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Rights and Liberties

Gun Love in America Is Strong as Ever

By Paul Harris, The Observer UK. Posted October 16, 2007.


Despite the spiraling rise in the daily number of shootings in the US, gun culture has only become stronger.
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Shirley Katz is not afraid to fight for her rights. Last week the schoolteacher, 44, went to court in her home town of Medford, Oregon, to protest at her working conditions. Specifically she is outraged she cannot carry a handgun into class. 'I know it is my right to carry that gun,' she said.

Katz was in court in the week that someone else took a gun to school in America. This time it was a pupil in Cleveland, Ohio. Asa Coon, 14, walked the corridors of his school, a gun in each hand, shooting two teachers and two students. Then he killed himself. Coon's attempted massacre made headlines. But a more bloody rampage, the murder of six young partygoers by Tyler Peterson, a policeman in Crandon, Wisconsin, got less attention, even in the New York Times -- America's newspaper of record -- which buried it deep inside the paper.

Guns, and the violence their possessors inflict, have never been more prevalent in America. Gun crime has risen steeply over the past three years. Despite the fact groups such as the National Rifle Association (NRA) consistently claim they are being victimised, there have probably never been so many guns or gun-owners in America -- although no one can be sure, as no one keeps a reliable account. One federal study estimated there were 215 million guns, with about half of all US households owning one. Such a staggering number makes America's gun culture thoroughly mainstream.

An average of almost eight people aged under 19 are shot dead in America every day. In 2005 there were more than 14,000 gun murders in the US -- with 400 of the victims children. There are 16,000 suicides by firearm and 650 fatal accidents in an average year. Since the killing of John F Kennedy in 1963, more Americans have died by American gunfire than perished on foreign battlefields in the whole of the 20th century.

Studies show that having a gun at home makes it six times more likely that an abused woman will be murdered. A gun in a US home is 22 times more likely to be used in an accidental shooting, a murder or a suicide than in self-defence against an attack. Yet despite those figures US gun culture is not retreating. It is growing. Take Katz's case in Oregon. She brought her cause to court under a state law that gives licensed gun-owners the right to bring a firearm to work: her school is her workplace. Such a debate would have been unthinkable a few decades ago. Now it is the battleground. 'Who would have thought a few years ago, we would even be having this conversation? But this won't stop here,' said Professor Brian Anse Patrick of the University of Toledo in Ohio. Needless to say, last week the judge sided with Katz and she won the first round of her case.

It is a nation awash with guns, from the suburbs to the inner cities and from the Midwest's farms to Manhattan's mansions. Gun-owning groups have been so successful in their cause that it no longer even seems strange to many Americans that Katz should want to go into an English class armed. 'They have made what was once unthinkable thinkable,' said Patrick, a liberal academic. He should know. He owns a gun himself. Even the US critics of gun culture are armed.

To look at the photographs in Kyle Cassidy's book Armed America is to glimpse a surreal world. Or at least it seems that way to many non-Americans. Cassidy spent two years taking portrait shots of gun owners and their weapons across the US.

The result is a disturbing tableau of happy families, often with pets and toddlers, posing with pistols, assault rifles and the sort of heavy machine-guns usually associated with a warzone. 'By the end I had seen so many guns and I knew so much about guns that it no longer seemed unusual,' Cassidy said. He keeps his in a gun safe in his home in Philadelphia. 'This turned into a project not about guns but about a diverse group of people,' he said.

At the cutting edge of weapon culture remains the gun lobby and its most vocal advocate, the NRA. Founded in the 19th century by ex-Civil War army officers dismayed at their troops' lack of marksmanship, the NRA has transformed into the most effective lobbying group in Washington DC. It has scores of lobbyists, millions of dollars in funds and more than three million members. It is highly organised and its huge membership is highly motivated and activist. They can have a huge influence on politics.

In 2000 Vice-President Al Gore supported stricter background checks for gun-buyers and the NRA organised against him, describing the election as the most important since the Civil War. It spent $20m against Gore in an election ending in a razor's edge result. Its influence was especially felt in Gore's home state of Tennessee, which he narrowly lost to NRA gloating. 'Their vote can select the President. They don't get to pick who goes to the White House. But they can tip the balance,' said Patrick.

Democrats have learnt that lesson now. Many shy away from gun control issues, wary of taking on such a vociferous lobby group. In the 2006 mid-term elections the NRA was able to back a historically high 58 Democrats running for office. Every one of them went on to win. Such influence over the past three decades has seen the NRA fight a successful campaign against new gun laws. It has in fact loosened regulations, spreading the ability to legally carry concealed weapons across 39 states. And this has all been done in the face of a fight from anti-gun groups, backed by much of the mainstream media. 'Politicians are so afraid of the gun lobby. They run scared of it,' said Joan Burbick, author of the book Gun Show Nation


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A well regulated militia.....
Posted by: vox persona on Oct 16, 2007 12:40 AM   
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THANK DOG FOR THE 2nd AMMENDMENT! "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" a quote left out of the article. An armed populace is harder for a tyranny to control. But, like the First Ammendment, nothing is absolute (shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre, 'threatening' speech, etc.). I'm glad we citizens have the freedom to keep a weapon to defend our home, but the ammendment obviously refers to a "well regulated militia". Let me put it this way, if the ammendment stated, "Cancer being such a painful disease, the rights of doctors to prescribe morphine shall not be infringed", that wouldn't mean everyone should have access to morphine at all times. The American Civil Liberties Union and the National Rifle Association are examples of good ideas taken too far. You may wonder why I am lumping together the ACLU and the NRA to make my point. Just as the ACLU does stuff like defending the KuKluxKlan and NAMBLA (North America Man/Boy Love Association, a pedophile group), the NRA bends over backwards defending things such as assault weapons and 'cop killer' bullets, which can pierce bulletproof vests. There is a sensible middle ground. The 2nd Ammendment even specifies "well regulated", so why the NRA resists all regulations is beyond me. In this brutal world of violent video games, graphic movie/tv images, and the veritable desensitizing of human life itself, we may have already crossed the Rubicon. The genie is out of that bottle.
A comedian once made me laugh when he joked that we should all be allowed to own only weapons the were available when the Constitution was written, which would mean we were only allowed to own muskets. That would certainly reduce crime.

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» RE: A well regulated militia..... Posted by: vox persona
» Facts do make a difference Posted by: vox persona
» RE: Facts do make a difference Posted by: YogiBear
» YogiBear for Prez Posted by: vox persona
» RE: Facts do make a difference Posted by: Skipper1946
» RE: Cop killer bullets... right. Posted by: latteslave
» Teflon Posted by: YogiBear
» Amen, prophit! n/t Posted by: jbur816
» Upon consideration.... Posted by: vox persona
» www.votenic.com Posted by: votenic
Seems unlikely...
Posted by: ahmlco on Oct 16, 2007 12:42 AM   
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"One federal study estimated there were 215 million guns, with about half of all US households owning one."

I must live in the other half then, as hardly anyone I know has one. As such, I also feel the need to ask what numbers some of the other Federal studies estimated, as I'm pretty sure the author choose with care the one study best suited to his point.

Further, all of his articles are written for The Observer in the UK, and discuss Federal reports and Kyle Cassidy's book, Armed America, which makes one wonder just how much hands-on experience the author has with the subject. Or if he spent most of his time looking at a picture book.

Is there a "spiraling rise"? Most studies have shown violent crime declining over the past two decades, a fact inconvenient both here and to those that loudly oppose movie and video game violence.

And do you have a pool? Let your kids go down the street to a friend's house with a pool? Because just to put things into perspective, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is. (Steven Levitt)

But as deadly as they may be, we have for some reason yet to see the AlterNet article recommending that we ban swimming pools...

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» RE: Seems unlikely... Posted by: worldwide65
» RE: Seems unlikely... Posted by: tkwilson
» RE: Seems unlikely... Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: Seems unlikely... Posted by: zorro
» The madness argument Posted by: YogiBear
That's true!
Posted by: TT16 on Oct 16, 2007 1:09 AM   
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And we can definitely see the RESULTS!

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» www.votenic.com Posted by: votenic
Let's be reasonable when citing stats
Posted by: YogiBear on Oct 16, 2007 2:39 AM   
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Odd that the essay includes this tidbit:

"Studies show that having a gun at home makes it six times more likely that an abused woman will be murdered."

But fails to bring up that fear of her husband is precisely why Katz wants to bring a gun into school -- her workplace -- in the first place. Which one is it? Do you want women to be safer or not?

Of course a gun, or anything that could be used as a weapon, in the home is going to be used more by the abuser. Most often likely, it's their gun. But, in any domestic violence situation, the chance the abuser knows the layout of the home and its contents are pretty high. Only in cases where the abused is living separately and the abuser has no knowledge of the home would I recommend having a weapon hidden away. Even then, the best weapon the abused can have is empowerment -- the will to get away, the will to survive. Clearly, especially in some rural areas where police are not quickly accessible, having some sort of weapon could be a help only if the invader has no access to it.

Guns with fingerprint locks would be perfect in such situations, I would think.

To continue:

"A gun in a US home is 22 times more likely to be used in an accidental shooting, a murder or a suicide than in self-defense against an attack."

That 22 figure is really boosted by suicides, isn't it. Personally, I'm not against suicide (for other people). It's an individualist act and supported, at later stages in life, by the "progressive" community. But it does inflate those figures.

Accidents are common, no argument there. I mean, guns are dangerous -- that's the point of them. And no argument from me that guns -- mostly handguns (which weren't demonized in the assault weapons ban, go figure) -- are used in murders.

But the stats only count guns that are "used," in self defense. I.E. fired. Criminals do like to steal guns from citizens, but they have been quoted time and again they don't like to target
folks they know to be armed. Criminals always go for the easy prey.

This part gets me:

"Guns in colonial times were much rarer than often thought, not least because they were so expensive that few settlers could afford them. Indeed one study of early gun homicides showed that a musket was as likely to be used as club to beat someone to death as actually fired."

Is that the study cited by Michael Bellesiles in his "Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture" book? You do know he was forced to revise his figures upward from 1 in 10 colonial Americans possessing a gun to 1 in 5, not an insignificant difference. And others, including at least a few nonpartisans have interpreted those same early records to cite it as 1 in every 2 households.

Playboy magazine, whose editorial dept. is avowed anti-gun, haughtily printed Bellesiles original claims in 2001, but later felt it necessary to print the updated info with many corrections or caveats. The editors' attitude could only realistically be described as chagrined, if still defiant.

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» Fair and balanced Posted by: YogiBear
» www.votenic.com Posted by: votenic
LOTS OF GUNS - NO BUTTER
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 16, 2007 2:50 AM   
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America's pathological obsession with fire arms will one day come back to haunt us - even more than it is haunting us now. We can argue from now until the crack of doom about what the real intent of the 2nd ammendment was. But you have to ubderstand that when it was written over two-hundred years ago, the rapid fire, semi-automatic weapons that have been responsible for so much of the carnage on our city streets were over a century away from even being invented. And while it is always not a wise idea to ammend the constitution in order to limit freedoms, a society that lives in mortal terror of when the next mass slaughter in a high school cafeteria somewhere is going to happen (And it will happen again - count on it) is not a free society at all but, in fact, a society held hostage.

Maybe I'm just a tad sensitive on this issue because I had a loved one killed a number of years ago by some twisted little geek who had been stalking her. Susan Clements, my beloved, lost cousin, was an accomplished violinist, pianist and an award winning writer. She was twenty-three years old and had a wonderful life to look forward to. The man who murdered her in cold blood, a German exchange student, could not easily gain access to a gun in Susan's home state of Indiana. He traveled to Arizona (a state with some of the stupidest gun laws in the entire Milky Way) and was able to obtain two of them. He then drove back to Bloomington and killed her and her boyfriend, Steven Molen, in her dorm room at the University of Indiana on April 23, 1992. She was such a beautiful, sweet and gentle girl. This year marked the fifteenth anniversary of her passing and it doesn't get any easier to accept as time goes by. I once met an elderly man in Toronto whose own daughter had died in the same horrible way over thirty years before. He said to me, "You adjust, but you never really get over it." I've come to know how right he was.

Are there lessons to be learned from the out-of-control pile-up of dead bodies because of America's perverted love of guns? Oh, yeah! i>A whole shitload of lessons! Will the American people finally take those lessons to heart? Don't hold your breath.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
An Inconvenient truth for the Democrats

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» RE: LOTS OF GUNS - NO BUTTER Posted by: YogiBear
» Here is the actual link: Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: LOTS OF GUNS - NO BUTTER Posted by: Moira61
» RE: LOTS OF GUNS - NO BUTTER Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: LOTS OF GUNS - NO BUTTER Posted by: clvngodess
» carnage.... Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: LOTS OF GUNS - NO BUTTER Posted by: maxomai
» RE: LOTS OF GUNS - NO BUTTER Posted by: LeeAnnG
» Hello LeeAnn Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: LOTS OF GUNS - NO BUTTER Posted by: jbur816
Fortress America
Posted by: Carts on Oct 16, 2007 3:19 AM   
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I am just waiting until you stoopid yanks start your civil war - thats gonna be good TV!

The end of America will be when it shoots itself.

And the rest of the world will celebrate.

America has been as virus in the world - may it die soon.

"God Destroy America"

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» pfft! we're WAY ahead of you on that Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: Fortress America Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Fortress America Posted by: fideau
» RE: Fortress America Posted by: Ky Lake Dave
» RE: You have hate in your heart Posted by: magiquarian1969
just bill
Posted by: jwc1480 on Oct 16, 2007 3:23 AM   
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I would still rather have a pistol in my hand than a cop on the phone.

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» RE: just bill Posted by: laoma
when I lived in California, my local newspaper had a weekly column reporting every crime in the area
Posted by: Suzon on Oct 16, 2007 4:19 AM   
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It ran the gamut from the rare homicide to the guy who kept sneaking into the library to secretly paint girls' toenails. But a very common crime was burglars stealing guns from the people who bought them to protect against crime.

So we had a situation whereby the law-abiding were providing free guns for criminals--not exactly a desirable outcome!

The best point made here has been the fact that, while guns make America a scarier place to live, it's the inequality and culture of violence that is probably a much more important factor than the weapons themselves.

In a hierarchy of dominance ("I'm the decider!"), low social status produces violent men and pregnant women. The best way to reduce crime is by respecting the right of every person to a good education and a chance for a decent life in a democracy which keeps the "corporateers" under control.

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» RE: Lets face it Posted by: fearn
Now or Never
Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Oct 16, 2007 4:37 AM   
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The moral ideal of America as a nation of peaceful people who have no need of guns is, of course, completely out of reach. America has always been very diverse, settled by all kinds of people, good and bad. So, instead of campaigning against the very existence of guns, we need to re-write and enforce the regulations already on the books, which should reflect and address the grossly overcrowded situation we find ourselves in this year of 2007-8.

The question is: do individual citizens have the right to defend their homes and their persons from attack by the growing number of petty criminals who are erupting out of the growing population? The Constitution says they do.

But one problem is that thousands of untrained and emotionally unstable people are included in that 2nd Amendment, people who should be barred from any access to guns until they pass a strict test of their psychological fitness and skill in handling firearms.

Another problem is the 50 states have widely different laws, so effective regulation nationwide is nearly impossible.

But the biggest problem today, in my opinion, is our overpopulated, dis-united nation is slipping into social chaos and the likelihood of another Civil War. If that happens in a nation as heavily armed as the USA, blood will cover the streets.

Therefore, in my opinion, there are two solutions:

1. Write and strictly enforce a universal gun law that applies to all the states of the union and to each and every citizen.

2. Reduce the population through family planning clinics in every state available to all women of child-bearing age.

That won't solve all the tensions that divide our nation, but it might stop the younger psychopaths from shooting their classmates; and it might prevent domestic disputes from going ballistic - hopefully.

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» RE: Now or Never Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Now or Never Posted by: solrev
» double talk Posted by: Constitutionalist75
Speaking of that, I need another gun...
Posted by: willie.horton on Oct 16, 2007 4:43 AM   
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We own several guns. So do many of our friends. None of these guns will ever be used in a crime. Most likely, we will use them only to punch holes in paper targets.
Wake up, fellow liberals: Poverty, not guns, is the problem here. The only thing we have gained by passing so-called "gun control" laws is... nothing, unless we count 12 years of Republican control in Congress as a gain (and we don't).

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» Unless your house is burglarized Posted by: war_on_tara
» HUH????? Posted by: Prophit
It's good to have guns at home....
Posted by: donl51 on Oct 16, 2007 4:52 AM   
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When you have dirty Government running your country and your lives lets call it a.''check'' on how far they can go!

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» very well said Posted by: yale
This isn't going to get better
Posted by: tkwilson on Oct 16, 2007 5:04 AM   
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We live in a society where the law is delivered at gunpoint, and that law is anything but equally applied. Race/class make all the difference.
The population of this country has doubled in the last 54 years or so (my lifetime) and actual wages have been in decline since I was 10 yrs old.
Our political situation has been deteriorating for a very long time. In fact, it may have been fatally flawed from the get-go.
In any case, we are currently owned by a global corporatocracy who don't really care.

The whole firearms issue is really a non sequitur. In fact, I'd call it a Red Herring.

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an atmosphere of fear
Posted by: aislinnluv on Oct 16, 2007 5:06 AM   
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i live in texas, where it is legal to have concealed handguns. i work as a petsitter, which means i go into people's homes for the purpose of caring for their domestic pets. more than once, my boss has mistakenly sent me somewhere that i wasn't scheduled to go. i've seen handguns in some of these homes - hidden under the edge of the bed, sometimes. so i worry that one of these days i will open a door and be greeted by a scared homeowner who blasts away at what he thinks is a home invasion. i've also had a neighbor kid hit my house with shot from a pellet gun (and the constable i called tried to tell me i was hearing "june bugs hitting the window screen"). i suspect the kid was trying instead to kill my cat - a lot of that goes on in this area. and what about those inevitable traffic disagreements? i'm afraid even to honk at drivers whose behavior is churlish and/or dangerous, for fear of being shot at (it has happened in this state). the argument that we need to be able to own guns for our protection is rank bullshit. handguns have no place in a civilized society, and there is absolutely no rational reason for a private citizen to own any kind of assault weapon. get real, people. today, someone else but tomorrow, perhaps you. or me.

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» I agree...... LOL Posted by: Prophit
Enforce the laws
Posted by: Philip Newton on Oct 16, 2007 5:18 AM   
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I live a few miles from the Medford, Oregon teacher who wants to take her handgun into class. In this part of Oregon, few people are without firearms. I have a shotgun and a rifle.

While I think the Medford teacher's stance is wrong (she is not, by the way, allowed to have her gun in school as of yet) the tone of this article is off-base.

I live in the county next to Medford. Sometimes we have one sheriff patrol for an area bigger than Rhode Island. We have meth, gang-operated "plantations" and a forest full of edentulous freaks straight outta Deliverance.

I am keeping my guns. They are varmint-getters. They are also my only defense in the event of an attack on my family. Rudy G and the anti-gun lobby live in one of the most heavily-policed regions of the world. I do not. The writer of this article is from the UK. Bully for him. I am not. (I don't imagine the writer has had to drive off pet-killing and child-menacing coyotes, for instance, but here in Oregon there are a whole host of critters that do not respect our food chain rank.)

Rather than pointing to guns as the source of the problem, and advocating new restrictions on their lawful use, I suggest enforcing the laws we have.

What a concept.

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» RE: nforce the laws Posted by: yoursfaithfully
Guns v. Gun culture
Posted by: StrayCat on Oct 16, 2007 5:30 AM   
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