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Rights and Liberties

Christian 'Ex-Gays' Brainwash Thousands

By Casey Sanchez, Intelligence Report. Posted December 15, 2007.


Can the anti-gay Christian Right's "sexual reorientation therapy" be stopped?
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John Smid has a high school diploma, a minister's license and five acres of land outside Memphis, Tenn., where he "cures" homosexuals. For most of the past two decades, Smid's residential "ex-gay" program was known as Love in Action. The majority of the young men who entered the program came from the kind of conservative religious upbringing where being gay is a sin that will cast a person out of church, family and home. To rid themselves of "unwanted same-sex attractions" they paid $1,000 a month, with some staying at the facility for years.

At LIA, as it was known, staff would lead clients in group sessions to trace out childhood trauma alongside lessons in throwing footballs, changing motor oil and learning how to cross their legs in a manly fashion. In much of the world of ex-gay ministries, same-sex attractions are thought to result from childhood sexual abuse or parents who failed to instill masculinity in their sons. Since the goal is to rewire parent-child dynamics, LIA clients were forbidden to call their families. Those who worked in Memphis while living on the LIA compound had to navigate around a "forbidden zone" that covered nearly half the city, keeping them miles away from its handful of adult book stores. They were ordered to drive straight to and from work without speaking to strangers.

"On our way to work, we saw two cars get into an accident. We actually debated over whether we should stop," said Peterson Toscano, who lived at LIA for two years in the early 1990s and now helms an ex-gay survivors' movement. They didn't stop. "Looking back, I see how brainwashed we were. We were sick the whole day. We could have helped the people."

Toscano still has the 374-page LIA handbook that governed every day he spent trying to become heterosexual. Tom Otteson, another former client of Smid's, said he was told that "it would be better if I were to commit suicide than go back into the world and become a homosexual again." In 2005, Smid tried to clarify those comments to a reporter from the pro-gay Memphis magazine Family & Friends: "I said [to Otteson], 'It would almost be better if you weren't alive than to return back to the life that you have struggled so much to leave.'"

Unlike his clients, Smid was not isolated from the world. In 2005, when Tennessee officials investigated LIA for dispensing psychotropic medicine and treating minors without a license, it seemed certain the place would be shut down. But Smid kept his operation alive by countersuing the state of Tennessee with the help of senior counsel from the Alliance Defense Fund, the powerhouse legal arm of the Christian Right.

Today, Love in Action is part of a booming phenomenon that is also known as the "sexual reorientation therapy" movement, an effort that is reflected in the hundreds of programs attached to religious organizations across the United States. Although the stated aim of the movement is to turn gays straight and bring them to God, it actually now has as much to do with battling the gay rights movement by trying to prove that sexuality is not an immutable characteristic like race or gender. Ex-gay ministries began as redoubts for men and women trying to reconcile their faith and sexuality. But in the hands of the anti-gay Christian Right, they have become full-fledged propaganda machines depicting gays as sex-addicted, mentally ill, and stunted heterosexuals.

A Flourishing Movement


Love In Action no longer describes itself as therapy but as a "ministry." It ditched its residential program in favor of a $2,000, four-day "intensive" encounter for families and teens called Refuge. Focus on the Family, the largest and wealthiest Christian Right organization in the country, now hires Smid to appear several times a year on an ex-gay lecture circuit called Love Won Out, where he speaks on masturbation and "healing homosexuality."

Residential ex-gay treatment centers like LIA was in the 1990s are still rare. There are currently just three in America -- one in northern California, one in Kansas and one in Kentucky. But ex-gay "ministries" like Refuge are numerous. There are at least 200 such programs among the country's churches, religious counseling centers and religious college campuses. Smid serves on the board of Exodus International, an umbrella group representing 150 ex-gay ministries in 17 different countries.

Most of the people who run ex-gay ministries are not hatemongers and see their activities as a labor of love and compassion. "[They're] sincere, well-meaning people who are not in it for the money," says Toscano. But in recent years, the ex-gay movement has been co-opted by virulently anti-gay groups who routinely refer to homosexuality as an evil force that threatens to destroy America. These groups increasingly are hiring ex-gay activists as spokesmen, funding ex-gay research and establishing ex-gay ministries.

Focus on the Family, based in Colorado Springs, Colo., now runs its own traveling ex-gay ministry, Love Won Out, which has drawn crowds of several hundred in more than 50 cities since 2001. Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson finances studies on ex-gay "conversion therapies," and the late Moral Majority leader Jerry Falwell, who once infamously claimed that gays, lesbians and other agents of liberalism spurred the 9/11 terrorist attacks, was a keynote speaker at a 2006 ex-gay conference. In Lynchburg, Va., both the church and the university Falwell founded have ex-gay ministries.


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Not All Christians Are This Way- Thank God
Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 15, 2007 2:04 AM   
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My Freshman roomie in college was a gay man who grew up in Searcy, Ar, a town that is the epicenter of a large and very conservative denomination that virtually ran the town. Listening to him tell me about his hometown, it was obvious how wrong the common (then and probably now) viewpoint on homosexuality is and how hurtful and toxic it really is.

The Bible says many things, but clearly communicates that God loves all creation and extends his offer of reconciliation to all. Nowhere have I seen it written that Christians or the Church are to legislate morality for the society at large, 'convert' homosexual people, discriminate against others or pass judgement on their standing with God. The Bible does tell followers to love others as you would like to be loved, to love God and seek grace, mercy and peace.

Jesus was harshest upon the self-pious during his ministry, calling them whitewashed tombstones- essentially posers. He said that for all their professions and actions their hearts were very far from God. These were the leaders of their day in that culture. He showed great compassion for the outcast, the poor and the compassionate.

When people who claim to be Christ followers (Christians) of whatever denomination act in this way they are ignoring the very heart of the teachings of Jesus- the very person they hold to be the center-point of their faith. The 'liberal' churches that are widely derided by the fundamentalists, who welcome all who wish to come, are much closer to the gospel I see in the Bible.

One of the foundations of almost all Christian teaching is that people are free moral agents and are singularly responsible to God for their actions. To me that means that regardless of whether people are born or choose to be LGBT, it's none of my business. It's between them and God- period. It is, however, my responsibility to love them and extend to them the grace and kindness that I would wish for myself.

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Some thought required
Posted by: talkville on Dec 15, 2007 3:04 AM   
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A real linguistic and logical phenomenon is constantly being utilized and not always in the best interests of the oppressed. To establish Identity of the General and the Particular is a tried and true operation used by dominating classes in history.

Using the word "Christian" to describe particular and specific people engaged in distorting and oppressing others such as in this case of the "curers of gayness" merely maintains what we all need to think about more carefully. The adjective "Christian" as well as "Islamic" or "Jewish" or any other belief structure to describe particular individuals achieves nothing but division and does not clarify things much.

These are specific and individual people and groups who engage in actions against Others' choices in living in this world. Such people are "retarded", in the strictest reference and meaning of this word.

The actions of people that perpetrate this damage upon countless Others can only be described as Idiotic, in the most strict and Greek meaning and reference of that word; they may rely on masks of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism or any other of the metaphysical belief structures that guide many others.

It's good to refresh oneself with works such as "The Idiot" by Dostoevsky. When Idiots achieve Power, it's time to rebel. In such times we all are living.

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» RE: Some thought required Posted by: morticia
» RE: Some thought required Posted by: talkville
Whenever someone insists that orientation is a choice...
Posted by: thornwolf on Dec 15, 2007 3:23 AM   
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Ask them to tell you about the day they chose to be hetero. Of course, they can't because it wasn't a choice.

Jesus said many things about his "heavenly father" but anti-gay he did not say. In fact, Jesus seems to have had nothing at all to say about homosexuality, which, for a follower of Jesus, ought to mean it wasn't important enough for him to comment on. Amen to that.

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» And that can be done. Posted by: slydad
But what about St. Paul?
Posted by: atheistcable on Dec 15, 2007 3:51 AM   
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>> I've never been a Christian, but I am quite familiar with that religion and in the NT it appears that another god is worshippped--beyond the Trinity. St. Paul is another rather powerful and influential god, and he repeatedly condemns homosexuality. I hear Baptists say, "Yes, but it's in the Bible! And everything in the bible is the perfect word of god!" -- I have never understood what the Trinity was, even though I've asked many Christians to explain it to me. I'm told it's a three-in-one god, and yet they contradict themselves by saying that one god is the father and another god is his son and the "holy spirit" is a third god. But they're all one god. Okay, so the first god speaks in the OT and thoroughly condemns homosexuality. If the son and father are one god, then the second god, Jesus, already spoke in the Old Testament, so why should he repeat himself in the NT? And besides, I was told that St. Paul was inspired by the Trinity to write what he did. -- The Baptists and Pentecostals are the ones who focus on the hatefulness of St. Paul more than they do Jesus. I think it would be much better to throw the OT/NT away. One simply does not need a holy book to guide them through life. Millions of people in countries all over the world do not believe in, follow or worship any god, and among them you'll fine the most rational, intelligent and compassionate people. Those antagonistic to this idea will bring up people like Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. as tyrannical atheists. In fact, they were ideologues, like other religious tyrants, and suppressed freedom of intellectual expression and murdered innocent people freely--just like Christians have been doing since the inception of this religion.

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So very sad!
Posted by: Gravitas on Dec 15, 2007 4:16 AM   
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So very sad that we can't accept homosexuality as a natural variation in the human condition. Conservative Christians are holding society back from progressing.

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» RE: So very sad! Posted by: Lilykins
» RE: So very sad! Posted by: crombie
Science not part of the equation
Posted by: mombot on Dec 15, 2007 4:33 AM   
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It seems that no matter what science proves, these people continue to lie about homosexuality. We're born one way or the other and no amount of "therapy" is going to change that. If any of my sons are gay, I'd not want someone to think I abused him! (snort)
Some of these individuals touting such programs must be in denial that they are in fact gay. Why, "healing touch" therapy must do something for its inventor!!! LOL

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The Christian Message Is Based on Hope
Posted by: rcase on Dec 15, 2007 4:55 AM   
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The Christian message is based on hope and change. People can be related to a loving God and live lives of wholeness. It is a cruel world indeed when people are told that their lonliness, or addictions, or destructive behavior is something they were born with and there is no hope ever of change. No wonder there is such depression in our society. Articles like this one add to that depression.

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» Major correction.... Posted by: CatDad
These folks aren't very bright - including the victims
Posted by: defrag on Dec 15, 2007 5:23 AM   
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I'm gay and after reading this, find myself thinking the victims weren't too bright to begin with.

Adolescence is different; then the combination of hormones and suicidal thoughts can be lethal. But after one grows up and is in one's twenties or thirties, who takes their parents this seriously? Who takes their parents' generation this seriously? I just can't identify.

If a gay adult is still drawn to Christianity there are several welcoming denominations, even in the South. The United Church of Christ is probably the best-known and there are also specifically gay ministries like the M.C.C. in large cities. Did these guys spend the gay part of their adult lives in "adult" bookstores and never heard about that stuff? But even there, most likely, they could have picked up the free local weekly gay paper and noticed the church ads!

I can see that the ex-gay movement wants money from their victims - and the sums mentioned in the story aren't paltry - but aside from the money, where exactly is the "harm" in a legal sense? Can ex-gay ministries "be stopped," as the headline says? Well, no... a well-known P.T. Barnum quote comes to mind...

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» Lucky for you... Posted by: buffeliscious
» A lawsuit wouldn't get far Posted by: defrag
Electroshock Therapy Works!
Posted by: OUTinMinnesota on Dec 15, 2007 5:50 AM   
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My fundamentalist parents had me undergo therapy to cure same-sex attractions.

I'm still gay. And now I have amazingly strong aversions to my parents and to organized religion.

Yes, electroshock therapy definitely works.

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What Jesus did
Posted by: kenhymes on Dec 15, 2007 6:17 AM   
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What Jesus did was seek out the other, the marginalized, the insulted, the hated, the ones told they could never be part of things that mattered. What Jesus said was that they were the first ones in his reality, and the ones who clung to privilege and status were the last. What Jesus did was take every chance he could find to turn the priorities of the social structure upside down. The deals the church cut with the Romans, the evils of the Medieval church, the insane rantings of the modern-day fundies, none of these things can undo the truth: Jesus would be walking in Gay Pride parades, not hanging out with suburban mega-church homophobes.

I am not trying to convince the non-Christians, because I know there is so much wrong with the Bible and the church that that is a whole other conversation. I just want to say loud and clear to the other Jesus-followers out there: follow him, which means lift up the oppressed, do justice, walk in love.

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RODNOX
Posted by: RODNOX on Dec 15, 2007 6:26 AM   
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WHILE MY FEELINGS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY ARE NOT FORMED IN CONCRETE MY TOTAL REPULSION AND DISGUST OF ORGANIZED RELIGION IS QUITE SOLID.AFTER STUDYING RELIGION FOR YEARS IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS IT IS A CRUTCH--A PATH FOR PEOPLE WHO CANNOT DEVELOP NORMALLY.ON THE OTHER SIDE IT IS A TOOL OF CONTROL---BLIND RESPECT---PEOPLE LET IT TAKE OVER THEIR LIVES.ORGANIZED RELIGION IS VERY LIKE THE MILITARY.PEOPLE BLINDLY OBEY A FEW LEADERS---USUALLY THE LEADERS ARE QUITE DEFECTIVE---IN MILITARY AND RELIGION...REMEMBER THE TOWER OF BABEL STORY---WHERE GOD TRIED TO CONFUSE US BY MAKING DIFFERENT LANGUAGES ??..PROBABLY NOT THE CASE---WE AS A SPECIES GOT PAST THAT---WHAT WE CANT GET PAST IS DIFFERENT RELIGIONS...........

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» RE: ODNOX Posted by: Lauren
Is the Abomiable Snowman Gay?
Posted by: lc on Dec 15, 2007 7:30 AM   
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Anti-homosexual comes from the Bible stating all things considered an "abomination." Many things are considered an abomination from eating pork or shellfish to eating the same sex. The biggest abomination is extramarital sex which Christian fundamentalists do not equate as the same abomination as homosexuality.
The word abominable is a rather generic way of stating the unusual. It is not a moral judgment any more than eating shell fish. Thus, when Christian English explorers to the Himalaya mountains first saw examples of the Yeti as it is called in Nepal, they called it "abominable" because they lacked any other word to convey the uniqueness of such a find.
The Yeti, Sasquatch, Big Foot and the Abominable snowman are unique and unusual but they are not "gay" or homosexual. Christian bigots have made an abomination of the word abominable. If only they would read their own Bible instead of enslaving their souls to self righteous charlatans who lead them down abominable paths to spiritual self destruction.
IM
Belteshazzar

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Just ignore this social issue and get to the real issues PLEASE !
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 15, 2007 7:46 AM   
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This has happened long before this even became an issue. And don't tell us that Christians are bad people because not all of them are the typical rightwing fundies that you might have come across !

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» RE: Liberals crack me up Posted by: skipp
Nature vs. Nurture
Posted by: jmmartin on Dec 15, 2007 8:27 AM   
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Thanks, Mr. Sanchez, for the most extensive, comprehensive, incisive article on the ex-gay movement that I have seen (including those published in print zines like The Advocate). (I'm going to apologize at the outset for being Luddite when it comes to html: I only wanted to italicize certain words, but the program italicized my entire comment, and I could not make it go back to plain text.)

At the very heart of the controversy concerning reorientation therapy is the long-running debate on whether gays are born or "made." Nature versus nurture.

An examination of the motives of the reorientationists inevitably leads to the conclusion that they are motivated not by some altruistic desire to "help" anyone but to add numbers to their agenda. By convincing the world that since "gay" is something you do rather than something you are, stigmatization of gays might appear understandable and even proper. These are the same people who -- even in the wake of the brutal bludgeoning of Matthew Shepard and the other instances of fatal gay-bashing -- argue against adding sexual orientation to hate crimes legislation. (How Christian is THAT?)

Their position is well represented by Scott Lively, a hateful, mean-spirited recovering alcoholic and ex-drug addict who, as president of Defend the Family, wrote a paper, "Deciphering 'Gay' Word-Speak and Language of Confusion," stating:

"[Homosexual activists] argue that homosexuality must be innate because no one would choose to be 'gay' and incur the resulting social stigma. This argument is invalid, since many people choose lifestyles that others condemn....There is a very considerable body of testimony from tens of thousands of men and women who once lived as homosexuals. These 'ex-gays' have renounced their former lifestyles and many have become heterosexual in self-identification and desire, while others have stopped at the point of comfort with their own gender and freedom from same-sex desires...."

This assessment says more about Lively than homosexuals, as the writer betrays more than one myth about the gay sexual orientation. It matters not a whit whether homosexuality is hot wired or soldered on at some point in one's personality development. Once a homosexual, always a homosexual: the "ex-gays" are really just gays in deep, self-oppressive denial. By overwhelming numbers, psychiatrists and psychologists today advocate therapy designed to make gays accept themselves and adjust to being different, not go against the grain and try to conform to a heterosexual standard. And those same mental health experts seldom if ever waste time ferreting out the "causes" of the patient's orientation, a complete waste of time.

Second, by use of the word, "gender," Lively seems to be suggesting that homosexual orientation is the result of gender-misidentification. One can only suppose he thinks all gays are "urnings" (to quote Magnus Hirschfield); that is, males who feel they're women trapped in men's bodies, and vice-versa for lesbians. This silly myth makes the Scott Livelys of this world look like the buffoons they are. I suppose all lesbians are nothing but women who are "uncomfortable" being female -- a notion that will come as a complete surprise to many I've had the pleasure to have known.

At the heart of reorientationist motivation is religious dogma and slavish devotion to the vengeful, arbitrary god of the O.T. Jesus did not condemn homosexuals, only Paul, and his condemnation was based on the last vestiges of his Jewish faith. If we followed all of the do's and don'ts of Leviticus today, we'd be committed to mental institutions and just as stigmatized as gays.

Remember, these are the same folks who actually believe that our species is only 6,000 years old and that we once walked among dinosaurs. Homosexuality isn't the problem, religion is.

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Oh, so sad. Here we go again with what's in the Bible.
Posted by: SayBlade on Dec 15, 2007 8:32 AM   
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The words of "Paul" do not condemn homosexuals or their behaviours. A more careful reading reveals that people should not force themselves to do what comes unnaturally, i.e. if you're hetero don't pretend you're attracted to the same sex. Romans 1:21-31. Doing what comes naturally actually supports the opposite of what proponents fixing gays want you to believe.

The "Old Testament" -- I prefer "Hebrew scriptures" -- has absolutely nothing against lesbianism and so-called prohibitions against homosexual behaviour are directed at men. This points to some other reason(s) behind the prohibitions. Leviticus 18:22 is one such verse that is interpreted as a prohibition against homosexuality. It could be saying don't displace women from their proper place or some such thing.

For comprehensive lists of these passages, put "clobber verses" into your search engine.

You can also check out The Jerusalem Protocol authored by Ken Sehested of the Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America in 1995.

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Knew something like this would happen,
Posted by: donl51 on Dec 15, 2007 9:00 AM   
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I unlike a lot of you folks out there have little or no faith that those who follow religions and gods blindly won't lead us back in time to the dark ages ,yep just when you think there's hope, they strike! and its mostly out of sheer blind stupidity, things going wrong? gotta blame somebody! you fight amongst yourselves! now you're the new supremist movement! I'm an atheist,took me years to build up to that,and I really don't care what believers do as long as its not in my face or causing harm, you wish to beleive? thats your business! beleive in creationism? don't care! not big on religion in Gov. because that affects me ,don't like gays? thats your privilege, keep it to yourself !because otherwise you're out to harm somebody,and your gods know we've enough of that in this world, well here's one from me, I hate religions, all of 'em, you know why? they foster hate!!they're most of the root of whats evil in this world. not all of you ,but if you wish the rest of us to not look at it that way then you better keep the religion supremists in line!

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essence and behavior
Posted by: geoweber on Dec 15, 2007 9:19 AM   
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Growing up as a gay person I accepted our culture's condemnation of my 'life style.' In my early 20's a beautiful young woman my age proposed marriage to me. I knew that she knew that I was gay, but my self-rejection caused me to happily accept her proposal. I thought mrriage might change me, but even if it didn't, it would give me 'respectability.' WE were married 17 uears, and had 3 beautiful sons. But none of this really changed me. I did not become a hereosexual, but a heterosexual-acting repressed homosexual. After 7 years of therapy, and a move to a tropical island where we were among very non-judgmental people, I began to evolve, emotionally. THis was not acceptable to my sife, so we eventually divorced. I am happy as a gay person and my 7 sons - now in their 40's - accept me with love.
My point is that these programs designed to 'rescue' gay men CAN change their behavior, if the man is avid enough in his wish to do so. But it does not change his essence, his
orientation. And he will be crippled, in a sense, by this overriding of his own essense.

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We need to stop thinking in black and white
Posted by: reevolve on Dec 15, 2007 10:13 AM   
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I thought that it was a mistake some years back when homosexual activists started pushing the binary theory of sexuality – i.e. one is either born “gay” or “straight.” There is a wealth of evidence to support the Kinsey theory that sexuality is a continuum and that we all fall somewhere within the spectrum, similar to the idea of intelligence. Most people are not either “smart” or “stupid,” but we all possess some measure of intelligence.

Some of the best evidence for is this comes from studies of societies (particularly some South American aboriginal cultures) where homosexual relationships are not only tolerated, but expected, in conjunction with heterosexual relationships. What you see there is that most people engage in sexual relations with both genders, but some will continue to engage in strictly same-sex or opposite-sex relationships. This suggests that there are some people with very strong tendencies either way, while most have tendencies in both directions to varying degrees.

Getting back to the idea that people can be “cured” of homosexuality, I think that of course it can be done, for some people. I also think that if you took a bunch of straight people and subjected them to enough psychotherapy and social pressure, many of them could be “cured” of their heterosexuality. Of course, those with exceptionally strong heterosexual tendencies probably would never get there. But if you take someone with marginal homosexual tendencies that they have acted on, either by choice or because of external factors, you could certainly reorient them, similar to someone with violent tendencies that can be controlled with psychological intervention.

The problem with this type of therapy is not that it can’t be done, but that some people see a problem in need of fixing, where really we should be arguing that one’s sexual preferences and/or choices are nobody else’s business. The problem with the argument that all people who have adopted a gay lifestyle are “born gay” and can’t be changed is that it flies in the face of evidence to the contrary.

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What Jesus really hated:
Posted by: punabear on Dec 15, 2007 11:06 AM   
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There is only one reference in the bible where Jesus gets so angry that he is provoked to violence. The money changers in the temple drove him over the edge and he chased them outdoors. Today you will find ATM machines in the megachurches. How is that not money changers in the temple? He never chased any gay people out of the temple.

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Self loathing is what probably comes from childhood!
Posted by: MindyB on Dec 15, 2007 12:48 PM   
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It's interesting how the President(Chanbers) of Exodus admits to struggling with homosexual sexuality everyday of his life, and states that "Everyday, I wake up and deny what comes naturally to me".

Duh!! One cannot be "cured" of a "disease" if one still struggles with their "homosexual sexuality". The premise is that if you are cured, you no longer have the "disease"--it does not mean that you just learn to hate yourself and your "disease" to a point of enduring "daily struggles".

Also, if his homosexuality "comes naturally" , isn't that the same as being born with "it" , or more specifically this is how God created you, gay (or homosexual if you rather use that term), and therefore, you must accept yourself the way God created you--gay!

Funny how even when he is trying to preach ex-gayness, he can't get away from the truth, that it is nature (er God) who creates gayness in some people ("what comes naturally")

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I wonder if one of these centers can cure me ...
Posted by: shanaza on Dec 15, 2007 1:49 PM   
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of my blue eyes. If I will it, and work hard enough, maybe they will become brown.

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feel especially sorry for the young people
Posted by: zooeyhall on Dec 15, 2007 2:43 PM   
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These people that run these types of things are sick and evil.

I used to take for granted that, despite some setbacks now and then, there is a steady march of human progress in the world. Reading this story makes me wonder if that is true.

I am a gay person, and have pretty much given up on Christianity and religion in general. Reading this story makes me glad I made the right decision.

Where are our so-called "respectable" main- stream churches? Why are they silent on the travesty that these people are doing?

I feel especially sorry for the young people forced into this abuse, this torture. The parents who put their kids into this are guilty of the worst kind of child abuse. They are unfit parents.

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Why can't America....
Posted by: davidg on Dec 15, 2007 5:44 PM   
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...get past this issue? It is the hypocrisy of Haggard and Larry Craig, and the homophobia in the culture that "got" those guys. If there were no homophobia there would be no hypocrisy and no "getting" of anybody. Most countries in Europe and Canada are past it. What is wrong with the land of the free? As a gay teacher, I said to my prinicpal years ago, "If every gay man and woman came to work with an indelible pink triangle on his or her forehead Monday morning, not only would the world be aghast but the issue would be over." Come out, come out wherever you are!

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Anybody have the address for this ministry?
Posted by: lexicon on Dec 15, 2007 5:54 PM   
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I've felt for YEARS that I'm a Lesbian, trapped in a man's body.

I've struggled to come to terms with this, and perhaps these Ministry folks can help...

Even when I change the oil in my car. I find myself cursing and swearing like a longshoreman at the stupid MAN bastard that designed the frickin'frackin' thing so that you need two double-jointed elbows on the same damn arm to just REACH the damn filter.

Tell me...would a WOMAN design some half-assed crap like that? HELL NO.

See...the self-hate is CONFLICTING me. Maybe St. Paul can HELP.

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Another Hetero Xmas
Posted by: HoboHomo on Dec 15, 2007 5:57 PM   
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Xmas is the chief holiday of Our Hetero Overlords: established to ASSERT the superiority of roughshod capitalist dogma, hand in hand with breeder supremacy. Breeders may take some time off from work, but they sure don't take a break from gay bashing! This is a "Fambly Valyooz" holiday, queers EXCLUDED doncha know. When so accused (being the smug fetus-poopers they are) they'll point to the rare exception of a family here and there (probably totalling no more than a scant dozen across the entire United States including Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Mexico and Canada), who INCLUDE their gay relations...under proscribed and severely restricted conditions. Such as:

Don't TALK about homosexuality especially gay marriage to ANYONE...don't hold hands except in the privacy of your bedroom (and don't be seen entering the bedroom together) and for god's sake don't DARE kiss in public...don't wear ANYthing that displays pro-gay sentiment such as buttons, stickers, key chains, or jewelry (which includes the pink triangle or rainbow in any way, shape or form)...cover up or remove ANY gay bumper stickers on your vehicle before you even DARE come within five miles of our home...and for chris-sake, don't DANCE with each other or even HUG! And NO faggoty behavior such as lisping, limp-wrist gestures, crossing your leg above the knee, sashaying like a vamp, or showing ANY interest in opera, ballet, and broadway musicals. Oh, and one more thing: BOTH ears should definitely not be pierced; ONE however, is permissable.

Lest you forget you're mingling with the enemy, albeit FAMBLY, just pretend you're an undercover communist homosexual gimped-out gypsy Jew at one of Hitler's exclusive Gestapo galas in the Bavarian Alps.

Keep your guard up at ALL times, don't wear anything PINK (or lavender), maintain a wan, obsequious grin...and don't speak unless spoken to. And study this manifesto "Seven Litmus Tests" before attending ANY fambly event. Writ by yours truly, it will help gird your psychological loins upon infiltrating enemy camp.

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Seven Litmus Tests - part 1 of 2
Posted by: HoboHomo on Dec 15, 2007 6:03 PM   
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So, you have straight friends--even family members, perhaps--who are so very understanding and accepting of your homosexuality. Or are they, really? Take a second look and see how they stand up to the seven litmus tests I describe herein:

1) Of course, if they accept your homosexuality, they are most likely "liberals". And--being the good liberals they are--they proudly wear T-shirts and decals proclaiming their support of black people's rights, women's rights, ecological causes, anti-nuclear slogans, et cetera. But where are their T-shirts that say something like "Another hetero for gay rights"? If your straight friends do not display pro-gay icons on a regular basis--as they do for other causes--then they are not truly supportive of your sexual civil rights. Just as in the past, many white folks did not vocalize support for black people from fear of being called "nigger lovers"...many liberals are afraid of being labeled "faggot" if they display support for gay rights. (Their loss, and your holocaust.)

2) Your "progressive" hetero friends love to chew the fat over political issues (see above)...yet they never seem to come around to discussing the gay dilemma. Unless, of course, you yourself interject that topic, with resulting token responses by your "supportive" chums. But if you're silent, or not there, homosexuality is never a part of their progressive agenda. If they donate to liberal causes, have they ever included a contribution to some lesbian or gay organization?

3) If your "loving" family members say they support you...how far will they go in defending you before a bigoted relative? Or do they avoid the topic of homosexuality altogether, in order to never be in a position to defend you?

4) If you lost a lover from AIDS or other tragedy: how many family members rush to your side in loving concern, to ease you through your passage of grief...as they clearly would for their heterosexual kin? Or do they give you a cursory nod of sympathy, then go on their own selfish way? (Implying, of course, that no one can really take a homosexual relationship seriously...it is, at best, a joke; and certainly something one can get over in a few weeks or less.)

5) Has any close relative (such as a brother, sister, or parent) ever voluntarily approached you to ask your opinions of what it's like to be gay, and how you cope with an intolerant society? Does any relative take the kindness to recognize your humanity during Lesbian/ Gay Pride Week? (Or do they all pretend they don't even know of its existence, even when you remind them of the upcoming event each year?) Has any one of them actually read a book about homosexuality--just as they read about racism, Viet Nam, etc.-- that they may better understand the issue? (Are there any books in their homes about gay people...along with their books on women's rights, racism, and other progressive topics?)

6) Are your "understanding" hetero buddies often rationalizing society's homophobia with statements like: "Well, heterosexuality is so deeply ingrained in our culture...it will take some time yet for society to come around." Though they would never dream of saying the same thing for other issues of oppression; such as black people's rights, child abuse, job discrimination towards females, etc. (Yet those negative aspects are just as ingrained in our society, as is hatred towards homosexuals.)

continued...

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Seven Litmus Tests - part 2 of 2
Posted by: HoboHomo on Dec 15, 2007 6:05 PM   
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7) Do your relatives go all ga-ga over conventional "het" weddings within the family...and pretend to never comprehend why you might feel a little less eager to celebrate these breeder unions, than they are? ("Oh, cousin Peggy, I'm so happy you're getting married to the man of your dreams! I'll dance with all the bridesmaid's and sing, and play piano, and in general, be the life of the party. Then when it's all over, I'll go back to my little queer closet, where I can brood to my heart's content over never being able to celebrate a marriage with the partner of my dreams, as you, privileged hetero, can so freely do.")

Note: Would you consider refusing to attend hetero weddings until the time when gays can also marry...and mail a written declaration to this effect to your closer relatives? Or are you a slave to your family's every demand...and/or afraid of losing certain fringe benefits, such as paid college tuition, generous birthday and graduation gifts, family business loans and donations, and a sumptuous inheritance or two? If so, then you must also bear some guilt for perpetuating homophobia. Mama's boys just don't cut the mustard when it comes to defending homosexual civil rights at the cost of making their mothers happy.

Many of us live in delusion as to the assumed "stalwart support" from our heterosexual kith and kin. So I hope the examples above will wake up some of our sisters and brothers. I must also point out that if you do have family members and straight friends who pass these litmus tests, then you are a lucky soul, indeed.

I am a Christian who believes that Jesus is homosexual, and whose lover is of course, God. And it is also my belief that Jesus had the homosexuality/family issue in mind, when He said (Matthew 10:35-36):

"For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes will be those of his own household."

President Clinton's signing of the so-called "Defense Of Marriage Act" is clearly this prophecy on the way to fulfilling itself. Best prepare for the revolution about to come, and beware of family and most of your hetero buddies--for they may kill you with "friendly fire."

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The post to trump all posts
Posted by: PhantomOfLiberty on Dec 15, 2007 6:11 PM   
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First of all a big THANK YOU to Casey Sanchez for writing such a detailed and balanced article about this insane phenomenon.

Ok. Let's get a few things out of the way.

Anyone who follows a religious dogma and full-heartedly believes in an anthropomorphic higher being that actually gives a fart about our species is ignorant to many aspects of science and other cultures. They also may be clinging to doctrines they were fed as children and may not have the willpower to overcome the fear of the possibility of spending half (or more) of their life in logical darkness.

That being said not all "christians" are bad people.

However, this article and other writings that expose the ignorance and hate promoted by some of the worse people who belong to this religion or the social damage they cause (Don't EVEN tell me there was no damage caused. Let's see: Crusades, "witch" burning, inquisition, child molester protecting, abortion clinic bombing, assassinations, lynching, racisim, misogyny...I could go on) are simply talking about the "bad" ones.

Get over it. If you are so confident that you are not one of the bad ones and that "not all christians are