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Punishing Thought Crime: Would New Bill Make YOU a Terrorist?

By Scott Thill, AlterNet. Posted January 17, 2008.


Meet the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act.
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According to Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., House Resolution 1955, otherwise known as the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, is a much-needed piece of national security legislation subject to unnecessary paranoia and fear. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, the resolution, which Harman sponsored, is one step too close to an Orwellian nightmare, especially for the Democrats who concocted it.

The truth, as always, lies somewhere in between. But first, let's back up and check the facts.

House Resolution 1955 was introduced without fanfare in April 2007 by Harman and passed with little disagreement in October 2007. In fact, more House politicians missed the vote than voted against it, and if that isn't unanimity as far as American politics go, I don't know what is. Considering the resolution engages three charged terms in succession -- "violent," "radical," "terrorism" -- it's hard to believe that it wasn't designed to scare the living daylights out of every representative who showed up to vote that day. It also might explain why it garnered 404 yeas and barely enough nays -- six, to be exact -- to count on one hand. And while 22 representatives declined to show up for the vote, those who felt that H.R. 1955 was a terrible waste of time and tax funds had no chance at voting it down anyway.

In any case, it's the Senate's headache now.

"Legislation such as this demands heavy-handed governmental action against American citizens where no crime has been committed," Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul complained to the House in December, after missing the vote while campaigning. "It is yet another attack on our constitutionally protected civil liberties. It is my sincere hope that we will reject such approaches to security, which will fail at their stated goal at a great cost to our way of life."

The initial text of H.R. 1955 states its aim clearly enough before falling into obfuscation -- "to prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes" -- a characteristic that could be argued to be its defining template. Speaking of definitions (or the lack thereof), H.R. 1955 defines "homegrown terrorism" and "violent radicalization" nebulously; the former is merely "the use, planned use or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives," while the latter means "the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious or social change." Ideologically based violence, in turn, is defined as "the use, planned use or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious or social beliefs."

Sounds fair enough, until you start crunching the language and come to the realization that practically anyone, on any given day, could fit the description. Which is vague on purpose, as one realizes the farther one digs.

H.R. 1955 also aims to establish not just a National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism, but also a university-related Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States, two new bureaucracies sure to attract the type of conceptualists that brought you everything from the lame-duck Meese Commission on the alleged link between pornographers and organized crime to the Project for the New American century's invasion and occupation of Iraq in the first place. In the case of the national commission, its supposedly nonpartisan membership is to be hand-picked by not just majority and minority leaders in the Senate and House, among others, but also the president -- which means George W. Bush until further notice. And if you think there is comfort to be found in the fact that both the House and the Senate are controlled by Democrats, think again.

"The problem lies not so much in who selects them," explained Mike German, ACLU National Security Policy Counsel, "but in the expertise the bill requires commission members to have and in the requirement that they be eligible for, and receive, security clearances. This requirement will make it far more likely government insiders are selected for the commission, which will of course effect the recommendations they later make."

Which is to say that the commission will likely be staffed by those already on board with H.R. 1955's suspicious xenophobia. Given the fact that its definitions of homegrown terrorism and violent radicalization are so wide-ranging to be practically indefinite, it is striking that Islam and Islam alone is the only major religion or belief system specifically mentioned in the bill. Which is no accident: In Jane Harman's prepared statement for H.R. 1955's related House Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment hearing in November, ominously entitled "Using the Web as a Weapon: the Internet as a Tool for Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism," she had nothing to say about terrorists of any other kind. Instead, she mentions three Muslims, one a Jewish convert, who sympathize with al Qaeda or post YouTube videos showing how build bombs out of toy boats, before concluding that "These people no longer need to travel to foreign countries or isolated backwoods compounds to become indoctrinated by extremists and to learn how to kill their neighbors."


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Scott Thill runs the online mag Morphizm.com. His writing has appeared on Salon, XLR8R, All Music Guide, Wired and others.

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Here's a better name for this bill:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 17, 2008 12:22 AM   
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The House Un-American Activities Act.

Where's McCarthy when you need a heroin addict to manage things?

Let's take a look at the sponsor of this bill - who put her in office? Thanks to opensecrets.org, we can find out:

JANE HARMAN (D-CA)
Top Seven Contributors

Edison International - $14,000
Boeing Co - $7,000
Raytheon Co - $7,000
Northrop Grumman - $5,000
Intelligent Optical Systems - $4,000
Southern California Edison - $3,250
Comcast Corp - $3,000

Fossil energy companies and weapons manufacturers. Well - that's revealing. How about her personal fortune? Reported as

"Net Worth: $168,651,649 to $289,045,000"

So, what's the agenda here? According to opensecrets, 94% of her investments are in "Communications/Electronics" - maybe she's just trying to drum up some more government-funded domestic spying contracts that will benefit her personally.

That's how the new corporate-government spying system works. For more, see what Rumsfeld's henchman, Stephen Cambone, has been up to recently:

QinetiQ Goes Kinetic: Top Rumsfeld Aide Wins Contracts From Spy Office He Set Up, CW, Jan 15 2008:

"Cambone’s appointment at QinetiQ reflects the “incestuous” relationships that exist between former officials and private intelligence contractors, said Steven Aftergood, the director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists and a long-time observer of U.S. intelligence. “It's unseemly, and what's worse is that it has become normal,” he told CorpWatch.

Aftergood pointed out the similarities between Cambone and the career trajectory of the current Director of National Intelligence, Michael McConnell. Following McConnell’s tenure as director of the National Security Agency, “he went on to receive a seven-figure salary at Booz-Allen Hamilton, a major intelligence contractor,” said Aftergood. “And now he's back at the helm of the intelligence community (IC). The problem is not so much a conflict of interest as it is a coincidence of interests -- the IC and the contractors are so tightly intertwined at the leadership level that their interests, practically speaking, are identical.”


What do you call it when government and business join together like that? Some call it "a public-private partnership"... and some call it fascism.

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Smoking guns and mushroom clouds
Posted by: vox persona on Jan 17, 2008 2:17 AM   
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The pices are methodically being put into place, and it's not just Republicans corraling us into our brave new world. Follow the money up high enough and you will find your culprits, pulling the strings of both parties. Thank Dog for the Freedom of Information Act. Is there a way to stop this slow train coming? National ID cards, the next step is biometrics, implanted in the backs of our hands. This information on Harman needs to be front page news in the MSM (good luck on that, let me know how that works out). We need to get the money out of politics, and the fascists out of our brains. Welcome to the 21st century.

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got one thing to say about this brainstorm...
Posted by: ellie on Jan 17, 2008 3:41 AM   
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NO!!!! no way, no how, forget it, bury it, tear up the paper, how many ways to say NO!!!!!!!!! period

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normal thinking American citizen
Posted by: Michael_D on Jan 17, 2008 3:53 AM   
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We must come together to bring about change in our country. We must realize that the mainstream media is only a mouthpiece for the governement overall. We must now become the media! Never again should we turn our heads while they put whackos in place. Watch the vote. Truth and peace.

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» Gitmo? Haha! Posted by: Prairie Waif
» Punishment Park Posted by: Rolomax
Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Jan 17, 2008 3:58 AM   
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Direct Democracy will enable Americans to vote on a broader range of issues and will promote transparency and citizen involvement and awareness.

You aren't going to get it until you demand it.

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» RE: Terrorist Posted by: illit
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: HeKnew
We need Congress to consider the crime of High Treason
Posted by: Chaos Inc. on Jan 17, 2008 4:12 AM   
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All we need is a short rope and a tall tree; treason prevails in Amerika and has for quite some time.

The police state advocates and those who want to keep the corporations (man's creation); more powerful than their creator (men) to the detriment of individual constitutional rights ought to be hung by the neck until dead.

We do not need any new legislation; all we need do is disarm the so called "protect & serve" (the corporations) crowd and bring back the common law.... No Victim No Crime.... Law enforcement by the elected Sheriff and a posse made up of quess who... We the People.

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» Terrorist Posted by: HeKnew
Stanley Milgram wouldn't be surprised. His classic but controversial experiments
Posted by: Suzon on Jan 17, 2008 4:13 AM   
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showed that responsibility divided equals no responsibility at all.

The authority figure says I only gave the order. The one who carries it out excuses himself by saying he was only following orders.

The author of this bill is probably a very compliant person, incapable of self-awareness. Her corporate sponsors are the ones doing the thinking and she's following through for them.

There is no need for a hand-picked commission to lord it over us. But there certainly is a crying need for independent oversight of the White House and Congress.

The US Judiciary Act 1789 provided for a person "learned in law" to be charged with the duty to prosecute all "delinquents" for "cognisable crimes and offences". A Federal District Attorney elected on a non-partisan basis to "pursue truth, justice and the protection of the innocent" is a damn good idea. But where is he or she?

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Impeachment would stop Thought Crime abomination
Posted by: aharlib on Jan 17, 2008 4:22 AM   
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The way to take the wind out of the sails of the gross abuse of power that HR 1955 and S 1995 represent is by IMPEACHING CHENEY AND BUSH! The remedy lies in the Constitution - USE IT!

Impeach Cheney NOW

Defense of the Constitution Knows No Party


The Bush administration has illegally seized and imprisoned Americans without benefit of their trial by jury, has spied on Americans without warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, has lied America into a disastrous war, and has betrayed an American intelligence officer, who was working on weapons of mass destruction networks, to our enemies (Valerie Plame.)

Impeachment hearings against Vice President Dick Cheney are now a distinct possibility, thanks to a recent outpouring of public support for impeachment by Americans across the political spectrum. Your calls and faxes to House Judiciary Committee members are needed to keep up the pressure.

Leave a message for your Congressman, to demand he obey his oath to "defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Act now to restore your rights and the rule of law bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers, which brave men have died defending throughout our history.

Call the House Judiciary Committee

202-225-3951
and demand that Impeachment hearings begin ASAP!





*What Happened to Make This All Possible?

On November 6, 2007, Rep. Dennis Kucinich brought H.Res.799, for the impeachment of Cheney, to the House Floor for debate. It was broadcast on CSPAN. A sudden outpouring of public support for impeachment forced lawmakers to keep the resolution alive. Democrats, most of whom currently resist demands for impeachment, were unwilling to kill the bill with the public watching. Republicans and some Democrats, mindful of impeachment sentiment, voted to debate the bill, but failed. At the end of the day, Americans of both parties had made it clear whose "table" this is, and that they want to see impeachment on it.



For more information go to
NEImpeach.org

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Slipping and Sliding towards Fascism?
Posted by: writerman on Jan 17, 2008 5:06 AM   
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I believe we're getting closer and faster towards the setting up of the National Security State, than most people realize.

This new legislation is potentially draconian in scope and content. It's so vague it can be used to criminalize myriad activities that are presently legal and legitimate. This legislatioon is dangerous. Vague and open to abuse. In fact it seems to have been written using rubber language and words precisely so one has the ability to stretch it anyway one chooses. Such legislation is always bad for the citizen, but great for the State.

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Charles.Thompson
Posted by: Charles.Thompson on Jan 17, 2008 5:57 AM   
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A friend and I have already written our respective Senators regarding this dangerously overreaching and Constitutionally suspect piece of legistration. I recommend you read the proposal for yourself and if you agree with my brief analysis, write or call your Congressperson today. Do not wait.

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Big Brother and me
Posted by: wawa on Jan 17, 2008 6:11 AM   
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Speaking truth to power on the www is a moral and ethical issue for me.

Even if Big Brother were my only readers, it is well worth my time and effort to provoke them while we still have freedom of speech; which doesn't mean jack, unless you have something to say and say it boldly.

Partial list of WAWA's January Stats:


Top 21 of 72 Total Countries

# Hits Files KBytes Country/Source

7. 573 568 24335 US Educational



12. 338 309 13942 Israel


15. 297 295 10562 US Government

21. 171 171 5574 US Military



Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

Author "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"

Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu"

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Coming soon to your neighborhood
Posted by: Axiom69 on Jan 17, 2008 6:20 AM   
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To everyone that believes the second ammendment is obsolete...

Don't like something the government is doing? Go out and protest. Write a letter to the editor calling for impeachment. Speak at a rally and demand that we change our government. Write a blog that is critical of the government. Then get locked up as a "homegrown terrorist" who was advocating for the overthrow of the government. You can't argue free speech or submit a writ of Habeus Corpus. Why? Because you are in Gitmo without access to a lawyer. Seeing what happened to you all your friends no longer protest or write letters to the editor or attend rallies. They go and vote but it's on an electronic diebold without a paper trail. The current administration gets re-elected by a huge majority. You make friends in Gitmo with some southern boys who didn't give up their guns when guns were outlawed and had tried to to overrun the Capitol but were helplessly outnumbered. Gitmo's not so bad though. You get three squares, a prayer rug and your choice of a Bible or koran. Think it can't happen? It already is.

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RON PAUL VOTED AGAINST THIS ACT AND CAME UP WITH
Posted by: poppop_schell on Jan 17, 2008 6:34 AM   
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one act that would do away with all these violations of civil liberties. He and Dennis are trying to stop vote fraud. The Rp supporters came up with over $56,000 in contributions in less than a week to FORCE a recound of the NH primary votes.

The revolution needs progessives to join. Let's put aside our ideological differences until we reclaim our Cosntitution

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» RE: Kucinich great? Posted by: Ripcord
PETA stickers
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 17, 2008 6:36 AM   
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A few years ago, a vegan animal rights friend of mine from the midwest "stickered" a busy Bay Area street with *KIDS* PETA stickers. We stickered light posts, telephone polls, mail boxes, parking meters, ATM machines, windows of closed businesses, street crossing buttons, with cute cartoony message stickers such as "I am not a nugget" and "Go Veg" and "Meat's no treat for those you eat."
Guess we're flipping terrorists now.

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You CANNOT win a war on terrorism by creating more terrorism.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 17, 2008 6:46 AM   
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As for Jane FUCKING Harmon, what the FUCK were the voters there thinking? So much for women bringing change to politics. They are just as much a disgrace as the men, CASE CLOSED.

In any case, the phrase "war on terror" is a complete oxymoron which deserves to have no place in any conversation whatsoever given that war is what creates terrorism. At the rate freedom is being tossed out the window by both parties, it's time to try out new progressive/liberal leaning parties for a change.

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The Article Is Alarmist BS
Posted by: EncinoM on Jan 17, 2008 7:13 AM   
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Read the bill for yourself. It does what congress does best, step up a commission to debate the problem. Not take action to "fix" the problem but set up a comission so it looks like the problem is being addressed.

9/11 commission, how many recommendations were adopted and put it effect?

Look at the track record of commissions, I oppose the bill, not because it will take away rights (it won't no change to the criminal code) but it will be another waste of taxpayer dollars on pork and friends.

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» I disagree Posted by: Ripcord
» RE: I disagree Posted by: EncinoM
» HUAC Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: The Article Is Alarmist BS Posted by: SingerSirCoda
» RE: Okay, I read it - Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: Okay, I read it - Posted by: EncinoM
It wouldn't be so bad...
Posted by: sliver on Jan 17, 2008 7:23 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If I were in charge, I would be charging heartless corporations and anti-choice people with this type of terrorism. So it wouldn't be so bad.

Too bad I'm not in charge. Oh, wait, who is in charge? Oh, shit, let's get rid of the thought police before they get me!

Or at least wait until Hillary is in charge and can wield it for good, not evil. Oh, wait, she is out to get me, too. Shit.

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» RE: It wouldn't be so bad... Posted by: peacefullaim
The Slippery Slope to Fascism
Posted by: lucillebh on Jan 17, 2008 7:28 AM   
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If HR1955 is something that concerns you (and it should), Google 'America Freedom to Fascism'

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Email is ALREADY being read
Posted by: Prairie Waif on Jan 17, 2008 7:51 AM   
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I know someone who has already had a Yahoo email account read by, apparently, "big brother" from "somewhere."

They are in Afghanistan and had friends emailing articles on Military Matters, Suicide Rates amongst the Military, Armour, etc.

Recently, they were called in to by thier Commanding officer to have their chops busted.

If it was a Military Mail account, I could see that there could be a problem, but Yahoo?

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» RE: mail is ALREADY being read Posted by: peacefullaim
Jab
Posted by: jab on Jan 17, 2008 7:54 AM   
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Mr. Thill, you should learn more about the legislative process. You refer to HR 1955 as a House Resolution. You also call it a Bill. Those are two different things. A resolution is a non-binding expression of or about something. "Resolved, Thanksgiving is a fine holiday." Resolutions are not, and do not, become law. A Bill, if passed, etc, does become law.

Basic errors like this indicate you may not be a credible source.

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» Suspension Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Jab Posted by: Morphizm
what the h---
Posted by: shd1230 on Jan 17, 2008 8:52 AM   
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WHY ON EARTH WOULD SUCH LEGISLATION BE NEEDED? THERE ARE ENOUGH LAWS AGAINST SUCH ACTIVITY ALREADY.

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» RE: what the h--- Posted by: juanpecan81
» The answer to your question Posted by: Axiom69
» RE: The answer to your question Posted by: soulrebeljc
Threatening political violence...
Posted by: leafsong1 on Jan 17, 2008 9:26 AM   
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...is as essential to the functioning of a stable representative government as the right to vote. As a practice it is protected by at least two constitutional amendments: not coincidentally the first two. Were it not for revolutionary political violence, there would be no US Congress looking for weaselly ways to criminalize the threat of political violence. In the long run, the threat of instability and revolution is the only motivation the ruling class has to pay any attention to our votes, letters, calls, petitions, and protests. Thus, in the long run, only the threat of political violence can obviate the need for political violence.

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a little late, aren't we
Posted by: soulrebeljc on Jan 17, 2008 9:52 AM   
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When did this legislation pass...a month ago? People 'in the know' have been on top of this since it passed the house...why are we reading it now as if it were 'news'?

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Who Harman is and Why She Knows Better
Posted by: herbal on Jan 17, 2008 10:30 AM   
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So here she is, Blue Dog, Venice should be very liberal, though wealthy, older and high gay population. These are the kinds of Democrats that enable fascism of the Republicans. Can't she be defeated in the primaries? She is Constitutional lawyer!! She surely knows the effects of HR 1955, that she wrote.

From Wikipedia: Jane Lakes Harman (born June 28, 1945), is a seven-term Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, representing the 36th District of California. She attended Los Angeles public schools, Smith College, and Harvard Law School. Harman is both a Blue Dog Democrat and a member of the New Democrat Coalition. She previously represented the district from 1993 to 1999 before leaving Congress to enter the 1998 California gubernatorial race.
Harman is married to Harman International Industries Executive Chairman and founder Sidney Harman.
Jane Harman began her career in Washington by serving as chief counsel and staff director for the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights. She has also served as special counsel to the Department of Defense, deputy cabinet secretary under President Jimmy Carter, and Regent's Professor at UCLA.

Harman was the ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in the 109th Congress. However, in October 2006 reports surfaced that Harman was under investigation by the FBI for "allegedly (with the help of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC) enlisting wealthy donors to lobby then-House Minority Leader (and current House Speaker) Nancy Pelosi to retain her position as the head Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee."
According to Fox, "The FBI has been looking into claims since mid-2005 that Harman of California, the top Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, made explicit pledges to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, in exchange for the group's support in her quest to keep her spot on the intelligence panel.
The Washington Post reports one of those pledges was that for AIPAC's help, she would ask Republican administration officials to ease up on a probe of two former AIPAC lobbyists charged with violating the Espionage Act by receiving national defense information and transmitting it to journalists and Israeli Embassy employees''"
Speaker of the House Pelosi then chose Silvestre Reyes to be the Chair of the Intelligence Committee in the 110th Congress.
Supporters of Harman are critical of the decision. They note that term limits on the committee do not apply to the chair or the ranking member; furthermore, a recommendation of the 9/11 Commission was for longer tenures on intelligence panels in any case to foster continuity and institutional memory.[1] Newsweek suggests that:
reports of a FBI probe into Harman would presumably give Pelosi cover to deny the chairmanship to Harman—a moderate Democrat whom Pelosi feels has not been aggressive enough in challenging the Bush administration.[2]
Nancy Pelosi was briefed about new CIA interrogation techniques, including waterboarding in 2002. Jane Harman was the only objector to the authorization of the techniques and filed a classified letter in February, 2003 related to this.
Harman, who replaced Pelosi as the committee's top Democrat in January 2003, disclosed Friday that she filed a classified letter to the CIA in February of that year as an official protest about the interrogation program. Harman said she had been prevented from publicly discussing the letter or the CIA's program because of strict rules of secrecy.

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HR 1955
Posted by: seagypsy on Jan 17, 2008 10:40 AM   
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This bill is bi-partisan fascism - this literally means, when you read the bill, that anyone, anywhere in the United States, or any American anywhere in the world, could be brought before a "committe" that would decide if your e-mails or your speech were in any way against what the "committee", (which is politically appointed), considered proper. Good bye free speech - this is the icing on the cake to a fascist state. Which party proposed it is inconsequential - it is the absolute end of freedom as we know it. Like the fall of Rome - America is going down. If this bill passes I can come before a "committee" over these statements and if they decide these statements are harmful, I can be thrown in jail. Hello???

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» RE: HR 1955 Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: HR 1955 Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: HR 1955 Posted by: Doubtom
aipac frontmen suck
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 17, 2008 10:46 AM   
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THESE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID THEY ARE GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR TREASON AND SUBVERSION( AS THEY SHOULD BE)... SO LAWS LIKE THIS ARE NECESSARY FOR THEIR PROTECTION ,,, from patriots like you

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Congress better beware
Posted by: warriornation on Jan 17, 2008 11:23 AM   
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Since most congress members probably fear anarchy, they better watch themselves. If this bill goes too far, I wouldn't have a problem rioting with others. There's many Marxists and revolutionaries that live in the U.S. and Congress going too far with a bill like that might just spur a revolution. Hopefully, the government doesn't read this comment because I might not be able to post on Alternet again because I'll stuck in Guantanamo Bay getting "not tortured"

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I like this bill
Posted by: christastropher on Jan 17, 2008 12:00 PM   
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because it makes it easier for the government to render me to exciting foreign locales that I otherwise couldn't see. Examples:Eastern Europe,Syria,Egypt,Afghanistan,Cuba,and many other suprise locations. Travel the world,meet interesting people,receive free health insurance!

Looking forward to my government sponsored permanent vacation,
christastropher

But really, this is some serious bullshit.

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Americans
Posted by: Cathyc on Jan 17, 2008 3:49 PM   
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Why do Americans eat too much McShite "food" and watch too much McShite tv?

Because they were born to parents who were clones of First Christians to plant themselves on American soil... and then the morphed into Ronald McDonald. Hey!

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» RE: Americans Posted by: aerdrie
Think of the GOOD it would do
Posted by: Crazy H on Jan 17, 2008 3:57 PM   
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"the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious or social change."

That's a pretty good summation of the GOP's foreign policy right there. Lock 'em all up & throw away the key. Put the most vocal homophobes in cells with gay weightlifters...

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I DON'T like it but ...
Posted by: murcan on Jan 17, 2008 4:00 PM   
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now we can finally get rid of those treasonous, call-to-violence Confederate flags!

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My birth year is 1955...
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Jan 17, 2008 4:02 PM   
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Merely a coincidence? I think not...

The Vatican's tentacles reach far and wide!!!

People's exhibit number one
People's exhibit number two
People's exhibit number three

When you control the cabals that secretly control all money, religion, and politics, you control all those who desire and/or must live in the midst of a civilization based on these three strong delusions!

The time is long overdue to change the human equation and end the root causes of humanity's great struggle and suffering.

Peace...

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» RE: My birth year is 1955... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: My birth year is 1955... Posted by: HANGTRAITORS
America is a nation of people who fled from...
Posted by: Cathyc on Jan 17, 2008 4:53 PM   
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... themselves!

America is a country that attracts those who are too cowardly to face up the "demons" in the land of their birth.

People who wildly flee from their OWN roots, without understanding what it is they are fleeing from, inevitably bring their unwanted "rot" with them - in the mistaken belief they are starting life anew.

ALL reactionary adolescents end up being just like their tyrannical parents......

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This Law Should Be Used First Against AIPAC and Israeli Supporters
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 17, 2008 5:05 PM   
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Since AIPAC is involved with an extremist agenda that promotes violence, the violence being seizing land from the Palestinians for illegal settlements and supporting a government that kidnaps people for torture and illegal imprisonment (Israel), shouldn't the first use of this law be against AIPAC and Israeli supporters? Alas, it will just be used against organizations that do things like provide food and humanitarian relief for Palestinian and other refugees. Much of this law could really be directed against organizations that support humanitarian relief to Arab causes, hence, the desire to enact it. It's an attempt to squeeze Muslim's into subservience to Washington and the USA by taking food out of the mouth of their children. Shame on America and shame on the US Congress

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Wexler for AG, Leahy for SC
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jan 17, 2008 6:29 PM   
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Are protestors who is forcibly removed by police "violent"? By the usual sophistry of the current Supreme Court, especially the STAR Chamber (Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts, also known as the RATS Faction), they could be so considered. That would have made Dr. King and many others guilty under this law. A competent court would, of course, hold it to be unconstitutionally broad, but the American federal judiciary is now dominated by right wing extremists with life tenures. My remedy: the next president should appoint Robert Wexler as Attorney General and Patrick Leahy to the Supreme Court. We badly need to restore some integrity to our system of (in?)justice.

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» RE: Wexler for AG, Leahy for SC Posted by: peacefullaim
stop the PEDORISTS
Posted by: richholland on Jan 17, 2008 10:52 PM   
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USA has a war on Drugs,War on Pedofiles etc.
Why not stop the PEDORISTS
(White male americans throwing bombs on women and little children)
(Sorry they are called freedom wariors, sory sory)

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