Unless there is some confirmation of of the 'informant' or 'hacked email' accuracy, this piece is worthless.

I find it hard to believe someone on the informant payroll would be revealing it in an email.

Time will tell.

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it has come to light that an FBI agent was supporting McVeigh. also the so-called Liberty City cell in Miami had an FBI agent paying them money to buy military gear. dig beneath the surface on a lot of these headlines splashed across the media and you will find most involve patsies setup by US intellingence agencies to create the false assumption that there are terror groups all around the country. the War on Terror is a farce and is used to shred any civil liberties that are left.

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FBI support????

WHO, WHERE, WHEN ???????


TALK IS CHEAP.

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The Informant: The FBI, the Ku Klux Klan, and the Murder of Viola Liuzzo

"In The Informant, historian Gary May reveals the untold story of the murder of civil rights worker Viola Liuzzo, shot to death by members of the violent Birmingham Ku Klux Klan at the end of Martin Luther King’s historic Voting Rights March in 1965. The case drew national attention and was solved almost instantly, because one of the Klansman present during the shooting was Gary Thomas Rowe, an undercover FBI informant. At the time, Rowe’s information and subsequent testimony were heralded as a triumph of law enforcement. But as Gary May reveals in this provocative and powerful book, Rowe’s history of collaboration with both the Klan and the FBI was far more complex."

"Based on previously unexamined FBI and Justice Department Records, The Informant demonstrates that in their ongoing efforts to protect Rowe’s cover, the FBI knowingly became an accessory to some of the most grotesque crimes of the Civil Rights era--including a vicious attack on the Freedom Riders and perhaps even the bombing of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church."

When you put that next to the long-running efforts by the FBI to target and discredit Martin Luther King, you come up with a very different picture of what the FBI was (and is?) all about:

". . . Despite an intensive surveillance campaign, Sullivan was unable to find a clear link between King and the American Communist Party. When told this by Sullivan, Hoover replied: “I kept saying that Castro was a Communist and you people wouldn’t believe me. Now they are saying that King is not a Communist and you’re just as wrong this time as you were with Castro.”

Sullivan continued in his campaign to discredit King. In a memo to Hoover in December, 1963, Sullivan wrote: “When the true facts concerning his (King’s) activities are presented, such should be enough, if handled properly, to take him off his pedestal… When that is done… the Negroes will be left without a national leader of sufficiently compelling personality to steer them in the proper direction.”

In June, 1967, Hoover had a meeting with fellow gambler, close friend, and Texas oil billionaire, H. L. Hunt in Chicago. Hunt was very concerned that the activities of King might unseat Lyndon B. Johnson. This could be an expensive defeat as Johnson doing a good job protecting the oil depletion allowance. According to William Pepper: “Hoover said he thought a final solution was necessary. Only that action would stop King.”

For more, see the FBI files on Martin Luther King. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

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More supreme thinking and behavior from the white race. When will you stupid people who support this racist pig (and I mean cop) get it?? All sell-outs rats, just think how many aryan goofballs tossed and turned in thier cells losing sleep cause they found-out that thier hero is a coprat and a fbi at that. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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The government has a long history of using agent provocateurs to single out criminals.
All this wiener does is promote violence, then report anyone who retorts they support his violent ideals.
Its a very effective method to identify radicals.

I guarantee Hal Turner is working for the FBI.
This is obvious because he would have been shut down otherwise.
The FBI and ADL are notorious for sponsoring people to entice violence and hatred. It only benefits them, and gives them more reason to exist.

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Are Nazis Financed by Western Intelligence Agencies?

Western intelligence agencies have been documented founding and funding German neo-nazi movements. Some Neo-Nazis operating in the U.S. today, may in fact be supported with your tax payer dollars. See information below:

The Question that should be answered by the FBI: did the FBI pay New Jersey radio host Hal Turner to “Flush out Crazies” as mentioned in the article? "Once again," Turner writes to his handler, "my fierce rhetoric has served to flush out a possible crazy."

During the period approximately 1965 through the Vietnam War and through 1990 the FBI used informant information to Recruit persons to facilitate chaos in the United States? The Church hearings exposed the Cointelpro operation. Canada our neighbor, covertly in the 1990’s used its Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), the domestic intelligence agency, operating with British secret services to re-form the "Church of the Creator" making the church an arm of the Nazi Heritage Front. Subsequently it was uncovered that Heritage Front, Canada’s number one Neo Nazi Organization was founded and funded by the Canadian government. Heritage Front members frequently attacked persons on the left and anti-racists.

Subsequently according to the published, “Neo-NAZI Shooters Are Stooges Of British Commonwealth Secret Services” By Anton Chaitkin, see Executive Intelligence Review Originally Published In The New Federalist, the official British Commonwealth review praised the CSIS spy agency and Grant Bristow for maintaining "active" agents in racist groups—to avert violence. Perhaps the FBI will allege that about using New Jersey radio host Hal Turner if that is the case. Heritage Front was run by Neo-Nazi Wolfgang Droege. You may read and find this specific information at: http://www.rense.com/politics4/nail.htm

According to that publication, in 1994 Brian MCInnis an aide to former Canadian Solicitor General Douglas Lewis gave the Toronto Star “classified” Government documents that revealed Grant Bristow was paid by the Canadian spy agency a $50,000 salary and approximately $300,000 to fund Canada’s number one Nazi Organization Storm Front. According to that publication one involved Canadian spy was making trips to the U.S. to take law classes from the FBI. And prior in 1992, South African police spies were assigned to use the "Church of the Creator" revived by the Canadian Spy Agency to recruit persons in their war against the African National Congress. Members of both the "Church of the Creator" and “Storm Front” apparently crisscrossed the U.S. and Canadian border.

See at Majorityrights.com “Neo-nazis as government agents.”

This Publication does a brilliant job documenting and explaining when, how and why Western Intelligence Agencies may in the past—founded and financed Neo Nazi Organizations for the West. This document explains how Governments maintain power for the few by playing the left against the right while eliminating political groups in between.

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The FBI, like the CIA, is heavily flawed and rampant with corruption. Let's abolish it already !

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After Phone Companies get “Retroactive Immunity” from Lawsuits—What Prevents Government using NSA Wire-Taps against Innocent Citizens in Court?

Determining what NSA electronic surveillance can be used by police or introduced into court by Government, may be the next battle Americans have to fight.

It is not surprising the Telecom Industry wants “Retroactive Immunity” from at least forty law suits after they helped government spy on Americans’ personal phone calls, faxes and emails? But Not so obvious or discussed by major media is what happens to NSA’s millions of illegally collected emails, faxes and phone call information that belong to U.S. Citizens? Will that information be deleted or copied? Or Used In Court against Americans?

Depending on the legal scheme the U.S. Government devises to let the phone companies off the hook for spying on its Citizens, could set NSA free—to share its “illegally collected wiretap information” with local, state and federal police in order to initiate almost any type of criminal investigation.

Determining what NSA electronic surveillance can be used by police or introduced into court by the Government, may be the next battle Americans have to fight.

Previously prosecutors were not allowed access to the Justice Department’s “intelligence files” for domestic criminal prosecutions. In 2003 a court ruling lowered that barrier, allowing prosecutors to review old surveillance. In 2003, Attorney General John Ashcroft asked government prosecutors to review thousands of old intelligence files including wiretaps to retrieve information prosecutors could use in “ordinary criminal prosecutions.”

It is problematic Law enforcement agencies will want to use NSA’s old illegal wiretap evidence and other surveillance to go back perhaps decades to arrest Americans and/or civilly forfeit their homes, inheritances and business using only a "preponderance of evidence" under Title 18 of the United States Code. The Patriot Act specifically mentions provisions passed in Rep. Henry Hyde’s bill HR 1658 "The Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000." HR 1658 included a "retroactive asset forfeiture provision" that applies retroactively to assets already subject to government forfeiture, meaning "property already tainted by crime" provided “the property” was already part of or later connected to a criminal investigation in progress" when HR.1658 passed. In 2000 after HR1658 passed the “old statute of limitations” died that gave government “five years” to seize property from the actual date a “property” was involved in crime. Police now have five-years to seize property from “whenever police claim” they learned a “property” was made subject to civil asset forfeiture. There are over 200 U.S. laws that can subject property to civil asset forfeiture.

Imagine NSA sharing its illegal-domestic surveillance information with countless police agencies that are dependent on forfeiting Citizens’ property to pay their department’s operating costs. Police can too easily take an innocent person’s hastily written email or phone call out of context to allege a crime was committed. Imagine Police using the Patriot Act’s low standard of proof “a preponderance of evidence” to judge NSA illegal domestic wiretap information, perhaps to go back before 2000 to civilly seize a Citizen's home, business or other property. No conviction is required for the U.S. Government to civilly forfeit a Citizen’s home or business. Under the Patriot Act, witnesses can be kept secret while being paid part of the assets they cause to be forfeited.

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"Railing against President Bush, he told his audience last June that "a well-placed bullet can solve a lot of problems.""

Although I despise the other things he said, I wish some nut had taken up his advice on this one.

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I don't believe it, next thing you will tell me that female FBI agents don't look like Roselyn Sanchez, or Poppy Montgomery. You have ruined my whole day.

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You made me think of this, Ron:

http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2007/12/93185.html

notice the post (last or towards the bottom) which mentions the Centers of Excellence which would issue COINTELPRO-style warnings periodically to undermine social movements and anti-war, counter-recruitment organizing.

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We have a vicious, Nazi race-baiter with a public forum. Some guys decide to spy on him, and instead of the plans to blow up the Lincoln Memorial, or maybe pictures of the guy with a little boy that they expected, they find out that he's an informant for the FBI.

Do they back out, and allow that some good intelligence-gathering is taking place for a damned change?

Nope. They blow the whistle, as though it were the other way around, and the guy was giving some assassins Barack Obama's minute-by-minute time schedule.

Why did they do that?

To feed their damned egos. Here they performed this wonderful feat of hacking, and by God and Bill O'Reilly, they're going to get credit for it.

What's their pretext?

The damned guy is too over-the-top with his mouth, even if he is spying for us, and even if that very extreme language and style is exactly what makes him an effective infiltrator. Even if the crazy talk is a magnet for people who actually would take up a gun and do something crazy. Even if, as an infiltrator, the dude would have a decent chance of hearing about it.

What's the net effect?

Remember how enraged everyone was about Valerie Plame? Well, the guy wasn't an agent, he was an informant. But he was a serious one, judging by the fact that he immediately stopped his activities. We're out one good source of information which allowed us to keep tabs on a bunch of bad actors and prevent serious illegal activities. If they ever find the hackers, should be prosecuted to the max.

Yup, the guy's language is rough, and he skirts the line. I still would rather have him on than off, because while he was informing, we had a stream of information. Now that he's been exposed, what we'll have from the nutbags is increased secrecy, and silence.

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justifying huge industry in security and recruiting more to acts of violence.

Great use of taxpayer $$$.

Your arguments don't make sense, Longdream.

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So, this person gets away with advocating the assassination of judges. And , he's an FBI informant. But, Ann Coulter also advocates killing judges. So, is she also working for the FBI

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I find this article sort of funny because this guy was "outed" by hackers. There's a famous computer hacker convention every year in Vegas called DEFCON..and the whole thing is owned by the feds, from the very beginning. In fact the feds recruit hackers out of this supposed "blackhat gathering". It's one of the best hacks EVER and it was done by the feds, TO the hackers. DEFCON was completely subverted by the feds to do it's bidding, from the very beginning, yet these dumb wannabe hackers think they are so cool. They are a joke. Same with this situation. Different targets, same basic method...create a magnet, see who gets attracted.

dboy

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You're right on many levels.

I've always wondered about DEFCON. I wondered why people, whose primary necessity is anonymity, would go into a big hall and be identified as one of the usual suspects.

You just answered my question.

I think in a battle for privacy and civil rights, the side with the best hackers will win.

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I thought this kind of talk itself was illegal. How come this scummy gas bag is able to continue making threats to our government and nobody does a thing? He's allowed to just stop his show. What's up with that. Sounds to me like the FBI now has something else to explain. Maybe they can explain why every damn right wingnut on T.V. and radio have been able to threaten our government or spew hate speech and it's okay. I'll bet if somebody actually listened to these simpletons and tried to kill someone, it'd never be tracked back to the loser who did the inciting. It would all be put on the one who actually did the deed not those who suggested it. A few bad apples once again. Yeah right. And our government really does look out for its citizens.

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This reminds me of a film I saw a few years back where the CIA was trying to create the illusion of a nuclear threat by some terrorist group to have congress give them more funding. Actually it may have been a combination of several films. The bottom line is that republican owned corporations would benefit through outsourced bullshit security companies. Look at the makers of worthless software that the government has bought along with weapons systems and surveillance that are no better than a straw and spit balls with a home made periscope made from a paper towel role. People; follow the money and you will see the real conspiracy of how the republicans decided long ago that they were going to rob us of our tax money in the name of security while draining social programs for the poor. I will say it; the only good republican is a dead one. How long will we allow ourselves to be deceived and ripped off? Stand up now and be counted. Vote these thieves into oblivion. They demonized the poor while making corporations (their bedfellows) into deities. We need to take back America; and if necessary; by force! Do not think for one minute that the Supreme Court is not part of the corruption. Chief Justice Roberts (butt hole); Grumpy Thomas; Sleaze Balls Scalia, and that other greaser Alito are all in on the Conspiracy of giving tax payer money to the republicans. Just look at the recent rulings; all favoring big business over the little guy. The few good justices are in the minority. They can’t even protect our civil rights from the zealots. Act now before it is too late. Use the “Force of Your Voice” and vote for an honest Democrat. We will need to hold full power for the next 50 years to clean up what the have accomplished over the last 20+ years.

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Mr. Hal Turner; whether an FBI informant or not is a scumbag. If the government was involved with this scumbag; those involved should be fired under government employee rules against discrimination.

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