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Are We Headed Back to the Era of Segregation?
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Today, nearly a decade after a court struck down its racial-balancing busing program, the school district is moving in the opposite direction. More than half of its elementary schools are either more than 90 percent black or 90 percent white.
"Charlotte is rapidly resegregating," says Carol Sawyer, a parent and member of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools Equity Committee.
It's a trend that is occurring around the country and is even more pronounced than expected in the wake of court cases dismantling both mandated and voluntary integration programs, a new report says. The most segregated schools, according to the report, which documents desegregation trends, are in big cities of the Northeast and Midwest. The South and West -- and rural areas and small towns generally -- offer minority students a bit more diversity.
Suburbs of large cities, meanwhile, are becoming the new frontier: areas to which many minorities are moving.
These places still have a chance to remain diverse communities but are showing signs of replicating the segregation patterns of the cities themselves.
"It's getting to the point of almost absolute segregation in the worst of the segregated cities - within one or two percentage points of what the Old South used to be like," says Gary Orfield, codirector of the Civil Rights Project and one of the study's authors. "The biggest metro areas are the epicenters of segregation. It's getting worse for both blacks and Latinos, and nothing is being done about it."
About one-sixth of black students and one-ninth of Latino students attend what Mr. Orfield calls "apartheid schools," at least 99 percent minority. In big cities, black and Latino students are nearly twice as likely to attend such schools. Some two-thirds of black and Latino students in big cities attend schools with less than 10 percent white students; in rural areas, about one-seventh of black and Latino students do. Although the South was the region that originally integrated the most successfully, it's beginning to resegregate, as in the Charlotte-Mecklenburg district.
While resegregation has been taking place for some time, Orfield says the latest numbers are worrisome both for the degree to which they show the trend is occurring and in light of the US Supreme Court's most recent decision on the issue last June, which struck down several voluntary integration programs and made it more difficult for districts that want to work at desegregating schools to do so.
"If you [as a district] are going to ask your lawyer what's the easiest thing to do, it's to just stop trying to do anything," Orfield explains. "That's a recipe for real segregation."
Not everyone feels that way. Some groups applauded the Supreme Court's decision last summer as another step toward taking race out of school admission policies and allowing parents to send their kids to the schools most convenient for them. If schools start reflecting neighborhood makeup - which often means nearly all-white or all-minority - that doesn't have to matter, they say.
"Segregation means people are being deliberately assigned to schools based on skin color," says Roger Clegg, president of the Center for Equal Opportunity in Falls Church, Va. "If it simply reflects neighborhoods, then it's not segregation."
Mr. Clegg questions some of the resegregation research, noting that the percentage of white students in schools is often going down simply because they're a decreasing portion of the population. He also quibbles with the notion that an all-black, all-Hispanic, or all-white school is necessarily a bad thing.
"I don't think that the education that you get hinges on the color of the person sitting next to you in the classroom," Clegg says. "What educators should focus on is improving schools."
That sounds great in theory, say some experts, but the fact is that segregated schools tend to be highly correlated with such things as school performance and the ability to attract teachers.
"Once you separate kids spacially from more privileged kids, they tend to not get the same things," says Amy Stuart Wells, an education professor at Columbia University's Teachers College in New York. "And we need to start thinking about how a school that's racially isolated can be preparing students for this global society we live in."
Still, many of the programs that worked to achieve integration - such as busing - have been highly unpopular over the years. And in big cities, real integration is often virtually impossible: Many cities have largely minority populations, and the districts don't extend to the suburbs.
Suburbs, though, offer potential. The Civil Rights Project report noted that big-city suburbs educate 7.9 million white students along with 2.1 million blacks and 2.9 million Latinos. "This is the new frontier for thinking about how to make diverse schools work," says Professor Wells.
But so far, the data for suburbs are not encouraging, showing emerging segregation. Some integration advocates say this shows a need for more diversity training for teachers and students and for policies that encourage integrated housing, not just schools.
"Each affects the other," says Erica Frankenberg, the co-author on the Civil Rights Project study. "Unless we think about this jointly, we're probably not going to be able to create stable racial integrated neighborhoods and schools."
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 28, 2008 12:38 AM
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You really didn't think gated communities were about crime, did you?
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Posted by: eosrk on Jan 28, 2008 1:05 AM
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Thank you very much US supreme court for it, also.
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Posted by: Lesha on Jan 28, 2008 1:31 AM
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This is the way it has been since the beginning of time.
People have shared ideas and have traded with each other but never in the history of man has there been a society established on a integrated concept (at least not on a large scale). For the first 450 years The United States built its foundation and society off of white ideas and did not allow other people (including Europeans) to interfere with the blueprint of the countries morals and values it would adapt. The following is separation.
What the above establishes is that the belief in the American dream is not a belief in a collaboration of different cultures who contributed to founding principles of this country but rather the acceptance of white ideas. This is the dream (or fantasy) that people of color have been installed with (especially blacks) that we (people of color) may one day live among white people and that one day we may hold hands with them and laugh it up showing our teeth.
Segregation is apart of nature and should not be looked at as a bad thing. Everything from the insect world to the animal kingdom obeys nature and you will not see them intermingling with each other. We will not see different bird species and aquatic life joining feathers and fins to sing Kombiyah.
When people had there own land to operate independently without outside interference, there was more peace in the world than it is today despite the wars that took place during that time between different groups of people.
I say that if there is a chance based on what we know from history that peace could be gain through separation, we should be open minded enough to explore it.
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Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Jan 28, 2008 4:06 AM
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My school was 5 minutes away from my home...by foot. That meant I could go home to have lunch, make frequent use of the installations during weekends and even Summer. That improved my quality of life, and beign forced to spend 60-120 min a day on a bus route, like some people I know, means no advantage from any point of view.
Worried about public schools inequity? invest in the system to ensure those schools in less favored areas bring the same education and opportunities to their pupils. Plan new school districts so they are as integrated as possible, by including diverse neighbourhoods; put gerrymandering into good use for a change.
And forbid home schooling... the parents have right to decide the children education ends where the rest of society has to suffer them as grown ups.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 28, 2008 5:24 AM
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I was shocked and angry at the obvious discrimination, but it has since occurred to me that in a predominantly white school, her considerable gifts might have been discounted.
On one level of our society we have a lot of white folks watching Oprah or trying to look "ghetto", but when you see the lily-white world in which they live and work, it's hard not to think their understanding of race is just a veneer. We'll see...
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 28, 2008 5:45 AM
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You can't have the high achieving asian kid, without all the white kids fleeing any schools where they will be dragged down by underachieving minorities. In the modern world people make elaborate risk calculations. Giving your kid the safest environment with the highest number of achieving kids, is a risk calculation.
The only way to reverse this, if it is ever possible, is to improve the quality of schools in all neighbourhoods. Maybe, eventually, over time people will drift back and forth more. Let me give an example: I feel very comfortable asian-majority neighbourhoods: I like their food, culture and business and work ethic. I do not feel comfortable in black-majority neighbourhoods, not because I don't like black culture (I do), but because there is too much negative stuff going on to make me feel comfortable or feel inspired. Those are the sad facts.
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Posted by: sausage on Jan 28, 2008 6:18 AM
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Dispite denial, and all white liberals will deny it, this phrase is code for "Very few minorities".
Then they'll prattle on about the "cultural diversity of the area, pointing our that Dr. _____, the African American surgeon lives down the street, Mr. ____, the Vietnamese American lawyer and his family goes to their church and the kids of Mr. and Mrs. ______ the Mexican American restaurateurs attend the same shcool as their kids.
This is code for, "The minorities who do live here are on the same socioeconomic level as we and are very similar culturally."
The wholehearted and unquestioning support of the 1971 Supreme Court decision Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, the school busing for racial balance case, without further discussion of political action by northern liberals was one of the biggest mistakes of the Twentieth Century for the Democratic Party. The apparent attitude seemed to me at that time, and afterwards, one of "Well, boys, we've reached Martin Luther King, Jr.'s mountaintop, it's all downhill from here."
Really now, I don't know what the perscription maybe to remedy the situation, except for a political action which is guaranteed to turn white liberals into raving racists. But I'll give you my remedy anyway. There should be an immediate halt on any and all single-family developments in rural areas; corporate city-limits frozen for the next thirty years; no single-family dwellings built on cropland; low-income housing per every 25 units in existing single-family housing developments.
That's the best I can come up with--even liberals will whine that my ideas are too dictatorial, too restrictive so you know what libertarians will say--but it'll never be done in my lifetime. Maybe someone, some day will come up with some better ideas but I doubt it.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 28, 2008 6:36 AM
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Pro-choice anyone? Or once born, who gives a damn about choice 'eh?
I submit that the answer to educating children better in poorly performing schools is to teach them more effectively, not to bully parents out of their choices for their children.
That's my perspective, and admittedly, I lack sufficient arrogance to presume I know best how to raise your child, barring me somewhat from participation in this debate over choice.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 28, 2008 8:04 AM
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In today's world, parents with enough money almost always send their children to private schools, where the class sizes are small and the students get more individual attention. Public schools are becoming the exclusive province of low-income families.
What is needed is government investment in public education across the board - which means re-engineering funding for public schools. If schools are funded by local property taxes, then you're going to see a wealth-based disparity in school quality, and there are simply a lot more wealthy communities with lower black/latino and higher white/asian populations. Inherited wealth has a lot to do with that as well.
It may seem like a radical notion, but people pay taxes to the government, and the government should in return provide a solid, basic level of health care and education for all U.S. citizens. Instead, you've got massive giveaways to billionaires via government contracts for overseas wars and "Homeland Security."
As a result, we see cuts in state and federal funding for education, and increases in state and federal funding for private prison contractors, private paramilitary "security forces", and school voucher / charter school programs (all evident in post-Katrina New Orleans) - all of which are sure to increase the growing gap between rich and poor in the U.S.
That's the real segregation that's been going on for some time - you might also want to look at the demographic makeup of gated communities across the U.S. Wealthy blacks and latinos are welcome - there are just fewer of them than in poor communities.
Then take a look at the prisons: Race, Prisons and Poverty 2001
"In the last two-and-a-half decades, the prison population has undergone what the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics director Jan Chaiken last year called "literally incredible" expansion. Chaiken reported a quadrupling of the U.S. incarceration rate since 1975.
That rate, more than 600 prisoners for every 100,000 people, is by far the highest in the industrialized world. The U.S. incarcerates its citizens at a rate six times higher than Canada, England, and France, seven times higher than Switzerland and Holland, and ten times Sweden and Finland.
Beyond sheer magnitude, a second aspect of America's incarceration boom is its heavily racialized nature. On any given day, Chaiken reported, 30 percent of African-American males ages 20 to 29 are "under correctional supervision"-either in jail or prison or on probation or parole. . .
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Jan 28, 2008 9:15 AM
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I am so very grateful for this treatise. The discussion is an important one. The Presidential candidates say they prefer not to make "race" an issue. For me, that is the issue. As long as we do not speak of what is, it will worsen.
Yesterday, I began to pen my thoughts on the topic one more time. There is so much to consider. Much to my astonishment, the attitudes of some allow us to be separate and unequal. You offer . . ."Segregation means people are being deliberately assigned to schools based on skin color," says Roger Clegg, president of the Center for Equal Opportunity in Falls Church, Va. "If it simply reflects neighborhoods, then it's not segregation."
I cringe.
I too am very aware that racism is rampant in the North. You may be familiar with James W. Loewen and his work on Sundown Towns.
From Maine to California, thousands of communities kept out African Americans (or sometimes Chinese Americans, Jewish Americans, etc.) by force, law, or custom. These communities are sometimes called "sundown towns" because some of them posted signs at their city limits reading, typically, "N*gg*r, Don't Let The Sun Go Down On You In ___." . . . When I began this research, I expected to find about 10 sundown towns in Illinois (my home state) and perhaps 50 across the country. Instead, I have found more than 440 in Illinois and thousands across the United States.
I also wish to share some of my thoughts on the subject.
Clinton And Obama Call For Truce; Racism Battles On
Supreme Court Rules; Brown Versus Board of Education Reversed
"What to the American Slave is Your Fourth of July?" Black America Grieves
Jena Six. Justice: Permission Granted. Judgment: Permission Denied
Black Men, Still Separate and Unequal
Betsy L. Angert
BeThink.org
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Posted by: billwald on Jan 28, 2008 10:42 AM
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Truth is . . . middle class leadership in all areas of expertise (except sports) is passing to our Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and East Indian young people. As evidence, look at the names of the government, scientific, and economic "experts" quoted in the papers and on TV these days. When I was a kid these sorts of names never had a place in our national or local news. The day of the WASP is over.
The day of the African American never will be because there is something defective about African American culture. The only chance for black people to go main stream is to replace "Black History Month" with "Emulate Korean Culture Month" else the Hispanics will be the next favored minority. The Chinese and Koreans . . . are already main stream.
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Posted by: sweet_byrd on Jan 29, 2008 11:14 AM
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This comment brings up a question -- aren't we disadvantaging all students (minorities and non-minorities both) with non-diverse schools? After all, working in diverse groups and learning in a diverse atmosphere is an invaluable learning experience of which no student should be deprived. The de facto re-segregation of schools impoverishes all students.
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Posted by: DaBear on Jan 30, 2008 11:31 AM
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Time to change zoning laws.... no more gated communes of aristocrats and corporados, no more minority [read poor] schools, enforce mixed housing, mixed neighborhoods.
White supremacy has to be stamped out with an iron boot, it's the only thing they understand. Class is a weapon.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 28, 2008 12:38 AM
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You really didn't think gated communities were about crime, did you?
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Posted by: eosrk on Jan 28, 2008 1:05 AM
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Thank you very much US supreme court for it, also.
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Posted by: Lesha on Jan 28, 2008 1:31 AM
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This is the way it has been since the beginning of time.
People have shared ideas and have traded with each other but never in the history of man has there been a society established on a integrated concept (at least not on a large scale). For the first 450 years The United States built its foundation and society off of white ideas and did not allow other people (including Europeans) to interfere with the blueprint of the countries morals and values it would adapt. The following is separation.
What the above establishes is that the belief in the American dream is not a belief in a collaboration of different cultures who contributed to founding principles of this country but rather the acceptance of white ideas. This is the dream (or fantasy) that people of color have been installed with (especially blacks) that we (people of color) may one day live among white people and that one day we may hold hands with them and laugh it up showing our teeth.
Segregation is apart of nature and should not be looked at as a bad thing. Everything from the insect world to the animal kingdom obeys nature and you will not see them intermingling with each other. We will not see different bird species and aquatic life joining feathers and fins to sing Kombiyah.
When people had there own land to operate independently without outside interference, there was more peace in the world than it is today despite the wars that took place during that time between different groups of people.
I say that if there is a chance based on what we know from history that peace could be gain through separation, we should be open minded enough to explore it.
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Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Jan 28, 2008 4:06 AM
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My school was 5 minutes away from my home...by foot. That meant I could go home to have lunch, make frequent use of the installations during weekends and even Summer. That improved my quality of life, and beign forced to spend 60-120 min a day on a bus route, like some people I know, means no advantage from any point of view.
Worried about public schools inequity? invest in the system to ensure those schools in less favored areas bring the same education and opportunities to their pupils. Plan new school districts so they are as integrated as possible, by including diverse neighbourhoods; put gerrymandering into good use for a change.
And forbid home schooling... the parents have right to decide the children education ends where the rest of society has to suffer them as grown ups.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 28, 2008 5:24 AM
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I was shocked and angry at the obvious discrimination, but it has since occurred to me that in a predominantly white school, her considerable gifts might have been discounted.
On one level of our society we have a lot of white folks watching Oprah or trying to look "ghetto", but when you see the lily-white world in which they live and work, it's hard not to think their understanding of race is just a veneer. We'll see...
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 28, 2008 5:45 AM
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You can't have the high achieving asian kid, without all the white kids fleeing any schools where they will be dragged down by underachieving minorities. In the modern world people make elaborate risk calculations. Giving your kid the safest environment with the highest number of achieving kids, is a risk calculation.
The only way to reverse this, if it is ever possible, is to improve the quality of schools in all neighbourhoods. Maybe, eventually, over time people will drift back and forth more. Let me give an example: I feel very comfortable asian-majority neighbourhoods: I like their food, culture and business and work ethic. I do not feel comfortable in black-majority neighbourhoods, not because I don't like black culture (I do), but because there is too much negative stuff going on to make me feel comfortable or feel inspired. Those are the sad facts.
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Posted by: sausage on Jan 28, 2008 6:18 AM
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Dispite denial, and all white liberals will deny it, this phrase is code for "Very few minorities".
Then they'll prattle on about the "cultural diversity of the area, pointing our that Dr. _____, the African American surgeon lives down the street, Mr. ____, the Vietnamese American lawyer and his family goes to their church and the kids of Mr. and Mrs. ______ the Mexican American restaurateurs attend the same shcool as their kids.
This is code for, "The minorities who do live here are on the same socioeconomic level as we and are very similar culturally."
The wholehearted and unquestioning support of the 1971 Supreme Court decision Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, the school busing for racial balance case, without further discussion of political action by northern liberals was one of the biggest mistakes of the Twentieth Century for the Democratic Party. The apparent attitude seemed to me at that time, and afterwards, one of "Well, boys, we've reached Martin Luther King, Jr.'s mountaintop, it's all downhill from here."
Really now, I don't know what the perscription maybe to remedy the situation, except for a political action which is guaranteed to turn white liberals into raving racists. But I'll give you my remedy anyway. There should be an immediate halt on any and all single-family developments in rural areas; corporate city-limits frozen for the next thirty years; no single-family dwellings built on cropland; low-income housing per every 25 units in existing single-family housing developments.
That's the best I can come up with--even liberals will whine that my ideas are too dictatorial, too restrictive so you know what libertarians will say--but it'll never be done in my lifetime. Maybe someone, some day will come up with some better ideas but I doubt it.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 28, 2008 6:36 AM
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Pro-choice anyone? Or once born, who gives a damn about choice 'eh?
I submit that the answer to educating children better in poorly performing schools is to teach them more effectively, not to bully parents out of their choices for their children.
That's my perspective, and admittedly, I lack sufficient arrogance to presume I know best how to raise your child, barring me somewhat from participation in this debate over choice.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 28, 2008 8:04 AM
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In today's world, parents with enough money almost always send their children to private schools, where the class sizes are small and the students get more individual attention. Public schools are becoming the exclusive province of low-income families.
What is needed is government investment in public education across the board - which means re-engineering funding for public schools. If schools are funded by local property taxes, then you're going to see a wealth-based disparity in school quality, and there are simply a lot more wealthy communities with lower black/latino and higher white/asian populations. Inherited wealth has a lot to do with that as well.
It may seem like a radical notion, but people pay taxes to the government, and the government should in return provide a solid, basic level of health care and education for all U.S. citizens. Instead, you've got massive giveaways to billionaires via government contracts for overseas wars and "Homeland Security."
As a result, we see cuts in state and federal funding for education, and increases in state and federal funding for private prison contractors, private paramilitary "security forces", and school voucher / charter school programs (all evident in post-Katrina New Orleans) - all of which are sure to increase the growing gap between rich and poor in the U.S.
That's the real segregation that's been going on for some time - you might also want to look at the demographic makeup of gated communities across the U.S. Wealthy blacks and latinos are welcome - there are just fewer of them than in poor communities.
Then take a look at the prisons: Race, Prisons and Poverty 2001
"In the last two-and-a-half decades, the prison population has undergone what the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics director Jan Chaiken last year called "literally incredible" expansion. Chaiken reported a quadrupling of the U.S. incarceration rate since 1975.
That rate, more than 600 prisoners for every 100,000 people, is by far the highest in the industrialized world. The U.S. incarcerates its citizens at a rate six times higher than Canada, England, and France, seven times higher than Switzerland and Holland, and ten times Sweden and Finland.
Beyond sheer magnitude, a second aspect of America's incarceration boom is its heavily racialized nature. On any given day, Chaiken reported, 30 percent of African-American males ages 20 to 29 are "under correctional supervision"-either in jail or prison or on probation or parole. . .
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Jan 28, 2008 9:15 AM
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I am so very grateful for this treatise. The discussion is an important one. The Presidential candidates say they prefer not to make "race" an issue. For me, that is the issue. As long as we do not speak of what is, it will worsen.
Yesterday, I began to pen my thoughts on the topic one more time. There is so much to consider. Much to my astonishment, the attitudes of some allow us to be separate and unequal. You offer . . ."Segregation means people are being deliberately assigned to schools based on skin color," says Roger Clegg, president of the Center for Equal Opportunity in Falls Church, Va. "If it simply reflects neighborhoods, then it's not segregation."
I cringe.
I too am very aware that racism is rampant in the North. You may be familiar with James W. Loewen and his work on Sundown Towns.
From Maine to California, thousands of communities kept out African Americans (or sometimes Chinese Americans, Jewish Americans, etc.) by force, law, or custom. These communities are sometimes called "sundown towns" because some of them posted signs at their city limits reading, typically, "N*gg*r, Don't Let The Sun Go Down On You In ___." . . . When I began this research, I expected to find about 10 sundown towns in Illinois (my home state) and perhaps 50 across the country. Instead, I have found more than 440 in Illinois and thousands across the United States.
I also wish to share some of my thoughts on the subject.
Clinton And Obama Call For Truce; Racism Battles On
Supreme Court Rules; Brown Versus Board of Education Reversed
"What to the American Slave is Your Fourth of July?" Black America Grieves
Jena Six. Justice: Permission Granted. Judgment: Permission Denied
Black Men, Still Separate and Unequal
Betsy L. Angert
BeThink.org
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Posted by: billwald on Jan 28, 2008 10:42 AM
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Truth is . . . middle class leadership in all areas of expertise (except sports) is passing to our Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and East Indian young people. As evidence, look at the names of the government, scientific, and economic "experts" quoted in the papers and on TV these days. When I was a kid these sorts of names never had a place in our national or local news. The day of the WASP is over.
The day of the African American never will be because there is something defective about African American culture. The only chance for black people to go main stream is to replace "Black History Month" with "Emulate Korean Culture Month" else the Hispanics will be the next favored minority. The Chinese and Koreans . . . are already main stream.
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Posted by: sweet_byrd on Jan 29, 2008 11:14 AM
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This comment brings up a question -- aren't we disadvantaging all students (minorities and non-minorities both) with non-diverse schools? After all, working in diverse groups and learning in a diverse atmosphere is an invaluable learning experience of which no student should be deprived. The de facto re-segregation of schools impoverishes all students.
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Posted by: DaBear on Jan 30, 2008 11:31 AM
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Time to change zoning laws.... no more gated communes of aristocrats and corporados, no more minority [read poor] schools, enforce mixed housing, mixed neighborhoods.
White supremacy has to be stamped out with an iron boot, it's the only thing they understand. Class is a weapon.
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