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Jailing Nation: How Did Our Prison System Become Such a Nightmare?
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Questions like these are unavoidable in the face of America's homegrown gulag archipelago, a vast network of jails, prisons and "supermax" tombs for the living dead that, without anyone quite noticing, has metastasized into the largest detention system in the advanced industrial world. The proportion of the US population languishing in such facilities now stands at 737 per 100,000, the highest rate on earth and some five to twelve times that of Britain, France and other Western European countries or Japan. With 5 percent of the world's population, the United States has close to a quarter of the world's prisoners, which, curiously enough, is the same as its annual contribution to global warming.
With 2.2 million people behind bars and another 5 million on probation or parole, it has approximately 3.2 percent of the adult population under some form of criminal-justice supervision, which is to say one person in thirty-two. For African-Americans, the numbers are even more astonishing. By the mid-1990s, 7 percent of black males were behind bars, while the rate of imprisonment for black males between the ages of 25 and 29 now stands at one in eight.
While conservatives have spent the past three or four decades bemoaning the growth of single-parent families, there is a very simple reason some 1.5 million American children are fatherless or (less often) motherless: Their parents are locked up. Because they are confined for the most part in distant rural prisons, moreover, only about one child in five gets to visit them as often as once a month.
What's that you say? Who cares whether a bunch of "rapists, murderers, robbers, and even terrorists and spies," as Republican Senator Mitch McConnell once characterized America's prison population, get to see their kids? In fact, surprisingly few denizens of the American gulag have been sent away for violent crimes. In 2002 just 19 percent of the felony sentences handed down at the state level were for violent offenses, and of those only about 5 percent were for murder. Nonviolent drug offenses involving trafficking or possession (the modern equivalent of rum-running or getting caught with a bottle of bathtub gin) accounted for 31 percent of the total, while purely economic crimes such as burglary and fraud made up an additional 32 percent. If the incarceration rate continues to rise and violent crime continues to drop, we can expect the nonviolent sector of the prison population to expand accordingly.
A normal society might lighten up in such circumstances. After all, if violence is under control, isn't it time to come up with a more humane way of dealing with a dwindling number of miscreants? But America is not a normal country and only grows more punitive.
It has also been extremely reluctant to face up to the cancer in its midst. Several of the leading Democratic candidates, for example, have recently come out against the infamous 100-to-1 ratio that subjects someone carrying ten grams of crack to the same penalty as someone caught with a kilo of powdered cocaine. Senator Joe Biden has actually introduced legislation to eliminate the disparity -- without, however, acknowledging his role as a leading drug warrior back in the 1980s, when he sponsored the bill that set it in stone in the first place. At a recent forum at Howard University, Hillary Clinton promised to "deal" with the disparity as well, although it would have been nice if she had done so back in the '90s, when, during the first Clinton Administration, the prison population was soaring by some 50 percent.
Although he is not running this time around, Jesse Jackson recently castigated Dems for their hesitancy in addressing "failed, wasteful, and unfair drug policies" that have sent "so many young African-Americans" to jail. Yet Jackson forgot to mention his own drug-war past when, as a leading hardliner, he specifically called for "stiffer prison sentences" for black drug users and "wartime consequences" for smugglers. "Since the flow of drugs into the US is an act of terrorism, antiterrorist policies must be applied," he declared in a 1989 interview, a textbook example of how the antidrug rhetoric of the late twentieth century helped pave the way for the "global war on terror" of the early twenty-first.
In other words, cowardice and hypocrisy abound. Fortunately, a small number of academics and at least one journalist have begun training an eye on America's growing prison crisis. Since there is more than enough injustice to go around, each has zeroed in on different aspects of the phenomenon -- on the political and economic consequences of stigmatizing so many young people for life, on the racial consequences of disproportionately punishing young black males and on the sheer moral horror of needlessly locking away real, live human beings in supermax prisons that are little more than high-tech dungeons. Their findings, to make a long story short, are that the damage cannot be reduced to a simple matter of so many person-years of lost time. To the contrary, the effects promise to multiply for years to come.
In American Furies Sasha Abramsky, a Sacramento-based journalist and longtime Nation contributor, convincingly argues that the best way to understand US prison policies is to think of them as a GI Bill in reverse. Just as the original GI Bill laid the basis for a major social advance by making college available to millions of veterans, mass incarceration is laying the basis for an enormous social regression by stigmatizing and brutalizing millions of young people and "de-skilling" them by removing them from the workforce. America will be feeling the effects for generations.
Bruce Western, a Princeton sociologist, offers the best overview. He notes in his new study, Punishment and Inequality in America, that mass imprisonment is actually a novel development. For much of the twentieth century, the US incarceration rate held steady at around 100 per 100,000, which would put it in the same ballpark as Western Europe today. But after a slight dip following the liberal reforms of the 1960s, the curve reversed direction in the mid-'70s and then rose more steeply in the '80s and '90s. Considering that Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Austria succeeded in reducing or holding their incarceration rates steady during this period, the US pattern was highly exceptional. But so are US crime rates. Between 1980 and 1991, US homicides hovered at between 7.9 and 10.2 per 100,000, as much as ten times the European average. (The rate has since fallen to around 5.7.) Combined with the crack wave that also exploded in the 1980s, the result was a deepening sense of panic that peaked in mid-1986 with the death of basketball star Len Bias from a cocaine overdose.
Although there was no evidence that crack had anything to do with Bias's death -- police found only powdered cocaine in his car -- the incident somehow confirmed crack as the new devil substance, "the most addictive drug known to man," in the words of Newsweek, and a threat comparable to the "medieval plagues," in the considered opinion of U.S. News and World Report (which would have meant that the country was facing an imminent population loss of up to 33 percent). Within a matter of months, Joe Biden had helped shepherd through to victory the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986, an unusually horrendous piece of legislation that etched in stone the 100-to-1 penalty ratio for crack.
Still, it is always interesting to consider which deaths fill people with horror and which ones don't. The year before Bias's death not only saw 19,000 homicides in the United States but nearly 46,000 highway fatalities too, and yet Congress somehow refrained from criminalizing motor vehicles. Crack's status as the drug du jour of a certain class of inner-city blacks should have been the giveaway. What had Congress in a tizzy was not cocaine consumption so much as black cocaine consumption, which is why the subsequent repression was bound to be far harder on African-Americans than on whites. Although there is no evidence that blacks use drugs more than whites and indeed some evidence that they use them less, Western notes that black users are now twice as likely to be arrested for drugs and, once arrested, more likely to go to prison or jail. None of this is necessarily racist, at least not in the crudely explicit way we associate with men in white sheets.
The reason the police concentrate their efforts in black inner-city neighborhoods, Western notes, is that users congregate there in large numbers, and buying, selling and using tend to take place in public. (It's harder to make arrests behind the closed doors of some suburban McMansion.) If a judge is more inclined to send a poor black defendant to prison, similarly, it is not necessarily because he or she enjoys punishing someone with dark skin but because the judge, according to Western, may "see poor defendants as having fewer prospects and social supports, thus as having less potential for rehabilitation." If your weeping parents can afford to send you to private rehab, you're excused. If not, it's off to the state pen.
Racial and class biases are thus built into the very structure of the drug war. Western is particularly effective on the economic consequences of such grossly disproportionate policies. The standard account of American economic development since the 1970s, told and retold in countless undergraduate classrooms, is that economic deregulation and growth have done much to narrow the once-yawning wage gap between white and black workers. To quote the New York Times: "Unemployment rates among blacks and Hispanic people...are at or near record lows. Joblessness among high school dropouts has fallen to about half the rate in 1992. And wages for the lowest paid are rising faster than inflation for the first time in decades."
A rising tide lifts all boats, whereas all that labor-market rigidity has done for "Old Europe" is to saddle it with persistently high levels of unemployment, an alienated underclass and riots in the banlieues. But as Punishment and Inequality in America points out, if US economic policies look good, it is only because the country's enormous prison population is not factored into the equation. If workers behind bars are counted, then it quickly becomes apparent "that young black men have experienced virtually no real economic gains on young whites" and that the real black unemployment rate is up to 20 percent greater than official statistics indicate. Rather than freeing up the markets, Western writes, the United States has "adopted policies that massively and coercively regulated the poor." Where the Danes provide their unemployed with up to 80 percent of their previous salary and the Germans provide them with 60 percent, America has deregulated the rich while throwing a growing portion of its working class in jail.
In Marked, Devah Pager, who also teaches sociology at Princeton, uses a simple technique to show how mass incarceration has undone the small amount of racial progress achieved in the 1960s and '70s. Working with two pairs of male college students in Milwaukee, one white and the other black, she drilled them on how to present themselves and answer questions. Then, arming them with phony résumés, she sent them out to apply for entry-level jobs. The résumés were identical in all respects but one. Where one member of each team had nothing indicating a criminal record, the other's résumé showed an eighteen-month sentence for drugs. To help insure that the results were uniform, the résumés were then rotated back and forth among the testers.
The results? The white applicant with a prison record was half as likely to be called back for a second interview as the white applicant without. But the black applicant without a criminal record was no more likely to be called back than the white applicant with a record, while the black applicant with a record was two-thirds less likely to be called back than the black applicant without. The black applicant with a record therefore wound up doubly penalized -- as a black man and as an ex-con. With the chances of a call-back reduced to just 5 percent, the overall effect, Pager writes, was "almost total exclusion from this labor market." Considering that there are as many as 12 million ex-felons in the United States, a major portion of them black, the result has been to create a huge pool of the semipermanently unemployed where one might otherwise not exist. This is not to disprove sociologist William Julius Wilson, whose study The Declining Significance of Race caused an uproar when it was published in 1978. Wilson may have been right: The significance of race may well have been declining by the late '70s. But thanks to a government policy of mass stigmatization, it has come roaring back.
This is not only bad news for those arrested but bad news for those who have to foot the bill for their incarceration and for dealing with the social problems that labor-market exclusion on this scale helps generate. But there are other costs too. In Locked Out, Jeff Manza and Christopher Uggen, professors of sociology at Northwestern and the University of Minnesota, respectively, point out that only two states, Maine and Vermont, permit felons to vote while incarcerated, that most limit felons' voting rights after they complete their terms and that, even if not legally disenfranchised, some 600,000 jail inmates and pretrial detainees are effectively prevented from voting as well. All told, this means that 6 million Americans were unable to vote on election day in 2004. This is not peanuts. Nationwide, one black man in seven has been disenfranchised as a consequence, while in Florida, the state with the most sweeping disenfranchisement laws, the number of those prevented from voting now exceeds 1.1 million.
From a right-wing perspective, this is nothing short of brilliant. After all, what could be better than disenfranchising an unfriendly racial group while persuading the rest of the nation that the group deserves it because its ranks are filled with violent criminals? Since felons and ex-felons tend to be poor and members of oppressed racial minorities, they tend to vote Democratic. Even though the poor are less likely to vote than those higher up on the socioeconomic ladder, Manza and Uggen say there is little doubt that, had the disenfranchisement laws not existed in Florida in November 2000, the extra votes would have provided Al Gore with a margin of victory so comfortable that not even the Republican state legislature could have taken it away. If the ranks of prison inmates and hence of disenfranchised ex-inmates had not multiplied since the '70s, much of the wind would also have been taken out of the sails of the great GOP offensive. Americans have not gone right, in other words. Rather, by taking control of the criminal-justice issue, the right wing has winnowed down the electorate so as to artificially boost the power of the conservative minority.
But how did the right gain control of this all-important issue in the first place? This is the problem that Marie Gottschalk, a professor of political science at the University of Pennsylvania, wrestles with in The Prison and the Gallows, an eccentric but compelling study of mass incarceration's ideological origins. While taking aim at the usual right-wing villains, The Prison and the Gallows also goes after various liberals and radicals who, inadvertently or not, also contributed to the construction of "the carceral state." Bill Clinton, for example, not only embraced the drug war and capital punishment -- he interrupted his 1992 presidential campaign to fly back to Arkansas and sign the death warrant for a mentally disabled prisoner named Rickey Ray Rector -- but also endorsed what Gottschalk calls "a virulently punitive victims' rights movement," going so far as to call for a constitutional amendment in 1996 as "the only way to give victims equal and due consideration."
This was important because the victims' rights movement represented an effort to inject a dose of vengeance into the judicial process and thereby blur the distinction between the private interest of the victim and the public's interest in maintaining order and justice. In Europe, reformers were also concerned with victims' rights. But "extending a hand to victims was seen from the start as primarily an extension of the welfare state," Gottschalk observes, whereas in America, where welfare is a dirty word, it was seen as a way of steering criminal justice in a more punitive direction.
Gottschalk's assault on '70s feminism is sure to raise the most eyebrows. She argues that the women's movement helped facilitate the carceral state by promoting a punitive approach to sexual violence that was unmitigated by any larger political considerations. This single-minded focus led to what The Prison and the Gallows describes as unsavory coalitions with tough-on-crime types. In the State of Washington, women's groups successfully marketed rape reform as a law-and-order issue so that, when the measure finally passed in 1975, it was "in part by riding on the coattails of a new death penalty statute."
In California a new rape shield became known as the Robbins Rape Evidence Law, in honor of one of its legislative sponsors, a conservative Republican named Alan Robbins. In pressing for limits on the cross-examination of alleged rape victims, feminists "generally did not consider what effect such measures would have on a defendant's right to due process," Gottschalk adds, even though due process at the time was under assault from a growing war on crime.
More radical elements, meanwhile, strayed into outright vigilantism. In Berkeley, antirape activists picketed an accused rapist's home. In East Lansing in 1973, they "reportedly scrawled Rapist on a suspect's car, spray-painted the word across a front porch and made warning telephone calls late at night." In Los Angeles, a self-styled "antirape squad" vowed to shave rapists' heads, cover them with dye and then photograph them for posters reading, This Man Rapes Women. A feminist publication called Aegis ran a notorious cover showing a gun with the warning, "You can't rape a .38; we will defend ourselves."
The National Rifle Association was no doubt delighted. Gottschalk contends that such activists wound up "profoundly co-opted," since "by framing the rape issue around 'horror stories,' they fed into the victims' movement's compelling image of a society held hostage to a growing number of depraved, marauding criminals." She notes that feminists threw themselves into the battle for the Violence Against Women Act, which passed in 1994 as part of an omnibus anticrime bill that "allocated nearly $10 billion for new prison construction, expanded the death penalty to cover more than fifty federal crimes, and added a 'three strikes and you're out' provision mandating life imprisonment for federal offenders convicted of three violent offenses."
Yet feminists' involvement was relatively modest two years later when a few liberals tried to rally opposition to Clinton's plan to abolish Aid to Families With Dependent Children, which heavily benefited poor women. Like their nineteenth-century forebears, who advocated bringing back the whipping post to deal with wife beaters, late-twentieth-century feminists got more excited about punishment than defending the welfare state.
Gottschalk is more than a bit brave in pointing this out. Still, her choice of historical examples to explain the growth of an increasingly vindictive national mood seems incomplete. As much damage as radical feminists may have done in undermining due process, they seem less important than certain antidrug activists -- in particular, certain black Democratic antidrug activists -- whose efforts ran on parallel tracks.
This means not just Jesse Jackson, who backed vigilante-style antidrug patrols by the Nation of Islam ("As long as this type of solution is within the law, it should be encouraged") but also Congressman Charles Rangel, the Manhattan Democrat who, as head of the House Select Committee on Narcotics Abuse, spent much of the '80s baiting Reagan for being soft on drugs. "I haven't seen a national drug policy since Nixon was in office," Rangel lamented at one point. "So far, the Administration hasn't given it any priority." This is as clear a case of an ostensible liberal cheering on the forces of right-wing reaction as one could hope to find. US prisons are not bulging with rapists and wife beaters, but they are filled with drug offenders, some 458,000 as of 2000, which makes the brief space that Gottschalk allots to the drug war somewhat hard to fathom. It's like discussing Al Capone without mentioning Prohibition.
Sasha Abramsky is less interested in the ideological currents that helped pave the way for mass incarceration, although in American Furies he does spotlight the fascinating role played by a Berkeley-educated sociologist named Robert Martinson, who, after several years investigating the cornucopia of rehabilitation programs offered at the time by the New York State prison system, summed up his findings in a sensational 1974 article titled "What Works?" His answer: nothing. Martinson's frustration is understandable to anyone who has ever suffered through an encounter group. Yet his conclusions, published in the neoconservative journal Public Interest, were grossly one-sided: While many programs do not work, some clearly have a positive effect.
In short order, Martinson's article became the bible of the vengeance-and-punishment set, which seized on it as proof that rehabilitation was a lost cause and that the only purpose of prison was to penalize wrongdoers. Once this ideological impediment was removed, the criminal-justice system slid downhill with remarkable speed. If punishment was good, then more punishment was better. In short order, Massachusetts Governor William Weld was declaring that life in prison should be "akin to a walk through hell," while right-wing Senator Phil Gramm was promising "to string barbed wire on every military base in America" to contain all the criminals he wanted to round up. In Maricopa County, Arizona, which includes Phoenix, a colorful local character named Joe Arpaio got himself re-elected sheriff time and again by parading his inmates about on chain gangs, dressing the men among them in fluorescent pink underwear and serving prisoners food that, as he cheerfully admits, costs less than what he gives to his cats and dogs. "Voters like it everywhere," Abramsky quotes Arpaio as saying of such policies.
"I'm on thousands of talk shows. I never get a negative. I get letters from all over the world -- and I answer every one. They say, 'Come up here and be our sheriff.'" What makes this all the more repellent is that the people subjected to such humiliation and abuse are rarely killers or rapists but alcoholics, vagrants and other small fry doing time for such misdemeanors as possession and shoplifting.
Amazing how much damage a single article can do, eh? Yet when a conscience-stricken Martinson published a mea culpa in the Hofstra Law Review five years later ("contrary to my previous position, some treatment programs do have an appreciable effect on recidivism"), the media yawned. No big shots interviewed him on TV, and no politicians called to solicit his views. No one wanted to hear that rehabilitation programs work, only that they don't. Beset by personal troubles, professional setbacks and perhaps the realization of how grievously he had allowed himself to be misused, Martinson committed suicide by throwing himself out of a ninth-floor Manhattan apartment in 1980.
American Furies provides us with a vivid account of the horrors that have followed -- the low-level pot dealers and shoplifters sentenced to life in prison in California, Oklahoma, Alabama and other states where various "three strikes" or other habitual-offender laws pertain; the supermax prisoners condemned to spend twenty-three hours a day in barren concrete cells the size of walk-in closets; the epidemics of suicide and self-mutilation; and the stubbornly high levels of violence between and among prisoners and guards -- which law-and-order advocates seize upon as reason to build yet more supermax facilities. US prison policy is like a computer program that is designed to spit out the same answers no matter what data are fed into it: Arrest more people, put more of them in prison, build more cells to accommodate them.
Where will it end? As Martinson's story shows, American mass incarceration is not what social scientists call "evidence based." It is not a policy designed to achieve certain practical, utilitarian ends that can then be weighed and evaluated from time to time to determine if it is performing as intended. Rather, it is a moral policy whose purpose is to satisfy certain passions that have grown more and more brutal over the years. The important thing about moralism of this sort is that it is its own justification. For true believers, it is something that everyone should endorse regardless of the consequences. As right-wing political scientist James Q. Wilson once remarked, "Drug use is wrong because it is immoral," a comment that not only sums up the tautological nature of US drug policies but also shows how they are structured to render irrelevant questions about wasted dollars and blighted lives.
Moralism of this sort is neither rational nor democratic, and the fact that it has triumphed so completely is an indication of how deeply the United States has sunk into authoritarianism since the 1980s. With the prison population continuing to rise at a 2.7 percent annual clip, there is no reason to think there will be a turnaround soon. Indeed, Gottschalk writes that mass incarceration is so taken for granted nowadays that "it seems almost unimaginable that the country will veer off in a new direction and begin to empty and board up its prisons."
Still, she ends on a quasi-optimistic note by quoting Norwegian sociologist Thomas Mathiesen to the effect that "major repressive systems have succeeded in looking extremely stable almost until the day they have collapsed." Indeed, repression is itself often a sign of instability bubbling up from below. This is not much to pin one's hopes on, but it will have to do.
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 20, 2007 2:53 AM
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In other words if you rape a girl it might cost you 1 year in jail.
But if it could cost you 8 or 10 years it is worth killing and get rid of the body.
Since alcohol(a hard drug) is normal, in Western Europe smoking marihuana is no crime.
I think the Rich in America knowing their criminal attitude towards mankind will use all technics to surpress the goodwilling but naiv citizens.
communication with fellow human beeings make time more worth living than constantly stressing for an extra bit of profit.
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Posted by: pure_genius on Aug 20, 2007 3:51 AM
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When Jim Crow laws came to an end, the modern justice system replaced it. As long as there are laws on the books that target particular groups without mentioning those groups, the incarceration rate will continue to expand.
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Posted by: williameon on Aug 20, 2007 4:36 AM
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That puts people into jail
Instead of providing an education and getting them jobs.
The most lawyers and inmates.
In the world.
Another bad thing we are number one in.
It goes hand in hand.
As long as one fraternity ‘lawyers’ running this country into the ground
For their Cor‘pirate’ masters
We are in trouble.
Lawyers are mercenaries.
A modern day Prussian Army
Selling themselves to the highest bidder.
A corrupt government.
Run by the stupid Rich.
Sorry!
Everyone else must go to jail.
Poverty and jail go together.
This is a failed system.
Our prison system is a failure.
It must be changed.
It is broken.
When we have half the poor people
Guarding the other half of the poor people, in prison.
We are in trouble.
We are all in prison.
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Here's the main culprit for much of the prison overcrowding....brought to us by another "centrist," "conventional wisdom" Democrat. Of course when some A-List celeb, talk-radio star or a prominent politician gets caught abusing Oxy Contin and goes to the "Promises" treatment facility in Malibu...he/she will be hailed in the media as "brave" for "facing up the to problem." Such people almost never do crack (besides Whitney & Bobbie) so they never have to suffer the harsh consequences if they're caught with their high-end drugs.
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Posted by: just john on Aug 20, 2007 6:34 AM
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The answer is simple: Arrest more white people!
Toward that effort, I have a suggestion: Outlaw Chocolate!
A boost in white participation in our prison system will be a boost to our whole economy!
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Posted by: Jan Raczycki on Aug 20, 2007 6:36 AM
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NOTES ON ALBUM: The title Dark Branches refers to what a prison inmate might see as he gazes out of his cell window. Blackened bars. While making this album I had 3 immediate family members incarcerated about the same time. All for non-violent, mainly drug offenses. They were not innocent, and I don't write this to defend their character, but the world of the corporate run prison is far more sinister. in this country, prisons has evolved into a very sterile form of torture. When you have a prison run for PROFIT - it becomes evident that the focus is not to punish, rehabilitate, and release citizens with a new perspective on life, void of crime, but merely to maximize profit. U.S. prisons are cash making revolving doors, with more prisoners and repeat offenders than any other country in the world. Prisons must make money. You do that by giving lengthy sentences to those who can least defend themselves, the poor and unprivileged.
But, what'a you say? Some people really do deserve to be behind bars. People who take without regard - be it money, people's possessions...someone else's life. Sure there are those without the capacity to be a part of our modern society. But, we also have incredible wealth in this land. A certain few making ridiculous amounts of money on the backs of others. We also have incredible poverty in this land. People who work 2 jobs and still can't afford basic heath insurance. And we know life doesn't often flow the direction we'd like. People get caught up in crime usually as a result of not having the right social tools and opportunities when they need it. But citizens, under their own recognizance, who get high or get caught with dope and are not endangering anybody but themselves are not part of the same criminal makeup as the fore mentioned. And this is where a good bulk of the prisoners stand. Repeat drug offenders.
THE TITLE TRACK - DARK BRANCHES, is about a prisoner. He comes into the system as a young offender, booked on petty crimes. He comes from abject poverty. A place where little opportunity has presented itself. Incarcerated, he refines the only tools he has ever known to work for him - fear and intimidation. And he'll need them to survive in prison. He learns to walk the walk and evolves into a leader among inmates. He earns parole, handles his business on the outside and is welcomed back behind bars. He is a grand criminal, a repeat offender and the corporate prison's best customer.
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Ever notice how the only people being arrested and put in the paddy wagon are trailer people, homeless, lower-income blue collar types?
I'm not a regular watcher of the show, just come across it now and then when flipping channels.
Watching the show, I imagine all the middle-class types feeling all smug about how it's "those" people who ever get arrested.
Do you ever think that "Cops" will ever show a SWAT team breaking down the door of some upscale Manhattan apartment to arrest that corporate inside trader? Or dramatically chasing and throwing to the ground that CEO corporate polluter?
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Posted by: saml on Aug 20, 2007 6:53 AM
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1. European countries are much more homogeneous and that tends to reduce crime.
2. In parts of European cities that have large concentration (% wise) of immigrants - crimes rates are comparable to US
3. Europe has tighter gun control laws
4. US is unique in it's multi cultural variety. And if one were to look at crime stats of more homogeneous middle America one would find them much lower then in port cities.
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Posted by: Axiom69 on Aug 20, 2007 7:37 AM
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The real problem lies with the prisons themselves. Everyone that deals drugs knows they risk getting caught and going to prison. They do it anyway because it's profitable and they don't fear prison. Our prisons are so lax compared to alot of other countries. If imprisoned in China for drug dealing, would you expect cable t.v., a basketball court, weight room, internet access and congigal visits?
Some will argue for legalization of drugs. If and when that happens we can let all the drug dealers out. Until then what do we do with law breakers if we don't lock them up? Give them job training so they can get a minimum wage job where it takes them a month to earn the same amount of money it took a few hours to make when dealing? I don't have the right answer but neither does anyone else. Until someone comes up with a better solution prison is the only answer for law breakers.
On another note I find it hard to believe that we have a quarter of the worlds prisoners. Especially when China has over a billion people and you can get locked up for crtisizing the government. Imagine if that were the case here. There would be no Alternet because everyone would be in jail. :)
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The LA Times reported yesterday on the nasty police habit of arresting homeless people for jaywalking, to make it easier to lock them up later.
The drug laws are equally as crazy as any other state, and maybe worse, but the worst thing is that "three strikes" law. There are people in prison FOR LIFE in California for shoplifting. Seriously.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 20, 2007 8:40 AM
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Prisons never worked the way we hoped. The convicts who avoid returning probably never belonged in jail to begin with. Using jail to threaten people works in reverse: after a first time in jail, the imagined fear of jail is lifted.
Prison is our society's garbage dump: out of sight, out of mind. We do not want to be bothered by someone who breaks a law--even while we all do it and manage not to get caught.
But have you paid any attention to the increasing comparisons of today with the Roaring 20s? Before then, the US had little organized crime until Prohibition provided an income. It has come clear to me that one of the consistent strains of conservatism is the need to revisit failed policies from our past. When we make the same mistakes over and over again (as we are today repeating the mistakes of empire) the conservatives are in charge. "Progressive" means learning from our mistakes.
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Posted by: vomeggido on Aug 20, 2007 8:43 AM
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Its is hard to believe such a place exists in reality. Jail is so severe and the preferential treatment is offered to celebrities and get this- the worst offenders get treated better!!! I kid you not. Murderers and rapists are treated better by the officer than non-violent criminals (DUI's, drug dealers, probation violators).
Life in jail is definitely surreal- it is like a different world. Many of the officers on are amphetamine (probably because of the double and triple shifts they pull) and the hierarchy within the system rewards the most abhorrent of behavior- and whats worse is lunatics are running the asylum- the trustee's positions (which include perks such as free phone calls, real food, cigarettes, drugs and almost whatever you want including visits home and real hospitalization if you get sick!).
These trustee positions are generally given to inmates who return quite often (because the deputies and seargents know them better). These criminal trustee's make you pay for everything from a decent bunk, to a less violent dorm, clothing, commissary and medical treatment! I have personally witness guys with hepatitis so bad there eyes are orange and skin is dark yellow wait for months to see the doctor or weeks suffering staph infection to see the doctors.
And God help you if you call or cooperate with the ACLU. I witnessed inmates get the beating of their lives for even talking with the ACLU or filing a grievance form.
Deputies will conduct surprise toss-ups where they enter the dorm and destroy belongings and commissary items- but they enter with riot gear and pepper spray. All the commissary items get swept up by trustees and distributed to other dorms. This happens once every two weeks at minimum.
Most people (and I had money) spend $125.00 per week for commissary food items (necessary to survive because the food provided is inedible). Only to lose it in a toss-up inspection- and the deputies will plant contra-band evidence making the toss-up legal.
Then you fill out another commissary form and spend another $125.00.
Guess who owns the commissary contract?
That's right, none other than sheriff Lee Baca's daughter owns the company which takes in millions of dollars each year!!
This is all true people. Many first time offenders are turned into professional criminals. The prison and jail system are designed to create more criminals. There is no rehabilitation whatsoever.
The human cruelty I witnessed was beyond comprehension.
And they don't give two fucks to Sunday, what you think or what I think.
These evil fuckers are going to rot in the earth when they die- there is no way they will reincarnate into anything other than what they are- monstrous wastes of skin. The deputies and sargents with few exceptions are complete fascist pigs. Its truly like a concentration camp.
You have no idea until you meet one of them on the inside and they look at you in the eye and you suddenly realize- you mean nothing to them. They do not look, act or speak to you like a human being- but they do the opposite to killers and rapists- its grossly amazing and truly frightening.
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To try to answer yes to whether you're rehabilitated won't set you free. On the other hand, to stand up to the flawed system nonviolently of course will set you FREE.
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There would be basic classes in reading and writing and American Government. They would have excellent medical and dental care.
They would have organic prison gardens and learn how to grow and cook their own food. It would be a vegerarian diet. No TV- but they could watch educational films. No tobacco allowed!
I do not think that a skilled tradesman, who builds homes for the poor, who can read well and is healthy-and has pride in himself-is a big crime risk.
Early one morning I watched a young black man buy a pack of cigarettes, a bottle of beer, and a candy bar. He sat in his car and consumed that for breakfast.
He may as well have taken drugs. He did in fact. Pure sugar and nicotine. How could he possibly make wise decisions on what to do after that?
Ancient Hawaiians had a system that if you harmed a member of a family-you worked off your debt to that family. They did not have prisons.
Private prisons are slavery. If society takes a person's freedom-society has no right to make money on that. Because we then set up a system where putting people in prison is PROFITABLE.
Prisons are just a reflection on our larger society. Poor people are in prison. I no longer think it is possible to have a just society where there are rich and poor.
I hope Michael Moore is right- and things are going to get better soon. I don't see it myself. I don't see any change for the good happening outside of Revolution.
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It would be informative to correlate the number of drop-outs in the prison poulation. In the overcrowded underfunded schools structural violence is practices with wild abandon, supported as it were by numbing testing and a jobsJobsJOBS only curriculum. This sturctural violence finds it's apothosis in the highly regimented highly fragmented world of the prison. I heard awhile ago that the plan prison construction by looking at the third grade population numbers, a completely heartless form of public management.
The problem of disease, lousy/non-existent preventative health care, and free labor for giant corporations in the prison environment has made prisons into truly horrifying places.
Apparently Americans, wholesome and good as we all are, have decided that millions of Americans deserve to be slaves worked to death. Another great milestone for the USA.
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It would be informative to correlate the number of high school drop-outs in the prison population. In the overcrowded underfunded schools structural violence is practiced with wild abandon, supported as it were by numbing testing and a jobsJobsJOBS only curriculum. This sturctural violence finds it's apotheosis in the highly regimented highly fragmented world of the prison. I heard awhile ago that prison construction was planned by looking at the third grade population numbers, a completely heartless form of public management.
With the lack of real jobs in a faltering economy supporting only the ultra-rich, prison is becoming more and more a part of the normal pattern of life and growth for young Americans. The horror of disease, lousy/non-existent preventative health care, and free labor for giant corporations in the prison environment has made prisons into truly horrifying places.
Apparently Americans, wholesome and good as we all are, have decided that millions of Americans deserve to be slaves worked to death. Another great milestone for the USA.
And then there is prison as the only place for those tortured into madness, like Jose Padilla, the only place where someone so dehumanized and psychologically ripped can find a home....who's next?
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 20, 2007 2:38 PM
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The same tax dollars but with different priorities and different societal empowerments and reflections.
The current situation was decades in the making and will be decades in the undoing...
ever wonder why the US is so violent?...
ever wonder how it got so bad?
ever wonder how it became trendy and stylish?
ever wonder how to reverse this Gangsta trend?
ever wonder how greed and glamor became more than honor and history?
ever wonder why criminal types while not so smart are so much more brazen?...
I challenge all to look at the prison statistics, at what the root causes are of prison populations.
Then look at amending laws to correct any that may contribute to any future lawlessness.
By ending prohibitions and replacing the current black market suppliers with a government controlled supply system, you will not only prevent future criminality but will starve organized criminal and terrorist organizations of currency and manpower for their future criminal activities...
END PROHIBITIONS AND TAX THESE CURRENTLY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES
TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE BLACK MARKET SUPPLY SYSTEM.
The HUGE savings to the Tax base by ammending the laws and practices will be immediate, fewer prisons mean fewer prisoners meaning less policing requirements meaning less policing costs to the tax base... while at the same time having funding available for education, health care, social services and infrastructure. [and in reducing taxes]
its just a thought.
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Posted by: H_H on Aug 20, 2007 3:11 PM
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Not co-opted: so-called "feminists" have a lot in common with the religious right. Think about it:
Both of them are against pornography.
Both of them are pro-censorship for stuff that "offends" them.
They both believe in devils: either in the form of Satan or in the form of men in general.
They both think harsh punishment is the best way to deal with crimes (the crimes of OTHERS, but not their own...)
They both think science and logic can't be trusted (science is either a trick of the devil or a trick of men to oppress women)
Neither of them would really argue with whether or not women should be first to get off a sinking ship.
They both use mythology as central tenets of faith: (that the earth was created in 7 days or that all history has been a continuous tale of men hurting women...)
They both see the past as being a golden age: whether it's the garden of Eden (Bible), or as ancient matriarchies that were conquered by eeeevil men. (Marija Gimbutas)
I bet I could name 4 or 5 more.
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Posted by: davesilvan on Aug 20, 2007 3:16 PM
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Then at college I saw all sorts of fights break out at parties when people were drinking, but when I saw people smoking pot, they went on to play video games, listen to music, or even study. It really opened my eyes, and I saw that my own government was lying to me.
Then I was offered 'shrooms, and they weren't nearly as bad as alcohol either. Then the same with cocaine; none of these illegal drugs makes a stumbly-wumbly fool out of you the way alcohol can and too often does.
So I did tons of research, and found exactly what I expected: 'marijuana' was outlawed because 'those dirty mexicans take two puffs off a marijuana cigarette and imagine they've just been elected president and set out to kill all their opponents.'
Then I found out about opium and how 'those chinees are luring OUR white women into their drug dens and seducing them!'
And cocaine was blamed on 'crazy negroids.'
What I found to be the truth tho was that Big Pharma was in it's early stages after 1900, and these natural drugs were being outlawed so people would be forced to buy the synthetic pharmaceuticals that these companies were researching.
And it makes me sick.
"In 1995, African-Americans made up 13 percent of the [US] population and 15 percent of all drug users, yet they comprised 33 percent of people arrested, 53 percent of those convicted and 74 percent of those sentenced to prison for drug possession." - Marc Mauer, 'Race to Incarcerate,' "In These Times," November 1999
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The Mechanisms of Economic Inequality are not an accident and a for-profit Prison-Industrial Complex is not an accident.
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Posted by: may261989 on Aug 20, 2007 5:12 PM
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Outside of the third world there is nowhere else like this in the world.
Nobody in America heard of the old adage: Poverty breeds crime?
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You're a little late to the party. Do something! As the bumper sticker says: If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.
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Look people. I know you all want to be the first to prove that your negative prognostications are the real thing and you look at everything in two dimensions. But really. The problem of too many people in jail isn't a Republican, Democrat or "Progressive" thing. If you want to blame the system, blame modern liberalism.
Modern liberal dictates and philosophies influence people to believe that they are owed something and that they should be allowed to do whatever they wish without consequences. This liberal mindset further injects huge doses of class envy and trivializes crime because it's the poor getting even with the rich and that Robin Hood mentality is justified.
So the problem isn't with the dip shits in the ghetto who think that pimping and selling dope is the way to the top, the problem is honest hard working people who have made their hard work pay off for them. The fact that they might be a Christian especially bothers liberals even more.
Let's let the criminals run free and lock ourselves up. That would solve a lot.
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The law and order crowd gives fat contracts to private prison firms, based on number of prisoners. More prisoners, more money, more new prisons...and on and on.
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[The following link is to the article:
PRISON RAPE -- IT'S NO JOKE Pat Nolan Washington Times September 6, 2002
www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020906-70623422.htm
Prison rape is not funny Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 17, 2007 2:28 PM] excerpt:
Some who suffer through brutal rapes become predators themselves, both in prison and after their release, subjecting other innocent victims to the same degradation that they experienced. Or they vent their rage in other acts of violence, often racially motivated. One example is the tragic story of James Byrd, the black man who was picked up by three white supremacists, beaten, chained to the back of their pickup truck and dragged for three miles to his death.One of his assailants was John William King, a burglar who had recently been
released after serving a three-year sentence in one of Texas' toughest prisons. When King arrived at the prison, a group of white supremacists reportedly conspired with the guards to place King in the "black" section of the prison. At just 140 pounds, King was unable to defend himself against a group of black prisoners who repeatedly gang-raped him. This was exactly what the white power gang wanted. Filled with hatred, King was easily recruited into their group for protection. Over
the remainder of his sentence, they filled King's head full of hatred for blacks. When he was released, John King unleashed that pent-up hatred on James Byrd. The gang-rapes he endured in prison are no excuse for his murder of James Byrd, but they certainly help us understand what could lead him to hate so much.
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Aug 21, 2007 12:07 PM
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They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and end this madness.
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Posted by: wandafish on Aug 21, 2007 2:17 PM
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Yet the basic concept of incarceration and the criminal-justice system has not changed much over the centuries. Globally prisons are still used to isolate the "problem makers" and in many countries we still have an extraordinary system of legal murder called "capital punishment".
While we in Australia did away with capital punishment 40 years ago, there are still a number of right wing rednecks here who regularly call for the death penalty to be brough back. Socety everywhere seems to have a knack for focusing on the anger and revenge rather than addressing the root cause of crime.
It is not surprising that we have people who steal in a world where the top ten percent of income earners have more money than half of humanity. While some of us are obscenely wealthy, many more of us are desperately poor, starving, without homes, or even without countries as refugees. The world (and this includes the United States) cannot sustain the growing inequity and as the author of the prison article indicates, eventually the system will collapse and we will be forced to create something new.
However, the problem with that is the inevitable chos and lawlessness that will follow. After Bastille Day, France went through several years of anarchy and social disorder (something the French don't like to talk about today).
The wiser appraoch would be to address the problems that lead to drugs, theft, and even murder. Lawlessness is a symptom of a deeply disturbed and unhappy society where materialism, and obsession with wealth, has smothered our global soul. Unfortunately the majority of religious leaders are making the problem worse, and dividing humanity with intolerance, prejudice, and unthinking righteousness.
There is a new group called the Global Elders who are attempting to influence humanity's direction and future in a more sustainable way. Let us hope that they show our leaders a better way forward.
I think we will know if we are on the right path once we start to find more positive alternatives to the archaic system of locking up people and throwing away the key.
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Posted by: mom'z the word on Aug 22, 2007 5:23 PM
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I really do not know the stats but I am guessing you could count the numbers on your hand. There is a distinction in our judicial system. Civil and criminal. In criminal cases where penal codes, trespass, theft, assault, battery, etc are violated the remedy is incarceration. In civil cases, where civil codes, fraud, breach of contract, unlawful detainers, debt, or anything to do with money the remedy is usually tit for tat with a little extra tat for the trouble and time lost.
When American was just beginning many people escaped to the new world from England. One of the reasons was England regarded the inability to pay on a debt as criminal activity. That meant if you could not pay your bills or debt you were sent to prison. The family of the prisoner of course with no means or way of earning a living or repaying the debt became destitute and were a further burden on society. Society in an effort to speed their demise ignored their dire situation and many died of neglect, hunger, exposure and disease. Children were 'humanely' sent off to the workhouses to live a life of servitude. Free labor.
America was different. We mandated in our Constitution that we shall never be a debtor prison society by establishing a civil and criminal code whereby persons who violated another persons right to be free and safe from harm was removed from the general public by incarceration. And then on the other hand, civil non-violent, ‘white collar’ crimes were remedied in a more civilized manner such as the returning of the goods plus a little extra for the pain of it all.
I think the nightmare of our criminal system is that we have criminalized and made economic inequality a crime. By declaring war on poverty we have declared war on human beings who’s only crime is not being rich. Rich people don’t go to jail because it is not a crime in America to be rich. We have co-mingled the civil and criminal codes and in so doing have become a debtor society in the process. I don’t think it matters as much what color, size, shape, or religion you are but what matters most is your economic status.
The richest country in the world can afford, as did England in its heyday, to get rid of anything that doesn’t fit into the “richest” category. I think this is why we are exterminating innocence poor people and condemning more poor people to a life in prison as a way of getting rid of them. America’s rich can spend money covering up problems. One thing this country is seriously lacking and what I believe the 9th Amendment is all about is to duly established and mandate economic equality as a right. I think such a right would be a vast improvement over our present status as the largest jailer of poor people in the world.
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As an example, the U.S. Army, under Army Regulation 210-35, has established the "Civilian Inmate Labor Program," as of 14 January 2005.
www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf
The fascists have created an octopus with tentacles in every aspect of our lives.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/George_Seldes/
Facts_Fascism_TGSR.html
We must understand the meaning of Fascism. Third World Traveller has an excerpt from a George Seldes piece that defines Fascism well:
"...The time will come when people will not believe it was possible to mobilize 10,800,030 Americans to fight Fascism and not tell them the truth about the enemy. And yet, this is exactly what happened in our country in the Global War.
"The Office of War Information published millions of words, thousands of pamphlets, posters and other material, most of it very valuable and all of it intended to inspire the people and raise the morale of the soldiers of production and the soldiers of the field; but it is also a fact that to the date of this writing the OWl did not publish a single pamphlet, poster, broadside or paper telling either the civilian population or the men and women in uniform what Fascism really is, what the forces are behind the political and military movements generally known as Fascism, who puts up the money, who make the tremendous profits which Fascism has paid its backers in Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain and other nations.
"Certainly when it comes to relating foreign Fascism with native American Fascism there is a conspiracy of silence in which the OWl, the American press, and all the forces of reaction in America are united. Outside of a few books, a few pamphlets, and a few articles in the very small independent weekly press which reaches only a few thousand readers, not one word on this subject has been printed, and not one word has been heard over any of the big commercial radio stations...."
"...The real Fascists of America are never named in the commercial press. It will not even hint at the fact that there are many powerful elements working against a greater democracy, against an America without discrimination based on race, color and creed, an America where never again will one third of the people be without sufficient food, clothing and shelter, where never again will there be millions unemployed and many more millions working for semi-starvation wages while the DuPont, Ford, Hearst, Mellon and Rockefeller Empires move into the billions of dollars...."
So, to answer the question, "How did our prison system become such a nightmare?," I suspect our prison system became such a nightmare because the fascists have refined their methods of propaganda/control to the extent that they have created a privatized, for profit concentration camp/labor camp system whereby they extract cheap or even free labor, i.e., the capitalist's wet dream.
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There has been talk of enlisting prisoners for military service, but many of the incarcerated aren't violent criminals. We all know that. That would be one way for the hard up Pentagon to find manpower, but that's not going to happen.
California has a well-funded corrections union and if there's any talk about reducing a sentence for non-violent drug offenders, it gets shot down. But as we have seen in the news, if you can afford an expensive rehab stay in Malibu, you can avoid jail time. Many of the state's inmates can't afford that $25,000+ luxurious "spa" stint along the Pacific Coast.
In order to change our attitude about crime and punishment and punitive retribution, we need to ask ourselves are we mortgaging the future in just to say we aren't soft on crime, and this should include a philosophical dialogue on legalizing drugs.
It's amazing that this state seemingly comes up short each year to build new schools but has the money to build high tech Abu Gharibs. Yeah, right: there's a profit to be made. If you're young and have no marketable job skills and can't afford a college education, have we got a place for you!
The current system sets us up for failure. We cannot maintain this current incarceration pace without having a long-lasting consequence for the next generation; many inmates are "outsourced" to other states making the corrections industry one of the state's leading exports.
So when or where will this madness end? When will we say it's time to make changes in order to alleviate the crowding and the violent confortations behind bars? If we don't change our attitudes expect the next revolution to start inside our gulags, not in our universities or by our government.
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 20, 2007 2:53 AM
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In other words if you rape a girl it might cost you 1 year in jail.
But if it could cost you 8 or 10 years it is worth killing and get rid of the body.
Since alcohol(a hard drug) is normal, in Western Europe smoking marihuana is no crime.
I think the Rich in America knowing their criminal attitude towards mankind will use all technics to surpress the goodwilling but naiv citizens.
communication with fellow human beeings make time more worth living than constantly stressing for an extra bit of profit.
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When Jim Crow laws came to an end, the modern justice system replaced it. As long as there are laws on the books that target particular groups without mentioning those groups, the incarceration rate will continue to expand.
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Posted by: williameon on Aug 20, 2007 4:36 AM
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That puts people into jail
Instead of providing an education and getting them jobs.
The most lawyers and inmates.
In the world.
Another bad thing we are number one in.
It goes hand in hand.
As long as one fraternity ‘lawyers’ running this country into the ground
For their Cor‘pirate’ masters
We are in trouble.
Lawyers are mercenaries.
A modern day Prussian Army
Selling themselves to the highest bidder.
A corrupt government.
Run by the stupid Rich.
Sorry!
Everyone else must go to jail.
Poverty and jail go together.
This is a failed system.
Our prison system is a failure.
It must be changed.
It is broken.
When we have half the poor people
Guarding the other half of the poor people, in prison.
We are in trouble.
We are all in prison.
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Here's the main culprit for much of the prison overcrowding....brought to us by another "centrist," "conventional wisdom" Democrat. Of course when some A-List celeb, talk-radio star or a prominent politician gets caught abusing Oxy Contin and goes to the "Promises" treatment facility in Malibu...he/she will be hailed in the media as "brave" for "facing up the to problem." Such people almost never do crack (besides Whitney & Bobbie) so they never have to suffer the harsh consequences if they're caught with their high-end drugs.
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Posted by: just john on Aug 20, 2007 6:34 AM
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The answer is simple: Arrest more white people!
Toward that effort, I have a suggestion: Outlaw Chocolate!
A boost in white participation in our prison system will be a boost to our whole economy!
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NOTES ON ALBUM: The title Dark Branches refers to what a prison inmate might see as he gazes out of his cell window. Blackened bars. While making this album I had 3 immediate family members incarcerated about the same time. All for non-violent, mainly drug offenses. They were not innocent, and I don't write this to defend their character, but the world of the corporate run prison is far more sinister. in this country, prisons has evolved into a very sterile form of torture. When you have a prison run for PROFIT - it becomes evident that the focus is not to punish, rehabilitate, and release citizens with a new perspective on life, void of crime, but merely to maximize profit. U.S. prisons are cash making revolving doors, with more prisoners and repeat offenders than any other country in the world. Prisons must make money. You do that by giving lengthy sentences to those who can least defend themselves, the poor and unprivileged.
But, what'a you say? Some people really do deserve to be behind bars. People who take without regard - be it money, people's possessions...someone else's life. Sure there are those without the capacity to be a part of our modern society. But, we also have incredible wealth in this land. A certain few making ridiculous amounts of money on the backs of others. We also have incredible poverty in this land. People who work 2 jobs and still can't afford basic heath insurance. And we know life doesn't often flow the direction we'd like. People get caught up in crime usually as a result of not having the right social tools and opportunities when they need it. But citizens, under their own recognizance, who get high or get caught with dope and are not endangering anybody but themselves are not part of the same criminal makeup as the fore mentioned. And this is where a good bulk of the prisoners stand. Repeat drug offenders.
THE TITLE TRACK - DARK BRANCHES, is about a prisoner. He comes into the system as a young offender, booked on petty crimes. He comes from abject poverty. A place where little opportunity has presented itself. Incarcerated, he refines the only tools he has ever known to work for him - fear and intimidation. And he'll need them to survive in prison. He learns to walk the walk and evolves into a leader among inmates. He earns parole, handles his business on the outside and is welcomed back behind bars. He is a grand criminal, a repeat offender and the corporate prison's best customer.
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Ever notice how the only people being arrested and put in the paddy wagon are trailer people, homeless, lower-income blue collar types?
I'm not a regular watcher of the show, just come across it now and then when flipping channels.
Watching the show, I imagine all the middle-class types feeling all smug about how it's "those" people who ever get arrested.
Do you ever think that "Cops" will ever show a SWAT team breaking down the door of some upscale Manhattan apartment to arrest that corporate inside trader? Or dramatically chasing and throwing to the ground that CEO corporate polluter?
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1. European countries are much more homogeneous and that tends to reduce crime.
2. In parts of European cities that have large concentration (% wise) of immigrants - crimes rates are comparable to US
3. Europe has tighter gun control laws
4. US is unique in it's multi cultural variety. And if one were to look at crime stats of more homogeneous middle America one would find them much lower then in port cities.
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The real problem lies with the prisons themselves. Everyone that deals drugs knows they risk getting caught and going to prison. They do it anyway because it's profitable and they don't fear prison. Our prisons are so lax compared to alot of other countries. If imprisoned in China for drug dealing, would you expect cable t.v., a basketball court, weight room, internet access and congigal visits?
Some will argue for legalization of drugs. If and when that happens we can let all the drug dealers out. Until then what do we do with law breakers if we don't lock them up? Give them job training so they can get a minimum wage job where it takes them a month to earn the same amount of money it took a few hours to make when dealing? I don't have the right answer but neither does anyone else. Until someone comes up with a better solution prison is the only answer for law breakers.
On another note I find it hard to believe that we have a quarter of the worlds prisoners. Especially when China has over a billion people and you can get locked up for crtisizing the government. Imagine if that were the case here. There would be no Alternet because everyone would be in jail. :)
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The LA Times reported yesterday on the nasty police habit of arresting homeless people for jaywalking, to make it easier to lock them up later.
The drug laws are equally as crazy as any other state, and maybe worse, but the worst thing is that "three strikes" law. There are people in prison FOR LIFE in California for shoplifting. Seriously.
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Prisons never worked the way we hoped. The convicts who avoid returning probably never belonged in jail to begin with. Using jail to threaten people works in reverse: after a first time in jail, the imagined fear of jail is lifted.
Prison is our society's garbage dump: out of sight, out of mind. We do not want to be bothered by someone who breaks a law--even while we all do it and manage not to get caught.
But have you paid any attention to the increasing comparisons of today with the Roaring 20s? Before then, the US had little organized crime until Prohibition provided an income. It has come clear to me that one of the consistent strains of conservatism is the need to revisit failed policies from our past. When we make the same mistakes over and over again (as we are today repeating the mistakes of empire) the conservatives are in charge. "Progressive" means learning from our mistakes.
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Its is hard to believe such a place exists in reality. Jail is so severe and the preferential treatment is offered to celebrities and get this- the worst offenders get treated better!!! I kid you not. Murderers and rapists are treated better by the officer than non-violent criminals (DUI's, drug dealers, probation violators).
Life in jail is definitely surreal- it is like a different world. Many of the officers on are amphetamine (probably because of the double and triple shifts they pull) and the hierarchy within the system rewards the most abhorrent of behavior- and whats worse is lunatics are running the asylum- the trustee's positions (which include perks such as free phone calls, real food, cigarettes, drugs and almost whatever you want including visits home and real hospitalization if you get sick!).
These trustee positions are generally given to inmates who return quite often (because the deputies and seargents know them better). These criminal trustee's make you pay for everything from a decent bunk, to a less violent dorm, clothing, commissary and medical treatment! I have personally witness guys with hepatitis so bad there eyes are orange and skin is dark yellow wait for months to see the doctor or weeks suffering staph infection to see the doctors.
And God help you if you call or cooperate with the ACLU. I witnessed inmates get the beating of their lives for even talking with the ACLU or filing a grievance form.
Deputies will conduct surprise toss-ups where they enter the dorm and destroy belongings and commissary items- but they enter with riot gear and pepper spray. All the commissary items get swept up by trustees and distributed to other dorms. This happens once every two weeks at minimum.
Most people (and I had money) spend $125.00 per week for commissary food items (necessary to survive because the food provided is inedible). Only to lose it in a toss-up inspection- and the deputies will plant contra-band evidence making the toss-up legal.
Then you fill out another commissary form and spend another $125.00.
Guess who owns the commissary contract?
That's right, none other than sheriff Lee Baca's daughter owns the company which takes in millions of dollars each year!!
This is all true people. Many first time offenders are turned into professional criminals. The prison and jail system are designed to create more criminals. There is no rehabilitation whatsoever.
The human cruelty I witnessed was beyond comprehension.
And they don't give two fucks to Sunday, what you think or what I think.
These evil fuckers are going to rot in the earth when they die- there is no way they will reincarnate into anything other than what they are- monstrous wastes of skin. The deputies and sargents with few exceptions are complete fascist pigs. Its truly like a concentration camp.
You have no idea until you meet one of them on the inside and they look at you in the eye and you suddenly realize- you mean nothing to them. They do not look, act or speak to you like a human being- but they do the opposite to killers and rapists- its grossly amazing and truly frightening.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtwXlIwozog
To try to answer yes to whether you're rehabilitated won't set you free. On the other hand, to stand up to the flawed system nonviolently of course will set you FREE.
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There would be basic classes in reading and writing and American Government. They would have excellent medical and dental care.
They would have organic prison gardens and learn how to grow and cook their own food. It would be a vegerarian diet. No TV- but they could watch educational films. No tobacco allowed!
I do not think that a skilled tradesman, who builds homes for the poor, who can read well and is healthy-and has pride in himself-is a big crime risk.
Early one morning I watched a young black man buy a pack of cigarettes, a bottle of beer, and a candy bar. He sat in his car and consumed that for breakfast.
He may as well have taken drugs. He did in fact. Pure sugar and nicotine. How could he possibly make wise decisions on what to do after that?
Ancient Hawaiians had a system that if you harmed a member of a family-you worked off your debt to that family. They did not have prisons.
Private prisons are slavery. If society takes a person's freedom-society has no right to make money on that. Because we then set up a system where putting people in prison is PROFITABLE.
Prisons are just a reflection on our larger society. Poor people are in prison. I no longer think it is possible to have a just society where there are rich and poor.
I hope Michael Moore is right- and things are going to get better soon. I don't see it myself. I don't see any change for the good happening outside of Revolution.
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Posted by: applepie on Aug 20, 2007 1:27 PM
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It would be informative to correlate the number of drop-outs in the prison poulation. In the overcrowded underfunded schools structural violence is practices with wild abandon, supported as it were by numbing testing and a jobsJobsJOBS only curriculum. This sturctural violence finds it's apothosis in the highly regimented highly fragmented world of the prison. I heard awhile ago that the plan prison construction by looking at the third grade population numbers, a completely heartless form of public management.
The problem of disease, lousy/non-existent preventative health care, and free labor for giant corporations in the prison environment has made prisons into truly horrifying places.
Apparently Americans, wholesome and good as we all are, have decided that millions of Americans deserve to be slaves worked to death. Another great milestone for the USA.
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Posted by: applepie on Aug 20, 2007 1:39 PM
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It would be informative to correlate the number of high school drop-outs in the prison population. In the overcrowded underfunded schools structural violence is practiced with wild abandon, supported as it were by numbing testing and a jobsJobsJOBS only curriculum. This sturctural violence finds it's apotheosis in the highly regimented highly fragmented world of the prison. I heard awhile ago that prison construction was planned by looking at the third grade population numbers, a completely heartless form of public management.
With the lack of real jobs in a faltering economy supporting only the ultra-rich, prison is becoming more and more a part of the normal pattern of life and growth for young Americans. The horror of disease, lousy/non-existent preventative health care, and free labor for giant corporations in the prison environment has made prisons into truly horrifying places.
Apparently Americans, wholesome and good as we all are, have decided that millions of Americans deserve to be slaves worked to death. Another great milestone for the USA.
And then there is prison as the only place for those tortured into madness, like Jose Padilla, the only place where someone so dehumanized and psychologically ripped can find a home....who's next?
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 20, 2007 2:38 PM
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The same tax dollars but with different priorities and different societal empowerments and reflections.
The current situation was decades in the making and will be decades in the undoing...
ever wonder why the US is so violent?...
ever wonder how it got so bad?
ever wonder how it became trendy and stylish?
ever wonder how to reverse this Gangsta trend?
ever wonder how greed and glamor became more than honor and history?
ever wonder why criminal types while not so smart are so much more brazen?...
I challenge all to look at the prison statistics, at what the root causes are of prison populations.
Then look at amending laws to correct any that may contribute to any future lawlessness.
By ending prohibitions and replacing the current black market suppliers with a government controlled supply system, you will not only prevent future criminality but will starve organized criminal and terrorist organizations of currency and manpower for their future criminal activities...
END PROHIBITIONS AND TAX THESE CURRENTLY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES
TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE BLACK MARKET SUPPLY SYSTEM.
The HUGE savings to the Tax base by ammending the laws and practices will be immediate, fewer prisons mean fewer prisoners meaning less policing requirements meaning less policing costs to the tax base... while at the same time having funding available for education, health care, social services and infrastructure. [and in reducing taxes]
its just a thought.
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Posted by: H_H on Aug 20, 2007 3:11 PM
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Not co-opted: so-called "feminists" have a lot in common with the religious right. Think about it:
Both of them are against pornography.
Both of them are pro-censorship for stuff that "offends" them.
They both believe in devils: either in the form of Satan or in the form of men in general.
They both think harsh punishment is the best way to deal with crimes (the crimes of OTHERS, but not their own...)
They both think science and logic can't be trusted (science is either a trick of the devil or a trick of men to oppress women)
Neither of them would really argue with whether or not women should be first to get off a sinking ship.
They both use mythology as central tenets of faith: (that the earth was created in 7 days or that all history has been a continuous tale of men hurting women...)
They both see the past as being a golden age: whether it's the garden of Eden (Bible), or as ancient matriarchies that were conquered by eeeevil men. (Marija Gimbutas)
I bet I could name 4 or 5 more.
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Posted by: davesilvan on Aug 20, 2007 3:16 PM
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Then at college I saw all sorts of fights break out at parties when people were drinking, but when I saw people smoking pot, they went on to play video games, listen to music, or even study. It really opened my eyes, and I saw that my own government was lying to me.
Then I was offered 'shrooms, and they weren't nearly as bad as alcohol either. Then the same with cocaine; none of these illegal drugs makes a stumbly-wumbly fool out of you the way alcohol can and too often does.
So I did tons of research, and found exactly what I expected: 'marijuana' was outlawed because 'those dirty mexicans take two puffs off a marijuana cigarette and imagine they've just been elected president and set out to kill all their opponents.'
Then I found out about opium and how 'those chinees are luring OUR white women into their drug dens and seducing them!'
And cocaine was blamed on 'crazy negroids.'
What I found to be the truth tho was that Big Pharma was in it's early stages after 1900, and these natural drugs were being outlawed so people would be forced to buy the synthetic pharmaceuticals that these companies were researching.
And it makes me sick.
"In 1995, African-Americans made up 13 percent of the [US] population and 15 percent of all drug users, yet they comprised 33 percent of people arrested, 53 percent of those convicted and 74 percent of those sentenced to prison for drug possession." - Marc Mauer, 'Race to Incarcerate,' "In These Times," November 1999
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Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 20, 2007 3:38 PM
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The Mechanisms of Economic Inequality are not an accident and a for-profit Prison-Industrial Complex is not an accident.
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Posted by: may261989 on Aug 20, 2007 5:12 PM
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Outside of the third world there is nowhere else like this in the world.
Nobody in America heard of the old adage: Poverty breeds crime?
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Posted by: cmysticism on Aug 20, 2007 6:40 PM
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You're a little late to the party. Do something! As the bumper sticker says: If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.
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Posted by: jritts on Aug 20, 2007 8:10 PM
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Posted by: slydad on Aug 20, 2007 8:55 PM
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Look people. I know you all want to be the first to prove that your negative prognostications are the real thing and you look at everything in two dimensions. But really. The problem of too many people in jail isn't a Republican, Democrat or "Progressive" thing. If you want to blame the system, blame modern liberalism.
Modern liberal dictates and philosophies influence people to believe that they are owed something and that they should be allowed to do whatever they wish without consequences. This liberal mindset further injects huge doses of class envy and trivializes crime because it's the poor getting even with the rich and that Robin Hood mentality is justified.
So the problem isn't with the dip shits in the ghetto who think that pimping and selling dope is the way to the top, the problem is honest hard working people who have made their hard work pay off for them. The fact that they might be a Christian especially bothers liberals even more.
Let's let the criminals run free and lock ourselves up. That would solve a lot.
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Posted by: adp3d on Aug 20, 2007 10:13 PM
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The law and order crowd gives fat contracts to private prison firms, based on number of prisoners. More prisoners, more money, more new prisons...and on and on.
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[The following link is to the article:
PRISON RAPE -- IT'S NO JOKE Pat Nolan Washington Times September 6, 2002
www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020906-70623422.htm
Prison rape is not funny Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 17, 2007 2:28 PM] excerpt:
Some who suffer through brutal rapes become predators themselves, both in prison and after their release, subjecting other innocent victims to the same degradation that they experienced. Or they vent their rage in other acts of violence, often racially motivated. One example is the tragic story of James Byrd, the black man who was picked up by three white supremacists, beaten, chained to the back of their pickup truck and dragged for three miles to his death.One of his assailants was John William King, a burglar who had recently been
released after serving a three-year sentence in one of Texas' toughest prisons. When King arrived at the prison, a group of white supremacists reportedly conspired with the guards to place King in the "black" section of the prison. At just 140 pounds, King was unable to defend himself against a group of black prisoners who repeatedly gang-raped him. This was exactly what the white power gang wanted. Filled with hatred, King was easily recruited into their group for protection. Over
the remainder of his sentence, they filled King's head full of hatred for blacks. When he was released, John King unleashed that pent-up hatred on James Byrd. The gang-rapes he endured in prison are no excuse for his murder of James Byrd, but they certainly help us understand what could lead him to hate so much.
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Aug 21, 2007 12:07 PM
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They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and end this madness.
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Posted by: wandafish on Aug 21, 2007 2:17 PM
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Yet the basic concept of incarceration and the criminal-justice system has not changed much over the centuries. Globally prisons are still used to isolate the "problem makers" and in many countries we still have an extraordinary system of legal murder called "capital punishment".
While we in Australia did away with capital punishment 40 years ago, there are still a number of right wing rednecks here who regularly call for the death penalty to be brough back. Socety everywhere seems to have a knack for focusing on the anger and revenge rather than addressing the root cause of crime.
It is not surprising that we have people who steal in a world where the top ten percent of income earners have more money than half of humanity. While some of us are obscenely wealthy, many more of us are desperately poor, starving, without homes, or even without countries as refugees. The world (and this includes the United States) cannot sustain the growing inequity and as the author of the prison article indicates, eventually the system will collapse and we will be forced to create something new.
However, the problem with that is the inevitable chos and lawlessness that will follow. After Bastille Day, France went through several years of anarchy and social disorder (something the French don't like to talk about today).
The wiser appraoch would be to address the problems that lead to drugs, theft, and even murder. Lawlessness is a symptom of a deeply disturbed and unhappy society where materialism, and obsession with wealth, has smothered our global soul. Unfortunately the majority of religious leaders are making the problem worse, and dividing humanity with intolerance, prejudice, and unthinking righteousness.
There is a new group called the Global Elders who are attempting to influence humanity's direction and future in a more sustainable way. Let us hope that they show our leaders a better way forward.
I think we will know if we are on the right path once we start to find more positive alternatives to the archaic system of locking up people and throwing away the key.
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Posted by: mom'z the word on Aug 22, 2007 5:23 PM
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I really do not know the stats but I am guessing you could count the numbers on your hand. There is a distinction in our judicial system. Civil and criminal. In criminal cases where penal codes, trespass, theft, assault, battery, etc are violated the remedy is incarceration. In civil cases, where civil codes, fraud, breach of contract, unlawful detainers, debt, or anything to do with money the remedy is usually tit for tat with a little extra tat for the trouble and time lost.
When American was just beginning many people escaped to the new world from England. One of the reasons was England regarded the inability to pay on a debt as criminal activity. That meant if you could not pay your bills or debt you were sent to prison. The family of the prisoner of course with no means or way of earning a living or repaying the debt became destitute and were a further burden on society. Society in an effort to speed their demise ignored their dire situation and many died of neglect, hunger, exposure and disease. Children were 'humanely' sent off to the workhouses to live a life of servitude. Free labor.
America was different. We mandated in our Constitution that we shall never be a debtor prison society by establishing a civil and criminal code whereby persons who violated another persons right to be free and safe from harm was removed from the general public by incarceration. And then on the other hand, civil non-violent, ‘white collar’ crimes were remedied in a more civilized manner such as the returning of the goods plus a little extra for the pain of it all.
I think the nightmare of our criminal system is that we have criminalized and made economic inequality a crime. By declaring war on poverty we have declared war on human beings who’s only crime is not being rich. Rich people don’t go to jail because it is not a crime in America to be rich. We have co-mingled the civil and criminal codes and in so doing have become a debtor society in the process. I don’t think it matters as much what color, size, shape, or religion you are but what matters most is your economic status.
The richest country in the world can afford, as did England in its heyday, to get rid of anything that doesn’t fit into the “richest” category. I think this is why we are exterminating innocence poor people and condemning more poor people to a life in prison as a way of getting rid of them. America’s rich can spend money covering up problems. One thing this country is seriously lacking and what I believe the 9th Amendment is all about is to duly established and mandate economic equality as a right. I think such a right would be a vast improvement over our present status as the largest jailer of poor people in the world.
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As an example, the U.S. Army, under Army Regulation 210-35, has established the "Civilian Inmate Labor Program," as of 14 January 2005.
www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf
The fascists have created an octopus with tentacles in every aspect of our lives.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/George_Seldes/
Facts_Fascism_TGSR.html
We must understand the meaning of Fascism. Third World Traveller has an excerpt from a George Seldes piece that defines Fascism well:
"...The time will come when people will not believe it was possible to mobilize 10,800,030 Americans to fight Fascism and not tell them the truth about the enemy. And yet, this is exactly what happened in our country in the Global War.
"The Office of War Information published millions of words, thousands of pamphlets, posters and other material, most of it very valuable and all of it intended to inspire the people and raise the morale of the soldiers of production and the soldiers of the field; but it is also a fact that to the date of this writing the OWl did not publish a single pamphlet, poster, broadside or paper telling either the civilian population or the men and women in uniform what Fascism really is, what the forces are behind the political and military movements generally known as Fascism, who puts up the money, who make the tremendous profits which Fascism has paid its backers in Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain and other nations.
"Certainly when it comes to relating foreign Fascism with native American Fascism there is a conspiracy of silence in which the OWl, the American press, and all the forces of reaction in America are united. Outside of a few books, a few pamphlets, and a few articles in the very small independent weekly press which reaches only a few thousand readers, not one word on this subject has been printed, and not one word has been heard over any of the big commercial radio stations...."
"...The real Fascists of America are never named in the commercial press. It will not even hint at the fact that there are many powerful elements working against a greater democracy, against an America without discrimination based on race, color and creed, an America where never again will one third of the people be without sufficient food, clothing and shelter, where never again will there be millions unemployed and many more millions working for semi-starvation wages while the DuPont, Ford, Hearst, Mellon and Rockefeller Empires move into the billions of dollars...."
So, to answer the question, "How did our prison system become such a nightmare?," I suspect our prison system became such a nightmare because the fascists have refined their methods of propaganda/control to the extent that they have created a privatized, for profit concentration camp/labor camp system whereby they extract cheap or even free labor, i.e., the capitalist's wet dream.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Aug 28, 2007 3:27 PM
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There has been talk of enlisting prisoners for military service, but many of the incarcerated aren't violent criminals. We all know that. That would be one way for the hard up Pentagon to find manpower, but that's not going to happen.
California has a well-funded corrections union and if there's any talk about reducing a sentence for non-violent drug offenders, it gets shot down. But as we have seen in the news, if you can afford an expensive rehab stay in Malibu, you can avoid jail time. Many of the state's inmates can't afford that $25,000+ luxurious "spa" stint along the Pacific Coast.
In order to change our attitude about crime and punishment and punitive retribution, we need to ask ourselves are we mortgaging the future in just to say we aren't soft on crime, and this should include a philosophical dialogue on legalizing drugs.
It's amazing that this state seemingly comes up short each year to build new schools but has the money to build high tech Abu Gharibs. Yeah, right: there's a profit to be made. If you're young and have no marketable job skills and can't afford a college education, have we got a place for you!
The current system sets us up for failure. We cannot maintain this current incarceration pace without having a long-lasting consequence for the next generation; many inmates are "outsourced" to other states making the corrections industry one of the state's leading exports.
So when or where will this madness end? When will we say it's time to make changes in order to alleviate the crowding and the violent confortations behind bars? If we don't change our attitudes expect the next revolution to start inside our gulags, not in our universities or by our government.
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