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Voter Purging: A Legal Way for Republicans to Swing Elections?

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted September 11, 2007.


Now the Department of Justice, like the Republican Party, wants fewer registered voters in 2008.
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The Department of Justice's Voting Section is pressuring 10 states to purge voter rolls before the 2008 election based on statistics that former Voting Section attorneys and other experts say are flawed and do not confirm that those states have more voter registrations than eligible voters, as the department alleges.

Voting Section Chief John Tanner called for the purges in letters sent this spring under an arcane provision in the National Voter Registration Act, better known as the Motor Voter law, whose purpose is to expand voter registration. The identical letters notify states that 10 percent or more of their election jurisdictions have problematic voter rolls. It tells states to report "the subsequent removal from rolls of persons no longer eligible to vote."

"That data does not say what they purport it says," said David Becker, People for the American Way Foundation's senior voting rights counsel and a former Voting Section senior trial attorney, after reviewing the letters and statistics used to call for the purges. "They are saying the data shows the 10 worst voter rolls. They have a lot of explaining to do."

"You are basically seeing them grasping at whatever straws are possible to make their point," said Kim Brace, a consultant who helped the U.S. Election Assistance Commission prepare its 2004 National Voter Registration Act report, which contains the data tables cited by the Voting Section letter to identify the errant states.

The Justice Department would not comment for this report, despite repeated requests.

The 10 states receiving Voting Section purge letters are Iowa, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Carolina, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Vermont. Since 2005, the Section has also sued six other states or cities -- Indiana, Maine, New Jersey, Philadelphia and Pulaski County, Arkansas -- where purging voter rolls was part of the resulting settlement. Only Missouri fought a Voting Section suit, winning in federal court, although that decision has been appealed.

Democratic Party officials in Washington and state capitals were not fully aware of the latest Voting Section effort to winnow voter rolls, but Democratic National Committee officials said it would be studied in a 50-state review of election practices before 2008.

The voter roll purges are part of an unprecedented effort at the Justice Department to eliminate "voter fraud," which, as defined by Republican activists, is an assumption that Democratic political operatives or sympathetic political organizations have filed fake voter registrations or encouraged supporters to vote more than once to win elections. These claims have been investigated by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC) and academics and found to be without merit. However, the Bush administration's Justice Department, starting under former Attorney General John Ashcroft, has devoted considerable resources to prosecuting "voter fraud." The effort to pressure states to additionally purge voter rolls is a trickle-down effect of these policies.

Voter roll purges, if incorrectly done, can be a factor in determining election outcomes -- particularly in tight races. Unlike most of the "voter fraud" cases cited by GOP activists, where a handful of registrations -- usually in the single digits -- from big voter registration drives are found to be erroneous, purges can affect thousands of voters. In Florida and Missouri in 2000, a total of 100,000 legal voters were incorrectly removed, according to academics and local election officials. In Cleveland in 2004, voter purges were a factor behind long lines and people leaving without voting as poll workers dealt with people who did not know they had been removed from voter lists, various media reported.

AlterNet obtained and analyzed the EAC data used by the Voting Section to identify states with allegedly swollen voter rolls that need purging. Using the methodology cited in Tanner's letters, it found 18 states where more than 10 percent of the jurisdictions -- a total of 2,000 counties, cities and townships -- allegedly had more registered voters than eligible voting-age citizens. It shared those findings with several dozen experts -- from consultants like Brace, who compiled the numbers, to former Voting Section lawyers, to state election officials, to political operatives -- to assess if those states' voter rolls needed purging and whether the Voting Sections actions were partisan.

AlterNet found many of the states targeted by the Voting Section have outdated voter rolls, especially in rural counties, where the registrations of people who have moved, died or been convicted of felonies need to be removed. That is the standard practice of local election officials and required under federal election laws. However, AlterNet found that some states facing Justice Department pressure to purge voters have long been targeted by GOP "vote fraud" activists, especially where concentrations of minority voters have historically elected Democrats -- such as St. Louis, Philadelphia and South Dakota's Indian reservations. One of those Republican activists who is now a Federal Election Commission member, Hans Von Spakovsky, started the department's purge effort in January 2005 when he was a political appointee overseeing the Voting Section's legal agenda, according to former Voting Section attorneys who worked with him then.

Looking toward the 2008 election, it appears the purges could be a new and legal way to accomplish a controversial longstanding Republican Party electoral tactic -- thinning the ranks of likely Democratic voters in states where there may be close races. In numerous elections dating back to the 1960s, the Republican Party has tried to challenge new voter registrations to accomplish this goal, although since 1981 federal courts have blocked many of those challenges as illegal electioneering. In 2004, state Republican Parties tried to challenge 100,000 voters in Ohio, Florida, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to the Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan, nonprofit, public-interest Washington law firm. Courts and local officials blocked most of those efforts.

Voting rights attorneys say the purges sought by the Justice Department -- in a total of 16 states since 2005 -- could accomplish the same goal as the illegal voter challenge efforts. That is because it is harder to contact lower-income voters to validate their registrations as these voters move more frequently and the means of contact -- mail that is not forwarded -- is not always successful. Historically, this population tends to vote Democratic. All these trends -- 2000's flawed voter purges, the GOP's stymied 2004 voter challenges, the origins of the department's latest voter purge effort, and the apparently specious statistics cited in its letters to 10 states -- have prompted ex-Justice Department attorneys to view the Voting Section's purge project through a partisan lens.

"To me, it's a very clear view of the Republican agenda," said Joe Rich, who resigned as Voting Section Chief in 2005 after 35 years in the Justice Department, speaking of the voter purge initiative. "The GOP agenda is to make it harder to vote. You purge voters. You don't register voters. This is ripe for partisan decision making. You pick the states where you go after Democrats."

"This stuff disenfranchises voters," said Becker. "There are eligible voters who will be removed. There is no evidence that rolls need to be cleaned up to this degree. This will make things more chaotic on Election Day. People will be given provisional ballots that won't get counted."

Political equations

The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) allows the Justice Department to sue states to enforce voter list maintenance laws, or the purging of voter files.

Voter lists, until recently, were maintained mostly at the county level, where election officials periodically remove people who have moved, died or been sent to prison. While the purge process varies from state to state, election offices usually mail letters to voters who haven't cast ballots in the most recent federal election to confirm that their address and voter registration is accurate. The letters are not forwarded. Voters who don't reply are listed as "inactive," but usually can still show up at the next election and vote after showing identification. If that same voter misses two federal elections and does not reply to the mailings, then they can be removed or purged from the voter lists.

Voting rights experts and academics estimate that anywhere from a quarter to one-half of "inactive" voters still have valid voter registrations, but have neither received nor replied to the mailings sent by local election officials. The reasons range from typos and clerical errors in names and addresses, to voters living in nontraditional residences or being away, or mail that may have been improperly delivered. Moreover, low-income people often are transient and hard to reach. A 1991 Yale Law Review article found postal delivery rates for federal tax and census mailings was 15 percent lower in African-American than in white communities.

"It is a misnomer to call them inactive," said Daniel Ivey-Soto, New Mexico's director of elections. "About 18.5 percent of the database is inactive at any time. About half of those people are active voters."

The letters sent this spring to 10 states by Voting Section Chief John Tanner said the Justice Department had examined the most recent federal election statistics -- from the 2004 General Election -- and identified the states with swollen voter rolls.

"We conducted an analysis of each state's total voter registration numbers as a percentage of citizen voting-age population based on reports following the 2004 general election submitted to the Election Assistance Commission," Tanner wrote on April 18, 2007. "According to that report, voter registration actually exceeded the total citizen voting-age population in 10 percent or more of the jurisdictions within your state."

Tanner's letter said the Voting Section was writing to "assess the changes in your voter registration list," progress in creating the statewide voter lists required by the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) and "the subsequent removal from rolls of persons no longer eligible to vote." Internal Department procedures strongly suggest sending notice letters to states and local governments before filing suits.

Ex-Voting Section lawyers questioned the timing of the letters because for several years states have been striving to create statewide voter databases to satisfy HAVA. Cleaning up registration lists is an ongoing part of that task, and the department has sued a half-dozen states for failure to comply with that provision. The Voting Section's 10 purge letters came after that initial litigation, prompting the attorneys to say the letters were veiled threats backed by shoddy analysis.

"This is a real problem," said PFAW's David Becker. "The Department of Justice is the nuclear bomb of voting enforcement. If the DOJ sends a letter, the counties listen, even if they do not have a strong basis to force them to act."

Becker reviewed AlterNet's analysis, which listed all the local jurisdictions that allegedly had more voter registrations than eligible voting-age citizens. The state of Massachusetts was a good example of the Voting Section's "sloppy" analysis, Becker said, because all but two of the localities with voter roll problems were rural, sparsely populated and of little consequence in statewide elections. The other two "problem" jurisdictions -- the neighboring cities of Boston and Brookline -- had more voter registrations than eligible voters only because the inactive voters were included. If half of those inactive registrations are discounted, the cities' rolls look normal and up to date, he said.

"I think it is impossible to claim that this should be a trigger to require a NVRA list maintenance purge," Becker said. "This is a short but sloppy way to figure out and justify something that goes beyond the data. They want more people showing up on Election Day and not finding their names. They want people not voting."

Other experts agreed that the Voting Section was using unreliable statistics.

Kim Brace, a consultant who helped the EAC compile its 2004 NVRA report, said the Section chose a mix of EAC and U.S. Census statistics that was mostly likely to show there were more voter registrations than eligible voting-age adults. The "total voter registration numbers" in Tanner's letter combined active and inactive registrations, Brace said, creating an inflated number for total registrations. In contrast, he said the "citizen voting-age population" was a mid-decade census estimate and a smaller measure.

Brace cautioned against drawing legal conclusions from both these statistical sources, because the voter registration data varied in quality from state to state and because the census figures were estimates, not hard numbers.

"It is the only data available," said Wendy Weiser, deputy director of the Brennan Center at New York University Law School, a public-interest law firm specializing in election litigation, adding it is used by people across the political spectrum. "But if the data is old and bad, then it shouldn't be relied on to challenge people's eligibility."

Preparing for 2008?

An AlterNet analysis of the EAC data used by the department to identify the 10 states that received letters found a total of 18 states with more registered voters than voting-age adults in 10 percent or more of that state's election jurisdictions. That finding raised the question of whether the Voting Section was singling out certain states for voter purges.

A closer examination of the states that didn't get Voting Section letters found some of these states, such as New Hampshire, Idaho and Wisconsin, are exempt from Justice Department oversight because they have Election Day registration. North Dakota also didn't receive a letter, but is exempt from Department oversight because of it has no voter registration system. Alaska, Colorado, Illinois and Michigan also did not receive a letter but had more registered voters than eligible voters in 10 percent or more of their election jurisdictions. That omission did not suggest a pattern benefiting the GOP, as most of these states -- but not Alaska -- lean Democratic.

However, a review of reports and testimony by Republican "vote fraud" activists before and after the 2004 election -- when the department brought most of its suits concerning statewide voter databases and Von Spakovsky started the voter purge initiative -- found many "hot spots" named by Republican activists such as the now-defunct American Center for Voting Rights were targets of Voting Section actions. That would include historic GOP nemeses such as St. Louis and Philadelphia and states with growing Democratic majorities, such as New Jersey.

Other "hot spots" cited by Republican activists, such as Milwaukee, did not fall under Justice Department oversight because Wisconsin has Election Day registration. Another GOP priority was Cleveland, where there have been extensive voter purges since 2000 under the direction of a county elections board that until earlier this year was headed by Ohio's Republican Party chairman. The Justice Department did not act there.

Looking toward 2008, there are a few states that received Voting Section letters where purges could make a difference in a close race, several political consultants said.

South Dakota Sen. Tim Johnson, a Democrat, won in 2002 by 524 votes, and the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, long a target of Republican voter fraud activists, is among that state's counties with allegedly more registered voters than voting adults, according to the EAC statistics cited in the Voting Section's letter. North Carolina, which also received a letter, is also moving to Election Day registration by 2008, which will increase turnout among lower-income people. A purge could minimize the growth of likely Democratic voters, one consultant speculated. In Maine, another state ordered to purge in a consent decree, Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe faces a tough re-election fight, another consultant noted.

When contacted, Democratic Party officials in Washington and in state capitals generally were surprised to hear about the Department of Justice's letter pressuring states to more aggressively purge their voter files.

Many Democrats were familiar with the GOP's attempts to challenge thousands of voter registrations in battleground states on the eve of the 2004 presidential election. Some also recalled a 2006 effort by the Maryland Republican Party where its members were given a manual with false information about voters' rights and were told to challenge voters and threaten poll workers with jail time.

Last month, the Democratic National Committee announced it would conduct a survey of election administration practices in all 50 states as a way to prepare for the 2008 election. DNC officials contacted for this report said they would examine the impact of the voter purges as part of that inventory of election administration. They declined to discuss the potential political impact of the Justice Department's latest purge effort.

The big question left unanswered by most lawyers, scholars and political professionals contacted for this report was how the Voting Section's purge effort might affect 2008's political terrain. In some states like Florida, the number of registered voters is going down -- not up -- despite population growth and an increasingly politicized national landscape brought on by debate over the war in Iraq and presidential campaigns, according to reports by statehouse bureaus in Florida's major daily newspapers.

"What is weird here is the timing," said a well-connected Washington attorney. "Most states are doing their required purges on time. They are consolidating their statewide lists post-2006 under HAVA. That is in different phases in different states. It looks like they are trying to hit the ones they care about before 2008, and use the other states for cover. There is definitely something going on."

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Steven Rosenfeld is a senior fellow at Alternet.org and co-author of What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election, with Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman (The New Press, 2006).

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What a shock
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Sep 12, 2007 1:02 AM   
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The fascists are being fascist.

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» RE: What a shock Posted by: aonghus36
cut back on voters
Posted by: donl51 on Sep 12, 2007 1:02 AM   
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Voter fraud or tampering works,lets stick w/that ,look what it did for all of us in 2000 and 2004 ,Bush and co. both times .My favorite was all those jewish folks who voted for the nazi-party candidate!..in Florida I believe,this time we could have it so all black people will vote for a kkk candidate and evangelists will vote republican ,problem solved!yep! lets use those no paper trail computors ,we all know how dependable computors are !..etc.etc

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Let's adopt the "blue finger" method.
Posted by: vox persona on Sep 12, 2007 2:03 AM   
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After the Grand Theft Election of 2000, I'd be more comfortable with paper ballots with boxes to ckeck in ink.
I dont, can't, and WILL NOT trust paperless, electronic voting.....EVER! It is criminal that we condone a system where a company that manufactures our voting machines has such an obvious bias. HOW DID WE GET TO THAT POINT?
Remember in August 2004 when Walden O'Dell (CEO of Diebold) stated that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver it's electoral votes for the president"? Can anybody say 'conflict of interest'? That is borderline criminal.
No, I don't think this president was even elected once, he is as legitimate as that "Supreme Court" that installed him.
THANK DOG FOR THE 22nd AMMENDMENT!

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To SWING elections?
Posted by: Scott Griffith on Sep 12, 2007 3:31 AM   
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Help them to SWING elections? That's a pretty tame way of putting it. What happened to 'steal' or 'fake' or 'trick'? By the way, what do journalism schools teach these days? I had to re-read the opening sentence twice to be clear on what it was trying to say. Give us a break.

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» It's fun to rename things! Posted by: mrcentrist
» RE: To SWING elections? Posted by: halg
Don't Let It Happen Again
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 12, 2007 6:00 AM   
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It's show time, baby! While the GOP implodes from all sides, they know that the American people are finally starting to awaken from the right wing coma they have been under since the dawn of the Reagan Revolution twenty-seven years ago. They know that they no longer (as if they ever could) possibly win an election based upon merits and issues. They will do everything humanly and subhumanly possible to steal the 2008 election - and we can't let that happen again.

If the results next year are different from the polling results, a massive, nation wide tax strike needs to be organized. A people should not be forced to fund a government (such as the administration of George W. Bush) which is not legitimate.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: Don't Let It Happen Again Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: Don't Let It Happen Again Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Don't Let It Happen Again Posted by: ALANHESTER
» RE: Don't Let It Happen Again Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Don't Let It Happen Again Posted by: ALANHESTER
Purging the Troops
Posted by: Juli in Jax on Sep 12, 2007 6:14 AM   
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You are all missing a very important point. Who are the voters stationed in another country, sick to DEATH of these corrupt, war-profiteering Chickenhawks in the GOP? Why it's our TROOPS! Remeber them? You support the troops, don't you? You honor their service to our nation...but not enough to let them vote you out of office!
Frame it as a few minority voters being disenfranchised on Reservations, in rural communities and in low-wage urban areas, and only Liberals and Progressives will give a hoot. Frame it as disenfranchizing America's military men and women, and you've got a juicy story that would reveal these Repugs for what they are: Liars, Cheats, CRIMINALS. (Please read Greg Palast for more info.)

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» RE: Purging the Troops Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Purging the Troops Posted by: srosenfeld
More of the same...
Posted by: surfreality on Sep 12, 2007 6:14 AM   
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Following the 2000 "election", I recall republicans saying "We stole it fair and square."
In their quest for power, winning is the only thing that matters. When elections are gamed to the point where the will of the people is no longer relevant then the process becomes both a distraction and a charade. Our elections are taking on the flavor of game shows. We are given the illusion that our votes matter; yet nothing really changes.
Democrats "won" "control" of congress because they said they'd bring the troops home. Yet there are MORE US forces on the ground in Iraq now than there were before the "election".
America is committing civic and cultural suicide. Ideally the process of democracy is it's greatest strength. The journey is the destination. In this current regime, that ideal has been subverted at the highest levels of governance.

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» RE: More of the same... Posted by: ALANHESTER
Now...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Sep 12, 2007 6:53 AM   
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All of you that still believe politicians (of either party) want MORE people to vote besides those in their base and when they need them, those who traditionally vote for their party, please stand up.... so you can be dopeslapped for being so naive.

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» Asleep at the wheel Posted by: johnp
» RE: Asleep at the wheel Posted by: JoshuaLudd
The Democratic opportunity
Posted by: DrSuess on Sep 12, 2007 7:27 AM   
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What the Republicans don’t seem to be aware of is that Bush’s actions are changing the traditional makeup of the Republican party. For most of my life- the Republican party was made up of the wealthy and the middle class. These two groups had similar enough goals that they worked together to form a “business/traditionalists” party. What Bush is doing is reaching out to the born again Christians. That is a laudable goal- that will bring large numbers of the working poor into the Republican party. What the press fails to tell people is that the bulk of born again Christians are the working poor. Bush’s idea is to make an unshakable majority. What a combination this would be- the rich, the middle class- and the poor, all together in one unified party.
Unfortunately, there is one slight snag for Bush- he is annoying the middle class. This is more than a little snag- it is a massive transformational snag. By reaching out to the born again Christians (working poor), the Republicans have launched a group of Presidential candidates that I as a former middle class Republican cannot even think of voting for.
The press has completely hidden the fact that the Republican party is not even remotely addressing the needs and desires of the middle class.
The Republican are trying to remove the ‘poor’ from the election equation to further weaken the Democrats. They will almost certainly succeed in disenfranchising the poor. But this is not necessarily a defeat for the Democrats. First- it is Bush who is trying to woo the working poor- not the Democrats.
If the Democrats are smart- they will use this opportunity to take the middle class away from the Republicans. The middle class began to swing in the last election. Bush had succeeded in preventing poor voters from voting. It was a change in suburbia that gave the Democrats their majority. If the Democrats succeed in capturing the middle class, the election politics of America will change for a generation.

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» RE: The Democratic opportunity Posted by: ALANHESTER
"Unaware?"
Posted by: oregoncharles on Sep 12, 2007 9:13 AM   
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"Democratic Party officials in Washington and state capitals were not fully aware of the latest Voting Section effort to winnow voter rolls, but Democratic National Committee officials said it would be studied in a 50-state review of election practices before 2008."

The complacency of the Democratic Party in the face of massive cheating by their "rivals" is astonishing. If they're not aware of the problem or of this campaign, what on Earth are they aware of?

In 2004, Kerry refused to challenge the cheating in Ohio, even though he had promised to "defend the vote" and had raised money for the purpose. Perhaps he meant to put the money in his pocket; or perhaps he had no intention of being President that year. I do wonder.

Only the Greens and Libertarians defended the vote in 2004. I helped pay for it. So who are the real democrats?

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» RE: "Unaware?" Posted by: ALANHESTER
» RE: "Unaware?" Posted by: srosenfeld
THE BRAIN WASH HAS FAILED
Posted by: Roverton on Sep 12, 2007 9:27 AM   
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The experiment is a wash out. People ARE waking up. Even, and especially the ones tasked with these crimes. They are now beginning to resist.

The MSM is instructed not to put those kinds of stories up. Doesn't mean that it isn't happening though.

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» RE: THE BRAIN WASH HAS FAILED Posted by: ALANHESTER
» RE: THE BRAIN WASH HAS FAILED Posted by: Griallia
Look who is going to step in to command
Posted by: agathena on Sep 12, 2007 9:29 AM   
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Voter Purging and "Voter Fraud" for 2008 ?

The biggest election thief in the world:

MR. TED OLSON

(Bush's favorite for Atty General)

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Let's purge the DoJ instead!
Posted by: mgloraine on Sep 12, 2007 9:32 AM   
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Congress needs to continue inquiries into the firings of the US Attorneys in order to put Alberto Gonzales and all of his & Ashcroft's partisan election saboteurs behind bars, or at least get them out of the Dept of Justice ASAP. We can't wait until after the Republicans fix the next election.

Nothing infuriates me quite as much as to have the most obvious crooks and swindlers accusing ordinary citizens of fraud, when every last member of the Bush Administration only has a job as a result of the most heinous election fraud in the history of this country.

Until the REAL criminals (GW Bush, GHW Bush, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Sandra Day O'Connor, Ashcroft, Gonzales, etc.) are in jail for THEIR election fraud, the Bush Dept of Injustice should be regarded as illegal and unauthorized, totally devoid of authority. Tear up their letters and tell them to go to hell.

The biggest problem is that people (like Congress) go along treating Bush and Cheney as if they were legitimate elected officials (which they clearly are not) rather than arresting them and throwing them in jail for their very obvious tampering and bribing. Everyone they installed into the DoJ is a partisan goon, whose "orders" and "directives" have no function other than to further the financial and political ambitions of the Bush Crime Family and its corporate sponsors.

Purge the Department of Justice! Purge the Supreme Court! Purge the entire Executive Branch! Take action against the real election frauds first!

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Read more about John Tanner.
Posted by: wanderindiana on Sep 12, 2007 10:19 AM   
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Tanner was an unassuming career civil servant until he was moved back into the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice in 2002, after a 7-year stint in the Criminal Section, serving on the Hate Crimes working group and the National Church Arson Task Force. And when he took charge of the Voting Section in 2005, the changes came fast and furious.

He became a different person, and no one is quite sure why. Regardless, he has been one of Bush's sharpest tools in the shed in the politicization of Justice.

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Repugs, America's worst menace to our freedom
Posted by: Jimbo33 on Sep 12, 2007 11:02 AM   
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Gosh, those fascist Repugs are all from hotel Madness.

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Dems Asleep at the Wheel
Posted by: Moe Snodgrass on Sep 12, 2007 11:04 AM   
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The most surprising thing is that the Dems express utter ignorance at what is going on. Could it be that their ignorance indicates that they just don't care? Take the example of Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell who, at the same time, was Shrub's campaign chairman. Conflict? Dem voters disenfranchised? Same with Katherine Harris in Florida in 2000. Dems now control Congress so what are they doing to prevent this conflict in the future? Asleep at the wheel? I think so.

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Paper Trail Voting Machines? Brave New World Codified!
Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive on Sep 12, 2007 1:49 PM   
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Get serious..people! Does anybody think they'll be protected by paper-trail voting machines. It's not LESS TECH. It's more tech and can be controlled MUCH more cleverly! I'm a software programmer who has done his share of hacking. The printer voting machine would still be run by a MICROPROCESSOR....hence, still microprogrammed.

The EXTRAORDINARY thing about the printing voter machine is I could program it to tell the user exactly what he selected, AND SEND TO STORAGE OR WHEREVER the results are sent, exactly what I desire!

And if there ever was anyone asking for a check on his vote later, my wonderful program would spit out the same printer slip given to him/her earlier. Orwell is turning over in his grave and shaking his head!

The VOTER feels happy (read dumb) and the SYSTEM (read GOP) gets its election! We are all cyphers (read numbers) in this BRAVE NEW WORLD!

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Thwarting Thugdom!
Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive on Sep 12, 2007 2:42 PM   
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Congress cannot sit on their hands and assume this grotesque cabal will sink itself. This cabal has umpteen people in the DOJ, State, DOD, Interior, etc., and every other Department controlled by the president. The reason Rove left is that the GOP setup of every department is COMPLETE. All the minions are working to get the 2008 election and continue the GOP dictatorial takeover of the government. Congress must still try to pull the purse strings and make every chunk of money contingent on withdrawal from Iraq. The kiddy-think Democrats have been blind-sided by a totally disciplined GOP and they are orchestrating another win in 2008.

What's needed...
A continued assault on the DOJ to get as many of Gonzales's henchmen out.
Stoppage of the Iraq war funds. Suck it up and beat thru the traitor accusations that will be hurled. Do the nation right!
Start a concerted impeachment inquiry on Bush and Cheney.
Thoroughly examine The Department of Justice's Voting Section. Congress must make sure the 2008 elections will be clean.

The DEMs can't wait until after the next election to fix ANYTHING. The Republicans can easily fix the next election and the Dems and our poor nation would suffer another four years of Thugdom!

As someone has already pointed out, Congress cannot treat Bushco and friends as people who will color inside the lines. They are thugs who have broken the system. There IS NO legitimate Dems legislation that can be done for the next ten months. Attack the GOP on all fronts. Investigate and bring them before congress. Get them on the record. They are all partisan thugs and goons! Get a least one or more to make a mistake and nail him/her.

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Purging....
Posted by: madhypnotist on Sep 12, 2007 2:52 PM   
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Im amazed at the purging they are doing... imagine tossing out illegal aliens.. or names of dead people, or dear god convicted felons. We Democrats should speak up ! Allow us to put fake names, dead relatives and whatever stuff we can work out in the voting booths !! I would hate to think that the purging might take out republicans as well...
We cant lose this in the voting ! We have to lose this when we elect hillary !

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» RE: Purging.... Posted by: ALANHESTER
The Cost of Fraud
Posted by: sofla100 on Sep 12, 2007 2:54 PM   
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Below is just a quick tabulation of what the fraud has cost Americans. It is massive indeed.

The Cost of Fraudulent Removal of Eligible Voters:

Year: 2000
State: Florida
Result: Fraudulent Election of GW Bush after voter recount stopped. Brother Jeb and cronie Katherine Harris (FL Secretary of State) had purged voter roles of thousands of Dems. Road blocks on election day stop many African-Americans from voting.
Cost of fraudulent election: Illegal war with Iraq. Thousands Dead. Total cost to be over $500 billion. Other costs in the USA include stagnant domestic economy, global warming to continue unabated, USA poverty rate to increase.


Year: 2004
State: Ohio
Result: Fraudulent Re-election of GW Bush. Entire known Democratic Precincts lose thousands of votes. Press "forgets" to cover debacle.
Cost of fraudulent re-election.: Iraq war continues, thousands more die. Total cost of war now to likely exceed $1 trillion. Other costs occur as US prestige in the world diminishes. USA is no longer a respected nation. USA violates international law with illegal detentions at Guantanamo, loss of civil rights for US citizens. Other costs occur as the USA economy slides now towards recession. USA debt at all time high. Massive tax breaks for the rich continue .

Americans and the World have paid a high price for the perpetuation of the fraudulent removal of voters. That is will continue into the next election is a sad prediction, but, the likely reality.

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Democracy Now
Posted by: dkm on Sep 12, 2007 4:07 PM   
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There is an overseas NGO called Democracy Now that is sponsored by USAID and is active in numerous countries worldwide. Their purpose is to teach people about how democracy works and encourage them to try it in their own countries. It is most active in countries that have both petroleum and regimes hostile to the US oil companies, but that is another story.

This past weekend I was chatting with one of their people in the airport and made the comment that they had a lot of work to do in Washington. I was met with total agreement and the observation that their work is made doubly difficult because the Bush administration practices the opposite of what it teaches. This article is a clear example of why they are less than successful because you can't preach about the speck of dust in your neighbor's eye when it is obvious to everyone that there is a board in your own eye.

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Loose change 2nd edition
Posted by: Landbaron on Sep 12, 2007 5:40 PM   
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Scary movie!

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What about national ID cards?
Posted by: Gaubladt on Sep 12, 2007 6:59 PM   
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A national ID cart might be a solution to the Republican inclination to purge eligible citizens from the voting rolls.
If every citizen were required to have an ID card, then voter registration could be made automatic. The antiquated process of registering to vote would become completely unnecessary; it could be eliminated altogether. No citizens eligible to vote could be turned away from the poles.
I am aware of the fact that both Nazi Germany and the USSR had a system of ID cards which they used to restrict personal freedom. But, I believe that problems could be mitigated with proper checks and balances, like liberal use of impeachment.

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» The real bipartisan connection Posted by: Aureantes
got purged in 2000
Posted by: mombot on Sep 15, 2007 6:34 PM   
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When I went to vote in the 2000 presidential elections, it was fortunate that I had voted before. One of my neighbors was a poll worker and knew that I had voted in earlier elections. According to the powers that be, I had moved to another city!

I have voted in every election that I could since I turned 18. My husband's name was on the list, giving me more credibility as I tried to make my case. I even had my voter card. The poll workers got on the phone and explained to someone on the other end that I indeed belonged there and did not in fact move away. After about 30-45 minutes (and I'm there with my then toddler) I was able to vote. I also got my new voter card in the mail afterwards.

Voter fraud is repblican code for too many democats on the voter rolls!

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