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More Evidence of Gonzales Perjury Revealed in FBI Director's Notes
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"Director Mueller's notes and recollections concerning the White House visit to the Attorney General's hospital bed confirm an attempt to goad a sick and heavily medicated Ashcroft to approve the warrantless surveillance program," said Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, who requested Mueller's notes last month.
"Particularly disconcerting is the new revelation that the White House sought Mr. Ashcroft's authorization for the surveillance program, yet refused to let him seek the advice he needed on the program.
The heavily redacted notes shed no further light upon other aspects of the controversy, including the Gonzales' much-disputed contention that a surveillance operation distinct from the NSA's warrantless wiretapping program was the source of discord within the Department of Justice
At issue is the truthfulness of Gonzales' testimony last month before the Senate Judiciary Committee during which he recounted a March 10, 2004 visit he and his fellow White House aide Andrew Card paid to Ashcroft and acting Attorney General James Comey at Ashcroft's hospital bedside.
In response to questions from Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), Gonzales insisted that Ashcroft seemed lucid in the hospital, where the White House aides sought his reauthorization of a domestic surveillance program.
"Obviously, there was concern about General Ashcroft's condition," Gonzales told Specter, "and we would not have sought, nor did we intend, to get any approval from General Ashcroft if, in fact, he wasn't fully competent to make that decision."
But Mueller's notes belie that contention. One sentence, in particular, indicates that Ashcroft was anything other than fully competent: "AG in chair; is feeble, barely articulate, clearly stressed."
Mueller divulged the existence of his notes in his own testimony before Conyers' committee on July 26 in an exchange with Rep. Arthur Davis (D-AL). Davis asked Mueller whether he'd taken notes about the March 2004 evening and, if he had, why.
"It was out of the ordinary," Mueller replied.
"What was out of the ordinary Mr. Mueller?" Davis asked.
"Being asked to go to the hospital and be present at that time."
Conyers says he will continue explore both the issue of Ashcroft's health, but that he will also seek unredacted versions of Mueller's notes to clear up still-unclear related issues.
"We intend to fully investigate this incident and the underlying subject matter that evoked such widespread distress within the Department and the FBI. We will be seeking an unredacted copy of Director Mueller's notes covering meetings before and after the hospital visit and expect to receive information from several of the individuals mentioned in the document."
Newly mentioned individuals in Mueller's notes include Vice President Dick Cheney, and then-NSA Director Gen. Michael Hayden, then-Deputy CIA Director John McLaughlin, and then-CIA Director George Tenet.
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Posted by: Blade on Aug 17, 2007 9:33 AM
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When nominated for the head of FBI in 2001, the other two nominees eventually dropped out, and he was unanimously confirmed 90 to 0!
He was the calvary coming to the rescue when called out to cut Gonzales off at the pass, that night at the hospital. I bet Gonzales was plenty surprised, that here he is sent over to muscle the ailing Ashcroft, bless his heart.
Who is in Mueller's corner, now? What's the back story on Mueller? His resume from Wikipedia reads like a movie star hero.
And he's been head of FBI for several years, how's he doing there?
We all owe Mueller and Ashcroft some thanks for standing their ground while Gonzales and Card was doing the muscle thing for Bush on an sick old man.
Wonder if a guy like Mueller would ever seek public office?
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Posted by: wmGreybeard on Aug 17, 2007 9:37 AM
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[ When asked about the decision to fire eight federal prosecutors, Gonzales insisted he wasn't involved, then after e-mails about meetings he attended were released, okay, maybe he was involved. But just a little. Microscopically. An eensy teensy teeny wee bit of a tad. He did admit to making the decision to fire the US Attorneys but couldn't remember when he made the decision. Seems to be a perennial theme with this administration. "Had absolutely nothing to do with it. Oh, you have evidence? Nope. Sorry. Can't remember. Its all a blur." ]
I fear there will be more of the same.
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» RE: emember: - I don't recall, I can't speak about that, that information is classified??
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 17, 2007 12:51 PM
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The president won't fire Alberto Gonzales. He needs him to protect White House secrets, including the scheming roles of Cheney and Rove.
"Omerta (or a code of silence) has become the final bond holding the Bush administration together. Honesty is dishonorable; silence is manly; penitence is weakness. Loyalty trumps law. Protecting higher-ups is patriotism. Stonewalling is idealism. Telling the truth is informing. Cooperation with investigators is cowardice; breaking the code is betrayal. Once the code is shattered, however, no one can be trusted and the entire edifice crumbles."
Now, where are all the 'law-and-order' Republicans who were so prominent just a few years ago? Where are the moral conservatives now? Busy engaging in some 'extracurricular activities' with Bob Allen, Mark Foley and Karl Rove down in Florida?
Remember, Florida citizens - you have your 'stand your ground' law now, so if you see any of these creeps heading for your kids, you can fire at will. It's the law!
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Posted by: BuckFush on Aug 17, 2007 1:54 PM
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9/11 was an inside job, and the Gonzo corruption scandal is just a symptom of the overall disease.
BushCo needed the justice department to be politicized so they could carry out their sinister agendas, including the destruction of the US Constitution by means of a terror stricken, fearful populace.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 17, 2007 3:08 PM
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Posted by: BrokenUSA on Aug 18, 2007 9:04 AM
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This is encompasses Padilla;, warrentless wire tapping & changing up the law for one's benefit.
1) In the case of Padilla (regardless of guilt or innocence), he was at first labeled a "Combative Enemy" with no right to a trial, a lawyer and allowed to be totrtured to get a confession
The charges labled against him were for POTENTIALLY setting off a dirty bomb in the USA. He was held for 2-3 years like this.
When the Supreme court overruled that he was a US Citizen & US Citizens must be given a trial, Those charges were CHANGED to aiding the enemy Overseas and had nothing to do with a dirty bomb plot. (I am NOT contesting that he was found guilty)
What happens to all those years he was held illegally on (possibly..who really knows? ) trumped up charges that were changed once he had to go to a real court of law?
Can anyone be held accountable for being able to whisk any American off the street & held without a lawyer illegally?
2) In the case of warrentless wiretapping of US citizens:
First, The Attorney general said you didn't need FISA to listen to American phone calls.
Then the Upper management of the DOJ ruled that it was ILLEGAL to do so to Americans (This is what lead to Gonzoles trring to get a doped-up Ashcroft to sign off on it in the famous hospital incident). ]
He was shut down but, ON BUSHS' ORDER, they CONTINUNED to do it anyway.
Recently congressioanl idiots just gave that power back to the Administration.
What happens to all those years they were illegally wiretapping Americans ANYWAY?
Can anyone be held accountable for being able to listen in on an American phone call illegally?
IS (or Will) ANYONE EVER be able to be held accountable for acting illegally before a law is changed/redacted?
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Posted by: vomeggido on Aug 20, 2007 9:10 AM
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Are you just hoping it will all work itself out? Still believe the democrats are gonna clean this shit up?
The dems pull out the brooms and dust pans just long enough for you to see they have them, then they toss them back in the supply closet and don't do shit.
If you believe in hope- you're gonna sink to the bottom of the ocean just like everyone else on the Titanic. And you will deserve to be dead at the bottom of the ocean- because it was all right there in front of your face.
You denied it and destroyed your children's chance of freedom and peace because you were too stupid to realize you were being duped- and by the time you figured it out and accepted it- it was too late.
At least die with some dignity.
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Posted by: Jeanne on Aug 20, 2007 5:54 PM
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Posted by: whealeydj on Aug 23, 2007 3:19 PM
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Posted by: Blade on Aug 17, 2007 9:33 AM
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When nominated for the head of FBI in 2001, the other two nominees eventually dropped out, and he was unanimously confirmed 90 to 0!
He was the calvary coming to the rescue when called out to cut Gonzales off at the pass, that night at the hospital. I bet Gonzales was plenty surprised, that here he is sent over to muscle the ailing Ashcroft, bless his heart.
Who is in Mueller's corner, now? What's the back story on Mueller? His resume from Wikipedia reads like a movie star hero.
And he's been head of FBI for several years, how's he doing there?
We all owe Mueller and Ashcroft some thanks for standing their ground while Gonzales and Card was doing the muscle thing for Bush on an sick old man.
Wonder if a guy like Mueller would ever seek public office?
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Posted by: wmGreybeard on Aug 17, 2007 9:37 AM
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[ When asked about the decision to fire eight federal prosecutors, Gonzales insisted he wasn't involved, then after e-mails about meetings he attended were released, okay, maybe he was involved. But just a little. Microscopically. An eensy teensy teeny wee bit of a tad. He did admit to making the decision to fire the US Attorneys but couldn't remember when he made the decision. Seems to be a perennial theme with this administration. "Had absolutely nothing to do with it. Oh, you have evidence? Nope. Sorry. Can't remember. Its all a blur." ]
I fear there will be more of the same.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 17, 2007 12:51 PM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The president won't fire Alberto Gonzales. He needs him to protect White House secrets, including the scheming roles of Cheney and Rove.
"Omerta (or a code of silence) has become the final bond holding the Bush administration together. Honesty is dishonorable; silence is manly; penitence is weakness. Loyalty trumps law. Protecting higher-ups is patriotism. Stonewalling is idealism. Telling the truth is informing. Cooperation with investigators is cowardice; breaking the code is betrayal. Once the code is shattered, however, no one can be trusted and the entire edifice crumbles."
Now, where are all the 'law-and-order' Republicans who were so prominent just a few years ago? Where are the moral conservatives now? Busy engaging in some 'extracurricular activities' with Bob Allen, Mark Foley and Karl Rove down in Florida?
Remember, Florida citizens - you have your 'stand your ground' law now, so if you see any of these creeps heading for your kids, you can fire at will. It's the law!
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Posted by: BuckFush on Aug 17, 2007 1:54 PM
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9/11 was an inside job, and the Gonzo corruption scandal is just a symptom of the overall disease.
BushCo needed the justice department to be politicized so they could carry out their sinister agendas, including the destruction of the US Constitution by means of a terror stricken, fearful populace.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 17, 2007 3:08 PM
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Posted by: BrokenUSA on Aug 18, 2007 9:04 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is encompasses Padilla;, warrentless wire tapping & changing up the law for one's benefit.
1) In the case of Padilla (regardless of guilt or innocence), he was at first labeled a "Combative Enemy" with no right to a trial, a lawyer and allowed to be totrtured to get a confession
The charges labled against him were for POTENTIALLY setting off a dirty bomb in the USA. He was held for 2-3 years like this.
When the Supreme court overruled that he was a US Citizen & US Citizens must be given a trial, Those charges were CHANGED to aiding the enemy Overseas and had nothing to do with a dirty bomb plot. (I am NOT contesting that he was found guilty)
What happens to all those years he was held illegally on (possibly..who really knows? ) trumped up charges that were changed once he had to go to a real court of law?
Can anyone be held accountable for being able to whisk any American off the street & held without a lawyer illegally?
2) In the case of warrentless wiretapping of US citizens:
First, The Attorney general said you didn't need FISA to listen to American phone calls.
Then the Upper management of the DOJ ruled that it was ILLEGAL to do so to Americans (This is what lead to Gonzoles trring to get a doped-up Ashcroft to sign off on it in the famous hospital incident). ]
He was shut down but, ON BUSHS' ORDER, they CONTINUNED to do it anyway.
Recently congressioanl idiots just gave that power back to the Administration.
What happens to all those years they were illegally wiretapping Americans ANYWAY?
Can anyone be held accountable for being able to listen in on an American phone call illegally?
IS (or Will) ANYONE EVER be able to be held accountable for acting illegally before a law is changed/redacted?
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Posted by: vomeggido on Aug 20, 2007 9:10 AM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Are you just hoping it will all work itself out? Still believe the democrats are gonna clean this shit up?
The dems pull out the brooms and dust pans just long enough for you to see they have them, then they toss them back in the supply closet and don't do shit.
If you believe in hope- you're gonna sink to the bottom of the ocean just like everyone else on the Titanic. And you will deserve to be dead at the bottom of the ocean- because it was all right there in front of your face.
You denied it and destroyed your children's chance of freedom and peace because you were too stupid to realize you were being duped- and by the time you figured it out and accepted it- it was too late.
At least die with some dignity.
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Posted by: Jeanne on Aug 20, 2007 5:54 PM
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