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The Crucifixion of Michael Vick
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NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and Falcons owner Arthur Blank heard Senators John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) lambaste Vick in the Senate, and saw those picket signs, and heard the screams and taunts and jeers from the PETA orchestrated pack outside the Richmond, Virginia courthouse when Vick surrendered. They listened and watched as sports writers and TV commentators angrily denounced Vick. They heard sports talk jocks saber-rattle against Vick on sports shows and fans burn up Internet chat rooms screaming for his head. They watched as Nike and other firms that Vick had endorsement deals with melt away like hot butter. They watched the NAACP issue a tepid and cautious statement pleading against a rush to judgment against him and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference quickly withdraw their invitation for him to appear and be honored at their annual conference. When Vick's pals fingered him as being knee deep in the dog battering that did it. No pads, scrimmages, training camp, and definitely no games for Vick. If he hadn't had a bonafide multi-year contract with the Falcons after Goodell barred him from the Falcons' training camp he wouldn't have gotten a nickel in pay.
As far as celebrity athletes go, even the deal that federal prosecutors offered Vick is anything but generous. He won't wear an ankle bracelet, be allowed to tool around his estate under house watch, or get a walk-around-the-street probation stint. He'll do time, and, it may not be in a cushy country club fed prison. Prosecutors tipped that when they said they'd make an object lesson of him that animal abuse won't be tolerated and will be severely punished. That of course is bluster. The breeding, training, and even killing of dog gladiators won't grind to a halt, the dozens of magazines that prep the "sport" will continue to do brisk sales, and thousands will continue to toss hefty cash into the ring at the dog matches. Vick will just be a bare footnote to all of that.
However, he is an object lesson for a far different reason than what the prosecutors had in mind. More often than not, celebs and sports superstars, even black ones, get cut a lot of slack for their boorish, stupid, arrogant acts and misdeeds, and in some cases even criminal behavior. They are after all the repository of the fantasies and delusions of a public as well as advertisers, sportswriters, and TV executives that are in desperate need of vicarious escape, titillation, excitement, and profits. The sports hero fulfills all of that. He or she seduces, strokes, and comforts those fantasies. They are expected to operate above the fray of human problems, while raising society's expectation of what's good and pure. He or she is rewarded handsomely for what he or she does as a fantasy filler, not for who the often terribly flawed person they actually are. That's a false, phony, and horrible burden to dump on anyone.
Vick had the double misfortune of standing on the rarified perch of the football icon. Football more than any other sport mirrors the best and the worst in American society -- competition, greed, selfishness, and violence. Vick typified all of those qualities on and off the field. But he also typified the good side of the sport -- cooperation, organization, achievement, and heroism. That crept through in his public statement after the announcement was made of a pending plea deal. He talked about respecting the league, took responsibility for his actions, and apologized to friends and teammates.
Should we feel pity for Michael Vick? Yes and No. No: He did the crime and as the old cliché goes he should do the time. He'll still have what the average Joe and Jane that yelled their lungs off for him on the field won't have and that's memories of the adulation he received from a fawning public, sports writers, and his megabuck contract and lucrative endorsement deals. Yes: Vick is yet another reminder that sports icons are the fragile creations of an indulgent, sports-crazed, hero-worshipping, and celebrity-idolatrous public. When they take a tumble from their lofty perch, those same fans, sportswriters, and league officials that cheered and back-patted their idols turn vicious and unforgiving. They can never cobble the broken pieces of their name and reputation back together again. Vick, in the end, waved the ugly issues of wealth, race, celebrity hype, fan idolatry, and animal cruelty in the public's face. Poor Vick, poor us.
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Posted by: lamar on Aug 21, 2007 1:19 PM
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Posted by: kevred on Aug 21, 2007 1:51 PM
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This passage struck me as particularly absurd:
He also typified the good side of the sport -- cooperation, organization, achievement, and heroism. That crept through in his public statement after the announcement was made of a pending plea deal. He talked about respecting the league, took responsibility for his actions, and apologized to friends and teammates.
Heroism?! Savage animal cruelty, illegal gambling, deception, lying...what sort of warped view would see such a man as heroic?
Utter rubbish. He's only doing this now because his compatriots agreed to testify against him. He doesn't respect the league--he violated its policies for years, lied to league and team officials, and committed crimes. He's not taking responsibility for anything--he's taking advantage of a sweetheart deal that will save him some time in jail. And yes, it is a sweetheart deal--how many people who aren't wealthy and well-known would even have the luxury of taking a plea that radically reduces his charges and jail time with such a solid case against them?
As for the apology--how can anyone possibly buy such a hollow statement? Let him rot, or let him repent--but don't think for a second that anything he's saying or doing now means anything except one thing: self-preservation. If he wants us to believe anything different, he can start earning that respect the hard way, starting today. I'm not holding my breath.
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» From What I heard was Vick had over $100 million in contracts and product endorsements.
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» Gee.. I wish I were an athelete...
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» Garbage Men are often Union and make good coin. Make him a barista at Starbucks!!
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Posted by: cheressemm on Aug 21, 2007 3:50 PM
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As a society, too, we are all two-faced when it comes to animal cruelty. Most of the same people who are curifying Vic for what he did to these dogs probably also eat meat and other factory-farmed produced items from regular grocery stores, and use products tested on animals ... animals in our culture suffer horrendously so we can have 100s of varities of pork products and 100s of varities of cosmetics and household items. How come we don't crucity ourselves for what we condone each and every day?
I am against all forms of animal cruelty, but we have to ask ourselves why something like this Vic case gets the attention it has gotten while other cases of extreme creulty do not ... don't pigs, known to be very intelligent and sentient beings, suffer as much for our sakes as these dogs did for the sakes of those who profit from their fights?
I think, when it comes to this, we are a nation of hypocrites ... and only those who make a concerted effort to not condone any cruel industries should be throwing stones.
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Posted by: may261989 on Aug 21, 2007 3:55 PM
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I understand the author's point in regards to how quickly the public turn on a hero who falls foul of the law. But Earl makes it sound like Vick is the real victim here and that those evil Peta activists stepped well over the mark.
Vick is a celebrity who earns a ton of money and enjoys the social status that goes with it. Like any celebrity if he falls foul of the law his celebrity status is going to attract attention, there is no denying it.
I simply do not buy the contrition part, surely Earl is not that naive to believe that his confession was anything other than an acceptance that he would be worse off if he continued to deny the charges. Where is the heroism there? He's doing his best to save his butt and in this case it just happens to involve admitting the crime.
Well, I love animals and I think the bastard deserves everything he gets. So I hope he gets the maximum sentence and rots in hell.
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» No Athletes Are "Heroes"
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» another good point.
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» Typical 21st century American cheapening of an honorable concept
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» RE: Not a "hero" huh?
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» RE: Not a "hero" huh?
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Posted by: chutzpah on Aug 21, 2007 4:37 PM
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» How So? Didn't He Lynch many small, defenseless doggies. No one likes anyone who's cruel to animals.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Aug 21, 2007 6:45 PM
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Utter and complete bullshit.
Pay a bit more attention to the sports world, friend. Being a vicious criminal DOES NOT necessarily mean you can kiss your career good-bye.
Though for Vick... who just accepted a plea deal (hint hint.. millionaires don't accept plea deals if they aren't guilty and trying to avoid even worse charges), it hopefully will mean the end of his NFL career.
Trying to make Vick out as the victim in ANY way is ludicrous.
You want to defend an animal torturer... go right ahead. Its still monstrous, though.
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» So is War. Should We Keep that Going as Well?
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» I WASN'T defending dog fighting... just STFU..you shoot you trap..
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 22, 2007 3:56 AM
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This case is of a piece with the mediatized culture of judgment and punishment currently sweeping like a dense fog over our country (and diffusedly around the world). Although each case displays its particularities and nuances, it's all the same general tenor: select an Imus, a Hilton, a Lohan, a Vick and condense the utter decadence of our present times into their flesh. There's a disturbing kind of 'schadenfreude' that wafts over the airwaves day in and day out; a tinge of self-righteousness and a not un-noticeable streak of pure sadism that has slowly and persistently gained ground in these last few years. Manufacturing 'heroes' and 'role models' and 'leaders' is always subject to recalls. It's high time for each of us to take stock of ourselves and stop feeding this disturbing frenzy. Consensus can sometimes look very akin to tyranny. Or perhaps it's too late and soon we'll be burning witches again.
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Posted by: thetruth07 on Aug 22, 2007 4:01 AM
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Why is it in sports these players get away with doing things to humans: abuse their wives and girlfriends, kill someone while driving drunk(Leonard Little), be accused of sexual assault of your 17yr old babysister(Mark Chmura even though he was found not guilty), and no one is up in arms.
Which brings me to something comedian Bill Mahr said about "America hates Michael Vick more than O.J. and he killed his wife!
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Posted by: jambro on Aug 22, 2007 4:27 AM
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michael vick, is no worst than george bush .... and to choose between those two "criminals" i would vote for vick to replace bush, at least vick has other talents than dog fighting or setting human beings against each other and calling it war ... who is the terrorist? perhaps all americans who support blood sport or war, each is the flip side of the same coin ...
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Posted by: jimidee on Aug 22, 2007 5:16 AM
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One thing that this case has brought to our attention is how widespread it is.
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Aug 22, 2007 5:20 AM
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It is easy to see how people can rationalize Vick's "persecution." His crimes do pale by comparison.
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Posted by: Leman on Aug 22, 2007 6:10 AM
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Having said that, now you might imagine I have a different perspective on the whole issue. To me, Vick is just another idiot, who had more than enough to live on but for some strange reason decided to "supplement his income" in one of the most appalling ways. The fact that he is a football star is completely irrelevant to me. The fact that he is black is of even less of the consequence.
Here is the way I see it: the guy had a piece of bread and butter on a golden plate, but he also wanted a piece of banned salami to go with it. He could not find a better way to get it but to participate in a cruel, disgusting criminal activity. He got caught. Now, instead of his fancy snack he is going to have a stale cracker on a used paper plate. Good for everybody. Certainly, not too bad of a deal for the dogs.
So, see, Mr. Hutchinson, I don't boo him because he is a black quarterback. I boo him because he is a scumbag. I don't see how he is any better than Enron's executives. And I don't see why he would not be treated by the public the same way those pieces of crap were.
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Posted by: klife on Aug 22, 2007 6:13 AM
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Is this nation - now so morally outraged over the inhumane treatment of these pit bulls ("Pit Bulls" - bred to fight - not by Michael Vick) the same nation that was never even able to pass an anti-lynching law in the senate (for over a hundred years) to stop the castrating, BURNING, mutilating and hanging of thousands of innocent black men and women? Say it isn't so.
This country - morally outraged - You're kidding, right?!!!!!
This nation, and the majority of the anti-abortion, save the animal frenzy is a vain attempt to make up for a spiritual bankruptcy that can never be made up, without admitting the depravity, inhumanity, and sadistic brutality that was (and in many cases still is) the hallmark of this nation and its people.
Do you think we should save the moral indignation. That underscores our hypocrisy. Do you think we should tone down the rhetoric, and try to show some humanity, and understanding, even if, as seems to be our pattern, we scarcely possess any? I do.
Thank you
KB
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Posted by: pennagal on Aug 22, 2007 7:26 AM
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However, it's often easier to take criminals down for lower level crimes. Breeding and using dogs to fight is abhorent and I don't feel in the least sorry that Vicks had to pay through the nose for such cruelty. I do wish we were equally quick to condemn people who are guilty of the abuse of their fellow human beings.
I think the reason for the public outcry is that most of us have had a pet -- a dog or a cat who trusted us implictly and absolutely. These "lesser" beings are far superior to humans in many ways. To treat them this way for sport is simply more than most of us can stomach.
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Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 22, 2007 9:55 AM
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Some of these columns by EOH are seriously stretching the victimhood thing.
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Posted by: Voicedude on Aug 22, 2007 10:04 AM
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'The world was out to get him', 'he's a victim of a racist agenda', 'another example of the man trying to him down' and attitudes like this are steeped in denial and the worst possible position a responsible member of the media can possibly take. In this case, they have NOTHING to do with reality! What's next? Interviewing O.J. on how it feels to get 'railroaded'? A comparison to Ray Carruth and the way we misunderstood him?
puh - LEASE!
With all of the real injustices out there, this position is too preposturous to mention even behind closed doors, much less out in the public forum.
To even call it a 'lynching' is crock! But to call it a 'crucifixion' is downright blasphemy! You do yourself, your readers, and all bonifide victims a real dis-service with this one.
After this, I guess we can look forward to your next article: "The Softer Side Of Osama"......
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Posted by: bg41 on Aug 22, 2007 11:40 AM
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It's rather sad to reduce PETA and its supporters to caricatures who are somehow oppressing poor millionaire football players with their annoying messages of humane treatement to animals. (It's perhaps a more depressing sign that Peta and other animal rights/environmental groups are referred to more often in terms that categorize them as annoying little gadflies and not legitimately concerned individuals.)
While I admit I have a real affection for dogs, it's not the fact that little puppies are being hurt that contributes to whatever horror I feel at the crimes of which Vick is accused. It's the fact of the same absence of compassion or sympathy that we see in our casually warmongering leaders is also obviously present in someone who engages in this sort of activity (and seems depressingly evident in those who seek to explain away the crime by caliming they're "only dogs"), and that somehow troubles me more because it implies a more widespread lack of feeling when inflicting harm on other living things than I had imagined existed. So maybe that's part of the outcry - we've (sadly) grown accustomed to the fact that our current political leaders are, for lack of a better term, almost sociopathically indifferent to the tremendous loss of life they've perpetrated overseas - but maybe it's that much more disturbing to see how prevalent that same callousness is even outside of the political realm.
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Posted by: mdwoade on Aug 22, 2007 11:45 AM
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I read the article several times, and the only reference to the fact that Vick is Black is a reference to a tepid response by the NAACP. The only reason I can see for this article is because he IS Black. If a redneck WASP player was involved in torturing and killing dogs, everybody could get behind the most vindictive punishments. Michael Vick is/was a wealthy individual who decided to involve himself with something that most people in our country, Black, White, Yellow, Hispanic and Red people, find offensive and illegal. The hidden message is that poor Michael is just another Southern Black kid ground up and spit out by the White racist establishment. I think that is hogwash. There are plenty of cases of legitimate discrimination to fight without defending a rich Black celebrity who engaged in despicable and illegal activity.
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Posted by: 15delta on Aug 22, 2007 1:11 PM
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He makes more money than he can count and has the world
in his hands with the gifts from God and then puts his head
right up his --s, with such a dispicipul stunt of the lowest.
It shows to me that people like him that thinks he is untouchable,
and think they are the brightest in the world because he is a star
and all adore him.
My comment to him:
You’re a bigger ass-hole than Bush.
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Posted by: dusty1215 on Aug 22, 2007 1:18 PM
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Yes, what he did was heinous and disgusting..but most scumbags that get nailed for straight animal torture do months not years, if anything.
I am sorry that Vick was tried in the court of public opinion..perhaps he will pay a harsher price because of his celebrity..but that won't excuse his actions or the decisions he made as an adult.
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Posted by: dogman44 on Aug 22, 2007 5:05 PM
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Posted by: dogman44 on Aug 22, 2007 6:00 PM
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KIA in a static position we were trying to hold. Shadow was a hero. Football players and sports figures in general are not heroes. They are NOT warriors no matter how much the media would like to convince us otherwise. ( I often see these costumed clowns refered to as "warriors" in the MSM ).
I gave up sports and its ensuing brutality when I returned from war.
I would like to see vick, (lack of caps intended), subject to the same tourtures he has submitted these poor dogs to.
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Posted by: reddragon696 on Aug 22, 2007 11:25 PM
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Anyone who would think that it was OK to make animals fight each other for sport is dispicable.
He may have been 'found guilty' by public opinion but when someone puts him/herself in the public eye they have to expect the public to hold them accountable for their actions.
I disagree with the NAACP that he was singled out because of his color and was the true victim. Most people simply see animal fighting for what it is, a cruel and ugly sport regardless of the race of the person engaging in it. It appears that Michael Vick was simply greedy. He already had over $100,000,000 in contracts yet saw nothing wrong in involving himself in illegal dog fighting so he could make even more money.
When you play with fire you often get burned and you have no one to blame but yourself.
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Posted by: denwa on Aug 23, 2007 7:22 AM
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Aug 23, 2007 11:01 AM
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Roll credits. :o(
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Posted by: donl51 on Aug 23, 2007 3:04 PM
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Posted by: whealeydj on Aug 23, 2007 4:00 PM
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Posted by: Will Shonbrun on Aug 24, 2007 12:57 PM
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Vick not only ran a dog fighting ring, a brutal and sadistic undertaking for pleasure and profit, he tortured and killed dogs as well. He is totally responsible for these reprehensible actions and should pay the penalty for these Crimes as any other person is so liable.
All the stuff about racism, other athletes' crimes & media hype are irrelevant and misleading. Vick engaged in puerile, sick and morally degenerate activities. Period. Whether he's a football player of reknown and wealth isn't important. He's deserving of a fair trial just like any other person and if he's guilty, which he has already admitted, then he should/must suffer the consequences of his sick actions.
Mr. Hutchinson's attempt to whitewash this and distort the story is not worthy of his great talent and fine journalistic work of the past.
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Posted by: beatlefanfcb on Aug 24, 2007 4:54 PM
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Whether or not people are vegetarian is irrelevant to this case. The conditions in slaughterhouses are truly horrific but a slaughterhouse worker killing animals by the methods reportedly used by Vick would be prosecuted for cruelty.
Dog fighting is a crime. It is illegal in all fifty states and it is a felony in many of those states. Vick has pleaded guilty to committing a crime and he needs to be treated the same way that any non-celebrity accused of a crime would be treated. I think we all know that a non-celebrity who had been arrested for drunk driving as often as Lindsay Lohan would be rotting in jail. And I make no excuse for demanding that celebrities who violate the law need to receive the same penalties given to average Amercians.
I’m not sure why any one would assume that people who are concerned about animal abuse are not concerned with, or involved in other issues. But I do know that letting Michael Vick get away with animal abuse is not going to help end the war in Iraq or save the life of any one in Darfur.
Dog fighting is a serious crime and it is often tied to other criminal behavior. It doesn’t surprise me that Vick and those associated with him have also been accused of theft, illegal drug use, and knowingly spreading sexually transmitted diseaseses.
For ten years I served as the Executive Director of an animal shelter which offered a $1,000 reward for information leading to arrest and conviction on dog fighting charges. The first reward we paid out was to a woman who had founded a community watch because she was concerned about drug dealing in her neighborhood. And the person who was caught in the act of organizing a dog fight was one of the neighborhood drug dealers. While he was awaiting trial on the dog fighting charges, he was released on bail. And while he was out on bail he was arrested again for dealing drugs at the local mall.
Frank Caesar Branchini
Edgewater, MD
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Posted by: DEBKAMAINE on Aug 25, 2007 4:50 AM
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Posted by: louisa23 on Aug 25, 2007 7:16 AM
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I read about this seven years ago. (New Yorker 2000) Why is Alternet ignorant of this fact?
just kinda wondered
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Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 26, 2007 11:08 AM
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People who cheered Vick on are still cheering him on. He's a great player and no conviction will change that. But he was not so loved as you think before this all came down.
And it's not just the public -- his estranged father said Vick was an arrest waiting to happen.
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Posted by: MEL810 on Aug 30, 2007 8:14 PM
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If the pros had noticed back then that the guy was a troublemaker and a bit of a thug, this unfortunate situation might not have happened.
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