep. The greatest hoax ever perpetuated on the American people.
Three buildings magically fell to the ground and with them:Your Freedom, Rights and Country.
The WAR is here. They started it!
And we will finish it! VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
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Posted by: kili on Jan 29, 2008 7:25 AM
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Can we get this judges email address, so we can let him know what we think?
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» Read the section above early in this thread on "psychopathy"...
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jan 29, 2008 8:38 AM
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Even the New Deal laws and regulations wouldn't have seen the light of day but for FDR threatening to pack the bench with progressive judges...
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» RE: Where are the so-called "libertarians" and gun-toters on this issue?
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» Read this post to understand why I'm equally fed up with fake "libertarians".
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Posted by: fg on Jan 29, 2008 10:07 AM
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Jan 29, 2008 10:09 AM
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They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great country.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jan 29, 2008 10:14 AM
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Kids have always been forced to do time after re-enacting the mistakes of those in power. A good many Vietnam War Protesters were jailed for such acts. Many AIM people were outright killed for pointing out what was happening on their lands.
The Hired Army,the Standing Army and all the forms of police serve one purpose...protect the asses of the rich. If you point out the corruption of the wealthy in colusion with the government,you can count on getting zapped. Unless you do so as a candidate. Then you actually have 'Free Speech'. That's why I'm a 'Draft Me ' candidate.The truth is hard to swallow but it goes down easier than the bullshit they expect us to swallow about the need for Blackwater, the Iraq War and 9/11.
The government has become the enemy of the Constitution and the People. If you think I'm fooling you,go ask an Indian.
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Posted by: JayHaden on Jan 29, 2008 10:43 AM
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Start with the pop culture label, "war on X," as the wobbly platform at the bottom of the pile. Then, allow the Executive to define "national security" as though the barbarians were actually knocking down the walls and eating our children. Take away any independent review of how these and many more key definitions are applied (including what is a barbarian) and you start filling the stack with steaming poop. Poke a hole in this legal stovepipe at any point and the toxic fumes become a warning that something is wrong.
Congress is surely at fault here for helping to construct the war platform in the first place. Because the body of law built atop our "war" on terrorism is now so gaseous, it is no surprise that the Executive has seen fit to pack the court system with its defenders standing ready to plug the holes.
Civil disobedience can have a beneficial corrosive effect on such legal fantasias. In this case, the victim (Blackwater) was too dumb to foresee that the stench becomes information we all can use to assess where the real danger to our country lies.
Sure, the law requires prosecution of vandals and trespassers, if victims ask for it. The smart victim, especially one who's very existence depends on maintaining the integrity of the legal shit pile that allows it to get away with murder, might prudently back off -- at least until all other challenging laws can be quietly dismantled. Hang on Blackwater, we're almost there.
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Posted by: 7 Levels on Jan 29, 2008 11:07 AM
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Posted by: Kungfublood on Jan 29, 2008 11:54 AM
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lickspittle lawman lick.
Lick little boughtman taste the blood of your children,
lick lick little lick-spittle
show us what your worth,
You've no rightful place upon the face of this earth.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jan 30, 2008 12:32 PM
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And it's surprising that an entity like Blackwater exists. How did we let this happen?
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Jan 30, 2008 1:15 PM
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I think one of the very first things that Shrubya did when he illegally took orifice was to abstain or block US involvement from the world court.
Its newborn body and soul was rendered useless by this action...
The World court "I believe/think" was something that was initiated by the US, and then killed un-ceremonially by the current administration because of its obvious plans to the
"new" thousand year Reich [ala "Project for the New American Century"]
so many lies, misinformation and "very" bad decisions in only 8 short years!...
and who's to blame is the constant refrain?
you all are, you elected this chimp & his handler to "two terms"
So get it right this time, elect someone with a true vision...
The only "REAL" choices being offered this run are;
Klington, oBamA, Edwords & Mckin
Choose wisely... the world awaits your selective reasonings, to see if your democratic principles are worthy of emulation around the globe...
and if past is present, again... the world will turn off the US based propa-Gandhi machine and replace it with a newer more stable p-EU machine [heaven forbid]
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Posted by: grkjr on Jan 30, 2008 6:40 PM
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1. No one little man in any office of the land has any power except that which is given to him or her. Bush is not the problem... he simply underscores the deficiencies in our CONGRESS OR/AND THE CONSTITUTION
2. Do you seriouly think that this little man can just break the law at will.... UNLESS A WILLING CONGRESS SITS BY AND NODS IT HEAD IN AGREEMENT.
3. AGAIN.. the correction to this nightmare is in your hands... but.....
Do you vote for anyone who has stood up to hold this little man and this congress accountable??? Certainly not
Last time i looked you are content to send a member of congress to be the new president to carry on where this one left off.
4 By all that i read.... you are more concerned with who can win, what democrat can carry the vote regardless of his or her platform..regardless that they are on the same train, going the same direction, as the present one. .
5. The course we are on is the course that you/we choose at the ballot box, and given who is winning in the primaries, it is the one you choose to continue down.
5. Finally, one thing that can be done to bring this country to its knees... is stop buying things.. shop food only.. don't buy that car, that refrigeration or stove, those clothes...this as an alternative to the OBVIOUS ONE OF THROWING OUT YOUR LOCAL CONGRESS MAN/WOMAN WHO CONTINUES TO SAY ONE THING BUT VOTE ANOTHER...FOR FUNDING OF THIS WAR, OR DOES NOT IMMEDIATLY SIGN ON TO THE IMPEACHMENT OF THE LITTLE MAN WHO IS ABOVE THE LAW, ONLY..ONLY...ONLY... DUE TO THIER SAY SO..
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 30, 2008 11:16 PM
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What the judge has done is crypto-facist violation of 1st Ammendment rights - not to mention crossing the line about separation of church and state. No judge should be interpreting scripture while on the bench in court. We live in a secular society, not a Christian society and the Catholic faith of some of the demonstrators has zero bearing on this case.
Are the convicted demonstrators going to be subjected to sexual torture and sent to the secret Naval brig prison in Charleston, South Carolina? That is where American citizens who are deemed a threat to national security and terrorist sympathizers are sent and tortured under the Patriot Act and Military and Commissions Act of 2006. Any American citizen can be sent to prision WITHOUT charges, WITHOUT a trial and denied a lawyer. It can happen to you, me and any of us 300,000 million Americans.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 31, 2008 4:44 AM
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His new novel, The Appeal, is about a wealthy man who sets out to fix an appellate court after a jury returns a verdict against him. Grisham, who practiced law and served in the Mississippi legislature, is against electing judges, especially because there is no limit on what special interests can do to fund a campaign. He says that a person who manages to get ,say, a verdict of wrongful death and damages (much more difficult due to tort "reform") is likely to have it overturned on appeal, because our courts are open to corporate interests and closed to the needs of individuals.
I think it's significant that Grisham is becoming increasingly passionate. He wrote a nonfiction book recently about the death penalty. His views about the judicial system are "conservative" in the best way, and he has plenty of money in the bank, so he's free to do what he likes. He said that none of his thrillers has ever failed to sell well, but he's a little concerned about this one because it does not have a happy ending. "Happens all the time," he says of the effect of money on the selection of judges.
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Posted by: Scientz on Feb 2, 2008 10:10 AM
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In Iraq, dissent often comes at the barrel of a gun, with those willing to die for what they believe in. We protest, no one listens, and then we go home with our tails between our legs. How on earth are we ever supposed to fight against those who refuse to play by the rules if we refuse not to?
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Posted by: flymulla on Feb 2, 2008 1:15 PM
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I have a page open of the Economist and how Mullahs have tried to avoid the issue of the nukes wars. There is also the TV that states the president of the bank is still employed. The French finance minster in the DAVOS refused to tell the whole truth to the reporters stating that, “The investigation is still with the bank and she was able to comment on this at that moment. Now the way I see this is. This was, one moment, the issue could have opened up and followed en-mass.
Would you have been happy then?
I mean your heading is ethics, I see none. Where is it?
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla MBA PhD
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Posted by: foreverhope on Feb 5, 2008 6:04 AM
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Generals that attempted to convince GWB/CHENEY of this disagreeable fact were forced out one way or another, and replaced with someone more agreeable.
So, HOW will the next president, whomever that is and God help us all, how will he/she find enough new soldiers to replace the many many soldiers returning that have already made great sacrifices and can do no more?
AND what will the new president do to improve care for our veterans, ESPECIALLY soldiers returning from combat in Afghanistan and Iraq??
AND, how will he/she (WE) pay for it???
A GREAT many of these returning soldiers are emotionally and mentally exhausted, homeless, in shock, and commiting suicide in great numbers. It is really shameful and heartbreaking IMO, their circumstances are DEPLORABLE.
These are questions that should be answered by anyone that refuses to set the dreaded 'time table for withdrawal'? I sure don't hear anything about this at any of the debates or anyplace else from either party.
Poor kids, doesn't seem as if very many people are interested in their circumstances. They are almost invisable. Exactly how WILL McCain or Mitt, or anyone else vague on withdrawal from Iraq, find (or extract) enough new bodies (CANNON FODDER) to feed their wretched war machine, AND take care of our veterans????
Sort of sorry, this has nothing to do with Blackwater but is the only place I could think to ask these questions. Seems at least semi-on -topic, and it IS important IMO. Our soldiers need and deserve our support no matter how one feels about the war/wars, it is certainly not their fault and hope you won't mind.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 29, 2008 1:22 AM
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I'm telling you, one does not need to be a constitutional scholar to figure this stuff out, folks. This ain't rocket science, kiddies; this is Civics 101.
The only way >We, the People can be spared the threat that a semi-facist organization like Blackwater poses to our democracy, is by challenging its very existence in the courts. Unfortunately, that challenge may have to wait until there is a Democrat in the White House who is able to appoint one - or more justices of a reasonable, moderate judicial temperament. To even expect some of the reactionary fools currently sitting on the Supreme Court (Scalia and Uncle Thomas come readily to mind) to act in accordance with the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution is wishful thinking, to be sure. Enlightenment on that court is desperately in order.
Tom Degan
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 29, 2008 1:53 AM
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"Blessed are the peacemakers"
It is the only path that, I believe, a true Christian can possibly take. And yet, having said that, here is something else that also needs to be said:
When Blackwater finally brings its twisted little act to your city, you have the right the constitutionally guaranteed right - if not a God-given one - to shoot back.
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Posted by: HeKnew on Jan 29, 2008 2:07 AM
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A Vote of Confidence Amendment will enable the American voting public to dismiss and hold over for criminal prosecution any elected official who fails in their obligation to serve the people of the United States.
VOCA, now
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 29, 2008 2:30 AM
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If there had been BEFORE 9/11 honest debate and action on the issue of islamic militancy in the world, then open and transparent actions could have been taken to counter it.
But remember back them? People were more interested in semen stains on dresses and setting up Petfood.com, than addressing really difficult issues in the world.
You can see the same problem in the UK: a country that still denies its role in enabling this curse on the modern world. When the public behaves like spoilt children, then the real adults in the world still need to care of business. And right now, the business is protecting the west and preserving resources for economic health until such time that somebody invents a way to get energy from a water molecule or from air.
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Posted by: williameon on Jan 29, 2008 2:54 AM
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Our Militia is being sacrificed in Iraq while King George II's Dark Army is getting stronger here now.
Trillions for Halliburton/Carlyle and
Nothing for you!
While our Militia is being slaughtered in Bush’s evil WAR.
Our Troops go out on patrol like
Sitting Ducks!
The Dark Army causes trouble and gets paid more than three times as much just to guard them!
Keep the casualties high!
Justify their sacrifice by spilling even more innocent blood.
How absurd?
The Dark Army must be disbanded.
A Mercenary Army on American soil is in direct violation to The Constitution.
Mercenaries have always spelled trouble for America from day ONE.
From King George III’s Prussian soldiers we fought during the American Revolution,
To his insane descendent:
King George II’s
Dark Army causing trouble now.
They are an abomination.
Who is supplying them with weapons, how and why?
They must be ordered to stand down and disband.
All their weapons must be confiscated.
Stop their funding immediately.
They are Dead Eye's and The Shrub's Private Army.
Their Private SS.
A Dark Army beyond Government control on American soil,
Spells trouble for U.S.
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Posted by: Kafwood on Jan 29, 2008 3:46 AM
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When I reflect on my careful sort of activism and compare it to these fellow travelers, I feel ashamed and, oddly, hopeful.
And thank you Jeremy Scahill for putting this brave Blackwater action in the news - even if it only reaches the alternative news circuit, at least this community will (finally!) become aware of it.
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Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."
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Posted by: mwildfire on Jan 29, 2008 4:55 AM
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--about how CBS is parroting an obvious White House lie---that Saddam Hussein refused to let inspectors in and didn't deny that Iraq had WMD's before the US invaded in March 2003--folks, this was only 5 years ago! Even young adults remember the words of the weapons inspectors who were in Iraq for months, and may remember the 12,000 page document Iraq presented detailing how its weapons were destroyed. Yet the White House and ALL the major media will go along with an easily disproved, flat-out lie to give cover to an illegal war of conquest. CBS is the same company that fired two long-time producers because they put out a story of Bushieboy's draft-dodging which included a document that they couldn't prove absolutely to be authentic. Nobody denied the story--"W" DID slip out of the Vietnam draft with a Champagne-unit posting to the Texas National Guard, and then didn't even serve that out, presumably because he was doing too much coke to pass the drug test. And nobody proved that the document in question was false, either--Mary Mapes and Dan Rather just could not absolutely prove it was authentic. Yet they lost their jobs over it. Meanwhile, we have a CBS man stating the Hussein "refused to let inspectors in", an obvious, easily disproved falsehood, and it stands.
Put that together with the above story, in which demonstrators outside the office of a corporation breaking every law there is get jail time while its employees kill and rape at will, sometimes in the US, and never face any accountability whatsoever...what we have is a police state, a 1984-style faceless state in which the MSM function as the Minstry of Truth. It isn't yet obvious everywhere, but the steel is in place--and don't fool yourself that a Democrat in the White House will change any of it.
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Posted by: abemko on Jan 29, 2008 5:33 AM
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"[T]here are two types of laws: just and unjust … One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that 'an unjust law is no law at all.' … We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was 'legal' … Any law that degrades human personality is unjust … I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."
The amendment should indicate that every citizen has the responsibility to obey just laws AND to oppose unjust laws.
This statement would also be applicable to the psychological and psychiatric professions when considering "Oppositional Behavior Disorder", (as per another article in Alternet). As a step in this direction we should start emailing this quote to the judges in this case and to every member in this administration on a regular basis to remind them of our human responsibilities.
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Posted by: machvvv on Jan 29, 2008 7:22 AM
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1. Did they know where the property line is at the front gate?
2. Did they call the media before the protest to get coverage?
3. Did they willingly breaking the law?
Smearing blood on a company sign is not free speech, it's vandalism.
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Posted by: williameon on Jan 29, 2008 7:23 AM
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Privatization is one of them. Stop privatization and repatriate everything they've stolen. Nationalize all energy sources. Energy is too important to leave in the hands in corporate control. They pay us the lowest royalty rate in the world and then even short change us. The problem with the system is that it is under Corporate Control.
When corporations run government it is Fascism.
The system is outdated and corrupted with viruses. Corporate bought Politicians.
It has to be shut down. Updated and REBOOTED!
The ideals that the fore fathers based the system on are still valid. Namely:The Constitution and Bill of Rights!
The rest we must bring into the future with us by updating the code using modern ideals and 21st century standards.
Technology has changed and so should the system governing it. Government was the great leveler.
Instead now it has been turned into an enabler.
Enabling the wealthy to subjugate us.
A societies strength lies within its numbers and individuals being loyal to the whole.
When everyone benefits a little it is better for everyone. Unlimited wealth and power causes a multiple of problems. Wealth should be limited for the benefit of all. There is a conflict between: Humanitarianism and Greed.
We must recognize GREED and the evil it represents. Corporate Greed is the problem today. It has corrupted the system.
A change is coming. The beginning is now.
The re-industrialization of America is taking place as we speak. A completely decentralized system is possible. A Global Village.
Local ownership of media, manufacturing, green energy and local food organic production is a must for the survival of our very own way of life. Tough years are ahead and self sufficiency is the Key. The Nanny Corporations are falling. They have bankrupted U.S. and themselves. A kinder gentler system is near.
A prosperous new society that lives in peace and harmony with its neighbors.
Trading goods that benefit all instead of exporting weapons of mass destruction to a few.
A society based on our common, positive, creative, ideals and that respects everybody’s rights.
The rights to: clean air and pure water, health care and a livable minimum wage.
Cooperation, helpfulness, peacefulness, patience, brotherly love and true compassion
Are the building blocks that a new world order can be built upon.
Positive ideals and goals that have withstood the test of time. There is plenty of work to do. let's start Now.
The FAUX Media was dwells on BU__! SH__!
Just like it always does. It is Red Herring.
The last thing I need is a Black Army muscle head sticking his gun up my a-s.
The West needs to mind its own business and get off old fossil fuel habit. Kick the oil habit!
All the oil junkies are being led down primrose path to self destruction by Dead Eye Dick and the Shrub. What happened on 911 anyway?
The greatest army in the world looked the other way while the Black Army bombed N.Y.C. and walked away with all the Gold.
The old bait and switch! False Flag Operation?
Look who benefited by doing nothing and you will find the real culprits.
Who blamed it on someone else so they could start another WAR.
Military, Media, Industrial, Complex anyone?
All the Neo-Cons were out to lunch waiting at the exits getting ready to fly the coop, if something when wrong with their plan.
While Dick The Heartless, Old Dead Eye himself ran the show from his Dungeon. Stand Down 911. Read it and weep. The greatest hoax ever perpetuated on the American people.
Three buildings magically fell to the ground and with them:Your Freedom, Rights and Country.
The WAR is here. They started it!
And we will finish it! VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
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Posted by: kili on Jan 29, 2008 7:25 AM
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Can we get this judges email address, so we can let him know what we think?
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jan 29, 2008 8:38 AM
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Even the New Deal laws and regulations wouldn't have seen the light of day but for FDR threatening to pack the bench with progressive judges...
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Jan 29, 2008 10:09 AM
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They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great country.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jan 29, 2008 10:14 AM
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Kids have always been forced to do time after re-enacting the mistakes of those in power. A good many Vietnam War Protesters were jailed for such acts. Many AIM people were outright killed for pointing out what was happening on their lands.
The Hired Army,the Standing Army and all the forms of police serve one purpose...protect the asses of the rich. If you point out the corruption of the wealthy in colusion with the government,you can count on getting zapped. Unless you do so as a candidate. Then you actually have 'Free Speech'. That's why I'm a 'Draft Me ' candidate.The truth is hard to swallow but it goes down easier than the bullshit they expect us to swallow about the need for Blackwater, the Iraq War and 9/11.
The government has become the enemy of the Constitution and the People. If you think I'm fooling you,go ask an Indian.
www.youtube.com/RevJeffrey7
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Posted by: JayHaden on Jan 29, 2008 10:43 AM
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Start with the pop culture label, "war on X," as the wobbly platform at the bottom of the pile. Then, allow the Executive to define "national security" as though the barbarians were actually knocking down the walls and eating our children. Take away any independent review of how these and many more key definitions are applied (including what is a barbarian) and you start filling the stack with steaming poop. Poke a hole in this legal stovepipe at any point and the toxic fumes become a warning that something is wrong.
Congress is surely at fault here for helping to construct the war platform in the first place. Because the body of law built atop our "war" on terrorism is now so gaseous, it is no surprise that the Executive has seen fit to pack the court system with its defenders standing ready to plug the holes.
Civil disobedience can have a beneficial corrosive effect on such legal fantasias. In this case, the victim (Blackwater) was too dumb to foresee that the stench becomes information we all can use to assess where the real danger to our country lies.
Sure, the law requires prosecution of vandals and trespassers, if victims ask for it. The smart victim, especially one who's very existence depends on maintaining the integrity of the legal shit pile that allows it to get away with murder, might prudently back off -- at least until all other challenging laws can be quietly dismantled. Hang on Blackwater, we're almost there.
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Posted by: 7 Levels on Jan 29, 2008 11:07 AM
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Posted by: Kungfublood on Jan 29, 2008 11:54 AM
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lickspittle lawman lick.
Lick little boughtman taste the blood of your children,
lick lick little lick-spittle
show us what your worth,
You've no rightful place upon the face of this earth.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jan 30, 2008 12:32 PM
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And it's surprising that an entity like Blackwater exists. How did we let this happen?
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Jan 30, 2008 1:15 PM
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I think one of the very first things that Shrubya did when he illegally took orifice was to abstain or block US involvement from the world court.
Its newborn body and soul was rendered useless by this action...
The World court "I believe/think" was something that was initiated by the US, and then killed un-ceremonially by the current administration because of its obvious plans to the
"new" thousand year Reich [ala "Project for the New American Century"]
so many lies, misinformation and "very" bad decisions in only 8 short years!...
and who's to blame is the constant refrain?
you all are, you elected this chimp & his handler to "two terms"
So get it right this time, elect someone with a true vision...
The only "REAL" choices being offered this run are;
Klington, oBamA, Edwords & Mckin
Choose wisely... the world awaits your selective reasonings, to see if your democratic principles are worthy of emulation around the globe...
and if past is present, again... the world will turn off the US based propa-Gandhi machine and replace it with a newer more stable p-EU machine [heaven forbid]
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Posted by: grkjr on Jan 30, 2008 6:40 PM
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1. No one little man in any office of the land has any power except that which is given to him or her. Bush is not the problem... he simply underscores the deficiencies in our CONGRESS OR/AND THE CONSTITUTION
2. Do you seriouly think that this little man can just break the law at will.... UNLESS A WILLING CONGRESS SITS BY AND NODS IT HEAD IN AGREEMENT.
3. AGAIN.. the correction to this nightmare is in your hands... but.....
Do you vote for anyone who has stood up to hold this little man and this congress accountable??? Certainly not
Last time i looked you are content to send a member of congress to be the new president to carry on where this one left off.
4 By all that i read.... you are more concerned with who can win, what democrat can carry the vote regardless of his or her platform..regardless that they are on the same train, going the same direction, as the present one. .
5. The course we are on is the course that you/we choose at the ballot box, and given who is winning in the primaries, it is the one you choose to continue down.
5. Finally, one thing that can be done to bring this country to its knees... is stop buying things.. shop food only.. don't buy that car, that refrigeration or stove, those clothes...this as an alternative to the OBVIOUS ONE OF THROWING OUT YOUR LOCAL CONGRESS MAN/WOMAN WHO CONTINUES TO SAY ONE THING BUT VOTE ANOTHER...FOR FUNDING OF THIS WAR, OR DOES NOT IMMEDIATLY SIGN ON TO THE IMPEACHMENT OF THE LITTLE MAN WHO IS ABOVE THE LAW, ONLY..ONLY...ONLY... DUE TO THIER SAY SO..
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 30, 2008 11:16 PM
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What the judge has done is crypto-facist violation of 1st Ammendment rights - not to mention crossing the line about separation of church and state. No judge should be interpreting scripture while on the bench in court. We live in a secular society, not a Christian society and the Catholic faith of some of the demonstrators has zero bearing on this case.
Are the convicted demonstrators going to be subjected to sexual torture and sent to the secret Naval brig prison in Charleston, South Carolina? That is where American citizens who are deemed a threat to national security and terrorist sympathizers are sent and tortured under the Patriot Act and Military and Commissions Act of 2006. Any American citizen can be sent to prision WITHOUT charges, WITHOUT a trial and denied a lawyer. It can happen to you, me and any of us 300,000 million Americans.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 31, 2008 4:44 AM
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His new novel, The Appeal, is about a wealthy man who sets out to fix an appellate court after a jury returns a verdict against him. Grisham, who practiced law and served in the Mississippi legislature, is against electing judges, especially because there is no limit on what special interests can do to fund a campaign. He says that a person who manages to get ,say, a verdict of wrongful death and damages (much more difficult due to tort "reform") is likely to have it overturned on appeal, because our courts are open to corporate interests and closed to the needs of individuals.
I think it's significant that Grisham is becoming increasingly passionate. He wrote a nonfiction book recently about the death penalty. His views about the judicial system are "conservative" in the best way, and he has plenty of money in the bank, so he's free to do what he likes. He said that none of his thrillers has ever failed to sell well, but he's a little concerned about this one because it does not have a happy ending. "Happens all the time," he says of the effect of money on the selection of judges.
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Posted by: Scientz on Feb 2, 2008 10:10 AM
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In Iraq, dissent often comes at the barrel of a gun, with those willing to die for what they believe in. We protest, no one listens, and then we go home with our tails between our legs. How on earth are we ever supposed to fight against those who refuse to play by the rules if we refuse not to?
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Posted by: flymulla on Feb 2, 2008 1:15 PM
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I have a page open of the Economist and how Mullahs have tried to avoid the issue of the nukes wars. There is also the TV that states the president of the bank is still employed. The French finance minster in the DAVOS refused to tell the whole truth to the reporters stating that, “The investigation is still with the bank and she was able to comment on this at that moment. Now the way I see this is. This was, one moment, the issue could have opened up and followed en-mass.
Would you have been happy then?
I mean your heading is ethics, I see none. Where is it?
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla MBA PhD
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Posted by: foreverhope on Feb 5, 2008 6:04 AM
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Generals that attempted to convince GWB/CHENEY of this disagreeable fact were forced out one way or another, and replaced with someone more agreeable.
So, HOW will the next president, whomever that is and God help us all, how will he/she find enough new soldiers to replace the many many soldiers returning that have already made great sacrifices and can do no more?
AND what will the new president do to improve care for our veterans, ESPECIALLY soldiers returning from combat in Afghanistan and Iraq??
AND, how will he/she (WE) pay for it???
A GREAT many of these returning soldiers are emotionally and mentally exhausted, homeless, in shock, and commiting suicide in great numbers. It is really shameful and heartbreaking IMO, their circumstances are DEPLORABLE.
These are questions that should be answered by anyone that refuses to set the dreaded 'time table for withdrawal'? I sure don't hear anything about this at any of the debates or anyplace else from either party.
Poor kids, doesn't seem as if very many people are interested in their circumstances. They are almost invisable. Exactly how WILL McCain or Mitt, or anyone else vague on withdrawal from Iraq, find (or extract) enough new bodies (CANNON FODDER) to feed their wretched war machine, AND take care of our veterans????
Sort of sorry, this has nothing to do with Blackwater but is the only place I could think to ask these questions. Seems at least semi-on -topic, and it IS important IMO. Our soldiers need and deserve our support no matter how one feels about the war/wars, it is certainly not their fault and hope you won't mind.
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