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How Bush Gained the Power to Spy on You without Security Justifications
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After enduring weeks of blistering criticism for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's inartful elisions about the National Security Agency (NSA) spying activities, the Bush Administration has successfully forced on Congress a law that largely authorizes open-ended surveillance of Americans' overseas phone calls and e-mails. How did they do it?
The Protect America Act of 2007 -- the title alone ought to be warning that unsavory motives are at work -- is the most recent example of the national security waltz, a three-step Administration maneuver for taking defeat and turning it into victory.
The waltz starts with a defeat in the courts for Administration actions -- for example, the Supreme Court's extension of the rule of law to the US military prison at Guantánamo in the 2004 case of Rasul v. Bush, or its striking down of the military commissions in 2006 in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld. The second step does not follow immediately. Rather, some months later, the Administration suddenly announces that the ruling has created a security crisis and cries out for urgent remedial legislation. Then (and here's the coup de grâce) the Administration rams legislation through Congress -- the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, or the Military Commissions Act of 2006 -- that not only undoes the good court decision but also inflicts substantial damage to the infrastructure of accountability.
This time, the sordid dance began with a bad ruling for the government, a ruling that demands some context to be understood.
In January the Administration suddenly announced that it was submitting the secretive NSA "terrorist surveillance program" to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, or FISC, a closed judicial process established by the 1978 FISA law to handle search warrants for foreign intelligence purposes. The move came as federal appellate courts in Ohio and California seemed on the cusp of ruling the NSA's domestic surveillance efforts illegal as violations of FISA and possibly the Fourth Amendment. It seemed a way to forestall defeat in those cases.
But in early summer, a FISC judge declined to approve part of the NSA's activities. While the ruling remains classified, it apparently focused on communication that originated overseas but passed through telecom switches in the United States.
Modern telecommunications work by breaking communications into packets of data and routing them through a network of connected computers. Messages do not travel in a linear fashion: A message from Murmansk to Mali might be routed through California. Many of the largest switches routing international data are located in the United States. As USA Today reported in May 2006, the NSA is already tapping those switches. And since January, the government appears to have obtained "basket warrants," allowing it to trawl this data freely, without any judicial or Congressional oversight.
It seems likely that the judge objected because the NSA was collecting calls that originated overseas but ended in the United States. The NSA can generally get a warrant for such communications -- unless there is no evidence that the person under scrutiny is a terrorist. A broad-brush NSA surveillance program, especially one that generates its leads through data-mining, the science of extracting information from large databases, might have exactly this problem.
The second step in the waltz came several months later, with Administration allies such as House minority leader John Boehner invoking the FISC ruling on Fox News as justification for a new law. As usual, the Administration and its allies had no compunction about using classified information -- such as the ruling -- when it helped them politically. And as usual, the Administration artfully concealed the full details of the ruling even while insisting on it as a spur to immediate action. By waiting for the last week of the Congressional session, the Administration in effect cut off the possibility of meaningful debate.
The third step of the waltz has a grim familiarity about it: enactment of a law that is in no way limited to addressing the narrow "problem" created by the FISC ruling. Rather, the Protect America Act is a dramatic, across-the-board expansion of government authority to collect information without judicial oversight. Even though Democrats negotiated a deal with Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell that addressed solely the foreign-to-foreign "problem" created by the FISC ruling, the White House torpedoed that deal and won a far broader law.
To those who have followed this Administration's legal strategy closely, the outcome should be no surprise. The law's most important effect is arguably not its expansion of raw surveillance power but the sloughing away of judicial or Congressional oversight. In the words of former CIA officer Philip Giraldi, the law provides "unlimited access to currently protected personal information that is already accessible through an oversight procedure."
Like the Constitution's Framers, this Administration understands that power is accrued through the evisceration of checks and balances. Unlike that of the Framers, its mission is the transformation of limited government into a government that is not accountable to anyone.
On Monday, the Administration defended the Protect America Act as a "narrow" fix and rejected accusations that it authorized a "driftnet." To see how disingenuous these claims are requires some attention to the details of the legislation.
The key term in the Protect America Act is its licensing of "surveillance directed at a person reasonably believed to be located outside of the United States." This language has a superficial reasonableness, since domestic surveillance has long been understood to raise the most troubling abuse concerns.
But the trouble with this language is that it permits freewheeling surveillance of Americans' international calls and e-mails. The problem lies in the words "directed at." Under this language, the NSA could decide to "direct" its surveillance at Peshawar, Pakistan -- and seize all US calls going to and from there. It could focus on Amman, or Cairo, or London, or Paris, or Toronto... Simply put, the law is an open-ended invitation to collect Americans' international calls and e-mails.
Further, the law does not limit the collection of international calls to security purposes: Rather, it seems the government can seize any international call or e-mail for any reason -- even if it's unrelated to security. Indeed, another provision of the law confirms that national security can be merely one of several purposes of an intelligence collection program. This point alone should sink the Administration's claim to be doing no more than technical fiddling. While the FISA law limited warrantless surveillance absolutely, this law licenses it, not only for national security purposes but also for whatever purpose the government sees fit.
Of further concern is the "reasonably believe" caveat. This means that so long as the NSA "reasonably" believes its antennas are trained overseas, wholly domestic calls can sometimes be collected. And since the NSA uses a filter to separate international calls from wholly domestic calls, it need only "reasonably believe" that it's getting this right. It's this new latitude for error that is troubling, especially because this isn't an Administration known for its care when the rights and lives of others are at stake. It remains deeply unclear how much domestic surveillance this allows.
The problems created by this loosening of standards are compounded by the risibly weak oversight procedures contained in the law. Rather than issuing individualized warrants, now the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General can certify yearlong programs for collecting international calls. The program as a whole is placed before the FISA court, which can only invalidate those procedures and claims that are "clearly erroneous." The government thus has to meet an extraordinarily low standard, in a one-sided judicial procedure in which the court has no access to details of the program's actual operation.
Congressional oversight is even more laughable. Attorney General Gonzales, that paragon of probity and full disclosure, is required to report not on the program's overall operations but solely on "incidents of noncompliance." Of course, given how weak the constraints imposed by the law are, self-reported noncompliance is likely to be minimal.
Finally, some advocates and legislators have taken comfort in the law's six-month sunset provision. But this means that the act will be up for authorization in the middle of the presidential campaign, an environment in which the pressures to accede to Administration demands will be even higher than usual. And the law doesn't really sunset after six months: The provision is artfully drafted to allow the NSA to continue wielding its new surveillance powers for up to a year afterward.
The Protect America Act, in short, does not live up to its name: It does not enhance security-related surveillance powers. Rather, it allows the government to spy when there is no security justification. And it abandons all but the pretense of oversight. The result, as with so many of this Administration's ill-advised policies, is power without responsibility -- and it is by now all too clear how wisely and carefully this Administration wields power in the absence of accountability.
One coda to this story is worth adding. The Justice Department is unlikely to take action against Representative Boehner for his partisan invocation of classified information on network news. Newsweek reported this week that former Justice Department lawyer Thomas Tamm is being investigated apparently in connection to leaks of information about the NSA's domestic surveillance. So goes Gonzales Justice: Politicized manipulation of classified information gets the green light, while hardworking career officials become targets for speaking out when they see the law being violated.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 9, 2007 12:27 AM
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Bushco even used these firms to bypass NSA restrictions on spying on Americans in the past.
Firms like these make the NSA and its apparatus Echelon irrelevant.
As for Congress, how many times do readers need to be LIED to that Congress was fooled into this or that? Why the FUCK was a Republican Congress successful even when Bill Clinton was in the White House? Simple, Republicans NEVER cave in to Democrats. The Democrats on the other hand cave in to the GOP even when they are in the minority all the way !
Besides, Congress could have easily prevented Bush from further trashing our Constitution if the Terri Schiavo tragedy isn't enough already ! As Glenn Greenwald correctly points out, All Democrats had to do was offer legislation to fix the only real gap in FISA and then demand that the President sign it or risk a Terrorist attack. They could have gone on the offensive ahead of time by crafting the legislation and then made it their own cause to demand that the President sign it immediately in order to fix this problem and protect us from the Terrorists.
But they did none of that. They waited around, as always, with no aim and no strategy and no principle and no belief and allowed the President to dictate their behavior and control the debate. It is exactly what they have done on every virtually major issue over the last six years — from Iraq to the Military Commissions Act to the Alito nomination to the whole slew of still-secret surveillance programs that they meekly allow to remain undisclosed, even to them.
In the process, they gutted the few existing restrictions on the government’s power to spy on us. They revitalized the GOP base which is revelling in their Victory and dispirited and infuriated their own base. They revealed themselves, yet again, as weak and principle-free as they are politically inept.
By the way, instead of crying over spilled milk, why not fight to DEFUND WARRENTLESS WIRETAPPING ! I'd be surprised if Congress even considered it but given the way they easily rubber stamp spending on wars, I can't see it any different on warrentless wiretap spending since the GOP will continue to frame it as a "security" issue and Democrats will cave in like a bunch of abused spouses !
P.S.: After the news that James Webb caved in on the wiretapping bill, my wife and I angrily tore the Webb sticker off our car. We'll replace it with a Kucinich or Gravel sticker instead !
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» RE: Like what's new? Congress always caves in. Besides,
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» Because both parties (Democrats and Republicans) are really the SAME party. Both are
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» Albrecht, even you are not stupid enough to believe there is no difference between parties.
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» But the Democrats are NOT proving their differences !
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» There are about 57 democrats who need to be replaced! All the rethugs need to be replaced!
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» Democrats pandering to religious nuts almost as much as Republicans. Cause they are the same.
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» Albrecht, your usual type of proof. The NW Arkansas Morning News and the Christian Post.
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» Try CNN, NY Times, and even Alternet for sources then....
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» Don't be silly albrecht, you know I was talking about the religious right!
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» RE: Like what's new? Congress always caves in. Maybe
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» RE: Cave in? Get informed not Kuchinic?
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» Kuchinic, Paul, and Gravel are the only candidates worth even considering (at least thus far).
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» Albrect, you and your idiot friends sure are trying hard to sell your "no difference" crap.
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» But the Democrats are NOT proving their differences !
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» Some Democrats are not showing their difference on some issues!
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» Democrats haven't changed: Military Commissions Act, Patriot Acts, expanded Wiretapping,
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» Albrecht, you know that progressives need to elect more Democrats to counter the blue dogs.
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» Albecht, are you willing to state here for all to see that you support Kucinich and Gravel?
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Posted by: sapatatanka on Aug 9, 2007 1:34 AM
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But then, this is taken from an Irish folk song, and no American is a descendent of the Irish.
Also, Americans conveniently forget a certain duty they are subject to, at least in accordance with their own declaration of independence (if memory serves).
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Posted by: adp3d on Aug 9, 2007 3:23 AM
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» Expose Them All
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» RE: xpose Them All--- Wolves serve a useful place in NATURE --
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» RE: xpose Them All--- Wolves serve a useful place in NATURE --
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» AND:
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 9, 2007 3:27 AM
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What Tom Paine wrote about England is true of the US today: The people...wearied and stunned with parties, and alternately deceived by each, had almost resigned the prerogative of thinking. Even curiosity had expired, and a universal langour spread itself over the land. The opposition was visibly no more than a contest for power, whilst the mass of the nation stood torpidly by as the prize.
The rich and greedy are the enemies of the people.
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» RE: the whole point is not national security but corporate greed
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» RE: the whole point is not national security but corporate greed
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» RE: corporate greed Denounce both, donate to a new party
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» If Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel have so little chance of winning,......
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Posted by: edith on Aug 9, 2007 3:52 AM
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» RE: All Free are under attack, EU, Canada, Austrailia.
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Posted by: kgs1947 on Aug 9, 2007 4:16 AM
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» Re Mobilize NOW see above post
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» Who's side are you on sj?
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» Who's side are you on sj?
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Posted by: xbj on Aug 9, 2007 4:59 AM
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Congratulations!! You're communicating with someone overseas, and that makes you eligible! All your communications will be monitored now, and don't say nuthin' bad 'bout Iraq; your assets and bank accounts will be frozen and seized. But don't worry about the rent; we have a lovely Haliburton-built Holiday Camp all waiting, just for you and yours!
And don't worry about the dog, cat, house, and stuff while you're gone... why, we'll just sell everything off to pay for more Homeland Security!
There! Don't you feel all safer now?
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» RE: Congratulations! You're ALL eligible for Bush's little spying program
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» Fighting this kind of rethug crap is where our energies should be. Organize to get more progressives
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» RE: Congratulations! Don't forget tech support...
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» RE: Congratulations! Don't forget tech support...
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» RE: Black humor aside, OF COURSE they've been spying on EVERYONE since ECHELON was instituted
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Aug 9, 2007 5:06 AM
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Posted by: caru on Aug 9, 2007 5:12 AM
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this movie shows that christianity is a fraud, religion is about murder and money, and the whole shooting match is controlled by the nasty nasty illuminati. they want to surveil and chip you so they can enslave you. (see: Chinese Secret Society Challenges Illuminati - A Conversation Between Jeff Rense & Benjamin Fulford 11th July 2007)
money = death
war = death
money = war
WE GOT TO GET OURSELVES BACK TO THE GARDEN!!!!!!
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» RE: ZEITGEIST MOVIE
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» Great Movie
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» Hey Ghoul
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» RE: ZEITGEIST MOVIE
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Posted by: Dadster3 on Aug 9, 2007 5:23 AM
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» RE: Forced?
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» Yes, dadster, the dems caved. Did you call or write to them to let them know you didn't aprove?
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» RE: Forced? Democrats caved? B.S. quit defending them
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Posted by: picket on Aug 9, 2007 6:59 AM
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That hidden threat is like a gun to the Dems head....FEAR of losing at the POLITICAL GAME if something happened.
Meanwhile GHW Bush is crying over his ruined legacy because of his firstborn son and we have yet to see a Cowboy in a White hat riding in to save us. Keep watch !!
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» RE: Waltz Steps.......Protect America Act...Sign IT ..or else ???
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Posted by: poppop_schell on Aug 9, 2007 7:02 AM
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ronpaul2008.com
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» RE: ON PAUL VOTED AGAINST THIS AND THE PATRIOT ACT. HE WILL
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» Anybody think about blackmail?
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» Government is run like the MOB. It is a 'protection racket' and 'organised crime' and blackmail
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» Do you see the irony, bushit spied on congress, to get congress to make his spying legal?
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» Yes, I see the irony, that is the irony that Congress did NOT fight back but caved in as LOSERS !!
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» Max, progressives obviously celebrated the 2006 elections prematurely. Now we know .......
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» RE: Fight back? They are for Corp rule and war and oil for world domination BOTH PARTIES
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Posted by: willymack on Aug 9, 2007 7:57 AM
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Posted by: lrrysgl on Aug 9, 2007 8:13 AM
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Bush and Cheney have now surpassed Nixonian levels of disapproval in the polls, and for good reason. They openly committed the same abuses for which the House Judiciary Committee passed articles of impeachment against Nixon (such as refusing to comply with subpoenas). They openly violated laws put into place in response to Nixon's abuses (such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act). They seized unconstitutional power in ways Nixon never attempted (such as by rewriting laws with signing statements). And Cheney and Bush committed far more serious crimes, including misleading the nation into war, kidnapping, torture, and murder.
No political calculation or marching orders from Nancy Pelosi should take precedence over the oath of office taken by Congress to defend the Constitution. This is a solemn oath that they are sworn to honor and to not act is not only a violation of their oath and a betrayal to their country, it is immoral and enables this and future presidents to commit the same high crimes and misdemeanors.
I have joined a group of citizen organizing to pressure our representatives to take action. DO IT. Stop whining and wringing your hands. TAKE ACTION. It is the only thing that has worked to get the changes we want to see. We live in a time where we have seen Nelson Mandela and mass mobilization of the people force a change in South Africa. Don't tell me we can't do this.
They WANT you to feel helpless and powerless. Well, you are not helpless and cynicism and inaction are not an option. It may take time. It may take work, but we MUST work colletively for change.
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» RE: WAY PAST TIME FOR IMPEACHMENT
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» RE: WAY PAST TIME FOR IMPEACHMENT
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» RE: WAY PAST TIME FOR IMPEACHMENT
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» American Veteran. at 68 you have seen a lot of change. When did you give up?
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» RE: WAY PAST TIME FOR IMPEACHMENT
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» Thank you Irrysgl, for suggesting to the posters here that they take action and join the fight.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 9, 2007 8:56 AM
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Up jump 'Super- Prez' waving the banner 'I'll get those terrorists' he uses the Fear and Confusion that followed 9-11 that a rabbit scared,deer in the headlights Congress all but surrenders their control of 'The War Powers' to a single office
under the guise of 'Homeland Defense'. The office of the President is given powers no single office had ever had,the right to use every weapon in ours,or any we could buy,arsenal. Yes that includes nukes! All that was needed was to drop the feared 'terrorist' bomb and all will be laid at your feet. Just the kind of power you need to pursue a family vendetta. Just the kind of black heart policies that created 9-11.
There's no way in hell anyone from the Government will stand up and say 'Our foreign policy is so bad that 9-11 is it's result'. And that's the truth. You will however hear,at great length, 'How we must keep the pressure up on the Terrorists'.
As long as they keep saying 'Terrorist' they will get what they want. As long as we have a 'leadership' that composed of treasonist vise, yeah that vise, president,corrupted A.G.'s,ruthless Sec. of Defense,and an arrogant bully for a president,we won't have Freedom and Liberty,we won't even have security,we'll have TYRANNY.
Congress has the power to over turn any veto,action,or request. They lack the one thing that would make this country a true democracy,balls.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 9, 2007 10:36 AM
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Here is the The complete list of IAO technology programs. examples:
EELD
"The goal of the Evidence Extraction and Link Discovery (EELD) program is development of technologies and tools for automated discovery, extraction and linking of sparse evidence contained in large amounts of classified and unclassified data sources. EELD is developing detection capabilities to extract relevant data and relationships about people, organizations, and activities from message traffic and open source data..."
GENISYS
"Program Genisys is a FY02 new-start program. The Genisys program’s goal is to produce technology enabling ultra-large, all-source information repositories. To predict, track, and preempt terrorist attacks, the U.S. requires a full-coverage database containing all information relevant to identifying: potential foreign terrorists and their possible supporters; their activities; prospective targets; and, their operational plans. Current database technology is clearly insufficient to address this need."
Thus, what they are doing is collecting information (files) on every single American citizen from all sources. They are relying heavily on private companies to collect the data. TIA flowchart
The goal is to track individuals - essentially creating a 'virtual person' by collecting all data: financial, educational, travel, medical, veterinary, country entry, place/event entry, transportation, housing, critical resources, government, and communications.
Obviously, this can also be used track anti-war activists, acquire insider information on the stock market, and target the political opponents of Bush&Co. The system they've set up apparently allows Bush&Co to track the past actions of any person they want to.
It's not just the spying, however - there are multiple examples of actual infiltration of anti-war groups that involve collaborations between local police forces and the federal government. See FBI-JTTF activities.
What this really is is an attempt to control the American public. If someone starts an anti-war group, they start tracking all members of that group, and they instruct the FBI-JTTF to insert agents into any such group. The East German Stasi played the same role.
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» Doesn't that make you wonder about the third party people, and the defeatist here?
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» DARPA's FutureMAP program
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Posted by: eosrk on Aug 9, 2007 11:43 AM
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Aug 9, 2007 12:07 PM
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How long will it take before we the people wake up and realize that voting for either party is throwing our votes away.
That the only way we will get real change is to begin voting for unknown 3rd party candidates like Greens and Libertarians.
The Democratic party is not the light side compared to the Republican party's dark side. They are the same.
How long will those below the bell curve as well as above it continue to vote for legislators who have no principles.
So many Dems decry Bush and his administration for this but he could not have done it without the HELP of the democratic party.
Wake up and stop voting for these assholes.
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» Do you honestly believe a third party is going to win the presidency? I hope you don't vote.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2007 12:16 PM
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"Dub-ya deserved another term alright. In Leavenworth, not Washington. On second thought, considering over 30,000 U.S. casualties in Iraq so far with more to come. he should face a federal firing squad."
Technically, under NSA's new right to spy on Internet activity without a warrant, those words could brand me as a terrorist.
If you guys don't hear from me again. I'll probably be at Gitmo. Oh well. At least I'll get free medical care.
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» RE: Testing the NSA waters...
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» RE: Testing the NSA waters...
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» RE: YOU RON PAUL A-HOLES ARE REALLY BORN AGAINS COVERING UP FOR YOUR ANTI ABORTION PLANK
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» rfrancis: I constantly hear that Abortion should Not be a litmus test so
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» RE: YOU RON PAUL A-HOLES ARE REALLY BORN AGAINS COVERING UP FOR YOUR ANTI ABORTION PLANK
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» apophenia_monkey: Ron Paul is KNOWN even by his enemies to be a straight shooter: aman who tells
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» Bullshit!
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» RE: Bullshit! this is for the posters praising ron paul. Your rethugs!
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» johngary66 Thank you for the intelligent posts. They added much to the dialogue NOT NM
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Posted by: wmGreybeard on Aug 9, 2007 1:07 PM
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If you would like to join in with a group (Veterans ect.) Google - March on Washington September 2007
I plan to go alone, but I expect to have plenty of company by the 15th.
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Posted by: aurora2484 on Aug 9, 2007 2:12 PM
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"Even so, the US Department of Defense (DOD) may already be creating a copy of you in an alternate reality to see how long you can go without food or water, or how you will respond to televised propaganda.
"The DOD is developing a parallel to Planet Earth, with billions of individual "nodes" to reflect every man, woman, and child this side of the dividing line between reality and AR.
"Called the Sentient World Simulation (SWS), it will be a "synthetic mirror of the real world with automated continuous calibration with respect to current real-world information", according to a concept paper for the project.
"SWS provides an environment for testing Psychological Operations (PSYOP)," the paper reads, so that military leaders can "develop and test multiple courses of action to anticipate and shape behaviors of adversaries, neutrals, and partners".
"SWS also replicates financial institutions, utilities, media outlets, and street corner shops. By applying theories of economics and human psychology, its developers believe they can predict how individuals and mobs will respond to various stressors."
From: "Sentient world: war games on the grandest scale"
By Mark Baard - The Register, 23rd June 07
theregister.com/ 2007/06/23/ sentient_worlds/
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Aug 9, 2007 4:02 PM
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So much for the Legislative process? Surely, they can't be that thick. What sort of Congress is this?
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"When Congress returns in September the Intelligence committees and leaders in both parties will need to complete work on the comprehensive reforms requested by Director McConnell, including the important issue of providing meaningful liability protection to those who are alleged to have assisted our Nation following the attacks of September 11, 2001. "
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Posted by: Jersey Devil on Aug 9, 2007 5:51 PM
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The real purpose of the Bush Administration's desire to bug the world is the same reasoning the Nazi's used in Germany during the Thirties - to stifle opposition and secure power. Any bets on W extending his presidency during a "National Emergency"?
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Posted by: rufus on Aug 14, 2007 5:21 AM
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Back in 2004, the American people re-elected a man who they KNEW was a war criminal, a man that Americans KNEW was running torture chambers, KNEW he was running secret gulags, and KNEW he lied America into war. Show me one (1) country where Osama bin Laden has that kind of support. Chimp promised to 'stay the course,' and he has.
The scumbags known as 'The American People' are the ones to blame. They KNEW, every single one of them.
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Posted by: pg on Aug 16, 2007 9:31 AM
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He might be listening to my phone call when I talk to my mom or worse my bud dealer...then they might come arrest me...
Maybe its like watergate heavens forbid and it is all a cover to gather political intel!
There are deranged people that believe they will go to heaven if they can saw our heads off with a steak knife or blow up our childeren in scholl...or buy a nuke and have a fireworks show in a major US city...
And you all fear BUSH who will be gone in 18 months as public enemy number one...
Go ahead and listen to my phone calls and read my emails...the jokes are lame, the porn is filthy, and the spam will tell you where to get fake viagra...
My Freedom is lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: JAVA on Sep 8, 2007 9:38 PM
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Or is this another rise of Adolph Hitler under "[The] Political Awakening."
Is this the Nazi regime putting into practice modern day racial policies that are aimed to "purify" and strengthen the [American] "Aryan" population?
ARE WE IN FACT TURNING IN THE [JEWS] THAT ARE LIVING NEXT DOOR?
Who are the [Jews]; are they the people who speak of democracy and peace?
Should we be afraid to speak our opinions about politics in our own homes?
Lets catch the real criminals. Not Grandma's out there chatting with the Grandkids.
Another thing, whose to say that these people receiving these letters are up standing? So here we are spying and handing out letters to people that could be real criminals. Imagine someone with very low ethics or morals receiving these so call NSLs. Now we have people who have permission to steal money from these blind and deaf individuals who don't even know why they're suddenly having problems. Why not have apartments rigged with cameras? We could really have people spying on renters in their bathrooms. It could become a game of sorts, for example, mind games and harassment to total strangers. It's okay if everybody knows what’s going on but the "Suspect." Now we have average Americans who are experiencing what they know is illegal activity but have no one to answer their call for help. The result is absolute lawlessness.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 9, 2007 12:27 AM
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Bushco even used these firms to bypass NSA restrictions on spying on Americans in the past.
Firms like these make the NSA and its apparatus Echelon irrelevant.
As for Congress, how many times do readers need to be LIED to that Congress was fooled into this or that? Why the FUCK was a Republican Congress successful even when Bill Clinton was in the White House? Simple, Republicans NEVER cave in to Democrats. The Democrats on the other hand cave in to the GOP even when they are in the minority all the way !
Besides, Congress could have easily prevented Bush from further trashing our Constitution if the Terri Schiavo tragedy isn't enough already ! As Glenn Greenwald correctly points out, All Democrats had to do was offer legislation to fix the only real gap in FISA and then demand that the President sign it or risk a Terrorist attack. They could have gone on the offensive ahead of time by crafting the legislation and then made it their own cause to demand that the President sign it immediately in order to fix this problem and protect us from the Terrorists.
But they did none of that. They waited around, as always, with no aim and no strategy and no principle and no belief and allowed the President to dictate their behavior and control the debate. It is exactly what they have done on every virtually major issue over the last six years — from Iraq to the Military Commissions Act to the Alito nomination to the whole slew of still-secret surveillance programs that they meekly allow to remain undisclosed, even to them.
In the process, they gutted the few existing restrictions on the government’s power to spy on us. They revitalized the GOP base which is revelling in their Victory and dispirited and infuriated their own base. They revealed themselves, yet again, as weak and principle-free as they are politically inept.
By the way, instead of crying over spilled milk, why not fight to DEFUND WARRENTLESS WIRETAPPING ! I'd be surprised if Congress even considered it but given the way they easily rubber stamp spending on wars, I can't see it any different on warrentless wiretap spending since the GOP will continue to frame it as a "security" issue and Democrats will cave in like a bunch of abused spouses !
P.S.: After the news that James Webb caved in on the wiretapping bill, my wife and I angrily tore the Webb sticker off our car. We'll replace it with a Kucinich or Gravel sticker instead !
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» But the Democrats are NOT proving their differences !
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» There are about 57 democrats who need to be replaced! All the rethugs need to be replaced!
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» Democrats pandering to religious nuts almost as much as Republicans. Cause they are the same.
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» Albrecht, your usual type of proof. The NW Arkansas Morning News and the Christian Post.
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» Try CNN, NY Times, and even Alternet for sources then....
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» Don't be silly albrecht, you know I was talking about the religious right!
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» Kuchinic, Paul, and Gravel are the only candidates worth even considering (at least thus far).
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» Albrect, you and your idiot friends sure are trying hard to sell your "no difference" crap.
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» But the Democrats are NOT proving their differences !
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» Some Democrats are not showing their difference on some issues!
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» Democrats haven't changed: Military Commissions Act, Patriot Acts, expanded Wiretapping,
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» Albrecht, you know that progressives need to elect more Democrats to counter the blue dogs.
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» Albecht, are you willing to state here for all to see that you support Kucinich and Gravel?
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Posted by: sapatatanka on Aug 9, 2007 1:34 AM
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But then, this is taken from an Irish folk song, and no American is a descendent of the Irish.
Also, Americans conveniently forget a certain duty they are subject to, at least in accordance with their own declaration of independence (if memory serves).
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Posted by: adp3d on Aug 9, 2007 3:23 AM
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 9, 2007 3:27 AM
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What Tom Paine wrote about England is true of the US today: The people...wearied and stunned with parties, and alternately deceived by each, had almost resigned the prerogative of thinking. Even curiosity had expired, and a universal langour spread itself over the land. The opposition was visibly no more than a contest for power, whilst the mass of the nation stood torpidly by as the prize.
The rich and greedy are the enemies of the people.
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Posted by: edith on Aug 9, 2007 3:52 AM
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» Re Mobilize NOW see above post
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» Who's side are you on sj?
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Posted by: xbj on Aug 9, 2007 4:59 AM
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Congratulations!! You're communicating with someone overseas, and that makes you eligible! All your communications will be monitored now, and don't say nuthin' bad 'bout Iraq; your assets and bank accounts will be frozen and seized. But don't worry about the rent; we have a lovely Haliburton-built Holiday Camp all waiting, just for you and yours!
And don't worry about the dog, cat, house, and stuff while you're gone... why, we'll just sell everything off to pay for more Homeland Security!
There! Don't you feel all safer now?
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» RE: Black humor aside, OF COURSE they've been spying on EVERYONE since ECHELON was instituted
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Aug 9, 2007 5:06 AM
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Posted by: caru on Aug 9, 2007 5:12 AM
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this movie shows that christianity is a fraud, religion is about murder and money, and the whole shooting match is controlled by the nasty nasty illuminati. they want to surveil and chip you so they can enslave you. (see: Chinese Secret Society Challenges Illuminati - A Conversation Between Jeff Rense & Benjamin Fulford 11th July 2007)
money = death
war = death
money = war
WE GOT TO GET OURSELVES BACK TO THE GARDEN!!!!!!
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» Yes, dadster, the dems caved. Did you call or write to them to let them know you didn't aprove?
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» RE: Forced? Democrats caved? B.S. quit defending them
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Posted by: picket on Aug 9, 2007 6:59 AM
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That hidden threat is like a gun to the Dems head....FEAR of losing at the POLITICAL GAME if something happened.
Meanwhile GHW Bush is crying over his ruined legacy because of his firstborn son and we have yet to see a Cowboy in a White hat riding in to save us. Keep watch !!
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Posted by: poppop_schell on Aug 9, 2007 7:02 AM
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ronpaul2008.com
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» Do you see the irony, bushit spied on congress, to get congress to make his spying legal?
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» Yes, I see the irony, that is the irony that Congress did NOT fight back but caved in as LOSERS !!
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» RE: Fight back? They are for Corp rule and war and oil for world domination BOTH PARTIES
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Posted by: lrrysgl on Aug 9, 2007 8:13 AM
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Bush and Cheney have now surpassed Nixonian levels of disapproval in the polls, and for good reason. They openly committed the same abuses for which the House Judiciary Committee passed articles of impeachment against Nixon (such as refusing to comply with subpoenas). They openly violated laws put into place in response to Nixon's abuses (such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act). They seized unconstitutional power in ways Nixon never attempted (such as by rewriting laws with signing statements). And Cheney and Bush committed far more serious crimes, including misleading the nation into war, kidnapping, torture, and murder.
No political calculation or marching orders from Nancy Pelosi should take precedence over the oath of office taken by Congress to defend the Constitution. This is a solemn oath that they are sworn to honor and to not act is not only a violation of their oath and a betrayal to their country, it is immoral and enables this and future presidents to commit the same high crimes and misdemeanors.
I have joined a group of citizen organizing to pressure our representatives to take action. DO IT. Stop whining and wringing your hands. TAKE ACTION. It is the only thing that has worked to get the changes we want to see. We live in a time where we have seen Nelson Mandela and mass mobilization of the people force a change in South Africa. Don't tell me we can't do this.
They WANT you to feel helpless and powerless. Well, you are not helpless and cynicism and inaction are not an option. It may take time. It may take work, but we MUST work colletively for change.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 9, 2007 8:56 AM
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Up jump 'Super- Prez' waving the banner 'I'll get those terrorists' he uses the Fear and Confusion that followed 9-11 that a rabbit scared,deer in the headlights Congress all but surrenders their control of 'The War Powers' to a single office
under the guise of 'Homeland Defense'. The office of the President is given powers no single office had ever had,the right to use every weapon in ours,or any we could buy,arsenal. Yes that includes nukes! All that was needed was to drop the feared 'terrorist' bomb and all will be laid at your feet. Just the kind of power you need to pursue a family vendetta. Just the kind of black heart policies that created 9-11.
There's no way in hell anyone from the Government will stand up and say 'Our foreign policy is so bad that 9-11 is it's result'. And that's the truth. You will however hear,at great length, 'How we must keep the pressure up on the Terrorists'.
As long as they keep saying 'Terrorist' they will get what they want. As long as we have a 'leadership' that composed of treasonist vise, yeah that vise, president,corrupted A.G.'s,ruthless Sec. of Defense,and an arrogant bully for a president,we won't have Freedom and Liberty,we won't even have security,we'll have TYRANNY.
Congress has the power to over turn any veto,action,or request. They lack the one thing that would make this country a true democracy,balls.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 9, 2007 10:36 AM
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Here is the The complete list of IAO technology programs. examples:
EELD
"The goal of the Evidence Extraction and Link Discovery (EELD) program is development of technologies and tools for automated discovery, extraction and linking of sparse evidence contained in large amounts of classified and unclassified data sources. EELD is developing detection capabilities to extract relevant data and relationships about people, organizations, and activities from message traffic and open source data..."
GENISYS
"Program Genisys is a FY02 new-start program. The Genisys program’s goal is to produce technology enabling ultra-large, all-source information repositories. To predict, track, and preempt terrorist attacks, the U.S. requires a full-coverage database containing all information relevant to identifying: potential foreign terrorists and their possible supporters; their activities; prospective targets; and, their operational plans. Current database technology is clearly insufficient to address this need."
Thus, what they are doing is collecting information (files) on every single American citizen from all sources. They are relying heavily on private companies to collect the data. TIA flowchart
The goal is to track individuals - essentially creating a 'virtual person' by collecting all data: financial, educational, travel, medical, veterinary, country entry, place/event entry, transportation, housing, critical resources, government, and communications.
Obviously, this can also be used track anti-war activists, acquire insider information on the stock market, and target the political opponents of Bush&Co. The system they've set up apparently allows Bush&Co to track the past actions of any person they want to.
It's not just the spying, however - there are multiple examples of actual infiltration of anti-war groups that involve collaborations between local police forces and the federal government. See FBI-JTTF activities.
What this really is is an attempt to control the American public. If someone starts an anti-war group, they start tracking all members of that group, and they instruct the FBI-JTTF to insert agents into any such group. The East German Stasi played the same role.
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Posted by: eosrk on Aug 9, 2007 11:43 AM
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Aug 9, 2007 12:07 PM
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How long will it take before we the people wake up and realize that voting for either party is throwing our votes away.
That the only way we will get real change is to begin voting for unknown 3rd party candidates like Greens and Libertarians.
The Democratic party is not the light side compared to the Republican party's dark side. They are the same.
How long will those below the bell curve as well as above it continue to vote for legislators who have no principles.
So many Dems decry Bush and his administration for this but he could not have done it without the HELP of the democratic party.
Wake up and stop voting for these assholes.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2007 12:16 PM
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"Dub-ya deserved another term alright. In Leavenworth, not Washington. On second thought, considering over 30,000 U.S. casualties in Iraq so far with more to come. he should face a federal firing squad."
Technically, under NSA's new right to spy on Internet activity without a warrant, those words could brand me as a terrorist.
If you guys don't hear from me again. I'll probably be at Gitmo. Oh well. At least I'll get free medical care.
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Posted by: wmGreybeard on Aug 9, 2007 1:07 PM
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If you would like to join in with a group (Veterans ect.) Google - March on Washington September 2007
I plan to go alone, but I expect to have plenty of company by the 15th.
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Posted by: aurora2484 on Aug 9, 2007 2:12 PM
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"Even so, the US Department of Defense (DOD) may already be creating a copy of you in an alternate reality to see how long you can go without food or water, or how you will respond to televised propaganda.
"The DOD is developing a parallel to Planet Earth, with billions of individual "nodes" to reflect every man, woman, and child this side of the dividing line between reality and AR.
"Called the Sentient World Simulation (SWS), it will be a "synthetic mirror of the real world with automated continuous calibration with respect to current real-world information", according to a concept paper for the project.
"SWS provides an environment for testing Psychological Operations (PSYOP)," the paper reads, so that military leaders can "develop and test multiple courses of action to anticipate and shape behaviors of adversaries, neutrals, and partners".
"SWS also replicates financial institutions, utilities, media outlets, and street corner shops. By applying theories of economics and human psychology, its developers believe they can predict how individuals and mobs will respond to various stressors."
From: "Sentient world: war games on the grandest scale"
By Mark Baard - The Register, 23rd June 07
theregister.com/ 2007/06/23/ sentient_worlds/
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» Read the comments to the Baard article folks...but I guess a 'half post' is better than none..
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Aug 9, 2007 4:02 PM
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So much for the Legislative process? Surely, they can't be that thick. What sort of Congress is this?
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Posted by: aurora2484 on Aug 9, 2007 4:18 PM
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"When Congress returns in September the Intelligence committees and leaders in both parties will need to complete work on the comprehensive reforms requested by Director McConnell, including the important issue of providing meaningful liability protection to those who are alleged to have assisted our Nation following the attacks of September 11, 2001. "
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Posted by: Jersey Devil on Aug 9, 2007 5:51 PM
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The real purpose of the Bush Administration's desire to bug the world is the same reasoning the Nazi's used in Germany during the Thirties - to stifle opposition and secure power. Any bets on W extending his presidency during a "National Emergency"?
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Posted by: 1gma on Aug 9, 2007 5:54 PM
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Posted by: heftysmurf on Aug 9, 2007 6:08 PM
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Posted by: johngary66 on Aug 10, 2007 3:47 AM
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Aug 10, 2007 9:13 AM
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Aug 12, 2007 12:58 AM
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Posted by: rufus on Aug 14, 2007 5:21 AM
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Back in 2004, the American people re-elected a man who they KNEW was a war criminal, a man that Americans KNEW was running torture chambers, KNEW he was running secret gulags, and KNEW he lied America into war. Show me one (1) country where Osama bin Laden has that kind of support. Chimp promised to 'stay the course,' and he has.
The scumbags known as 'The American People' are the ones to blame. They KNEW, every single one of them.
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Posted by: pg on Aug 16, 2007 9:31 AM
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He might be listening to my phone call when I talk to my mom or worse my bud dealer...then they might come arrest me...
Maybe its like watergate heavens forbid and it is all a cover to gather political intel!
There are deranged people that believe they will go to heaven if they can saw our heads off with a steak knife or blow up our childeren in scholl...or buy a nuke and have a fireworks show in a major US city...
And you all fear BUSH who will be gone in 18 months as public enemy number one...
Go ahead and listen to my phone calls and read my emails...the jokes are lame, the porn is filthy, and the spam will tell you where to get fake viagra...
My Freedom is lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: JAVA on Sep 8, 2007 9:38 PM
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Or is this another rise of Adolph Hitler under "[The] Political Awakening."
Is this the Nazi regime putting into practice modern day racial policies that are aimed to "purify" and strengthen the [American] "Aryan" population?
ARE WE IN FACT TURNING IN THE [JEWS] THAT ARE LIVING NEXT DOOR?
Who are the [Jews]; are they the people who speak of democracy and peace?
Should we be afraid to speak our opinions about politics in our own homes?
Lets catch the real criminals. Not Grandma's out there chatting with the Grandkids.
Another thing, whose to say that these people receiving these letters are up standing? So here we are spying and handing out letters to people that could be real criminals. Imagine someone with very low ethics or morals receiving these so call NSLs. Now we have people who have permission to steal money from these blind and deaf individuals who don't even know why they're suddenly having problems. Why not have apartments rigged with cameras? We could really have people spying on renters in their bathrooms. It could become a game of sorts, for example, mind games and harassment to total strangers. It's okay if everybody knows what’s going on but the "Suspect." Now we have average Americans who are experiencing what they know is illegal activity but have no one to answer their call for help. The result is absolute lawlessness.
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