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Rights and Liberties

The Gay Presidential Debate: Democratic Contenders Answer to the Queer Community

By E.J. Graff, The Nation. Posted August 10, 2007.


What do the Democratic presidential candidates talk about when they talk about lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender issues? The results are in from the first ever debate sponsored by the LGBT community.
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Last night LOGO, the subscription cable TV channel dedicated to LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) content, broadcast a debate with six Democratic candidates. At the predominantly gay Boston venue Club Cafe, waiting for the debate to start, the small group at my table made a list of issues we wanted to hear discussed -- while around us the noise level got louder and louder, until there was an SRO crowd.

Our little group was annoyed that Melissa Etheridge was among the questioners, and wondered whether there would be some intelligent questions or whether only the M-word would be spoken. "Please," one woman groaned, "let them talk about something besides marriage." Not that there's anything wrong with that.

We're all in favor of full marriage rights; we live in the one state that offers them, and the club was jammed with many of the advocates who ensured that our legislature voted to uphold those marriage rights. But we know where a viable Democratic candidate has to stand -- in favor of full-on civil unions, but "not ready" for marriage -- and so we wanted to hear whether they'd done any homework about any other issues. We made a short list of the issues we wanted discussed, and added a few others for bonus points.

It was a highly annoying format: each candidate sat alone for 15 minutes with the four questioners: Joe Solmonese, who heads the Human Rights Campaign, the largest and most mainstream of the gay rights groups, which co-sponsored the debate; Melissa E., who (in case you didn't know) is not an actual journalist; moderator Margaret Carlson, longtime liberal columnist, formerly at Time magazine, now at Bloomberg News; and Jonathan Capehart, Washington Post editorial page writer.

Obama was up first, poor man, and was pounded with marriage questions, one after another. He's already stated his position: he favors full-on civil unions, with all of civil marriage's rights and responsibilities, but not the word "marriage," since so many people think the word is religious. (See Evan Wolfson's eloquent points on that issue.)

But here's the problem: the senator didn't know how to shift his answers. Any good politician knows how to take a bad question and turn it to better purposes. Not Barack, who got a little testy, repeating his same-old-same-old lines about knowing what it's like to be excluded and noted that, after all, he had mentioned us in "the most important speech of my life" at the Democratic convention. Well, isn't that special. (Melissa tossed him a nerf ball about inclusion, which he caught. Yawn.) Doesn't this man have any lesbian or gay advisors who made sure he'd done his homework? Next!

Next up was John Edwards, who has the rep of being uncomfortable with gay folks. Not last night. He had the easiest possible body language, and even better, no matter what they asked him, he made sure he mentioned yet another important issue. My table kept gasping as he hit every button on our list. He talked about going to the LA Gay and Lesbian Center and talking with kids who were homeless because, after they came out, their parents kicked them out on the street -- and how un-American that was.

He talked about repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell, the military policy that forces lesbian and gay folks in the military to hide their orientation or get kicked out (women are kicked out more often than men). He brilliantly handled the marriage question, opening it up into impressive component parts. He said that, when he first answered said he was for civil unions but against civil marriage, he had been wrong to explain his reasoning via his religion; unlike the current administration, he would never push his religion down the nation's throats.

He explained eloquently, even movingly, that he fully understood why the LGBT community would long for full equality, but that he stood by his civil union position -- and, later, said that presidents don't really make change, that movements made change, and we should all keep up our work. My table understood this as a big wink and nod: you change the country and I'll back you on marriage. We were wowed. And -- still better -- he said he would repeal section 2 of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, which drew a hugely impressed gasp from the crowd, not just for his detailed knowledge, but because that is absolutely the holy grail of what's conceivably politically possible, but would be difficult.


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E.J. Graff is resident scholar at Brandeis Women's Studies Research Center and a senior correspondent at The American Prospect.

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Let's be honest
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 10, 2007 11:53 AM   
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Look, I don't know how cushy your particular life is or how secure you are with yourself or your relationships,but this life is damn hard to go through. To go through it alone is even worse. To have someone you can talk with, relate to, express your true self to without reservation, is the true pinnacle of human relationships. The whole 'Gay Marriage' thing has it's roots with society as a relationship that can't bear children. People think of marriages as a means to perpetuate the species,unless of course you are over 65 and need a 'companion'. GET FREAKING REAL!!!!!!
Any couple who finds they can get through this life better together rather than single is a personal matter. Not some populas rabble rousing.
People should be allowed the right to share their lives with whomever they wish. If they want to call it marriage, domestic partnership, hangout buddies whatever,it does'nt truly matter. What matters is that the people involved are willing to share all that living together implies. Be it wills,insurance,bank accounts,property, whatever. The rules for dividing the partnership should be the same also.
I,personally, am not gay. But I damn sure support their right to wed. What goes on behind closed doors is none of anyone's business. Who anyone marries is no one's business except the folks getting married. If that means an Executive Order allowing folks to marry whoever they wish,same sex or not. I'd write it!! On the first day.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez...it's the only vote that counts

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The "Gay Debate" is a silly monkey
Posted by: Ghoulman on Aug 10, 2007 11:58 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
... it's not important and doesn't affect peoples lives. It's an issue that has no issues (everyone gets Rights, gays too, really, grow up)... but it plays on TV. Especially with Americans who have no problem hating a minority.

After the 2004 gay marriage circus it's clear that the media and Washington have no problem using bigotry for political advancement... like the Nazis did.

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What is wrong with Kucinich
Posted by: sliver on Aug 10, 2007 2:01 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If Kucinich has perfect answers, why would we wasting our votes on him?

That's sloppy and disingenuous journalism to throw that wasted line in there. I didn't watch the other candidates, but I watched Kucinich in that debate, and he was great.

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» RE: What is wrong with Kucinich Posted by: racetoinfinity
You changed my mind
Posted by: tommync1 on Aug 10, 2007 6:42 PM   
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As a supporter of John Edwards, I was pissed when he said he didn't approve of gay marriage for religious reasons. I'm looking for a President, not a preacher. George W. has used God so many times to justify the most outrageous crap, you'd think Jesus was his fuckbuddy.

So I was really glad to hear that John Edwards took that statement back. I wish at least one of the people had the courage to stand up for same-sex marriage, but I understand much too well that the US isn't ready for that yet.

Still, as you said, it's nice that Presidential candidates would participate in a forum dedicated entirely to gay/lesbian issues. And I'm glad John Edwards is taking an interest in issues that have nothing to do with marriage (a topic that, I completely agree, has overshadowed every thing else).

Thanks for such an informative and optimistic report. It really means a lot!

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Slanted in favor of Hillary
Posted by: truthteller on Aug 11, 2007 8:04 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
More pro-Hillary drivel. This is supposed to be a site for truly progressive journalism, and all you can do is shill for the most corporate candidate(s) running, while totally dismissing the only really progressive candidate who supports your cause 100% as a "pixy" without a chance? Progressivism is about standing your ground and carrying on a true fight for what we believe regardless of the "conventional wisdom"

Grow a set, show some spine, have higher ideals, act on your conscience instead of what others call the "realistic" way. Being realistic got us NAFTA, GATT, the WTO, DOMA, DADT, etc., etc. It is time to quit being dictated to by the corporate DLC trolls who keep shoveling the same old shit with Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. The only candidate running who truly reflects the beliefs and goals of "the People" is Dennis Kucinich. We all know that. Quit qualifying him with "unelectable". He got the biggest round of applause at the AFL-CIO debate by outright declaring his intent to repeal NAFTA and get us out of the WTO. He's the only union member running. He obviously stands with your (LGBT) community. He has been fearless and consistent in his stands for average people.

What do you want to get? Another mealy-mouthed corporate pleaser who gets big bucks from the beltway boys and then roles over to election fraud before all the results are in and the smell of a stolen vote is still hanging in the air, like Kerry?

We worked our hearts out in '04 and got robbed for our trouble, and Kerry just roled over and played dead before Noon the next day. You know Dennis wouldn't do that! Yes, he did stay in the party last time and worked within the system for Kerry, because we ALL felt that the best thing to do was work to get rid of Bush. Even I sucked it up and gave to Kerry and spoke for and voted for him. What a mistake!

From here on out I follow my conscience. I'm with Rep. Kucinich as long as he is in it, and if he is not the nominee and one of the sell-outs is, then I intend to go Green and keep voting for and giving to truly progressive candidates, like Cindy Sheehan, until we run the corportists out of power and finally get some real change for the people. Kucinich's goal is getting $50 each from 1 million Americans for his campaign. Have you stepped up yet? I have.

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Does The Nation employ journalists?
Posted by: SBean on Aug 11, 2007 8:02 PM   
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Or editors? So Kucinich is a "pixie", and the debate ran past the author's bedtime. That sort of commentary might be acceptable in a blog entry, but please...

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songbirdinNH
Posted by: KACalder on Aug 18, 2007 2:27 PM   
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Said jeffrey7: "People should be allowed the right to share their lives with whomever they wish."

True enough. However, relationships are not all the same!! The term "marriage" refers very specifically to the committed union of complementary opposites capable -- at least in theory -- of producing offspring. That is a very specific relationship, just as parent/child is a specific relationship, just as friend/friend is a specific relationship, just as uncle/niece is a specific relationship.

Our Constitution guarantees that all PERSONS are created equal. It never said nor implied that all RELATIONSHIPS are the same!! GET IT!!!

"Marriage" is not a matter of rights, but of qualifications. A true marriage of complementary opposites is by all means entitled to a designation not shared by any other relationship. Find another term for your same-sex companionships, but -- by definition -- they are not marriage.

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