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What Makes Criminal Suspects Give a False Confession?
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"Oh man, blood was scattered all over the place. I couldn't look at it no more," Wise told his interrogators. "…We went to the park for trouble and got trouble, a lot of trouble. That's what they wanted and I guess that's what I wanted. When I was doing it, that's what I wanted too. I can't apologize because it's too late. Now we got to pay up for what we did."
The confession was as good as a conviction. By the time it was shown in court, the jury, the city, and the country were convinced Wise and his four co-defendants-who had also confessed-were guilty as sin. But at the trial a problem arose. Despite his taped confession, Kharey Wise now insisted he was innocent. His confession, he said, had been forced out of him by the police.
A few days after Thanksgiving 1990, a dramatic exchange took place on the stand between the prosecutor and Wise. The New York Times ran it:
"Did the police tell you to say, "It was my first rape?'" [prosecutor Elizabeth Lederer] said, her arms folded tightly around her waist.The jury was not convinced. Unlike his co-defendants, Wise was sent to an adult prison, where he spent 11-and-a-half years behind bars. Then, in 2002, following a confession by another convict (and a conclusive DNA match), he and the other young men - now known as the Central Park Five - were exonerated
"Yes," he said.
"Did they ever tell you to say you had never done it before and would never do it again?"
"Yes."
"Did they tell you to say, "We went to the park for trouble and that's what we got?"
"Yes," he said.
"Did the police make you say 'We got to pay for what we did?'"
"Yes."
"Did they make you demonstrate how she was beaten and raped?"
"Yes."
"How she was punched?"
"Probably."
With that answer, Ms. Lederer shot back: "The police never told you any of those things, did they?"
"I just wanted to go home," he replied.
The exoneration was met with the outrage and skepticism of many who could not believe that a group of men who had given confessions could possibly have been innocent-exculpatory evidence be damned. As a reporter for the Village Voice wrote at the time: "the acceptance of their guilt appears so deeply embedded in the public consciousness that even Matias Reyes's confession and DNA match aren't enough to quell the murmuring of some pundits and naysayers." Not to mention the NYPD, which released a report denying any mistakes were made and proposing new theories as to how the teenagers had acted in concert with Reyes.
The Central Park Jogger case may have been exceptional in its notoriety-Donald Trump took out a full-page ad in the Times calling for the reinstatement of the state death penalty for the defendants-but its outcome was disturbingly revealing with regard to false confessions. In a court of law, whether written or captured on tape, defendant confessions are so damning, they can easily overpower any other evidence. According to a 1999 study on false confessions written by Richard P. Conti and published in the Journal of Credibility Assessment and Witness Psychology, "the introduction of a confession makes the other aspects of a trial in court superfluous."
For suspects who provide false confessions, this realization comes far too late.
But seriously, who gives a false confession?
As it turns out, plenty of people.
Criminal justice history is littered with tales of false confessions. Among the more sensational are the famous kidnapping and murder of aviator Charles Lindbergh's baby in 1932-which prompted more than 200 people to come forward and "confess" to the crime-and, a decade and a half later, the gruesome killing of a young actress who would be nicknamed the "Black Dahlia." Thirty people confessed to that murder.
Most false confessions don't ride on that kind of publicity-although the past few decades have brought an alarming number of high-profile exonerations, casting scrutiny on the causes of wrongful convictions. Statistics on the topic are hard to come by, but the Innocence Project estimates that of the 205 exonerations that have come from DNA evidence alone, 25 percent of the defendants confessed. This makes false confessions one of the leading factors behind wrongful convictions, second only to witness misidentification. The typical false confession comes from an anonymous suspect, outside the public eye, in a setting cloaked in darkness: the police interrogation room.
Christopher Ochoa was 22 years old when he was brought in for questioning by Austin, Texas police for the rape and murder of a woman during a robbery at a Pizza Hut not far from one where he worked. The year was 1988. "It started on a Friday morning," he recalls. It was 8:00 am and they were asking him questions about a burglary that had occurred nearby. "A big detective walks in and he starts staring at me up and down. He just looks at me, stares at me, and he bangs his fist on the table. He's, you know, strutting, cocky…And I asked him, because I was curious, if this had to do with the robbery of the Pizza Hut. I was already a suspect but they lied to me, they said they wanted to question me about another crime." When Ochoa raised the question, he was asked, pointedly, "'Why are you asking about that?'"
What followed was a weekend of psychological torture; an endless and belligerent game of good cop/bad cop that would leave him exhausted, terrified, and almost completely broken down. "He starts yelling at me, 'if you know something and aren't telling me, I can charge you with capital murder.'" It was the first of many death penalty threats Ochoa would receive at the station. He was shown a picture of a death row cell and told that if he didn't cooperate, he would spend the rest of his life there. "He grabs my arm at one point, and taps my vein and says 'this is where the needle is gonna go in if you don't cooperate and I'm gonna make sure I'm there to see it.'"
Ochoa insisted repeatedly that he didn't have any information, eventually asking for an attorney. "Only guilty people ask for attorneys," he was told. "I took a polygraph test which I failed-or they said I failed," he says, chuckling. The longer they interrogated him, the more vulnerable he became. "I felt like I was one of those sick dogs in the street that people just kick around."
"They're wearing me down and at one point they say 'the DA is ready to charge you'-and there's no DA outside the door, but-then, the kind of person I was … I always wanted to please everybody … and by that time I was tired … I just wanted to go home, just wanted it to end. 'What do you want me to say?'"
By the end of the weekend, Ochoa had signed two statements implicating himself in the crime, and agreed to confess on camera. On tape, he repeatedly got the facts wrong -"they wanted me to give details I obviously didn't know"-but eventually recorded a passable confession. He then became a witness against his roommate and co-defendant, a man named Richard Danziger, who, along with Ochoa, would end up sentenced to life. In prison, Danzinger was beaten so severely, he was left permanently brain damaged."
Ochoa was exonerated in 2001, with the help of the Innocence Project. He is now a practicing attorney in Madison, Wisconsin. "I still have nightmares … I still see the police."
Dr. Saul Kassin is a professor of psychology at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York and Williams College in Massachusetts, as well as a pioneer in the study of false confessions. In his view, the real story behind a false confession is almost always about police interrogation tactics. As anyone who has ever watched a cop drama might imagine, extracting a confession from a suspect is a central priority in crime solving-and police interrogators routinely use a combination of deceit, manipulation, and threats, not unlike like the ones described by Ochoa (if not as severe) to get one.
Kassin's description of the interrogation methods that result in false confessions echoes Ochoa's experience. They start with a lie. "The key feature in these cases, typically," says Kassin, "is that the suspect was hauled in and in the interrogation room [the police] insists that 'We have independent evidence of your culpability.'" For example, a suspect will be given a polygraph test and told he has failed it-regardless of the actual results-or a suspect will be told that someone saw him at the scene of the crime. "I've seen cases where the suspect was told that their fingerprints were on the murder weapon." The result is a scenario in which even an innocent person can start to mistrust his own memory. "Trusting that in fact this evidence must be real, the suspect has to reconcile this evidence with the knowledge that he has not committed a crime," explains Kassin. The longer an interrogation lasts, the more vulnerable a suspect is to having ideas implanted in their minds. "In the most extreme of these cases," says Kassin, "you can actually get a suspect to produce a false memory."
Indeed, some suspects actually end up internalizing their own guilt. "In 1985 my colleague and I identified three different categories of false confessions," Kassin says. There are "voluntary" false confessions, in which a suspect admits to a crime without any coercion from the police; there are "compliant-coercive" false confessions, in which harsh and leading questioning leads an innocent suspect to confess, and then there is a third kind: "coerced internalized false confessions." "These are the types," says Kassin, "where people come to believe they committed a crime."
Though comparatively rare-"you see them every now and them"-coerced-internalized confessions are most common among defendants who are particularly vulnerable, whether due to youth or mental impairment, or both. In some cases, individuals may feel particularly cowed in the face of authority.
Take the case of the Norfolk Four, a group of former sailors who each gave false confessions for a rape and murder in Norfolk, VA in 1997. Despite the of absence physical evidence linking them to the crime-and a DNA match to a man who has repeatedly said that he committed the crime alone-one of the men, Joseph Jesse Dick, Jr., became so convinced of his own guilt, it followed him from the interrogation room to the witness stand, where he not only pled guilty and testified against two of his co-defendants, but named an additional five accomplices and made a public apology to the victim's parents. In an interview with the New York Times this summer at the Keen Mountain Correctional Center in southwest Virginia, Dick said the interrogation-carried out by a Norfolk detective with a history of extracting false confessions-had "messed up my mind." "It didn't cross my mind that I was lying," he said. "I believed what I was saying was true." Three of the four men remain in prison, serving life sentences.
Interrogations are not unlike hypnosis in that they can produce, in the words of one expert, "a trance-like state of heightened suggestibility" so that "truth and falsehood become hopelessly confused in the suspect's mind." Asked if he ever came close to believing that he'd committed the crime for which he was charged, Ochoa remarks, "actually at one time I almost did. They said well, 'maybe you blacked out, [the crime] was so bad you just blocked it out.' I didn't voice it, but I thought, 'Well maybe I don't remember.'" Snapping out of it, he says, "I thought, 'Wait a minute, I was at home asleep-what the hell am I talking about?'" Still, the thoughts occasionally haunted him in prison. "Even in jail, I was like maybe I did it."
Interrogations notwithstanding, there are plenty of additional factors that lead people to confess to crimes they didn't commit. Some people are trying to cover for someone else. Others have guilt issues; they confess in order to "expiate guilt over previous transgressions through self punishment," according to a 1985 study by Kassin. And some people, god help them, just want to be famous. But the most dangerous false confessions are those that bear a stamp of legitimacy; those that start in the hands of a police department and are handed to a state prosecutor in the name of justice.
Once upon a time there were strong legal safeguards against false confessions. Coming off of early 1900s lynch law, when black suspects were routinely beaten into confessing to crimes they didn't commit, the Supreme Court ruled in 1936 that evidence obtained through abuse and torture was inadmissible in a court of law. Subsequent cases would rule that suspects could not be interrogated for days on end (Chambers v. Florida) and that confessions that appeared to have been obtained through a violation of a defendant's right to due process should be investigated (Haynes v. Washington). According to Richard Conti, "for several years, a coerced confession that led to a conviction resulted in an automatic reversal of the conviction."
Then came Arizona v. Fulminante in 1991. The automatic reversals were overturned by the Supreme Court. A coerced confession was now protected by the "harmless error rule," so long as there was enough additional proof to uphold the conviction.
But by the time a confession is submitted as evidence, the prosecution's work is as good as done. In the case of Jeffrey Deskovic, who was exonerated last year in New York after serving more than 16 years in prison for the rape and murder of a classmate, there was no physical evidence linking him to the crime, no match between him and the forensic evidence found at the scene. Sixteen years old, denied food, and interrogated for hours on end, Deskovic capitulated to the police and confessed. In court, he says, "the confession trumped the DNA and the hair."
Deskovic says he never came close to believing he committed the crime, even after being told he had failed a polygraph test. (At trial, says Deskovic, the polygraphist's testimony would reveal the official name of his technique for the police: "GTC" or "Get the Confession.") But in the interrogation room, "I wasn't thinking about the long-term implications. All I was thinking about was right there and then, how can I get out of here unharmed."
At seven and a half hours, Deskovic's interrogation could have lasted much longer. "The average police interrogation lasts an hour or two," according to Kassin. Compare that to the average length of an interrogation that leads to a false confession: 16 and a half hours. "Clearly time is a marker for a problem."
Other countries, in the UK for example, have guidelines capping the length of interrogations, but this kind of reform does not seem close at hand in the U.S. One reform that is making headway, however, is the practice of videotaping interrogations (as opposed to just the confessions alone). Kassin believes the practice could be a veritable "panacea" for false confessions, acting as a safeguard against police manipulation and, in court, "making better fact-finders out of the jury." And while police departments have resisted the reform, some who have implemented it have spoken favorably of it. Among the states that now videotape interrogations are Alaska, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Wisconsin and Washington D.C.
It may be early to determine what kind of a difference videotaped interrogations are making, although problems are not hard to imagine. (Who is to stop a police detective from simply turning off the camera?) Regardless, police interrogators still retain an enormous degree of power when it comes to manipulating suspects.
Matthew Johnson teaches a course titled The Psychology of Interrogations and Confessions at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "Sometimes the interrogators imply that if [a suspect] makes the incriminating statement, they will receive some sort of favor," he says. "They can go home, or make a phone call." Even if the suspect is well aware of his innocence, "they believe if they cooperate with the police then they'll be able to go home." In Deskovic's case, "They gave me an out. And, being young, I took it."
This, in Kassin's view, is what it came down to for the Central Park Five. "To me, the Central Park Jogger case and the false confessions is really a story about interrogation," he says. "I don't believe that any of them ever internalized their own guilt. They believed they were going to go home."
After all, as Deskovic says, after hours of interrogation with no end in sight, "asserting your innocence becomes futile."
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Oct 2, 2007 3:28 AM
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Many false confessions obtained in the Reich can be attributed
to the following unfolding scenario which is by no means
restricted to Chicago.
Chi
It's funny...'negroid filth' -NOT Black- (Omar)...in some putrescent nefarious way allied with arrogant intransigent white vermin fascist-and almost certainly racist-'prosecutors', who won't admit that they obtained unjust wrongful convictions. BOTH MFs belong in hell...
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Posted by: COinms on Oct 2, 2007 4:02 AM
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Why did my friend sign it? He has always trusted authority. He had grave misgivings but was tired and thougth the police were always on the side of right... oh yes, and they never told him he was a suspect till they arrested him.
So a law abiding, tax paying citizen now sits in prison for 6 years, his retired parents had to mortgage their house to get his bail, the judge gave the bulk of the 30,000.00 to the wife, and the little girl still has genital herpes, and my friend still does not. The police bullied and scared him, saying that if he took it court, they'd pursue the death penalty. Hmmmm... six years or death: you decide.
This was in the small town of Braidwood Illinois, and the police there are as crooked as a dogs leg. It was an election year, and the same tactics were tried in the Riley Fox case, which happened only about 5 miles away, in Wilmington.
It's easy to be 'tough' on crime when a child is involved; the problem is that the police were corrupt, the legal system doesn't care who is innocent, as long as politicians can be seen as tough on crime, and if the defendant has money, he can pretty much get off scott free.
My friend shouldn't have signed; it was the only thing they had to convict him. The little girls 'interview' was so patently scripted and prompted that it was a joke.
From my experience, most cops are worse than the people out on the street. Petty bullies who now have power and a badge and a gun. I live in Mississippi and see the 'law and order' christian types all the time, and most of them are walking around like banty roosters, all puffed up with self importance, when if they didn't have that job, would be lucky to be working at McDonalds.
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Posted by: colinmeister on Oct 2, 2007 5:26 AM
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The public should be made aware that the police use these tactics, and therefore should excersise the Miranda right to remain silent, unless they have a lawyer present. Of course, the genuinely innocent are more likely not to excersise their right to remain silent, since they wrongly believe that since they have done nothing wrong, they have no reason not to talk to the police.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Oct 2, 2007 5:57 AM
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It is a regular practice and constitutes "prosecutorial abuse" and a perversion of our Justice system such as it is..QED..!
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Posted by: chomsky on Oct 2, 2007 6:40 AM
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As time runs out and pressure mounts, anyone will do...
It's like sweeping the dust under the carpet; it's convenient.
And let's talk about the guilty plea...
Either you plead innocent, and you risk 20+ years.
Or you plead guilty, and will only get 5 years.
So, even if innocent, it's less risky to plead guilty!
I am sure it is very convenient to speedup trials.
That's a parody of justice!
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Posted by: Thucy on Oct 2, 2007 7:17 AM
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His book "Unequal Justice" goes into a good deal of detail on a number of such cases, and anyone working in this field, or in criminal justice in general, should be aware of Perske's work.
Excellent article. Thanks Alternet for posting this.
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Posted by: frank69 on Oct 2, 2007 7:47 AM
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We have, and always have had, an adversarial system.
There's crime, and then there's heinous crime.
If you have lots of money, you never get the death penalty, and often get no jail time.
If you're poor, on the other hand, you will go to jail, and may well suffer the death penalty.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Oct 2, 2007 9:20 AM
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Don't trust the police. It is as simple as that. They are not on your side.. they are on THEIR side. Its not about where they stand and where you stand.. its all about where they THINK you stand or want to think you stand.
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Posted by: MAD on Oct 2, 2007 10:57 AM
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Although I have never given a false confession, I have been coerced NUMEROUS times and beaten in interrogation rooms a la Vic Mackey. Now I just laugh in their faces and tell them to "fuck off" and "send in my attorney, pig". For people who don't know how it works, here's a starter kit:
1. They arrest you in the most humiliating, degrading and violent manner possible. That means getting in cheap shots like a few cracks upside the head, knees in the back and demeaning verbal abuse (often racial in nature), even if you surrender peacefully as I did. This is called "setting the tempo".
2. Next, they chat you up in the squad car as if they're now the most benign force in the universe (that just happened to kick you in the ribs minutes earlier). These stupid pieces of shit are the least sophisticated, most uneducated short yellow bus MF'ers you'll ever come across in your lives but that doesn't stop them from trying to *rolls eyes* outwit you and solicit some confession before they even book you down at the station.
3. What follows is a series of "wrinkles in time" wherein you simply disappear from sight for minutes or even hours at a time. By leaving you in limbo, they try to keep you guessing as to your actual status. Many actually crack at this point but I find the majority of people lose it right from the start. Getting cuffed and stuffed is traumatic shit for people who've never been down that road. I've seen hulking men break down and sob when the cuffs go on. Those who do break, generally speaking, are people who have made a mistake but lead otherwise normal lives - they just want it to be over. In order to end the sadistic cycle, many will give it up, no matter what "it" is.
4. If you don't crack, they'll simply throw you into a holding cell along with some hard, institutionalized MF'ers who will scare the shit out of 99% of human beings. For instance, I was told there was no room in a private cell so I would be bunking next to a man from Hawaii. No problem I thought. We'll talk about surfing. It turned out the guy was 6'6", 265 lbs of rippling, tatted muscle who admitted that he had just beaten and stabbed his (2) brothers-in-law to death a few days earlier, and I quote, had "nothing to lose at this point". After two nights of no sleep, I cracked and copped a plea. Strangely, others were coming in and getting cells to themselves.
5. Eventually, you get your day with the DA. He's is also a lying, scandalous piece of human filth who wants nothing more than to get your confession so as to avoid trial, assigning an expensive public defender or just doing any legal work of any kind. He lies his ass off and says things like "we'll go easier on you if you just fess up". He swears up and down that you'll only get community service and a few fines. He then encourages you to sign immediately as the deal is about to be taken off the table. You are not allowed to read the entire "deal" which is actually no deal at all but a confession admitting to the original charge. You may ask for an attorney, but strangely, the Public Defender is NEVER available or "it may be days before you can speak with him". He also threatens to delay your arraignment where bail is set, and before this became Weimar America, you could no longer be held provided you met bail. They can delay this process almost indefinitely.
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Posted by: Lector on Oct 2, 2007 11:41 PM
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 3, 2007 12:20 AM
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They are politicians and bureaucrats. If you work for a government, you probably
don't realize that you are a bureaucrat. Most bureaucrats resist mightily the
appellation. The game in any bureaucracy is to "get this piece of paper off of my
desk and make sure it doesn't come back." It doesn't matter how you get this
piece of paper off of your desk, just so it doesn't come back.
The police are bureaucrats. Therefore, the police, like all bureaucrats, take the
easiest route to getting this piece of paper off of their desks. The prime suspects
are people who are already depressed, like family members of the victim. It is
easier to break somebody who is already broken.
The only solution I see is to do it like civilized countries do. Make confessions of
ANY type inadmissible. This should be added to the Bill of Rights. A
Constitutional Amendment is called for.
The entire legal system needs to be discarded and replaced with something
completely different. Our legal system is twice obsolete. Juries are left over
from the agrarian age. The system was obsolete in the industrial age. We are
now in the information age. Our legal system was once the newest but is now one
of the most obsolete. Adding computers to lawyers' desks no more updates the
system than adding a computer to a sailboat turns it into a spacecraft.
For crimes like running a red light, the city should be required to mount movie
cameras on the traffic lights. The camera can reliably show, frame by frame,
exactly when the light turned. Davenport, Iowa tried to do this for speeding, and
was shot down by people who wanted to be stopped by a cop! Or so they said.
Digital cameras are very small, getting cheaper, and are incorporated into cell
phones. Suppose cameras were incorporated into clothes or suppose that human
memory could be read out after death. Then any crime would be recorded from
the point of view of the victim. With cell phones, we seem to be headed toward
becoming the "Borg" as on Star Trek. All we have to do is implant the cell
phones in our heads. [We are the Americans. You will be Assimilated.
Resistance is futile.] If you had your cell phone implanted, could you transmit
your vision of your killer to the police?
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Posted by: TIME on Oct 3, 2007 5:05 AM
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I read your article "What Makes Criminal Suspects Give a False Confession?" which was recently featured on Alternet.org.
The article addressed a very important issue that is at the center of a number of wrongful convictions. Hopefully your writing motivates its readers to help combat this injustice and produce meaningful change in the system.
I know firsthand the value of educating society about the perils of allowing police to abuse their authority. During the same that the Central Park Jogger Case took place another Latino youth, a 15-year-old honor student named Efren Paredes, Jr., was going through court hearings in St. Joseph, Michigan for a crime he did not commit.
While Efren is innocent of the crime and gave no confession in the case, the Central Park Jogger case had ripple effects in courtrooms across the nation. Many Latino youth on trial during that time often received inordinate sentences, were charged as adults, while judges, prosecutors and police abused their powers.
Efren was sentenced to three life sentences for a crime he did not commit, while the guilty parties entered guilty pleas and received reduced sentences in exchange for their admissions of guilt. The individuals who plead guilty have since been released while Efren remains locked away.
I encourage you and others to circulate information about Efren's case and help us get justice for him. You can learn more by visiting www.4Efren.com and by reading the information below about what people can do to assist him.
Sincerely,
Saul Garza
The Injustice Must End (TIME)
Committee to Free Efren Paredes, Jr.
You can copy and paste the following into your web browser to follow the links:
Electronic Petition for Justice: www.petitionspot.com/petitions/4Efren
Web Site: www.4Efren.com
MySpace: www.Myspace.com/4Efren
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Posted by: GPFrank on Oct 3, 2007 9:14 PM
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of lashes hung near the principal's door.
The teacher was a Ms. Cosgrove about whom my mother
even had made a comment, "Her mouth is a straight line" I was sitting at my desk and it was near closing time. Ms. Cosgrove suddenly called out in a loud voice, "Who threw that!" "Who threw that spitball! "Class will stay here until I find out who threw that spitball". She went on "I saw who threw "that but nobody leaves until he speaks up."
Then she pointed at me. "I saw you do it." 'The rest of the class leaves but you stay until you say you did it." "You are not going home until you confess."
I said," I didn't even see the spitball."
"You lie and I am going to tell your mother you lie"
I said, "My mother is going to worry about me not coming home>"
(My mother was strict about me coming home after leaving school while I could go out afterwards.)
"Then, just say you threw that spitball and you can go
home."
This kept on about half an hour. I began to hem and haw,
with, "Maybe you saw it pass by me and thought I was looking."
I finally confessed, saying "I did it" . Ms. Cosgrove won.
But I was ashamed of giving in for years afterwards. I felt it was wrong to confess to something someone else did. Even though I tried to rationalize that I could have thought it was actually funny.
But remember the 1935 purge trials In Stalin's Russia? How could minds be so twisted to confess to such complete nonsense?
There is something dog-like in human psychology yet to be understood.
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Oct 2, 2007 3:28 AM
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Many false confessions obtained in the Reich can be attributed
to the following unfolding scenario which is by no means
restricted to Chicago.
Chi
It's funny...'negroid filth' -NOT Black- (Omar)...in some putrescent nefarious way allied with arrogant intransigent white vermin fascist-and almost certainly racist-'prosecutors', who won't admit that they obtained unjust wrongful convictions. BOTH MFs belong in hell...
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Posted by: COinms on Oct 2, 2007 4:02 AM
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Why did my friend sign it? He has always trusted authority. He had grave misgivings but was tired and thougth the police were always on the side of right... oh yes, and they never told him he was a suspect till they arrested him.
So a law abiding, tax paying citizen now sits in prison for 6 years, his retired parents had to mortgage their house to get his bail, the judge gave the bulk of the 30,000.00 to the wife, and the little girl still has genital herpes, and my friend still does not. The police bullied and scared him, saying that if he took it court, they'd pursue the death penalty. Hmmmm... six years or death: you decide.
This was in the small town of Braidwood Illinois, and the police there are as crooked as a dogs leg. It was an election year, and the same tactics were tried in the Riley Fox case, which happened only about 5 miles away, in Wilmington.
It's easy to be 'tough' on crime when a child is involved; the problem is that the police were corrupt, the legal system doesn't care who is innocent, as long as politicians can be seen as tough on crime, and if the defendant has money, he can pretty much get off scott free.
My friend shouldn't have signed; it was the only thing they had to convict him. The little girls 'interview' was so patently scripted and prompted that it was a joke.
From my experience, most cops are worse than the people out on the street. Petty bullies who now have power and a badge and a gun. I live in Mississippi and see the 'law and order' christian types all the time, and most of them are walking around like banty roosters, all puffed up with self importance, when if they didn't have that job, would be lucky to be working at McDonalds.
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The public should be made aware that the police use these tactics, and therefore should excersise the Miranda right to remain silent, unless they have a lawyer present. Of course, the genuinely innocent are more likely not to excersise their right to remain silent, since they wrongly believe that since they have done nothing wrong, they have no reason not to talk to the police.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Oct 2, 2007 5:57 AM
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It is a regular practice and constitutes "prosecutorial abuse" and a perversion of our Justice system such as it is..QED..!
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Posted by: chomsky on Oct 2, 2007 6:40 AM
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As time runs out and pressure mounts, anyone will do...
It's like sweeping the dust under the carpet; it's convenient.
And let's talk about the guilty plea...
Either you plead innocent, and you risk 20+ years.
Or you plead guilty, and will only get 5 years.
So, even if innocent, it's less risky to plead guilty!
I am sure it is very convenient to speedup trials.
That's a parody of justice!
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Posted by: Thucy on Oct 2, 2007 7:17 AM
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His book "Unequal Justice" goes into a good deal of detail on a number of such cases, and anyone working in this field, or in criminal justice in general, should be aware of Perske's work.
Excellent article. Thanks Alternet for posting this.
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We have, and always have had, an adversarial system.
There's crime, and then there's heinous crime.
If you have lots of money, you never get the death penalty, and often get no jail time.
If you're poor, on the other hand, you will go to jail, and may well suffer the death penalty.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Oct 2, 2007 9:20 AM
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Don't trust the police. It is as simple as that. They are not on your side.. they are on THEIR side. Its not about where they stand and where you stand.. its all about where they THINK you stand or want to think you stand.
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Posted by: MAD on Oct 2, 2007 10:57 AM
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Although I have never given a false confession, I have been coerced NUMEROUS times and beaten in interrogation rooms a la Vic Mackey. Now I just laugh in their faces and tell them to "fuck off" and "send in my attorney, pig". For people who don't know how it works, here's a starter kit:
1. They arrest you in the most humiliating, degrading and violent manner possible. That means getting in cheap shots like a few cracks upside the head, knees in the back and demeaning verbal abuse (often racial in nature), even if you surrender peacefully as I did. This is called "setting the tempo".
2. Next, they chat you up in the squad car as if they're now the most benign force in the universe (that just happened to kick you in the ribs minutes earlier). These stupid pieces of shit are the least sophisticated, most uneducated short yellow bus MF'ers you'll ever come across in your lives but that doesn't stop them from trying to *rolls eyes* outwit you and solicit some confession before they even book you down at the station.
3. What follows is a series of "wrinkles in time" wherein you simply disappear from sight for minutes or even hours at a time. By leaving you in limbo, they try to keep you guessing as to your actual status. Many actually crack at this point but I find the majority of people lose it right from the start. Getting cuffed and stuffed is traumatic shit for people who've never been down that road. I've seen hulking men break down and sob when the cuffs go on. Those who do break, generally speaking, are people who have made a mistake but lead otherwise normal lives - they just want it to be over. In order to end the sadistic cycle, many will give it up, no matter what "it" is.
4. If you don't crack, they'll simply throw you into a holding cell along with some hard, institutionalized MF'ers who will scare the shit out of 99% of human beings. For instance, I was told there was no room in a private cell so I would be bunking next to a man from Hawaii. No problem I thought. We'll talk about surfing. It turned out the guy was 6'6", 265 lbs of rippling, tatted muscle who admitted that he had just beaten and stabbed his (2) brothers-in-law to death a few days earlier, and I quote, had "nothing to lose at this point". After two nights of no sleep, I cracked and copped a plea. Strangely, others were coming in and getting cells to themselves.
5. Eventually, you get your day with the DA. He's is also a lying, scandalous piece of human filth who wants nothing more than to get your confession so as to avoid trial, assigning an expensive public defender or just doing any legal work of any kind. He lies his ass off and says things like "we'll go easier on you if you just fess up". He swears up and down that you'll only get community service and a few fines. He then encourages you to sign immediately as the deal is about to be taken off the table. You are not allowed to read the entire "deal" which is actually no deal at all but a confession admitting to the original charge. You may ask for an attorney, but strangely, the Public Defender is NEVER available or "it may be days before you can speak with him". He also threatens to delay your arraignment where bail is set, and before this became Weimar America, you could no longer be held provided you met bail. They can delay this process almost indefinitely.
Continued!!
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 3, 2007 12:20 AM
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They are politicians and bureaucrats. If you work for a government, you probably
don't realize that you are a bureaucrat. Most bureaucrats resist mightily the
appellation. The game in any bureaucracy is to "get this piece of paper off of my
desk and make sure it doesn't come back." It doesn't matter how you get this
piece of paper off of your desk, just so it doesn't come back.
The police are bureaucrats. Therefore, the police, like all bureaucrats, take the
easiest route to getting this piece of paper off of their desks. The prime suspects
are people who are already depressed, like family members of the victim. It is
easier to break somebody who is already broken.
The only solution I see is to do it like civilized countries do. Make confessions of
ANY type inadmissible. This should be added to the Bill of Rights. A
Constitutional Amendment is called for.
The entire legal system needs to be discarded and replaced with something
completely different. Our legal system is twice obsolete. Juries are left over
from the agrarian age. The system was obsolete in the industrial age. We are
now in the information age. Our legal system was once the newest but is now one
of the most obsolete. Adding computers to lawyers' desks no more updates the
system than adding a computer to a sailboat turns it into a spacecraft.
For crimes like running a red light, the city should be required to mount movie
cameras on the traffic lights. The camera can reliably show, frame by frame,
exactly when the light turned. Davenport, Iowa tried to do this for speeding, and
was shot down by people who wanted to be stopped by a cop! Or so they said.
Digital cameras are very small, getting cheaper, and are incorporated into cell
phones. Suppose cameras were incorporated into clothes or suppose that human
memory could be read out after death. Then any crime would be recorded from
the point of view of the victim. With cell phones, we seem to be headed toward
becoming the "Borg" as on Star Trek. All we have to do is implant the cell
phones in our heads. [We are the Americans. You will be Assimilated.
Resistance is futile.] If you had your cell phone implanted, could you transmit
your vision of your killer to the police?
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Posted by: TIME on Oct 3, 2007 5:05 AM
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I read your article "What Makes Criminal Suspects Give a False Confession?" which was recently featured on Alternet.org.
The article addressed a very important issue that is at the center of a number of wrongful convictions. Hopefully your writing motivates its readers to help combat this injustice and produce meaningful change in the system.
I know firsthand the value of educating society about the perils of allowing police to abuse their authority. During the same that the Central Park Jogger Case took place another Latino youth, a 15-year-old honor student named Efren Paredes, Jr., was going through court hearings in St. Joseph, Michigan for a crime he did not commit.
While Efren is innocent of the crime and gave no confession in the case, the Central Park Jogger case had ripple effects in courtrooms across the nation. Many Latino youth on trial during that time often received inordinate sentences, were charged as adults, while judges, prosecutors and police abused their powers.
Efren was sentenced to three life sentences for a crime he did not commit, while the guilty parties entered guilty pleas and received reduced sentences in exchange for their admissions of guilt. The individuals who plead guilty have since been released while Efren remains locked away.
I encourage you and others to circulate information about Efren's case and help us get justice for him. You can learn more by visiting www.4Efren.com and by reading the information below about what people can do to assist him.
Sincerely,
Saul Garza
The Injustice Must End (TIME)
Committee to Free Efren Paredes, Jr.
You can copy and paste the following into your web browser to follow the links:
Electronic Petition for Justice: www.petitionspot.com/petitions/4Efren
Web Site: www.4Efren.com
MySpace: www.Myspace.com/4Efren
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Posted by: GPFrank on Oct 3, 2007 9:14 PM
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of lashes hung near the principal's door.
The teacher was a Ms. Cosgrove about whom my mother
even had made a comment, "Her mouth is a straight line" I was sitting at my desk and it was near closing time. Ms. Cosgrove suddenly called out in a loud voice, "Who threw that!" "Who threw that spitball! "Class will stay here until I find out who threw that spitball". She went on "I saw who threw "that but nobody leaves until he speaks up."
Then she pointed at me. "I saw you do it." 'The rest of the class leaves but you stay until you say you did it." "You are not going home until you confess."
I said," I didn't even see the spitball."
"You lie and I am going to tell your mother you lie"
I said, "My mother is going to worry about me not coming home>"
(My mother was strict about me coming home after leaving school while I could go out afterwards.)
"Then, just say you threw that spitball and you can go
home."
This kept on about half an hour. I began to hem and haw,
with, "Maybe you saw it pass by me and thought I was looking."
I finally confessed, saying "I did it" . Ms. Cosgrove won.
But I was ashamed of giving in for years afterwards. I felt it was wrong to confess to something someone else did. Even though I tried to rationalize that I could have thought it was actually funny.
But remember the 1935 purge trials In Stalin's Russia? How could minds be so twisted to confess to such complete nonsense?
There is something dog-like in human psychology yet to be understood.
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