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Rights and Liberties

Welcome to America ... You're Under Arrest

By S. Abbas Raza, The Smart Set. Posted February 2, 2008.


Tales of a Pakistani immigrant dealing with racial profiling, the Patriot Act and the INS as he tries to make a life in New York City.
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Mr. Sampson, I Presume?

It was about five years ago. I was returning from Pakistan and standing in the immigration line at JFK, completely exhausted after a 20-hour flight. When my turn came up at the counter, the INS agent looked at my papers, typed a few things into his computer, and then asked me to follow him to a large room at the side of the immigration hall. I was informed that I was being detained. Two agents handcuffed me and led me to another smaller room. When I asked what I had done. They said things like, "Oh, you know what you've done. We know who you are."

"Who am I? What have I done?"

"You should know that better than we do, now shouldn't you?"

When I asked to contact a lawyer, I was informed that I hadn't yet been admitted to the United States, and so had no legal standing. No lawyer would be called, nor would I be allowed to call anyone else. They took my cuffs off, fingerprinted me (very difficult because of my sweaty palms), recuffed me, and then left me there.

It was at this point that my knees went a little trembly. I had heard many stories of Pakistanis being held for months without charges under the Patriot Act, and now I had visions of Guantanamo in my head, and I became almost dizzy with the adrenaline rush of fear. I thought that I must have been mistaken for someone else, God knows who, and there would be no chance to clear my name. I sat in that room for a few sweat-drenched hours before a couple of INS officers came in with two police officers from the NYPD. The NYPD officers told me that they had a warrant for my arrest. This immediately came as a huge relief to me, because whatever it was they wanted with me, I would rather be held by the NYPD in New York, than in some INS facility. I felt like whatever it was, I would be able to clear it up.

That's when things started to get weird: The NYPD officers addressed me as Mr. Edward Sampson, as in, "Let's go, Sampson." When I protested that I wasn't Edward Sampson, whoever that might be, they told me that fingerprints don't lie, and I had a full 10-finger match as one (wanted) Edward Sampson. They told me to stop lying and just admit that I really was Edward Sampson. The name sounded vaguely familiar but I couldn't quite place it in my exhausted state. The INS guys removed my cuffs and the NYPD officers replaced them with their own. I was then led out for the perp-walk in front of all the other passengers, coming out by the regular path where people wait for their friends and relatives to come out. People whispered to each other rather excitedly when they saw me being led out, held by each arm by one of the officers, wearing handcuffs and a nice suit I had had tailored while in Pakistan.

It was then that I remembered who Edward Sampson was, and it came to me suddenly: About a decade earlier, my nephew and I had been having a drink at the West End Restaurant and Bar (where Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg used to hang out) near Columbia University (I had just started the Ph.D. program in philosophy there), when four rough-looking characters wandered in. They looked like skinheads, and they sat at the table behind where we were standing at the bar. My nephew had draped his jacket over one of the chairs on which one of these guys was now sitting, and so he tapped the guy on the shoulder to retrieve his jacket. I saw the guy stand up and get in his face, but couldn't hear what was going on. The man then raised his voice and I heard the n-word yelled at my nephew along with a string of curses, after which the man grabbed my nephew's hair with his left hand and drew back his right fist, getting ready to throw a punch.

I hit him first. I had lunged from the side, and my momentum threw both of us to the floor. I didn't know it then, but I was rolling around on the floor of the West End with Edward Sampson.

We were separated by the bouncers of the West End and all six of us were thrown out. Once outside, these guys ganged up on me and managed to throw me to the ground, where I hit my head on the sidewalk. I was momentarily stunned, and had no chance after that. Mr. Sampson pummeled me pretty good. Then the police arrived, and Sampson and crowd quickly walked off. I explained to the police that my nephew had been assaulted, and while trying to protect him, I, too had been beaten up, and that the guys were trying to get away. The police told me that if I insisted on having those guys arrested, they would have to arrest my nephew and me as well, since they hadn't been there to see who started it. I said fine, go ahead and arrest all of us, but I am not going to let these punks get away with this. I figured we would sort it out later in court. And so the four of them were also picked up and all six of us were driven to a precinct where we had our portraits taken, were fingerprinted, etc., before being released on our own recognizance.

After the District Attorney heard the whole story, charges against me and my nephew were eventually dropped, and it was decided that Sampson and his friends would be prosecuted under the hate crimes statute of New York. I was pleased by this, and felt vindicated that I had insisted that the police arrest everyone, rather than just letting these guys walk. Except that those people didn't show up at their hearing, and were never heard from again.


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Human rights
Posted by: Lector on Feb 2, 2008 1:27 AM   
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Human rights existed before all men and women were born yet in this country it seems the only rights we have are the right to obey the law's decision to handcuff and jail you.

Around thirty-two million ethnic Americans have been humiliated in this way, a number nearly equivalent to the population of Canada (33 million). What does this say about the myth of American-style democracy? About the myth of human rights in this society. So, this country wants to export American democracy? Why not build a real democracy in America first before showcasing a cheap product not ready for export.

Pointless

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Amazingly sad and unbelievable
Posted by: progressivetype on Feb 2, 2008 5:37 AM   
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Dear Mr. Raza-

You are obviously intelligent, well educated, well travelled and a good writer, someone I am sure I would enjoy meeting and talking to, esp. as I am a former NY-er. Despite age (55), Jewish and female, I identify with you and admired your lucidity.

And after reading your article I am once again reminded that when a government's agenda is to terrorize the public into compliance, no amount of intelligence or inherent goodness can protect you.

The Injustice system? It is a heartbreaker and it is getting worse, sometimes it is good, but mostly I think not. Professor, the Cousin and Bloody sound lost and resigned to their fates...

Reminds me of the Martin Niemoeller's poem: And then they came for me... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

I hope you enjoy your city and your great sounding life, all we all have is today. Peace to you.

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» RE: Dear AbbasRaza... Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Dear AbbasRaza... Posted by: AbbasRaza
» RE: Dear AbbasRaza... Posted by: Cathyc
The Facist Police State is Upon Us
Posted by: ronheri on Feb 2, 2008 5:49 AM   
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The founding fathers warned us. Ron Paul's campaign seeks to maintain and restore our Constitution. The Nazis used identical tactics. Help save our country...visit: ronpaul2008.com

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If you think it's bad now -
Posted by: symcokid on Feb 2, 2008 9:46 AM   
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try to imagine what the Native Indians had to endure as everything was being stolen from them. The dehumanizing, their women being raped, their babies being fed to the dogs, the Genocide and on and on, never ending.

If we think it's so bad here and it is, try to realize how the Palestinians are living under Israeli occupation, precisely as the Indigenous People of this so called USofA have in the past and still are.

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Keeping Your Mouth Shut
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 2, 2008 10:08 AM   
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Your crime, besides being the wrong color, is speaking up. "You are either with us or against us," as the President has indicated. Therefore, any criticism of America and American foreign policy is deemed subversive. Disagree with the war in Iraq? You are a terrorist sympathizer. Disagree with the Patriot Act? You are a terrorist sympathizer. Disagree with the American supported Israeli occupation of Palestine and the genocide, you are a terrorist sympathizer. You cannot change your color, but you can keep your mouth shut. That is what is expected, especially of foreigners, in the new America.

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Land of Free Speech
Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 2, 2008 10:19 AM   
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America is supposed to be the "Land of the Free". But its hardly a free country, aka a Democracy, if one can't even speak one's mind!

Words don't hurt people. Actions do. And the actions of the Thugs who harrassed Mr. Raza ought to outrage those Americans who regard themselves as civilized.

Is it the case that the majority of Americans are so densensitized that they no longer care what's happening to them, what is being done to them, by their so-called government? Looks like it. In which case, I, for one, would not like to be an American citizen.

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articulate, educated, and sad!
Posted by: grethart on Feb 2, 2008 12:17 PM   
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The information provided was thorough, articulate, educated, and very sad. What has happened to us as people....as a nation?
Well, we all know the answer to that...and in so knowing are we all subversives??!!!

This experience could be a scenario for a movie with the 'assisting' detective who finally checked the records made the quasi hero. Actually, it is, in fact, the detainee with his intestinal fortitude that is the hero.

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job
Posted by: jobeob on Feb 2, 2008 12:30 PM   
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Hello All
The first casualties of war are truth and freedom. As Long as we are at war we will have neither the funds or the freedom to pay for health care, infrastructure, education or any thing else. It's not "the economy stupid". It's the war! It's killing our soldiers our economy and our constitution. You must get on line and go everywhere you can and tell everyone you can that the only way to end this war is to get Ron Paul elected as president. He is the only one who will get the troops home without delay. Others say they will end the war but not for a long time. Obama has even talked about going into Pakistan. And Hillary has sided with the Bush Administration in declaring the Iranian Republican Guard a terrorist organization. That is like some one else calling our National Guard a terrorist organization. Bush Has said he will go after terrorist and the countries that harbor them that means that he is going after Iran and Hillary would do the same thing. Ron Paul may be hard to swallow for some democrats but he is our only hope of ending this war. None of the other candidates not Obama not Clinton not Huckabee not McCain and not Romney will end this war. There is a reason that Ron Paul has more support from military personnel than any other candidate and that is because they will receive the first benefits of peace (not getting shot at and blown up) It's Ron Paul or it is National ID cards, suspension of the Bill of Rights and mass detention facilities

Job

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Be Afraid.........Very Afraid!
Posted by: jvwh3b on Feb 2, 2008 12:38 PM   
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In August 2005 while on vacation in Rome, Italy, I suffered a stroke. I was hospitalized for 2 weeks in Rome’s San Giovanni Hospital, and when I was ready to return to the States, my traveling partner returned to Rome to bring me home.
Because I was in bed for two weeks, my right side was completely weak and a wheelchair was needed for all phases of my trip home to the US. When we arrived at Newark airport and as I was going through the first phase of immigration entry process, I was cleared but then the officer asked me if I was "with" Joe, (not his real name) my traveling partner. When I told him that I was, he then took my passport along with Joe's and sent us to another room off of the main reception hall. The officer that accompanied us shook his head as if to say, “I don’t believe this guy.” (The initial agent.)
We were then in a room with numerous Homeland Security agents sitting at a bank of computers. After being there for approximately 30 minutes, we were cleared to leave the arrivals area. As we were leaving, and nearly approaching the exit (I’m in the wheelchair being pushed by an attendant), another immigration officer who I had observed previously when I was at the first checkpoint, asked for our passports and instructed us to follow him.
We followed this man, Officer Doe (not his real name), to a belt, where he proceeded to badger me with questions like; “Why are you in a wheelchair, does the stroke hurt, why were you in Rome, did you see the Pope, do you go to church, do you believe in God, what are you going to do when you leave here?” (I was going directly to the hospital.) He also asked Joe similar and even more idiotic questions.
I would have to describe the entire situation as insane, while at the same time, frightening. We told this man that we were both government employees (which we are) and law-abiding citizens. He even leafed through my address book, taking out little pieces of paper with personal notes and/or telephone numbers on them and scrutinized them.
I was sick, scared, and totally disgusted at being treated like this as an American citizen. After he completed his “interrogation” we were allowed to leave. My friends who were outside waiting to take me to the hospital were getting worried because we weretaking so long coming out of the Arrivals Terminal. Also, by this time, after dealing with Italian Customs Officers and the long flight home, I was up for nearly 24 hours.
It seems as though a couple of years prior to the Rome trip, Joe was detained at the airport for five hours because of some alleged “gunpowder” on his shoes. That was unfounded. He was in Panama for carnival that year and God-knows-what could have been on his shoes. At any rate, he was cleared.
A few points; the room that we were taken to had about ten other travelers – all people of color. Joe and I are both African-American. I’m inclined to think that the Dept. of Homeland Security is running roughshod over many American travelers, and my case pales in comparison to yours and others. After I returned home from the hospital and rehab, I called the Manager of Homeland Security at Newark Airport and explained the situation to her. I wanted to ascertain if whenever I left the country and returned would I always have a problem. Upon investigation, she told me that "I probably would" because of my association with Joe. Further, since that time I've heard on NPR and from other slources that "once you're on the Homeland Security list, you're always on the list." What that list is beats me.

I wrote my congressman, his office sent me a questionnaire to fill out. I returned it, and to date, there’s been no response.

I plan to travel internationally again very soon, but I dread coming home through Customs.

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Law enforcement is a job. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Posted by: Sojourner on Feb 2, 2008 12:54 PM   
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My daughter had a similar 'suspended license' event. She neglected a seat belt ticket in a nearby community and then while stopped on business travel learned her license was suspended. Fortunately the state patrol sympathized. I ended up doing a remote pay off for the ticket they gave her (on the last permissible day, of course) as that one, too, was neglected. No, she is not a teenager. I don't know my very successful daughter's problem, either.

I believe those pull-you-over--for no turn from 4 pm to 4:10 pm only on Tuesdays when the sun is shining--are a way of collecting tax money and randomly frisking the population.

However, my illegal friends tell me this is still the freest country in the world.

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What to learn from these far too regular experiences ?
Posted by: Burtonger on Feb 2, 2008 7:44 PM   
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DO NOT GO TO AMERICA FOR ANY REASON.
I used to like to visit America and have had very many pleasant fun holidays but will never return and I'm English Caucasian or white Canadian.
America is far too Fascist police state and ignorant narrow minded to risk an innocent visit and has been deemed the worst immigration and customs experience in the modern world.
I miss America.

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» RE: You miss America? Posted by: Dboy
A Worthless Show for Public Consumption
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 2, 2008 8:02 PM   
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The irony of it all is that despite the profiling and looking into individuals personal beliefs, none of us are really any safer from a terrorist attack. Why? The main avenue of sneaking anything into the USA remains open. 95% of incoming cargo in containers is never searched (too expensive). Furthermore, Congressional attempts to make for required better security at chemical and nuclear plants have been stymied by lobbyists (too expensive they say). So, what is left? Hassling non-Caucasion's at the borders? Now, just how stupid does Homeland Security think a terrorist is going to be? What, are they going to use their real names just for you? Of course, they are likely to have aliases and false travel documents, dahh.... In many third world countries especially, it is very easy to acquire fake travel documents including passports. Finally, this entire Homeland Security show I believe is just meant for public consumption, in order to create the illusion of being effective against possible terrorism. But, in reality, Homeland Security is really not effective against anything much at all. Unless you count bothering non-White's at the borders and asking irrelevant questions. Unbelievable.

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reference to article
Posted by: TaL on Feb 2, 2008 11:03 PM   
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Criminal Brief article

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Black humour!
Posted by: phindrup on Feb 3, 2008 12:41 AM   
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I chuckled as I read these misadventures! I have friends who insist that anybody who is picked by the police 'must have done something'!
Some who insist that you 'must trust the government, as they have your welfare at heart'.
Why would anybody trust any government? That is anywhere in the world!
for years I had money lodged with my solicitors.
I tend to be outspoken and push issues. If you are going to fight you have to have all defences in place.
How could anybody take these twits seriously? The problem is the repercussions can be bloody serious!

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Set them Free!
Posted by: williameon on Feb 3, 2008 4:54 AM   
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The only people who belong in prison are
Violent Criminals!
Parole violators and victim less crime violators should go free.
Shorten sentences.
Drug problems are a health issue.
Paying $60,000 to $100,000 to keep someone in Jail instead of providing a $30,000 education is a waste of money.
Prisoners can be released safely and humanely.
The Prison population cut in half.

Two Million People in Prison!
More then any other country World!
It is wrong.
What are we FRANCE?

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I'm sorry but...
Posted by: mine4321 on Feb 3, 2008 6:04 AM   
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... I didn't walk away from this article thinking our nation is harassing you. What I walked away with is a guy who seems to get arrested a lot for crimes he has committed - DUI, suspended license, speeding, assault.

Perhaps spending a little less time looking at those legs on the lawyer and a little more talking about US law. You've already been arrested many more times then I have (NEVER) for offenses which appear to be accurate (except -maybe- the assault).

I'm not making apology for our current policies, clearly there are abuses being commented -BUT- you appear to have been detained in all cases quite legally and understandably. You are just lucky enough to have a lawyer who can manipulate the system to your advantage.

So, I guess I'll end with saying - quit getting into trouble and trouble will stop following you.

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The Real Point is the JOKE that Border/Homeland Security is Now in the USA
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 3, 2008 7:29 AM   
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I think it doesn't matter so much if the author of this article was unjustifiably hassled or not. The bigger question is just how is the homeland security "show" at the borders going to do much of anything, besides consume millions of taxpayer dollars? Looking for terrorist names on databases when anyone with a brain knows in quite a few countries, fake travel documents with fake names are very easily procured for the right price. Or the government scanning millions of email messages to look for "buzz words" that might lead to terrorism, when anyone knows any real terrorists are a lot more sophisticated then this. They will certainly, with email, use proxy servers with unbreakable Blowfish encryption sent to multiple dummy email accounts. Once, again, dahhh,..., oh well, just our government and tax dollars at work. Meanwhile, as I said in an earlier post, hardly any cargo containers arriving in the USA are searched, hundreds of ocean vessels arrive every day unsearched, and thousands of high profile domestic sites such as chemical and power plants are poorly protected. But, nonetheless, we have to put up with this joke of a Keystone Cop show at the borders - and for what? So our politicos can keep up the smoke and mirrors?

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his lawyer's sexy legs???
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Feb 3, 2008 9:26 AM   
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his lawyer's sexy legs??? how utterly disrespectful.

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» RE: his lawyer's sexy legs??? Posted by: aonghus36
Tourism
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Feb 3, 2008 11:22 AM   
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Just like the Icelandic Tourist of the other day, of one thing you may be sure. I will NEVER, by my free will, set a foot in your bloody country.
Not as an immigrant (thank God my country is much better to live than yours)and not even as a tourist.
It is dangerous to do any kind of business with you people !
Best thing to do is to keep away from you and keep YOU away from us.

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Welcome to America, you're under arrest
Posted by: ibolyap on Feb 3, 2008 2:10 PM   
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I really enjoyed your article. It's not a good time to be Pakistani in America at the moment. I don't know how you managed to get past your experience without psychological harm. Being an american citizen won't necessarily keep you from being mistreated I'm afraid. Take care.

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oligarchy contradictions = self-strangulation
Posted by: yantacaw on Feb 3, 2008 2:48 PM   
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Whether it's immigration/trade, envirommental/energy, national security/foreign or any other government policy, America's greatness is being strangleld to death largely by its own oligarchy-caused dilemmas.

Average, common sense people no longer have final democratic control over our election or governing processes. Instead, greed-driven, short-sighted people can now buy - and thus dominate-- government and mass media, enabling the propagation of myopic policies that produce disastrous outcomes for the average citizen.

The personal interests of the insider-wealthy have always held undue influence over American government, but that influence has now reached levels that are becoming fatal for our constitutional republic.

As irrational as human nature may be, a truly self-governing republic remains best guarantee against any particular group of fools using the laws and state power for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many.

I think many of the daunting crises America now faces, would become manageable if money could be gotten out of electoral politics (via a constitutional amendment), and
sovereignty were restored to the mass of average, decent citizens.

This is exactly what our country's founders intended -- and for damn good reason, as we now see-perhaps-too-late..

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Author Responds
Posted by: AbbasRaza on Feb 3, 2008 2:49 PM   
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This is my comment on my own site:

Hi Guys and Gals,

Thanks very much for the comments. Something unfortunate and inadvertant has happened here. The editors of The Smart Set decided to stick the tag line "A Pakistani tries to get by in New York (with little success)" on the article, and perhaps this has colored people's perceptions. (The added picture and its caption didn't help either, but I think they were meant to be toungue-in-cheek.) To the contrary, I have lived in New York, and indeed in other parts of the United States with GREAT success. These were isolated and random incidents. With the exception of the skinheads (and even there, I was not the original object of their racism, I just happened to get involved), I have never felt like I was being treated the way I was because of my ethnicity or race. The fingerprint mixup was just that: a clerical error. The night in jail for a suspended licence was something New Yorkers of all races endured. And whatever prejudice there was in denying me US citienship was directed toward me by a fellow South Asian Muslim. Let me emphasize this: I have NEVER, at work, at college, at university, or elsewhere (except for airports after 9/11) felt that I have been mistreated because of race or religion or ethnicity in America. On the contrary, America has been remarkably fair in its treatment of me. (Even the citizenship was granted on appeal, after all.)

Even after the horrific attacks by Muslims on 9/11, I have never once felt singled out for mistreatment or suspicion in New York City, nor has anyone else I know, including many Arab friends. It is a remarkable and beautiful thing, really. Europe is far more xenophobic, and I have already had run ins with the Carabinieri here (sorry Bhaisaheb), and solely because of how I look. (My Pakistani friend--a prof at Oxford--and I, were stopped, for example, walking on the street and asked to show our papers and held there for a half hour until they could check up on us. My wife's sister said to me that it was just a random check. I asked her how many times she has been randomly checked in the past 30 years here. The predictable answer: zero. I have been stopped several times in 3 months.)

There is an ease with which America assimilates its immigrants that is very different from Europe. My stories were just meant to be funny. Please don't take them as some sort of complaint. I have no complaints.

P.S. Bonus Anecdote: When my Oxford friend and I were stopped, the two Carabinieri (Italian police) didn't speak too much English, and no German (my Pakistani friend speaks fluent German and I can get by in it, but neither of us speaks any Italian). So they were trying to talk to us in English. After a couple of questions, one of them, I think, meaning to ask me what I do in NY, in his broken English, asked, "Why you live in New York?" This was too much for my friend who exploded at the guy with a staccato barrage: "Why does he live in New York?!" "Why do you live here?" "Why does anyone live anywhere?" "Who do you think you are, Sartre?" "What kind of existentialist Gestapo tactics are these?" etc. It was quite funny really to see this 20-year old Italian kid become completely flabbergasted. I had to calm my friend before we got hauled in!

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Vote for Ron Paul on tuesday
Posted by: CUnknown on Feb 3, 2008 2:50 PM   
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Vote for Ron Paul if you want to end the war in Iraq. Vote for Ron Paul if you want to end the war on drugs and free the prisoners. Vote for Ron Paul if you want to close not just Guantanamo but all secret prisons.

Vote for Ron Paul if you want peace and freedom for all.

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» Paul-ites are everywhere Posted by: mine4321
» RE: Paul-ites are everywhere Posted by: aonghus36
The Fascist State is a reflection of the People themselves
Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 4, 2008 2:34 PM   
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The Bush administration is a reflection of American Society, otherwise Bu$hco wouldn't be in power!

As long as the "Battered Wife" continues to see herself as nothing other than a BW, she will let Thug Husband continue to control and dominate her. So it is with the American people...

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Here's an even bigger civil rights violation - on tape
Posted by: The Underboss on Feb 5, 2008 10:10 AM   
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Where is the outrage?

Mr. Raza's experiences are disturbing (having lived in NYC and gone through similar experiences myself - I can elate).

However, this is more disturbing:

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=24786

And all of this is captured on tape. I watched it on you tube, (maybe 5-6 min long) it is very disturbing that such an act took place in this country.

What is even more disturbing is that this story is not on every news show across America.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=24786

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This is what happens when...
Posted by: Quannah on Feb 6, 2008 11:06 PM   
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citizens in this country fall for the story that we have been spoonfed here in the last few years. While those on the right jump up and down and scream about how we should be profiling those who "look middle eastern" because they could be terrorists, look what our so-called leaders have been doing to us and to our country! Same argument about "illegal aliens." As long as we focus on these convenient topics, we won't discuss the real crimes being perpetrated by our own government against us.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

We all need to wake up! It's the author today, and it will be the rest of us tomorrow.

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» RE: This is what happens when... Posted by: A. Servant
Its a police state. Isnt something like 3% of pop in penal system
Posted by: kungfoofighterx on Feb 7, 2008 12:09 PM   
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What do you think happens in a police state? They arrest people. You can get arrested for any reason. You might not be held in prison, but you will at least be arrested and booked. Seems fairly normal. This what the people who live in the USA want. They vote for it, Demand it, and pay for it happily with taxes. They even have prime time shows where you can watch people get arrested both real and fictional. You could say that author had a culturally rich experience in the USA. Just ask any one who is a member of an ethnic minority, part of the lower economic rungs, or very mentally ill but able to feed oneself. Sounds the like the author was wealthy (who broke a number of laws) and now is culturally rich.

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Are You Religious?
Posted by: dare2baware on Feb 8, 2008 11:46 AM   
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Last year I travelled to Peru and had a stopover in Atlanta. Going through customs and having my passport checked the 'officer' starred at my necklace to than ask me to take a step back when he "eyed me up" from top to bottom more than once. When he 'finished, he said "what's the meaning of your necklace? Are you religious? What's your belief system? What do you practise?".... I felt my hands go sweaty and asked which question he would like me to answer first.... and again he interrigated me about my beliefs. I told him that I wasn't in any kind of way religious or connected with any groups. That I wasn't practising anything. Than he asked me "are you a buddhist?" ... he couldn't take his eyes of my pendant... so I said "why are you asking"? He pointed at my necklace and I told him that I didn't know what it meant, that someone bought it for me as I liked the shape....He gave me a lecture about it and than let me go... Isn't is scary to be interrigated for wearing the "Om" sign?

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Demcracy and the lies we hear. What exactly are we talking?
Posted by: flymulla on Feb 9, 2008 7:02 PM   
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With best of the spy planes and the most sophisticated weapons, the GPS, the stealth bombes leave no room for the yes and ears, sir. The lies are here and will stay, linger on whether you call of privacy or the democracy. Both are farce issues. I am not saying this. No. I am an honest citizen trying to tell other what was right and was wrong.
Germany Says no Plan to Boost Troops in Afghanistan
Gates says European reluctance linked to Iraq
"I think they [the Europeans] combine the two," Gates continued. "Many of them, I think, have a problem with our involvement in Iraq and project that to Afghanistan and do not understand the very different -- for them -- the very different kind of threat." All have the articulate way of spying the areas and telling us, “Look, Saddam has bombs, Afghanistan is producing the drug. That is it?”
Afghanistan different from Iraq
The US invaded Iraq in 2003, saying they had evidence that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destructions. However no such weapons were found and the war remains deeply unpopular across much of Europe. By contrast, the conflict in Afghanistan, where al Qaeda militants flourished under Taliban rule, had broader international support.>> No, it does not have now.

Mr. Gates is telling truth. The Germans do not want to come into your spying, into the roadmaps. It is filled with holes, no lens, no eyes, no ears, only blood.
Firozali A. Mulla MBA PhD
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