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Is the US Heading for 'Developing Nations' Inequality Levels?
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But Solstice clients are not ordinary people. They are America's super-rich and a brief glance at its operations reveal the vast and still widening gulf between them and the rest of America.
Solstice has only about 80 members. Platinum membership costs them $875,000 to join and then a $42,000 annual fee. In return they get access to 10 homes from London to California and a private yacht in the Caribbean, all fully staffed with cooks, cleaners and "lifestyle managers" ready to satisfy any whim from helicopter-skiing to audiences with local celebrities. As the firm's marketing manager, Cain knows what Solstice's clientele want. "We are trying to feed and manage this insatiable appetite for luxury," Cain said with pride.
America's super-rich have returned to the days of the Roaring Twenties. As the rest of the country struggles to get by, a huge bubble of multi-millionaires lives almost in a parallel world. The rich now live in their own world of private education, private health care and gated mansions. They have their own schools and their own banks. They even travel apart -- creating a booming industry of private jets and yachts. Their world now has a name, thanks to a new book by Wall Street Journal reporter Robert Frank which has dubbed it "Richistan." There every dream can come true. But for the American Dream itself -- which promises everyone can join the elite -- the emergence of Richistan is a mixed blessing. "We in America are heading towards 'developing nation' levels of inequality. We would become like Brazil. What does that say about us? What does that say about America?" Frank said.
In 1985 there were just 13 US billionaires. Now there are more than 1,000. In 2005 the US saw 227,000 new millionaires being created. One survey showed that the wealth of all US millionaires was $30 trillion, more than the GDPs of China, Japan, Brazil, Russia and the EU combined.
The rich have now created their own economy for their needs, at a time when the average worker's wage rises will merely match inflation and where 36 million people live below the poverty line. In Richistan sums of money are rendered almost meaningless because of their size. It also has other names. There is the "Platinum Triangle" used to describe the slice of Beverly Hills where many houses go for above $10m. Then there is the Jewel Coast, used to describe the strip of Madison Avenue in Manhattan where boutique jewelry stories have sprung up to cater for the new riches' needs. Or it exists in the MetCircle society, a Manhattan club open only to those whose net worth is at least $100m.
The reason behind the sudden wealth boom is, according to some experts, the convergence of a new technology -- the internet and other computing advances -- with fluid and speculative markets. It was the same in the late 19th century when the original Gilded Age of conspicuous wealth and deep poverty was spawned by railways and the industrial age. At the same time government has helped by doling out corporate tax breaks. In the 1950s the proportion of federal income from company taxes was 33 per cent, by 2003 it was just 7.4 percent. Some 82 of America's largest companies paid no tax at all in at least one of the first three years of the administration of President George W. Bush.
But who are the new rich? Some of the names are familiar, Microsoft tycoon Bill Gates and savvy stock investor Warren Buffett. But most are unknown, often springing from the secretive world of financial hedge funds. Men like James Simons, who took home compensation of $1.7bn last year. Last year the 25 top earning hedge fund bankers in the US earned an average of $570m each. The average US household income is $50,000.
It is such men -- and they are usually men -- who feed the outlandish luxury goods economy of Richistan. It is they who are responsible for the rebirth of the butler industry, which was all but dead in the Seventies and is now facing a shortage of trained staff. So keen is the demand that many can expect to earn a six-figure salary when they graduate from booming butler schools.
Then there is the runaway feeder-industry of luxury consumer items. The new ultra rich turn up their noses at Rolexes; the sought-after brand is Franck Muller, which sells a high-end timepiece for $736,000. Or try a Mont Blanc pen, encrusted in jewels, for $700,000. Louis Vuitton's most exclusive handbag sells for $42,000. Only 24 were ever made and none ever touched a shelf as all were pre-sold to Richistani clients.
In places such as Manhattan and Los Angeles, restaurants and bars outdo themselves in excess. New York's Algonquin Hotel has a $10,000 "martini on a rock" (it comes with a diamond at the bottom of the glass). City eateries sell burgers for more than $50. One offers a $1,000 omelette. In Los Angeles there is a craze for Bling mineral water -- at $90 a bottle.
Then there are the boats. The private yacht industry in America has been caught in an arms race of size and luxuriousness. So far, there has been a clear winner: Oracle-founder Larry Ellison's 450 foot water palace, the Rising Sun. More than 80 rooms on five stories and a landing craft that carries a Jeep, a basketball court doubling as a helipad and a fully-equipped cinema.
Now an Oregon-based company is taking things further: private submarines. An estimated 100 or so private subs are now drifting around the world's oceans. Then there are the rockets -- several notable billionaires are now leading the way in private exploration of space. One of them is Robert Bigelow who has ploughed $500m into trying to build an inflatable space hotel. A miniature prototype model was successfully launched and tested last month. In a scene that perhaps James Bond would find familiar, armed guards now patrol the fences of Bigelow Aerospace's headquarters wearing badges decorated with an alien as their corporate logo.
But this is not just a world of riches gone mad that the rest of America can ignore. The growth of such a large super-rich class, coupled with a deepening poverty in many communities, is starting to tear at the fabric of society. Even some of the most wealthy -- like Gates and Buffett -- have spoken openly of the needs to address the massive "inequality gap" that they have come to exemplify. In effect, some of the very richest Americans are calling for themselves to be taxed. In a speech last month Buffett -- the third richest man in the world -- pointed out that his tax rate was 17.7 per cent of his income while his secretary was taxed at 30 per cent. "Many of the new super-rich are looking long term at the world and they see a collapsing US education system and health-care system and the disappearance of the middle class and they realize: this is bad for everybody," said Frank.
Defenders of low tax for the very rich point to the theory of trickledown economics -- the spending power of the rich benefiting the poor. But while the super-rich have boomed, the earning power of the average and poor citizen has not nearly matched the performance of the elite. In 2005 the top one per cent of earners in the US gained 14 per cent in income in real terms, while the rest of the country gained less than one per cent. The situation is especially bad for the severely poor -- those living at half the poverty level -- whose numbers are at a 32-year high. The rich are getting richer but are not bringing everyone else with them. "If you look at the impact of the last 20 years it seems pretty clear that trickledown just does not work," said Paul Buchheit, economics professor at Chicago's Harold Washington College.
There are some signs of a change in attitude. Recent huge Wall Street flotations such as the listing of private equity giants like Blackstone have created a push in Congress for taxes on the instant billionaires they have created. Scandals of excess such as Enron and WorldCom and the trial of Conrad Black have been high-profile. But few politicians, needing campaign cash from new millionaires, will get far preaching higher tax. Calls for more equality tend to have come from men like Buffett and Gates whose fortunes are so enormous that a little extra tax would make no difference. Bush has pushed to phase out taxes like the estate tax, which benefit only the rich. "I don't see it changing. No matter what administration is in power," said Buchheit.
But many think it must change. To a large degree, the debate over the booming lives of the super-rich is an argument about the American soul. America is a country that has always worshiped wealth, where the creation of a fortune was seen as virtuous and a source of pride.
But now that huge wealth has started to squeeze the "middle class" out of existence, leaving the haves and have-nots in very separate worlds. It is possible that political will may develop to address the problem or that the problem will correct itself. The notorious end of the Gilded Age came in the panic of 1893 that sank America into depression.
Frank believes the signs of a coming storm are there. "The trick is to spot when prosperity turns to excess," he said. "When a large amount of people make a lot money very quickly it's a sign you are near the top of the market."
In a world of mega-yachts, private submarines and space hotels, that peak might be close at hand. And it's a long way down.
Billionaire's row
-- There are 7.5 million households in America worth up to $10m. A further two million are worth $10m-$100m and thousands are worth more than $100m.
-- There is now a two-year waiting list for 200ft yachts. If put end to end, the boats on that list, which cost $50m each, would be 15 miles long.
-- Sebonack Golf Club in the Hamptons, Long Island, charges $650,000 for membership. That doesn't include the $12,000 annual dues, or tips for caddies.
-- Google founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page have a private Boeing 767.
-- John D. Rockefeller was America's first billionaire. Adjusted for inflation, he had $14 billion -- less than the net worth of each of Sam Walton's five children today. There were 13 US billionaires in 1985. Now there are more than 1,000. There are as many millionaires in North Carolina as in India.
-- "Affluent" is Richistani for "not really rich." According to Frank, you need about $10m to be considered entry-level rich.
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Posted by: zyxwvut on Jul 30, 2007 12:37 AM
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So if a person who has fifty-million dollars spends about three quarters of a million on a watch, that is equivalent to a person with thirty-thousand dollars spending about $450 on a watch (the ratio is 1:66.66666 or 3:200 or 1.5%).
Granted, the situation between the relative purchasing power of a person with millions of bucks and someone living on an average income isn't nearly this simple. But it is comforting to know that whenever there are super-rich people, there will always be super-opportunistic people who come along and sell them trendy, luxury versions of what are essentially the same goods and services as the rest of us buy and use.
We spend a few thousand dollars on a vacation, they spend a million. We spend $10-15 on a haircut, they spend $1,000-1,500.
There is a twisted equality in this, but it only goes so far. In the end, a rich person does not have to worry about becoming homeless or being denied medical care if there is a little turbulence in his or her financial situation. So there are many absolute differences.
I need to figure out a way to sell rich people coffee for $100 per cup.
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» RE: Coffee fo $100 per cup.
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» Gold flake coffee beans. LOL
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» RE: The dumb rich could spend in proportions similar to the average person.
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Posted by: ZPaul on Jul 30, 2007 2:36 AM
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Posted by: Nigelthebriton on Jul 30, 2007 2:59 AM
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So, slumber on, Murdoch et al - while you can!
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» My thoughts, EXACTLY.... Hard to spend all that money while watching.....
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 30, 2007 3:12 AM
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Good article. Lots of interesting stuff about the excesses and dumb spending habits of the so-called "smart money". You could build a good documentary with this...maybe the next Michael Moore movie.
The trouble is that the myth of the American Dream is so hardcoded in our culture that the message of this article could be lost. Just like the pre-Depression years, a lot of average working Joes take it as inspiration to get rich themselves--regardless of the odds against them--and miss the point.
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» Everywhere I look...
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» The Fear is something each of us has to deal with ourselves. WE control how we feel....
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 30, 2007 4:27 AM
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Well, you know
We all want to change the world....
We may not chance the world but we will change this country. Count on it.
Tom Degan
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» Even little Paulie McCartney grew up to cash in...
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» Dr. Winston O'Boogie put it well - far too optimistic
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Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Jul 30, 2007 4:36 AM
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The actual flow is trickle-up. One of these days it may just trickle up in their faces.
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» Necessarily Trickle-Up
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» Cause and effect, or self-fulfilling prophecy?
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» You've got a point, but which do you think it is?
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» Fair enough.
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» The system is geared to prevent savings....everytime we get ahead,...Inflation rears its
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» "Trickle-down" summarized: "If your feet stink, you should wash your hair."
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Posted by: Cruella on Jul 30, 2007 4:50 AM
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Our real rich-poor divide is elderly women. The pensions gap is a disgrace and the cost of heating fuel is rising much faster than the level of income these people get.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 30, 2007 4:56 AM
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What is the medium income of everyone in America? The answer is much lower.
Cheers!
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» U.S. Median Income
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» Funny thing about Gates...
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Posted by: bob t on Jul 30, 2007 5:27 AM
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Being around for that long I know for a fact that Gates STOLE his way to the top.
I remember when he sold DOS to IBM and DOS didn't even exist. It existed only in the minds of the guys whose office was in the building next door to the building where he had an office.
I remember every program created by others and which he stole from them.
I remember when he stole windows from XEROX's Palo Alto Research Center(PARC).
And that is what the Republicans call free enterprise.
Thats what Bill Gates and free enterprise is all about.
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» Thats not free enterprise, that is monopoly by theft...... our gov is not enforcing Anti-Trust laws.
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» Exactly, thus they are entrepreneurs...... They wouldn't have to worry about the anti-trust laws...
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Posted by: zutronius on Jul 30, 2007 5:39 AM
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Sigh :(
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» Get out of fantasy land and go reread that post above again..... there is insufficient resources..
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» Sorry, if i misread your post, I have been sick so its probably my head is screwed on wrong.... LOL
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» Might as well just burn it!
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» I should have said...
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Posted by: fdgsr on Jul 30, 2007 5:52 AM
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In the case of people like Warren Buffet; they do not consume much more than anyone else. They eat the same number of calories of food, but part with more of their easy money for it. Only a small fraction of a $1000 cup of coffee is coffee; the rest is an appearance of control over the money. It is not. The rich could not be richer if they spent $1.00 for the coffee. They could be more in control of the wealth, but the cost of the coffee content would be the same. To choose to spend $1000 for coffee gives the feeling of wealth.
The rich sequester the evidence of wealth of the nations and the world, which is perceived value. Perceived value is represented in terms of money, not calories. They keep the money working to produce a cash flow by providing for the flow down to the workers who are influenced to produce by a promise to pay a wage or a price that they accept. Those who refuse the price are the real poor. So long as more can be produced with the available effort than anyone could possibly buy, there will be wealth. So long as some refuse the price at the bottom, there will be poverty. So long as the rich get satisfaction by throwing crumbs to scrambling people at the bottom of the feeding chain there will be charity.
The only problem of morality is the care of the unfortunate. It is unfortunate that there are sick people near the bottom, lame people near the bottom, and lazy people at the bottom. The sick, lame and lazy at the top will take care of the sick, lame and lazy at the bottom. It is called charity. Charity is paying for those who cannot or will not produce the value of their consumption.
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» POUM (Possibility of Upward Mobility)
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Posted by: Gegner on Jul 30, 2007 6:45 AM
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The 'wealth' that is 'accumulated' (read stolen) by the super rich in fact represents raises the workers did not receive and lower prices the customer never sees.
Workers/consumers are mercilessly exploited so capitalists can 'capture' excess(ive) value...and line their own pockets with it.
There is another way.
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» "free market" as a religion, NO.
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» I noticed the backhanded slap
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Jul 30, 2007 6:53 AM
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The world will soon be energy-poor, and the countries that succeed will be those who adapt. America is structured around cheap energy, but the usefulness of that paradigm has run its course. There is a lot to do and not much time to do it in. What really frightens me is that our leaders, in politics and business, seem more interested in tapping our unrealistic expectations for profits than in adapting to the new reality.
It has been noted in studies that once we reach a point in income where we have a degree of security, then additional income does not improve our happiness. Take that, Uber-Rich. But here in America, we have made poverty and even middle-class life terribly stressful and unfulfilling.
Much of what we accept as lifestyle "improvement" has a neutral or even negative effect on our overall sense of well-being. Since there is no way that the American lifestyle is in any way sustainable, it is high time we change. We need to recalibrate our societal expectations to match the requirement for an energy-frugal lifestyle, and remake the infrastructure of this country to make that type of lifestyle more palatable.
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» Hahahahahaha!!!!!!
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Posted by: jcrw on Jul 30, 2007 7:17 AM
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Human life and progress is possible only in a world that is ecologically sustainable and in which the global economy is democratically based to provide for universal human needs.
For centuries capitalist greed has been the motivating force behind slavery, racism, colonialism, and world wars. Today, with global warming, the U.S. corporate ruling elite threatens to destroy the entire planet to maximize greed and profit for itself. The natural and economic resources essential to the vast majority of peoples for survival are being exploited and privatized for the greed and profit of a few.
The 500 year reign of barbaric capitalism must end now if humanity is to survive this century.
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» Exactly!
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» Sorry
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» Karl Marx was RIGHT!
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» All systems have a history of repression and exploitation including socialism.....
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Posted by: smendler on Jul 30, 2007 7:28 AM
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Posted by: smendler on Jul 30, 2007 7:35 AM
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One (admittedly over-simplified) way to characterize the present struggle would be as a fight between "ENOUGH" and "MORE." There are some people who realize that there is such a thing as ENOUGH, and everyone ought to be able to have it. Others, on the other hand, think that there must always be MORE (power, wealth, yachts, whatever) and they're willing to do whatever it takes (kill, enslave, pillage, cheat, destroy the environment - either directly or secondhand if they're squeamish) to get it.
That's one meaning of "ENOUGH" - the other, of course, is that there are certain things of which we have had quite ENOUGH already! And at some point, a critical number of folks might come to realize that ENOUGH REALLY IS ENOUGH...!
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» An even more interesting question to pose to anyone
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» Artificial scarcity is a good motivator
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» Wealth is finite?
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» Yes, it is.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 30, 2007 7:54 AM
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All right, what’s going on here?
Why aren’t you people at work?
Are you blogging from home or maybe sneaking a peek at the office? Shame on you.
I’m semi-retired and that’s my excuse.
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» This IS our work-
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» I am not at work because I am doing civil disobedience and refuse to slave for anyone.
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Posted by: lesterliu on Jul 30, 2007 8:00 AM
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Posted by: vwaites on Jul 30, 2007 8:00 AM
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We are once again in a form of the system we liberated ourselves from in 1776. Thomas Paine said then, that if we rid ourselves of the burden of the Bourgeoisie, we could afford public education and other social programs. Now, here we are, listening to canidates talking of getting rid of these same social programs in order to control an out of control deficit.
Look at the French revolution to see where this is all headed. Just subsititute oil for bread.
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» OR A FRIGGEN REVOLUTION WITH A GUILLOTINE.........
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Posted by: eddie torres on Jul 30, 2007 8:34 AM
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Compare that with how Rupert Murdoch and Conrad Black operate in the media biz, James Simons or Michael Berger in the hedge fund biz, and Philip Anschutz or Joe Nacchio run telecoms.
For every oligarch who publically mirrors some stylized ideal of the American Dream, there's an alter-ego billionaire on the run from the law or under investigation or hiding out in a non-extradition tax haven.
It's not because "there's always a few bad apples". It's because there are never enough investigators.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jul 30, 2007 8:48 AM
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As for those who say "well, socialism didn't work in Russia, China, etc." my answer is that the "socialism" in those countries was NEVER the socialism of Marx. It was a "statist" socialism---not a true workers social democracy.
We need a true socialist workers democracy in this country and the world. Until then all the hand wringing, the quick fixes, the "reforms", the this-or-that latest report on income inequality---all these are just band-aids on the cracks in the dike.
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Posted by: otto on Jul 30, 2007 9:04 AM
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Posted by: carolecraig on Jul 30, 2007 9:08 AM
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Posted by: H_H on Jul 30, 2007 9:26 AM
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Ah, so the wives of these fat cats wish for no fur coats or diamond pendants or trips to private Caribbean islands. These long-suffering female victims are forced to consume such finery, I suppose. They eat caviar only because guns are being held against their temples.
If it wasn't for that, billionaire's wives would surely live like ascetics, subsisting only on bread and water.
Buffy: "What? You got me sapphire earrings?! I will wear NO sure finery, you capitalist swine. Any jewel is too big and fancy for my Spartan tastes and don't even try to make me live in your fabulous hill-top mansion. All I want is to meditate in this barren mud-brick thatched-roof hovel."
Dick: "You refuse these jewels? (SLAP!) I'LL MAKE YOU WEAR THEM! (SLAP!) MUWAHAHAH!"
Buffy: "NOOOOO! I'm being forced to consume luxury goods! My life of self-denial and simpleness has been ruined! (SOB!)"
Yeah, that's surely how it goes...
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Posted by: Paul Cardwell on Jul 30, 2007 9:26 AM
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Before that, they declared the inside lane of limited access highways to be "for passing only". This gave them the term "Nazi lanes" after the first Autobahn which reserved that lane for high (Gauleiter or higher) Nazi officials - later expanded to include Waffen SS units during the war. This still exists in that they have no speed limits and so were first used exclusively by war profiteers and now by industrialists born after that era. Those are the only ones who can afford the fast cars.
Those who refuse to study history...
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Posted by: sculptor on Jul 30, 2007 10:40 AM
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Posted by: Jbuuty on Jul 30, 2007 10:43 AM
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Look at the decrease in quality of education, and the difficulty that working-class kids have in going to college. (I benefited from government help to go to college, just before Reagan the class wars.)
Look at the wide separation in health care between classes.
Look at the inability of the lower class to participate in the political process.
As the article mentions, the lack of contact between rich and the rest.
Also look at the rising crime, and violent crime. It reminds me of Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa. The rich live protected, the poor suffer violence.
Look at the level of government corruption in this administration. It is reaching 3rd world levels. Political prosecutions and legal threats against those opposing the ruling party. Stolen elections.
This is the Bush model!! It needs to be stopped.
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Posted by: freethink7 on Jul 30, 2007 11:01 AM
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Look around at what you are witnessing economically, socially and politically in this country…..it's all perpetuated by the Federal Reserve System. The Federal Reserve is illegal….it must be thoroughly researched by Americans, please research and abolish this illegal banking system. We must take our country back from this cartel of private international bankers. Federal Reserve owns our banking system = they own our country.
Since it is privately owned by a group of private international/global bankers (it is not a federal agency nor is there a “reserve”), the Federal Reserve does not support the majority of the American people’s interests (masses/middle class/and lower classes). In fact, it does the quite the opposite. Federal Reserve is synonymous with a central bank and is beholden to the interests of the extremely wealthy. Wealth consolidation is their game.
Simply put: The Federal Reserve creates economic cycles of boom and bust (our current recession, 1929 crash) thus enabling this group of private bankers to make enormous amounts money during these cycles (buy low – sell high). Our graduated income tax pays the exorbitant interest of Federal Reserve loans to banks here and abroad.
Incidentally, a central bank and graduated income tax are two separate planks in the Communist Manifesto. (This is explained explicitly in the book references below).
The Federal Reserve also encourages the following:
Fed encourages perpetual war(s) and funds both sides of conflicts
Fed is a tool/mechanism for usury/outrageous interest
Fed is a supreme instrument of totalitarianism in U.S. and globally
Fed promotes new world order/one world government (end of U.S. sovereignty)
Fed encourages a Plutocracy/Feudal system
Fed abhors middle class and encourages a feudal system
Fed promotes communism and/or fascism
The Federal Reserve is in fact supported by mostly unthinking albeit well-intentioned American people who have not thoroughly researched the issue of the Federal Reserve and all it’s negative economic, political, and social ramifications. Years of social conditioning tantamount to brainwashing through our news media (that these private bankers incidentally control) has led Americans to believe that the Federal Reserve is owned and operated by Americans……but this is not true. If we wish to be a real republic and democracy, invigorate the middle class…..we must abolish to Federal Reserve and take back our country.
Sources (Books):
The Creature From Jekyll Island
Case Against the Fed
None Dare Call It Conspiracy
Treason: The New World Order
(please: no baseless comments that I am a right-winger – pushing a right wing agenda……nothing could be further from the truth, I am an independent liberal deeply concerned about the massive wealth consolidation and loss of middle class that has occurred over the past 7-8 years)
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» RE: Please: Educate Yourself About the Federal Reserve System
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» Sculptor, I am afraid he is right and you need to read and educate yourself, its that important.
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» RE: Sculptor, I am afraid he is right and you need to read and educate yourself, its that important.
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» Ok, in the BIG picture that point is minor,,,,, so I won't bother to argue with you about it.
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» Gee, You guys forgot the part about the illuminatti...
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» RE: Ok, in the BIG picture that point is minor,,,,, so I won't bother to argue with you about it.
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» Its obvious you haven't read the "Creature from Jekell Island or seen the video "Money Masters"
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» The banks are ripping people off but not for the reasons outlined by Jekyll Island mythology.
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» Oh, great, no wonder we are in trouble. Here is another one who has no clue.........
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 30, 2007 11:29 AM
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Tax the rich. Feed, house, and clothe the poor.
Want to bitch that they didn't "earn" it? Neither did the super wealthy. They don't make their money by working. The rich might sometimes earn their wealth.. the super-rich never do. They just take wealth they did earn and use it to employ other people to do the work for them while they reap the profits... while usually paying others as little as possible. Which is why we need to tax them to feed, house, and clothe the working poor in the first place!
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Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Jul 30, 2007 11:34 AM
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The US is over $9 Trillion dollars in debt.
Technically, the US could borrow $500 Trillion dollars and give it away to various citizens, making instant millionaires of many people overnight.
Its just going to raise inflation and soon your kids monopoly money will be worth more than a US dollar bill.
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Posted by: locutusofborg on Jul 30, 2007 11:54 AM
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It's time we started taxing the rich first. The government should take 99% of income over $1.6 million, indexed for inflation. The only deduction should be for investments in productive enterprises.
If more taxes than this are needed, then the government should take 90% of the income over $383,000 a year - where the top 1% starts. After that, it can start taxing the rest of us at the lowest possible rate - and leave out the bottom 20%, who make under $13,478, entirely.
This will benefit working families directly through lower taxes - and indirectly, by encouraging investment and discouraging exorbitant executive salaries. It's a question of simple fairness. None should enjoy outrageous luxury while most of the rest of us suffer.
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Zeitgeist The Movie Part 3
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Posted by: Trazom on Jul 30, 2007 1:03 PM
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In this wealth-oriented society, money works against the working man always, while working for the rich man. Think of interest.
The game was rigged from the get-go.
The only way to succeed as a non-rich person is to refuse to play the game.
Wealthy people who horde their wealth are diminishing society. Theirs is money that has been taken out of the game, thus leaving less to share with everyone else. A person with $100 million in the bank just collecting interest is not benefitting anyone. Yet 1 million middle class folks who buy $100 worth of groceries are supporting tens of thousands of workers in the agriculture and food prep business.
The question is, how much longer can the guy with $100 million increase his balance while fewer and fewer families can afford $100 for their weekly groceries?
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Posted by: xbj on Jul 30, 2007 2:22 PM
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Wealth and power is a curse. One look at every last single one of the endless number of assholes who have it proves this beyond all shadow of all possible doubt. Even the decent are insufferable assholes, only decent in comparison to the most reprehensible of their kind.
Never envy the rich; they live in hell. Which is why they are eating the middle class, where the majority of happiness truly is. The rich want everyone in the world to be at either one of the two extremes where hell truly exists; wealth and extreme poverty.
But of the two, there is even far more happiness among the extremely poor than there is among the wealthy.
Wealth was invented by Lucifer to give humanity just enough rope to hang itself with, one by one by one.
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» You cannot buy sobriety, as addiction teaches us. The rich have lost appreciation for the priceless.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Jul 30, 2007 3:53 PM
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Now it is the white peoples turn!
REVOLUTION NOW!
Forget about voting-the machines are rigged. I KNOW-I was a Democrat poll watcher for the bush/kerry elections. I WATCHED the votes change!
We need to take to the streets-
"When in the course of human events, it becomes NECESSARY----"
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Posted by: picket on Jul 30, 2007 4:30 PM
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Raising TAXES ON THIS RICH ENTITY would double the enormous profits reaped by its executives but Schumer who often portrays himself as a supporter of the the struggles of the middle class had to pass on this one. WHY???
Campaign Finance Reform is VERY VERY important ...to replace these millionaire Congressmen.
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» Amen to that. Clean Elections are the way to go.
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Posted by: George DeCarlo on Jul 30, 2007 4:52 PM
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Michael Parenti had also answered this question in a speech he gave viewable on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a9VnxZEHGg (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97_EHQBVgg (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdiPnvYLvWM (Part 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-D24ZEae5o (Part 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir3WKY4pJE4 (Part 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEEdcDWFr_0 (Part 6)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjI3qWyeTeA (Part 7)
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Posted by: EncinoM on Jul 30, 2007 8:15 PM
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Grow up, life was never promised to be fair.
Life is a competion, some people go handicapped, some got the short end of the stick.
Try working for a living instead of bitching that others have more.
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» The first income tax
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» That's just the way it is---some things will never change---that's just the way it is----
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» The US has NEVER been an egalitarian, or equal, society!
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Posted by: talkville on Jul 31, 2007 1:59 AM
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 31, 2007 7:59 AM
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None of the above.
How long would it take to organize an Emergency Election?
We ought to have the right to choose “None of the above.”
If fifty per cent of voters choose “none of the above,” then we ought to declare a new election and wipe the “slate” of candidates by a process of elimination, disqualifying Corporate Candidates according to how much they received from Big Spender Billionaires and corporations.
People who don’t vote, don’t understand that someone they didn’t vote for is going to be daily making life and death decisions that can effect them like a bullet through the head. Forget the idiots who don’t vote voluntarily, they shouldn’t be voting anyway. But don’t forget, there are millions of dark-skinned voters, who don’t vote, involuntarily. That’s the way our political system operates.
Criminals, fascists and those who profit from a corrupt system of government have seized control of our country. Plutocrats, Republicans and DINO’s have usurped the democratic process, replaced it with a criminal enterprise, and they will stop at nothing to maintain their wealth and dominance.
No matter who wins the next, or the next, or the next election, nothing will change for a majority of Americans. Those who betrayed “the people” still control the political process and will never reform a system that treats them like royalty. They not only make the law, they are above the law, and that’s the way they mean to keep it.
When elections can be rigged with impunity, democracy is over.
It’s going to be interesting to see how “the land of the brave and the free” rationalize this reality.
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Posted by: yellow on Jul 31, 2007 9:27 AM
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» The US Press is far from Ready to Deal with US Wealth/Income Inequality as a Core Mainstream Issue!!
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Posted by: DogSalad on Jul 31, 2007 10:43 AM
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Start growing your own food and get ready for the big one
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Posted by: Tomover on Jul 31, 2007 12:33 PM
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It's a common phenomenon: when faced with difficulties or other causes of frustration, human beings may be inclined to blame this or that person or this or that category of people.
Blaming "the poor" is the wrong approach, but so is blaming "the rich". I suggest we focus on what we have in common as human beings, while we go about making changes to our systems for allocating resources.
I support changes to the tax structure, changes to how our government spends that money, and changes to how we as a society define the "American dream" and what it means to be "successful."
But I don't agree with blaming America's super rich, anymore than I would agree with someone in a "poor" nation who may hate people like you and me, who have the luxury of instaneous water only footsteps away, refrigerated food, or electricity and other technology that we use to do such things as read and write via our computers.
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» The rich ARE the problem-
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Posted by: fhughes on Jul 31, 2007 1:14 PM
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F.P. Hughes ej245@freenet.carleton.ca
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» Talkville, You've got it Right. Humans are part of Nature but more of Culture. They Create Society!
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» RE: Uh, I AM rich, and I DON'T buy this shit, and my money goes to make a better world
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» So you named yourself Fox after your beloved propagandists? You prefer exploiters to social justice!
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» RE: So you named yourself Fox after your beloved propagandists? You prefer exploiters to social justice!
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Posted by: unity1 on Aug 1, 2007 7:49 PM
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bill gates for instance continues to get rich via MS by ripping off everyone with his outrageous prices for software that always needs patches and updates in order to work - I don't know the other billionares - but if one is willing to pay that much for a bloody omelete I don't want to know them, the old saying that only a fool doesn't know the value of a dollar springs to mind - these obsenely rich bastards have no respect for money nor for the rest of us - and they will soon be the only ones rich enough to trash the planet with their toys
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Posted by: metamind on Aug 3, 2007 11:11 AM
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Teach virtue. Generosity is a virtue. Repsonsibility is a virtue. If you want to be wealthy then you need to accept responsibility for your wealth. That means you need to share it generously with those in need.
Selfishness is not a virtue.
Decadence is not a virtue.
Greed is not a virtue.
Teach virtue to the rich. Tell them the "right way to be" over and over and over again.
And say to them:
"I want you to be virtuous with your wealth.Power and responsibility go together. If you have power, you are responsible."
Share the wealth ... intelligently with kind consideration of all.
Steve Moyer
http://stevemoyer.us
http://teachvirtue.com
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Posted by: donl51 on Aug 5, 2007 6:01 PM
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Posted by: twa on Aug 13, 2007 1:37 PM
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So keep talking about it, by all means. However, with a decade of experience under my belt, I'm confident that Americans won't figure it out until they qualify for Third World Aid from the United Nations. With peak oil on the horizon, this should be within our lifetimes.
No one can say we didn't try to warn them.
All the best,
Paul
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