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Pentagon Opposition to Lifting Gay Ban May Be Melting

With a volunteer military stretched to the breaking point, it defies logic to turn away and kick out gay Americans simply because they don't want to live lives of celibacy and deceit.
August 6, 2007  |  
 
 
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DADT
Posted by: CatDad on Aug 6, 2007 6:48 PM   
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poll shows 79 percent of Americans favor allowing gays to serve openly
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The will of the people is no longer a primary concern of our elected "representatives." The will of the people is only something to be manipulated and diverted for the political empowerment of an elite few.

As a gay man Don't Ask/Don't Tell has ceased to be a mission critical issue for me because of what the military has become under George W. Thank God the current enlisted gays have a way to get the hell out of the nightmare that is the Bush's military if they want. Until this situation changes, I'd favor keeping DADT in place as hard as it is to say it.

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Gay Men & Women.......
Posted by: rg on Aug 6, 2007 10:51 PM   
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should think twice about risking their lives to defend people who are bent on keeping them as second-class citizens.

Let the beer-belly & buttcrack crowd along with the intolerant religious zealots fight Cheney & Bush's imperial wars.

Acceptance for all; to hell with DADT.

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Is this something to celebrate?
Posted by: FDPN on Aug 7, 2007 12:05 AM   
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What will be the only remaining way out of the military? Develop a drug addiction? Become massively obese? Commit some crimes?

At least DADT allows people to get out honorably.

Also, once gays are allowed to serve that is a universal thing. If the draft starts up (and it will, eventually, maybe not for Iraq - but some day) there will be thousands of gays forced to fight and die because an incredibly small minority of gays WANTED to fight and die.

Doesn't seem like something to celebrate to me.

May as well make women eligible for front line combat duty and the draft. I wonder how well that would REALLY play with women. It's easy to talk tough sitting in front of your computer at your college in New Hampshire but let's see how you feel when young Americans are dying at a rate of 500 a day in some meatgrinder and, guess what honey, it's your turn to go off and fight for your country!

Don't want to? We'll throw you in prison until the war is over.

How about we do away with the draft/selective service system before we start expanding the draftable population. Hmm?

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Rich
Posted by: davy on Aug 7, 2007 3:33 AM   
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Google in Capt. Josh Gibbs U.S.M.C. who wrote a rebuttal to Gen. P.Pace comment re gays in military. It was a most intelligent article and was posted in the Marine Corp Times. For this he was almost court martialed, but instead was posted as punishment.

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the pols are simply wanting to remove an escape hatch
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 7, 2007 4:24 AM   
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nothing more noble than that. If they had any egalitarian instincts, they wouldn't have set up DADT in the first place. Sex and religion are personal matters.

Further, any true egalitarian wouldn't have supported violently invading and occupying another country on the mere chance that some good (besides oil and contracts) might come of it.

Draft the warmongers in Congress and the administration. Every last one of them.

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Ron Paul takes the moral and consistent position by saying...
Posted by: poppop_schell on Aug 7, 2007 7:49 AM   
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that qualified homosexuals should be allowed t serve i the miltary. The issue is a general one about sexual arrassment in the military. Homosexuals and "straights" should be under the same rules and be prosecuted if sexual arrassmanet occurs.

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DADT, let it stand
Posted by: mrb1960 on Aug 8, 2007 2:46 PM   
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As a gay man, and a liberal, I think that the current policy should stand. I can think of no better way for the anti-gay right wing to accomplish their goal of finding a "final solution" to the homosexual "problem" than to draft us all & march us to our deaths in the service of one of Bush's Imperialistic wars of conquest. Let the right-wing hypocrites who are the main cheerleaders of the war in Iraq go & fight & die in their own wars and leave us gays out of it!

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DADT a non-issue
Posted by: dmaciewski on Aug 9, 2007 4:18 PM   
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It does seem strange logic to claim acceptance of gays in the military at a time when our military is stretched in defense of a foreign policy that has been so reckless and produced such catastrophic results, that gays being allowed openly in the military could be much of a victory.

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The Medieval Landscape of the USA
Posted by: rg on Aug 10, 2007 8:07 PM   
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This is what's holding gay men & women down. These are the minds that are meddling in the civil rights of men & women who don't subscribe to their mumbo-jumbo:

read here

They have no problem with gay men & women risking their lives to defend their liberties, but at the end of the day they treat them with contempt.
In a way, I'm glad that Joel Osteen and his klan are fleecing them.

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DADT
Posted by: CatDad on Aug 6, 2007 6:48 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
poll shows 79 percent of Americans favor allowing gays to serve openly
==========
The will of the people is no longer a primary concern of our elected "representatives." The will of the people is only something to be manipulated and diverted for the political empowerment of an elite few.

As a gay man Don't Ask/Don't Tell has ceased to be a mission critical issue for me because of what the military has become under George W. Thank God the current enlisted gays have a way to get the hell out of the nightmare that is the Bush's military if they want. Until this situation changes, I'd favor keeping DADT in place as hard as it is to say it.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» You got it Posted by: FDPN

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Gay Men & Women.......
Posted by: rg on Aug 6, 2007 10:51 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
should think twice about risking their lives to defend people who are bent on keeping them as second-class citizens.

Let the beer-belly & buttcrack crowd along with the intolerant religious zealots fight Cheney & Bush's imperial wars.

Acceptance for all; to hell with DADT.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Gay Men & Women....... Posted by: smcnorton
» RE: Gay Men & Women....... Posted by: smcnorton

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Is this something to celebrate?
Posted by: FDPN on Aug 7, 2007 12:05 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What will be the only remaining way out of the military? Develop a drug addiction? Become massively obese? Commit some crimes?

At least DADT allows people to get out honorably.

Also, once gays are allowed to serve that is a universal thing. If the draft starts up (and it will, eventually, maybe not for Iraq - but some day) there will be thousands of gays forced to fight and die because an incredibly small minority of gays WANTED to fight and die.

Doesn't seem like something to celebrate to me.

May as well make women eligible for front line combat duty and the draft. I wonder how well that would REALLY play with women. It's easy to talk tough sitting in front of your computer at your college in New Hampshire but let's see how you feel when young Americans are dying at a rate of 500 a day in some meatgrinder and, guess what honey, it's your turn to go off and fight for your country!

Don't want to? We'll throw you in prison until the war is over.

How about we do away with the draft/selective service system before we start expanding the draftable population. Hmm?

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Rich
Posted by: davy on Aug 7, 2007 3:33 AM   
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Google in Capt. Josh Gibbs U.S.M.C. who wrote a rebuttal to Gen. P.Pace comment re gays in military. It was a most intelligent article and was posted in the Marine Corp Times. For this he was almost court martialed, but instead was posted as punishment.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


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the pols are simply wanting to remove an escape hatch
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 7, 2007 4:24 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
nothing more noble than that. If they had any egalitarian instincts, they wouldn't have set up DADT in the first place. Sex and religion are personal matters.

Further, any true egalitarian wouldn't have supported violently invading and occupying another country on the mere chance that some good (besides oil and contracts) might come of it.

Draft the warmongers in Congress and the administration. Every last one of them.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


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Ron Paul takes the moral and consistent position by saying...
Posted by: poppop_schell on Aug 7, 2007 7:49 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
that qualified homosexuals should be allowed t serve i the miltary. The issue is a general one about sexual arrassment in the military. Homosexuals and "straights" should be under the same rules and be prosecuted if sexual arrassmanet occurs.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Source Posted by: EKSwitaj

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DADT, let it stand
Posted by: mrb1960 on Aug 8, 2007 2:46 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As a gay man, and a liberal, I think that the current policy should stand. I can think of no better way for the anti-gay right wing to accomplish their goal of finding a "final solution" to the homosexual "problem" than to draft us all & march us to our deaths in the service of one of Bush's Imperialistic wars of conquest. Let the right-wing hypocrites who are the main cheerleaders of the war in Iraq go & fight & die in their own wars and leave us gays out of it!

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DADT a non-issue
Posted by: dmaciewski on Aug 9, 2007 4:18 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It does seem strange logic to claim acceptance of gays in the military at a time when our military is stretched in defense of a foreign policy that has been so reckless and produced such catastrophic results, that gays being allowed openly in the military could be much of a victory.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]


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The Medieval Landscape of the USA
Posted by: rg on Aug 10, 2007 8:07 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is what's holding gay men & women down. These are the minds that are meddling in the civil rights of men & women who don't subscribe to their mumbo-jumbo:

read here

They have no problem with gay men & women risking their lives to defend their liberties, but at the end of the day they treat them with contempt.
In a way, I'm glad that Joel Osteen and his klan are fleecing them.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

 
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