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Posted by: CatDad on Aug 6, 2007 6:48 PM
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The will of the people is no longer a primary concern of our elected "representatives." The will of the people is only something to be manipulated and diverted for the political empowerment of an elite few.
As a gay man Don't Ask/Don't Tell has ceased to be a mission critical issue for me because of what the military has become under George W. Thank God the current enlisted gays have a way to get the hell out of the nightmare that is the Bush's military if they want. Until this situation changes, I'd favor keeping DADT in place as hard as it is to say it.
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Posted by: rg on Aug 6, 2007 10:51 PM
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Let the beer-belly & buttcrack crowd along with the intolerant religious zealots fight Cheney & Bush's imperial wars.
Acceptance for all; to hell with DADT.
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Posted by: FDPN on Aug 7, 2007 12:05 AM
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At least DADT allows people to get out honorably.
Also, once gays are allowed to serve that is a universal thing. If the draft starts up (and it will, eventually, maybe not for Iraq - but some day) there will be thousands of gays forced to fight and die because an incredibly small minority of gays WANTED to fight and die.
Doesn't seem like something to celebrate to me.
May as well make women eligible for front line combat duty and the draft. I wonder how well that would REALLY play with women. It's easy to talk tough sitting in front of your computer at your college in New Hampshire but let's see how you feel when young Americans are dying at a rate of 500 a day in some meatgrinder and, guess what honey, it's your turn to go off and fight for your country!
Don't want to? We'll throw you in prison until the war is over.
How about we do away with the draft/selective service system before we start expanding the draftable population. Hmm?
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» I meant honorable in the sense of discharge characterization - moral judgments mean nothing
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» Argument selfish and illogical?
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Posted by: davy on Aug 7, 2007 3:33 AM
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 7, 2007 4:24 AM
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Further, any true egalitarian wouldn't have supported violently invading and occupying another country on the mere chance that some good (besides oil and contracts) might come of it.
Draft the warmongers in Congress and the administration. Every last one of them.
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Posted by: poppop_schell on Aug 7, 2007 7:49 AM
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Posted by: mrb1960 on Aug 8, 2007 2:46 PM
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Posted by: dmaciewski on Aug 9, 2007 4:18 PM
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Posted by: rg on Aug 10, 2007 8:07 PM
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read here
They have no problem with gay men & women risking their lives to defend their liberties, but at the end of the day they treat them with contempt.
In a way, I'm glad that Joel Osteen and his klan are fleecing them.
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Posted by: CatDad on Aug 6, 2007 6:48 PM
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The will of the people is no longer a primary concern of our elected "representatives." The will of the people is only something to be manipulated and diverted for the political empowerment of an elite few.
As a gay man Don't Ask/Don't Tell has ceased to be a mission critical issue for me because of what the military has become under George W. Thank God the current enlisted gays have a way to get the hell out of the nightmare that is the Bush's military if they want. Until this situation changes, I'd favor keeping DADT in place as hard as it is to say it.
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Posted by: rg on Aug 6, 2007 10:51 PM
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Let the beer-belly & buttcrack crowd along with the intolerant religious zealots fight Cheney & Bush's imperial wars.
Acceptance for all; to hell with DADT.
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Posted by: FDPN on Aug 7, 2007 12:05 AM
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At least DADT allows people to get out honorably.
Also, once gays are allowed to serve that is a universal thing. If the draft starts up (and it will, eventually, maybe not for Iraq - but some day) there will be thousands of gays forced to fight and die because an incredibly small minority of gays WANTED to fight and die.
Doesn't seem like something to celebrate to me.
May as well make women eligible for front line combat duty and the draft. I wonder how well that would REALLY play with women. It's easy to talk tough sitting in front of your computer at your college in New Hampshire but let's see how you feel when young Americans are dying at a rate of 500 a day in some meatgrinder and, guess what honey, it's your turn to go off and fight for your country!
Don't want to? We'll throw you in prison until the war is over.
How about we do away with the draft/selective service system before we start expanding the draftable population. Hmm?
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» I meant honorable in the sense of discharge characterization - moral judgments mean nothing
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» Argument selfish and illogical?
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Posted by: davy on Aug 7, 2007 3:33 AM
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 7, 2007 4:24 AM
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Further, any true egalitarian wouldn't have supported violently invading and occupying another country on the mere chance that some good (besides oil and contracts) might come of it.
Draft the warmongers in Congress and the administration. Every last one of them.
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Posted by: poppop_schell on Aug 7, 2007 7:49 AM
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» Lauren: Let them live together, draw up a contract on their relationship that is...
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Posted by: mrb1960 on Aug 8, 2007 2:46 PM
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Posted by: dmaciewski on Aug 9, 2007 4:18 PM
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Posted by: rg on Aug 10, 2007 8:07 PM
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read here
They have no problem with gay men & women risking their lives to defend their liberties, but at the end of the day they treat them with contempt.
In a way, I'm glad that Joel Osteen and his klan are fleecing them.
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