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Rights and Liberties

New York City's Explosion in Police Repression and Surveillance Is a Threat to Us All

By Nick Turse, Tomdispatch.com. Posted October 1, 2007.


High-tech surveillance and undercover spying on protests by the NYPD have soared -- this is what happens when the "War on Terror" comes home.
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One day in August, I walked into the Daniel Patrick Moynihan United States Courthouse in lower Manhattan. Nearly three years before I had been locked up, about two blocks away, in "the Tombs" -- the infamous jail then named the Bernard B. Kerik Complex for the now-disgraced New York City Police Commissioner. You see, I am one of the demonstrators who was illegally arrested by the New York City Police Department (NYPD) during the protests against the 2004 Republican National Convention (RNC). My crime had been -- in an effort to call attention to the human toll of America's wars -- to ride the subway, dressed in black with the pallor of death about me (thanks to cornstarch and cold cream), and an expression to match, sporting a placard around my neck that read: WAR DEAD.

I was with a small group and our plan was to travel from Union Square to Harlem, change trains, and ride all the way back down to Astor Place. But when my small group exited the train at the 125th Street station in Harlem, we were arrested by a swarm of police, marched to a waiting paddy wagon and driven to a filthy detention center. There, we were locked away for hours in a series of razor-wire-topped pens, before being bussed to the Tombs.

Now, I was back to resolve the matter of my illegal arrest. As I walked through the metal detector of the Federal building, a security official searched my bag. He didn't like what he found. "You could be shot for carrying that in here," he told me. "You could be shot."

For the moment, however, the identification of that dangerous object I attempted to slip into the federal facility will have to wait. Let me instead back up to July 2004, when, with the RNC fast-approaching, I authored an article on the militarization of Manhattan -- "the transformation of the island into a 'homeland-security state'" -- and followed it up that September with a street-level recap of the convention protests, including news of the deployment of an experimental sound weapon, the Long Range Acoustic Device, by the NYPD, and the department's use of an on-loan Fuji blimp as a "spy-in-the-sky." Back then, I suggested that the RNC gave New York's "finest," a perfect opportunity to "refine, perfect, and implement new tactics (someday, perhaps, to be known as the 'New York model') for use penning in or squelching dissent. It offered them the chance to write up a playbook on how citizens' legal rights and civil liberties may be abridged, constrained, and violated at their discretion."

Little did I know how much worse it could get.

No Escape

Since then, the city's security forces have eagerly embraced an Escape From New York-aesthetic -- an urge to turn Manhattan into a walled-in fortress island under high-tech government surveillance, guarded by heavily armed security forces, with helicopters perpetually overhead. Beginning in Harlem in 2006, near the site of two new luxury condos, the NYPD set up a moveable "two-story booth tower, called Sky Watch," that gave an "officer sitting inside a better vantage point from which to monitor the area." The Panopticon-like structure -- originally used by hunters to shoot quarry from overhead and now also utilized by the Department of Homeland Security along the Mexican border -- was outfitted with black-tinted windows, a spotlight, sensors, and four to five cameras. Now, five Sky Watch towers are in service, rotating in and out of various neighborhoods.

With their 20-25 neighborhood-scanning cameras, the towers are only a tiny fraction of the Big Apple surveillance story. Back in 1998, the New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) found that there were "2,397 cameras used by a wide variety of private businesses and government agencies throughout Manhattan" -- and that was just one borough. About a year after the RNC, the group reported that a survey of just a quarter of that borough yielded a count of more than 4,000 surveillance cameras of every kind. At about the same time, military-corporate giant Lockheed Martin was awarded a $212 million contract to build a "counter-terrorist surveillance and security system for New York's subways and commuter railroads as well as bridges and tunnels" that would increase the camera total by more than 1,000. A year later, as seems to regularly be the case with contracts involving the military-corporate complex, that contract had already ballooned to $280 million, although the system was not to be operational until at least 2008.


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Nick Turse is the associate editor and research director of Tomdispatch.com. His first book, The Complex, an exploration of the new military-corporate complex in America, is due out in the American Empire Project series by Metropolitan Books in 2008. His new website NickTurse.com (up only in rudimentary form) will fully launch in the coming months.

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Claim Your American Heritage
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 1, 2007 1:08 AM   
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Ultimate Indisputeable Facts-

1-Your civil rights were not granted to you by any government.
They are intrinsic to your humanity-period. Government is to be the guarantor of them and the arbiter when the rights of one overlap those of another. They were not the government's to give and they have no right or authority to take them away.

2- Law enforcement must be law-abiding and respectful of citizens.
Show me a cop that does not respect the rights of a citizen and I will show you a cop unworthy of their badge. They are unfit to serve and should be discharged-period.

3- America is a free speech zone.
If a politician will not stand upon this simple principle they are unworthy of your vote. Unless the protest or speech presents a serious threat to public safety or danger of imminent harm to a particular individual the police have no standing.

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» As bad as BURMA Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: As bad as BURMA Posted by: christastropher
Welcome to the brave new world
Posted by: vox persona on Oct 1, 2007 1:19 AM   
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It ain't the 20th century anymore, baby. Children are now born into a society where they are tracked and traced from cradle to grave. Security cameras, supercomputers, biometrics, data mining, GPS tracking; they tell us it's for security and convenience. They place chips in animals, and are already putting chips in humans for security clearance reasons and pilot programs for transaction purposes. It's here. Our grandchildren will be born into a world where they will be debating whether to implant chips at birth, which can hold medical information, etc. It's coming, right now it's only in its embryonic stage. Don't you think a government would salivate at the prospect of that kind of surveillance? It sends chills up my spine.

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» RE: Welcome to the brave new world Posted by: christastropher
» Good point Posted by: vox persona
Some monks...
Posted by: chomsky on Oct 1, 2007 2:18 AM   
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I have heard recently of some monks having the courage to fight for their freedom...

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» It ain't over until.... Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: It ain't over until.... Posted by: Krain61
But what are the reasons for all of this?
Posted by: Frankstank on Oct 1, 2007 3:18 AM   
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Is it maybe because we also accept the principle of open borders and free trade in an age of war? You can't have that without some mechanism to preserve safety and human life. The alternative, to have water-tight border controls and limits on free trade and travel, would reduce the risk at the border and take away the need for these measures within the state.

I think in many ways this is being driven by different forces than those conspiracy advocates tell us.

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Why?
Posted by: willymack on Oct 1, 2007 3:56 AM   
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All the busybodies, all the cameras, all the "police" only too glad to ignore our Constitutional guarentees? My take on this is that it began innocently enough with an attempt by Big Buisness to get the government to relax laws against pollution, price gouging, monopolies, etc. The fact that our government officials could be bought off so easily encouraged the cascading events we see unfolding before our horrified eyes. Those who become drunk on obscene wealth and power are a sick lot-a fact still unfortunately unrecognized by a large segment of our people-and will NEVER be satisfied with what they've got as they'll always want MORE. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Power.

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» Busybodies, snoops, spies Posted by: Cathyc
» Government is Stalking us Posted by: Krain61
» RE: Why? Posted by: donneek
The Repression is so terrible
Posted by: Nugeman on Oct 1, 2007 5:50 AM   
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We should all move to Cuba. Either that or to Venezuela. Those two countries are such paradise. Afterall living under a communist dictator has to be better than what we put up with here. And yes Chavez is a dictator for he will never lose an election again in his lifetime, just as Castro has done.
Putting up with those who monitor my phone calls from my mother asking me to pickup a gallon of Milk. I can't take it anymore. Let's all move, the sooner the better.

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» RE: The Repression is so terrible Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» So, Nuge.... I'd like to know... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Yeah, I'd like to know, too. Posted by: Coleman
» RE: The Repression is so terrible Posted by: John Annis
» I, for one... Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
» I also notice... Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
Love it or leave it
Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 1, 2007 5:54 AM   
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So, who's ready to abandon this banana republic? There's no reason to remain. Those who do can hardly be surprised when they find themselves imprisoned in a police state with no rights. It's not like you weren't warned.

After over fifty years as an American, and after who knows how many pledges of allegiance and national anthems, the last many years of deceitful betrayal by America have cured me of any residual sense of debt, ownership or belonging to the country of my birth.

Sorry, but anybody who loves this sorry excuse for a nation and thinks that it loves them back is due for a major disappointment and will likely be disappointed and betrayed by it. Do you have anyone in Iraq? Did you attempt to express dissent and get threatened?

Love and respect are earned. So are fear and contempt.

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» RE: Love it or leave it Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Love it or leave it Posted by: Krain61
otto
Posted by: otto on Oct 1, 2007 6:19 AM   
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I'm amazed at how much information the CIA has had on us for years. Back in Detroit in the 80's a friend from Canada came to join me in a demonstration infront of the federal bldg., protesting U.S. policies in Nicaragua and the recent killing of priests and women in El Salvador. There were people taking pictures all over the place. The next time my friend came across the border, she was stopped, sent in and warned that she had better be careful about coming to protests. Talk about Big Brother watching! I guess it's even spreading to local police departments now!

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Because...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Oct 1, 2007 6:22 AM   
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.. as we all know.. it was war protesters, bicyclists, and journalists who killed over 2000 people in New York... not zealots bent on establishing repressive government with myriad laws dealing with even the most innocuous behavior paired with no actual rule of law to begin with.

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Hiddenone
Posted by: borsch on Oct 1, 2007 6:51 AM   
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Why is everyone suddenly surprised that we are now living under a "Police State" mentality and government? This has been coming in bits and pieces for the last 200 years.
We have been fed "Garbage" from the media on a daily basis, purported to be true and we have swallowed it. The mass media is now being gobbled up by a "FEW" media giants and we are being "Force" fed the garbage now. Our Federal government is soooo large now that is is like an "Out of control forest fire" creating it's own fuel and soooo large that no one can control it, let alone govern it!! Our country, the USA as a "FREE Rebublic" has almost vanished, and we have allowed it to happen under our very noses by voting for anyone , or any government project which will "Give us Something for Nothing"
I fear for my grandchildrens future, this "War on Terror" as disturbing as it is has created the end of our freedoms thru the "Patriot Act"and we as a people thru our bumbling self serving congress have allowed it to happen. We are now controlled by militaristic global corporations who NEED a war all the time to expand their ownership of what used to be "The United States of America".
GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!!

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Surprise - you're on Candid camera - $75 please!
Posted by: rocketman on Oct 1, 2007 6:52 AM   
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Being a New Yorker and living through various bombings dating back to the 1970's (FALN etc..) I welcome all the security we can afford in this city.

NY has always been a target.. If you live and work in the city you appreciate increased security.. The last thing you want is to worry about going into the subway or through one of the tunnels and not having it secured!

I'm all for hands off government especially in reading my mail but at times measures must be taken.. and most New Yorkers agree with that!

I 'm more upset at the traffic cameras hidden that record your license plate number as you run a yellow light - and you get a surprise traffic ticket in the mail!

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» What I don't get about you.... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Try "I" Posted by: Joshua Holland
» I have mixed feeling myself Posted by: Gravitas
kudos for nick
Posted by: jefhadist on Oct 1, 2007 6:53 AM   
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congrats on your case, the new book and your website. keep up the good work!

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» Emigration is OK. Posted by: LMNOP
SOMETIMES SEEMS LIKE AN EXPENSIVE HOBBY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 1, 2007 7:06 AM   
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Does the cost of surveillance, collecting and storing all this data pass any kind of cost analysis test? Is it worth it? Or perhaps the whole system should be re- designed to include what's necessary, not just gather info because it's interesting or 'you never know'. I can't help but wonder what really works. Incidents have been prevented and sometimes the right people are caught. But the cost of setting up the operation prior to the RNC must have been exhorbitant and wasn't necessary. It's still costing$$$. Thanks, ANNA

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I'm glad
Posted by: diarmaid on Oct 1, 2007 7:14 AM   
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Yes, I'm glad that people in the States have finally come to realize that there is no place on earth where you feel 100% safe. Europe is fine, Africa is dead long ago (thanks to you know who), Asia is another story, Middle East is 2000 years of suffering due to stupid religions, South America never had a future since Spanish came on board. Well, as for the North America, USA was safe, not because USA never had a war but because their wars were off-shore. Young people got killed in bloody wars thousands of miles away, and back home in the States people were sleeping safe in their beds because their neighbour was safricing their son in the war.

On 9/11 everything changed a little bit. Still it's war, but war on terror this time, that's what we've been told since 2001. In the States, surveillance techniques were improved, at the borders we were forced to give our fingerprint to the officials. Out in the streets, cameras everywhere, recording every step we make.

Well at first, you may go ahead and think like, "I'm not doing anything wrong so how bad could it be. Bad guys should worry about the cameras and all"

Even though you are not a bad guy, there are many drawbacks. First, there is privacy. Then, you may be mistaken for a bad guy by a sleepy police officer. You may be taken into custody because years ago you were passing by some protestors. And on top of all, the feeling that you are being watched, will help us to be more paranoid about everything. Now they have cameras on the streets, satellites up in the skies watching streets and people, 10 years from now they will be able to watch all of us in our apartments, our conversations in the park too.

Still, you may think that you're fine with all these since you are not a bad guy. But when your friend was taken into custody because he did nothing wrong but was thought he did, you will start thinking differently. When you will realize that someone is watching you wherever you go, listening every word you say, figuring out your relationships with your friends, taking notes about from what time you go to bed to what you do on friday nights, you will think different.

Or, you will still say ok i'm fine and die happily in your sleep when someone was watching you die.

There is no safe place on this planet and Americans started feelinng that they fear the most because everybody hates them. I'd suggest those to visit Latin America or Middle East where fear has been their friends for hundreds of years.

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» RE: I'm glad Posted by: rhbee
» No safe place on earth... Posted by: Cathyc
Unsubscribe - from human rights abuse in the 'war on terror'
Posted by: damianrafferty on Oct 1, 2007 7:28 AM   
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Amnesty has launched a campaign for all those as sickened by the disregard for human rights in the war on terror as they are over the terrorist atrocities. www.unsubscribe-me.org

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the terrible actions of the police
Posted by: kungfoofighterx on Oct 1, 2007 7:49 AM   
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It sad to see the police without any accountability. I always wonder who should be called if civil rights are being violated by a police officer.
I like the idea of taking money from the NYPD budget for all of the legal penalties they acquire by acting in illegal manners and turning citizens into victims of their own government. Their budget should also be garnished to pay the prison bills of police officers who have histories of illegal activities and are later put in jail for committing these activities while in uniform.
Cameras are not the problem its the people who have no respect for the citizens right to freedom and privacy that are the problem. They are the real criminals acting in a treasonous manner against the principals and laws of this country. Its unfortunate when the police become their thugs.

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It's a mindset!
Posted by: Jack Cohen on Oct 1, 2007 7:48 AM   
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Nick,

Your sad experience as described in this fascinating article will surely have the appropriate respect and consideration of the higher ups and mugwumps of the City of New York. It is, however, questionable whether there will be any lessons learned from it. A reeducation of massive proportions would have to occur and that requires a Fiorello, not a Bloomberg, a Guiliano or a political hack. It is unfortunately sad.

The times are such that I sincerely believe that Police Departments everywahere in this country will attempt to find legal and moral justification for the torture of prisoners since, after all, this has become acceptable to the Federal Governmant and should be acceptable by local government as well. Ponder that. Consider that at some point in the near future waterboarding will be defended by DA's in our own communities. The mindset that abides and encourages such monstrosities exists within most policemen and is largely suppressed by the fear of public disapproval. Having been a policeman 50 odd years ago I think I can appreciate the context of your cry for justice and I support it. Woe to us all that this phony "war on terrorism" has left us disabled and prey to madmen and vultures.

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» RE: It's a mindset! Posted by: VannaLaRoche
A Good Reminder from Nick
Posted by: Allan Stevo on Oct 1, 2007 8:18 AM   
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Nick,
Thank you for the article. These are the types of truthful accounts of life in America that remind me that a Ron Paul presidency is what is needed. I envision this as one where the President of the United States voluntarily surrenders powers and shrinks the federal government in deference to the constitution and civil liberties. A good day to you, Nick.
Allan

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New York has Bad Company
Posted by: rjgwood on Oct 1, 2007 8:53 AM   
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Since Ronald Reagan was in office, the majority of the citizens of the United States have been asking their government to be more and more repressive, demanding a "get tough on crime stance" and they have been willing to turn a blind eye to injustice in a quest to be safe from the boogy man (read black/brown guy).

As a result, we have created bohemeth correctional institutions and police departments where considerations of civil rights take a back seat to "get 'em" attitudes. We have created systems where Chicago's police can torture over a hundred black men in Guantanamo Style. We have created the system of police corruption that came to light during the trial of Mark Furman: an L.A. Police Department planting evidence and participating in panapoly of abusive and illegal activities. New York has bad company.

And these are just the abuses that have come to light nationally. Regionally, many police departments have rumors of abuse, allegations that go uninvestigated and review boards that have little to no authority.

Add to this incarceration nation attitude the spectre of international terrorism, and you have all the necessary conditions for unofficial Marshall Law.

Who among us would have thought we would have an army of private security forces armed with machine guns patrolling a major American city after a disaster?

Couple these circumstances with the closing of our borders via security fences and the call for passport identification for travel now, haven't we all become prisoners trapped in a cage of our own design?

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» While I agree... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
If they truly want our vote
Posted by: rhbee on Oct 1, 2007 8:57 AM   
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then the candidates for office should be first in line at the next protest. They should be unafraid of the result that such an action might lose them a vote or two. They should be willing to stand up and be counted as someone who supports free speech first and the various wars (on terror, drugs, rock 'n' roll, Iraq, Iran) we apparently feel it necessary to wage second. Until our "leaders" take a stand, none of this will change. And meanwhile, all the bullies will keep flocking to the open opportunity that we have given them.

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history
Posted by: davy on Oct 1, 2007 10:35 AM   
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Doesn't anybody in America read history anymore?

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One Nation Under Surveillance
Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 1, 2007 11:06 AM   
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Even without the "war on terror," the "war on drugs" gives the government a flimsy excuse to suspend our civil liberties. Back in the '90s, in correspondence with my friend Dennis Archer, who was serving time for a marijuana bust, when I told him I had been living under electronic surveillance, his immediate response was: "Did the government have you under surveillance for using drugs?"

In his 1992 book, Visions of Liberty, former Executive Director of the ACLU, Ira Glasser writes:

"The use of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping emerged during the Prohibition era. Roy Olmstead was a suspected bootlegger whom the government wished to search. It placed taps in the basement of his office building and on wires in the streets near his home. No physical entry into his office or home took place. Olmstead was convicted entirely on the basis of evidence from the wiretaps.

"In his appeal to the Supreme Court, Olmstead argued that the taps were a search conducted without a warrant and without probable cause, and that the evidence seized against him should have been excluded because it was illegally gathered. He also argued that his Fifth Amendment right not to be a witness against himself was violated.

"By a 5-4 vote, the Court rejected his arguments and upheld the government's power to wiretap without limit and without any Fourth Amendment restrictions, on the grounds that no actual physical intrusion had taken place.

"Olmstead's Fifth Amendment claim was also dismissed on the grounds that he had not been compelled to talk on the telephone, but had done so voluntarily. Thus the Court upheld the government's power to do by trickery and surreptitious means what it was not permitted to do honestly and openly. It wasn't until 1967, in a similar case involving gambling, that the Court overruled the Olmstead decision by an 8-1 margin and recognized that the Fourth Amendment applied to wiretapping and electronic surveillance.

"Interestingly, these cases arose in the context of crimes like bootlegging and gambling. During the past twenty years, the majority of wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping by both state and federal officials has been in cases involving drug dealing and gambling.

"Serious crimes of violence, such as homicide, assault, rape, robbery, and burglary, are rarely the target of electronic eavesdropping, which is not normally a useful tool in such cases.

"From the beginning, when wiretapping was virtually invented to enforce laws prohibiting the sale of alcohol, to the late 1960s, when gambling was a major target, to the present, when the use and sale of drugs other than alcohol are the main target, these intrusive devices have been used mostly to enforce laws aimed at punishing and proscribing personal conduct that society deems immoral.

"Because such conduct essentially involves private activities among consenting adults who are all likely to want to keep those activities secret, they are harder to investigate and prosecute than crimes like robbery or burglary, in which an unwilling victim will probably aid any investigation...the invasion of privacy inherent in wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping remains with us as part of the legacy of our attempts to criminalize personal conduct.

"The other major use of electronic eavesdropping has been to punish political dissent. For decades, former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover used wiretaps and other electronic devices to spy on political figures and citizens not yet suspected of having committed a crime. He built vast dossiers on their political activities and personal lives. Special units of local police called 'Red Squads' did the same."

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IT IS CLEAR THAT THE USA NEEDS TO RETURN TO
Posted by: SamFox on Oct 1, 2007 11:13 AM   
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original intent Constitutional government. Ron Paul is the only one running who has said this for 20 or so years. His voting record is 100% PRO Constitution.

Ron Paul is gaining so much real grass roots attention in spite of little or no MSM coverage compared to the media darlings like Hillary, Obamma, Fred T, Rudy the cross dresser & other CFR members that you will hear & see the others imitating Ron's platform in another attempt at fooling the public. Bush & Newt said a lot of good things. But what they said was not what they did.
Ron clearly calls, as he has for quite a while now, for a return to Constitutional gov., the return of State's rights & individual liberty & responsibility. I'm for that!!!
Yers fer freedom restored!

SamFox

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New York is just the test case - this is being exported everywhere.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 1, 2007 11:54 AM   
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Go down and ask your local police force about their relationships with the JTTF and any grants that they've gotten from the Department of Homeland Security. Ask the m about their loaning undercover officers to 'Countywide Narcotics Enforcement Teams". Ask them what their guidelines are for the use of undercover police officers, and if they deliberately target political activists.

Great article, by the way. Ordinary citizens need to start investigating what the police forces are up to, and what kind of political alliances they've made with local political officials as well as with their cooperation with federal agencies.

They work for us, not for the corporatocracy. It's time they were reminded of that basic fact.

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Hat Cams
Posted by: dfish on Oct 1, 2007 9:26 PM   
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The London UK. police are in th midst of a pilot program to have small cameras afixed to thier caps.

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You Did It
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Oct 1, 2007 10:46 PM   
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I don't want to rain on this '9/11 changed everything' adaptation to the NYPD but, I doubt that the NYPD has really changed all that much.

It's my opinion that the cops of the post-9/11 world are pretty much the same as the pre-9/11 cops. They just have more toys and more authority to use them, sure, that much has changed, but beyond that they are still the same cops.

I don't think the criterion for recruiting and training cops has changed. They are still the same bullying, racist, corrupt, somewhat educated bunch of freaks they've always been. The only other thing that changed is you. You became more pliable, more scared, more oblivious, more willing to give up freedom for so-called security. You let this happen, nobody else...you.

So go get yourself a gun, find a quiet corner and blow your brains out, don't even bother with a note. There's no further use for you.

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Good Fucking Article
Posted by: ender on Oct 1, 2007 11:34 PM   
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Way to go, Doc!

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Case in central Florida.
Posted by: compu on Oct 2, 2007 12:07 AM   
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Of course the guy did a heinous crime.
After shooting a police officer,and his dog companion
I saw this black guy face down,lots of officers around him
two or three of them kneeling on his back.guest what?
Yup,they killed him.

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London - style surveillance
Posted by: HighburyJD on Oct 2, 2007 6:44 AM   
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Surveillance is not the issue IMO (note: I am from London btw) it's how it is used. The cameras in London were undeniably effective in terms of limiting a terrorists ability to plant bombs then escape. Obviously this is considerably less effective against suicide bombers but does at least allow investigators to recount movements before an attack. The pseudo-fascist crushing of basic free speech and human rights is a huge issue but the use of surveillance is, I think, a seperate one.

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President of small co.
Posted by: crmcvin on Oct 3, 2007 1:31 PM   
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I visit NYC often for work. It's clear it has become a police state. Any city, or country for that matter, would be peaceful if that many cops and that much surveillance were at work. The real loss is the freedom of expression and protest the country now needs desperately if we have any hope of throwing off the travesties of the current regime and their obscenely rich cohorts.

As long as we are all busy working to pay outrageous mortgages, helath care and taxes, we'll never stand up to the crooks running the place. It's sad to see the freedoms we built the country around going down the tubes of fear and repression - more a gift of the republican fanatics and G Bush than the Islamists, I fear.

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President of small co.
Posted by: crmcvin on Oct 3, 2007 1:32 PM   
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I visit NYC often for work. It's clear it has become a police state. Any city, or country for that matter, would be peaceful if that many cops and that much survaillance were at work. The real loss is the freedom of expression and protest the country now needs desperately if we are to hope to throw off the travesties of the current regime and their obscenely rich cohorts.

As long as we are all busy working to pay outrageous mortgages, helath care and taxes, we'll never stand up to the crooks running the place. It's sad to see the freedoms we built the country around going down the tubes of fear and repression - more a gift of the republican fanatics and G Bush than the Islamists, I fear.

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why nation-centric interests are foolhearty...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Oct 3, 2007 2:18 PM   
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its been a slow train coming...

but the lights could have been seen from even this distance...

Personal Security, Data & Privacy: U.S. Eyes U.K.'s Surveillance Camera Solution to Security

Watching the "Ownership Society": follow-ups on Shareholder Surveillance...

Diamond Age? - Kids, RFID Chips... & Minority Reporting?!: thoughts on the new US Project Hostile Intent (PHI)


Looking at the World from the Bottom of a Well:
On "The War": M'kay thoughts, "Super Special Questions"


Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!

BlueBerry Pick'n
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ThisCanadian.com
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New Release{Coming to your City Soon}
Posted by: Krain61 on Oct 3, 2007 5:13 PM   
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It's going on in every city but the bigger the city the bigger and eaiser it is for corruption.Small cities just do it differently!
And I think this is part of the reason we show all
the cop shows and law shows to scare people into thinking it's for
our safety. I say Fuck Safety if I must give up Freedom for it.
I think this BlackWater in Iraq is a test run to see how the public will allow it..So far there still there! Not alot of out people are outraged! I'm not very surprized
because even if you complain it's not really going to be but a very small
blip on the TV and most likely hiden in the paper and "hell" our youths
don't really read papers anyhow. I haven't seen much out rage on the internet
but then again it doesn't affect me is there attitude.
Kinda reminds me of a story my brother said this weekend! Good story too
and makes me think of my Good Old USA which may I add I miss!
He was talking about a guy during the hitler times where they came in his
neighborhood and took one class of people and he looked the other way saying
it doesn't effect him.
This went on and on till they finally got to him and he couldn't understand why
no one cared. Da shit head! Yea this is just what's happening now.
Our Government has spent years perfecting there ability in deviding the people
so they will fight amonst there selves while all along they widdle away at the whole
bunch of us..I hear that story about the cameras don't bother me.
They only go after the bad guys. So when will it be your turn to be the bad guy.
Maybe the Government doesn't like gays,blacks,hispanics,war protestor,Democrates
or maybe it will be republicans or maybe they just don't like free speech.Or It might just be your turn!
I think most people think since it doesn't affect them {today} that it never will.
I drive truck and see cameras and fences every where. Do we really want to
live in a country that is looking more like a prison? We are being classed more and more and now with this DNA they will start classing us from babies deciding who is unfit for there world. The sad part this is no longer just a movie!

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Naomi Klein "The Shock Doctrine" The Rise of Disaster Capitalism
Posted by: donneek on Oct 3, 2007 6:45 PM   
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Read it and you will understand.

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How is it going to end...
Posted by: mistery509 on Oct 3, 2007 7:05 PM   
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United States once a country envied for its beautiful land, its freedoms, its people and it all went down so quickly.

Guess what? George Jr. and Cheney are going to walk away smiling. Their terms are over, they don't care what they did to the country. The war can go on forever. The country is bankruped. USA was sold to China.

They will go to a tropical island and drink margaritas and bask in the sunlight. Do you honestly think they care about the Republicans or the Democrats? They killed and crippled so many American soldiers and thousands of innocent Iraqy people. They don't even feel a bit guilty.

After the party, let someone else clean up the mess. They got their millions and good times are back again.

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