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Rights and Liberties

Five Ways Bush's Era of Repression Has Stolen Your Liberties Since 9/11

By Matthew Rothschild, The New Press. Posted July 24, 2007.


In his new book, Matt Rothschild examines how the Bush White House constructed the edifice of repression to brazenly access our private data and shred the judicial process.
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The following is an excerpt of Matthew Rothschild's "You Have No Rights: Stories of America in an Age of Repression" (The New Press, 2007).

To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists. ... They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends.
-- former attorney general John Ashcroft

You're either with us or against us. -- George W. Bush

Today's America is a much less free place than the America of 2000. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, the Bush administration has, by word and by deed, erected an edifice of repression here in the United States.

We've been living in it ever since. And it's not a comfortable place. The government is monitoring your phone calls and can read your e-mails and open your snail mail.

The government can access records of your large financial transactions, such as buying a house.

Law enforcement officers can bust into your home when you're not there, riffle through your belongings, plant a recording device on your computer, and leave without notifying you for at least thirty days -- and maybe a lot more.

You no longer have the right to protest where the president or vice president can see you, or at major public events when they aren't even present.

Law enforcement officers can now monitor you in public if you are merely exercising your political rights.

They can infiltrate your political organizations.

And they can keep track of you at your place of worship. The government can find out from bookstores and libraries the material you've been reading, and the bookstore owner and the librarian can't talk about it, except to their lawyers, for a whole year -- or more.

The government can hold you in preventive detention for months on end as a "material witness."

If you're not a citizen the government can deport you on a technicality or for mere political association.

If you're not a citizen the government can label you an "enemy combatant" and send you to secret prisons around the world, where you may never see the light of day again -- much less a lawyer or a judge. And even if you are a citizen, the government can label you an enemy combatant and hold you in solitary confinement here in the United States.

Under George W. Bush's interpretation of the president's powers during the so-called war on terror he can do just about whatever he wants. He cites the Authorization for Use of Military Force bill, which Congress passed on September 18, 2001, as the justification for this enormous leeway.

"Congress gave me the authority to use necessary force to protect the American people, but it didn't prescribe the tactics,"Bush said in a speech at Kansas State University on January 23, 2006. Those tactics, he presumes, are totally up to him. Under this rationale Bush could send F-16s to attack a residential area in, say, Indianapolis if he thought Al Qaeda suspects were there.

Lest you think I'm exaggerating, check out the February 13, 2006, issue of Newsweek:

A Justice Department official suggested that in certain circumstances, the President might have the power to order the killing of terrorist suspects inside the United States. ... Steven Bradbury, acting head of the department's office of Legal Counsel, went to a closed-door Senate Intelligence committee meeting last week to defend President George W. Bush's surveillance program. During the briefing, said Administration and Capitol Hill officials (who declined to be identified because the session was private), California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein asked Bradbury questions about the ex- tent of Presidential powers to fight Al Qaeda; could Bush, for instance, order the killing of a Qaeda suspect known to be on U.S. soil? Bradbury replied that he believed Bush could indeed do this, at least in certain circumstances.

Yes, the U.S. government has a primary obligation to protect us all from another attack. But there needs to be a legal limit; there needs to be a respect for our Constitution and our liberties. Otherwise, as Senator Russ Feingold pointed out, "this country won't be America."

What the Bush administration did after 9/11 was not to engage in precise police work to find any would-be terrorists in our midst. Instead, it issued edicts and enacted laws that curtailed all of our freedoms. And it cast a gigantic dragnet over Arabs and Muslims in this country, treating many of them with a de facto presumption of guilt. To put those experiences in context we need to examine how the Bush administration constructed the edifice of repression.

It got the job done, in part, by blasting those who dared to dissent. When the president's former press secretary Ari Fleischer told people they should "watch what they say" after comedian Bill Maher on ABC's Politically Incorrect dared to question the label of "cowards" that Bush had slapped on the suicide bombers, it sent a message. As did the canceling of Maher's show. As did Bush's repeated assertion that "you're either with us or against us."


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Matthew Rothschild is the editor of The Progressive and author of "You Have No Rights: Stories of America in an Age of Repression" (The New Press, 2007).

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Power, fear and the destruction of liberty...
Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jul 24, 2007 12:11 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
An excellent article.

Rights are not taken at the point when they're physically violated or restricted, but rather, at the point in time when power is created that allows politicians to take them in the future.

Bush and this criminal gang have usurped great powers, and even if nothing has personally happened to you, it's still of grave concern to all Americans.

Of course, there are many who live their lives in fear - that claim we need to do this to protect the country. But, terrorism will never, ever destroy this country. It can't. If our liberty is destroyed, our way of life ended - it will come from within. It will come from politicians like Bush, who believe in their ultimate power far more than your freedom.

That's my rant on the subject. Some further reading here:

"You Are Destroying America. Yes, You." - click here

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» They All Do It Posted by: edith
» Left Coast Progressive fails again???? Posted by: Conservasaurus
We've already passed the point of no return
Posted by: Lector on Jul 24, 2007 1:14 AM   
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As an example of how things change, Turkey is attempting to root out torture and insure legal safeguards when the US, an original protector of human rights, is headed in the opposite direction using the pretext of the 9/11 event, the day the US lost its mind and the enemy won because Americans now live in fear. We seem to be becoming the lawless barbarians, the old Russia with its repressive apparatus, and just as nasty.

In America, people are wondering whether we will devolve into a police state. Well, it certainly looks like one now. The effect of lost civil liberties hasn’t been felt by everyone yet. And like Boldin says, we are our own worst enemy. But now that Americans have lost so many liberties, it's doubtful we will ever get them back out of the kindness of the hearts of those fanatics who took them away.


Lightfoot

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The UK is no better
Posted by: Cruella on Jul 24, 2007 2:21 AM   
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And the worst thing is they are so subtle about it.

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» RE: The UK is no better Posted by: mudcat
» Nor is Australia. Posted by: justaguy
trusting the executive is SO English
Posted by: Suzon on Jul 24, 2007 3:43 AM   
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It is underpins government in the UK, which is effectively a lawless country. The "royal prerogative" is the concept that the king or queen can do no wrong and therefore anything done "in the name of the Crown" will of course be fine and dandy.

Thus, it is very rare for police to be prosecuted for wrongdoing and unknown for company executives to be prosecuted for fraud (corporations also having immunity). The military can do no wrong. Lawyers and judges can do no wrong. Wouldn't do to embarrass the Queen.

The UK is sometimes thought of as the 51st state, but under the present administration, the US has returned to being an English colony. "King George" says it all.

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Complicit class mercenaries are equally guilty as class thugs: Partners in dictatorship
Posted by: Perfectclue on Jul 24, 2007 4:02 AM   
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The most disgusting and distrubing aspect of all of this, is the role of the appeasing class of Neville Chamberlains, Olbermann's characterizaition, which I agree, of the democrats, who voted with these fascist republicans for Homeland security, bullied at the first sight false patriotism.
Then voted with the Republican Nazis, fully one third of them, to deny detainees their right to a trial, charges, and review in a court. This cowardly appeasing fascist support by many democrats goes hand in hand with their support of Bush's Empire in the Middle East.

Many of the democrats, as a result of their votes in Congress, are complicit war criminals, and warmongerers, especially the corporate democrats, that the corporate media coronates as their class thugs to represent both Amerikan fascist foreign policies and the Zionist policies that justify the criminal policies of Israel. War and dictatorship usually go hand in hand, and many of the people, democrats, voted for nuclear war against Iran, by giving Bush, permission to do so in advance, cowering, groveling at the feet of AIPAC, the Israeli lobby, that corrupts and threatens them if they are not sufficiently fascist in their support of Israel.

The recent support of most democrats in Lieberman' resolution, is another example of the fascist, class nationalism, class ideology that democrats are party to. Hillary, Obama, and most of the democrats should not even run for office, as they are just as guilty of their support of the war and its financed occupation. So why is the corporate media cheerleading their class rot, in the same they lied us into the war. Because many of you out there will not think for yourself, women voting for women, minorities voting for minorities, no matter how servile, rotten and appeasing they are to the very polcies that hurt the majority position against the war in Iraq. You get what you deserve. Vote for complicit war criminals who voted for fascist legislation, and you get the Colin Powells, Condaleeza Rices's, Gonzales's, on in the Democratic version of Hillaries, Obama's, etc.

We have moved towards dictatorship because of the class thugs, but even more because of the class appeasing democrats, who like the Socialist party in the Weimar regime, opened the back door for fascism, and Hitler, only to be swept off the stage and into the prisons camps, their own complicity did them in. Ditto for the whoring Democrats.

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» THANKS: Mindy B; I needed that. nm Posted by: wmGreybeard
Nazi blueprint 1
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 24, 2007 4:29 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
President Bush's Executive Order: Revoking the Right to Dissent?

The Presidential order gives the administration the power to freeze assets of any person or entity considered to be "undermining" efforts to stabilize Iraq.

Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq
Office of the Press Secretary
Tuesday 17 July 2007
Fact sheet: Message to the Congress of the United States Regarding International Emergency Economic Powers Act

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,
I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004. I hereby order:
Section 1. (a) Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense,

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» RE: Nazi blueprint 1,2 & 3 Posted by: wmGreybeard
Nazi blueprint 2
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 24, 2007 4:40 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sec. 4. I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of this order.
Sec. 5. For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that, because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render these measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1(a) of this order.
Sec. 6. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of this order. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of these functions to other officers and agencies of the United States Government, consistent with applicable law. All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order and, where appropriate, to advise the Secre tary of the Treasury in a timely manner of the measures taken.

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Nazi blueprint 3
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 24, 2007 4:44 AM   
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Sec. 7. Nothing in this order is intended to affect the continued effectiveness of any rules, regulations, orders, licenses, or other forms of administrative action issued, taken, or continued in effect heretofore or hereafter under 31 C.F.R. chapter V, except as expressly terminated, modified, or suspended by or pursuant to this order.
Sec. 8. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers or employees, or any other person.
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE,

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Americans have been deluged with Bush’s Executive Orders, but this one is truly ominous. How many Americans remember that Hitler stripped Jews of their wealth, property and means of making a living before he began exterminating them? Republicans seem to be following the Nazi blueprint to impose a fascist dictatorship.

The astonishing thing about Bush’s many Executive Orders, is that they are ignored by the Monopoly Media and Democrats. None of his “Signing Statements” or “Executive Orders” have been discussed or explained by anyone. Does anyone know what they mean? Most of these “Signing Statements” and “Executive Orders” are so disingenuous, complicated and convoluted, it takes a Chinese Lawyer to decypher what they mean.

Who will finally decide the “Decider” has decided way beyond what was his to decide?

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» RE: Nazi blueprint 3 - Posted by: aurora2484
Impeach
Posted by: JSquercia on Jul 24, 2007 4:44 AM   
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Everyone sould see the Bill Moyers PBS show in which a
Conservative Republican his name is Fein makes a GREAT case for impeaching BOTH Cheney AND Bush citing precisely the kind of evidence contained in this article and yet STILL the Media remains silent as our rights are stripped away . He derides the Congress for NOT stepping up to their Constitutional RESPONSIBLITY to provide a check on the Executive Branch . He reminds us of the days when the members of his own Party told Nixon he should do the honorable thing and resign . Unfortunately there is no
such courage among today's Republicans and no such honor in either Bush or Cheney . He notes that Nixon ALLOWED
John Dean the White House Council to testify before Congress . Contrast this with Bush's refusal to allow any of his aides to appear before the Congress . Especially Chilling was the testimony of Sarah Taylor who spoke of taking an Oath to Serve the President . Fein said it reminded him of
Germans who took an oath to the Fuhrer he reminded Ms Taylor that she swore to protect the CONSTITUTION not the President .
As Franklin said those who would trade their Liberty for a little Security desrve Neither .

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» RE: Impeach Posted by: MindyB
» State responsibilities Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» Surely, I don't Jest Posted by: edith
» Feeling lucky, Joshua? Posted by: edith
» RE: Feeling lucky, Joshua? Posted by: bornxeyed
» Kisses to All Posted by: edith
» No, IRS is the New KGB Posted by: edith
we MUST impeach
Posted by: skydog on Jul 24, 2007 5:20 AM   
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There is no alternative. We simply cannot let these Constitutionally-violate precedents be handed down to the next President, and each one in turn thereafter. As conservative Constitutionalist Bruce Fein commented to Bill Moyers, it's like leaving a loaded weapon lying around.

This criminality must be repudiated. But Pelosi, for craven political reasons, claims that impeachment is "off the table." Meanwhile in the Senate, Harry "Faith Based Initiative" Reid won't even entertain Feingold's milquetoast censure resolution.

If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will not fulfill their duty to protect and defend the Constitution, they should likewise be removed from office for violating their oath. The time to the end of Bush's term is completely one hundred percent irrelevant. The 2008 election is completely one hundred percent irrelevant. They must be held to perform their sworn duty.

Perhaps we should be calling for the removal of Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid instead. Maybe then they'll get the message.

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» RE: we MUST impeach Posted by: futurefarm
Humpty Dumpty
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 24, 2007 5:54 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
.

Our elected Representatives don’t seem concerned about Bush’s lawlessness rampage, and they definitely aren’t interested in attempting to check his endless empowerment of himself at the expense of our “balance of powers” or constitution, but don’t worry, they’ve got rock solid plans to win the next election . . . forget Impeachment though.

The Problem is: All the King’s horses and All the King’s men, couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again.

It sure appears that Humpty has been dumped.

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You want Liberty Back?
Posted by: Maggieb on Jul 24, 2007 6:30 AM   
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I have my doubts since you see the problem but not the candidate who gives the solution. The Patriot Act must be repealed and the man who will set us free is RON PAUL.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

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» RE: ead the TRUTH about Ron Paul Posted by: hot karlrove
» RE: Read the TRUTH about Ron Paul Posted by: wmGreybeard
» RE: You want Liberty Back? Posted by: footlite
» RE: You want Liberty Back? Posted by: Illiteratilumen
Cruella, You Rock
Posted by: wagadog on Jul 24, 2007 7:18 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"What I'd like to know is what the alert level is for road traffic accidents and for violence against women."

RIGHT ON!

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Impeach Now!
Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive on Jul 24, 2007 9:14 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
9/11 is the day the US lost its mind. Our totalitarian government heads have been working hard to take freedoms away from people and create a repressive state out of a fairly benign democracy. We don't live in fear but many in the press and our repressant government foster and push fear. A FEAR sensitized populace is what aspiring dictators want.

In America and throughout the world, people are watching while we dummingly dissolve into a police state. There are only a few voices raised in horror at what is happening. Most of the sheeple are traumatized and mesmerized by the everyday machinations. The effect of lost civil liberties hasn’t been felt by everyone. The everyday situations, where you will be slapped against a wall and bitch-searched and cuffed, are not prevalent yet. The appalling thing that can happen to any citizen will occur when they come to your door and haul you away for something you said or wrote. They will confiscate all your accounts and real holdings to feed their system. We have lost so many liberties already: court cases have been adjudicated, precedents have been set. It's doubtful we will ever get them back even with extreme persuance over decades.

Fein, the Conservative Republican (see the Bill Moyers PBS show) made a STRONG case for impeaching BOTH Cheney AND Bush citing and enumerating much evidence. There is no one with cajones in the MSM except Olbermann willing to use cable-waves to impale the creeps in office. Congress has a Constitutional RESPONSIBLITY to provide a check on the Executive Branch . What are they doing? Where are they? This IS the MOST IMPORTANT reason for being in Congress at this time!

Bush has refused to allow any of his aides to appear before the Congress. The most depraved cupidity was the testimony of Sarah Taylor. "I took an oath to Serve the President ." All government employees take oaths to protect the CONSTITUTION, NOT the President.

We cannot let these Constitution violating precedents to be handed to the next President. This loaded weapon must be destroyed!

The election in 2008 is completely irrelevant. Pelosi and Reid's duty is to impeach. If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will not fulfill their duty to protect and defend the Constitution, they must be removed from office for violating their oath. Now is the time to end Bush's reign.

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How Islamic fascists launched a massive attack on the US and started a global war against freedom
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 24, 2007 9:15 AM   
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We have had it so soft. This a war on par with WWII, yet most of us have done nothing and sacrificed nothing. Yes, the government snoops on your computers and has basically a Facebook on all of us. But most of us are left alone (unless you genuinely are up to no good, then get ready for a raid).

I think it hasn't been perfect and many mistakes have been made. But on the whole, the only thing that has come close to ruining my day has been islamic fascists blowing themselves up on my way to work. I take all the snooping to stop that happening again. Oh, and by the way, why aren't we deporting these people?

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» While you're at it.... Posted by: Sushi
How Islamic fascists launched a massive attack on the US and started a global war against freedom
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 24, 2007 9:15 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We have had it so soft. This a war on par with WWII, yet most of us have done nothing and sacrificed nothing. Yes, the government snoops on your computers and has basically a Facebook on all of us. But most of us are left alone (unless you genuinely are up to no good, then get ready for a raid).

I think it hasn't been perfect and many mistakes have been made. But on the whole, the only thing that has come close to ruining my day has been islamic fascists blowing themselves up on my way to work. I take all the snooping to stop that happening again. Oh, and by the way, why aren't we deporting these people?

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» Specify, please Posted by: Curio
» But, Where is the PROOF??? Posted by: sofla100
» RE: But, Where is the PROOF??? Posted by: peacefullaim
NEWS FLASH: Today, July 24, President Bush gave a speech on CNN at Charleston AFB, SC.
Posted by: HughScott on Jul 24, 2007 9:40 AM   
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Because I can no longer stand the sound of George W.'s voice, I wached him on my home office TV with the audio muted. It didn’t take me long to learn that Dub-ya’s speech was a repeat of his stale, fear-mongering mantra about Al Qaeda and Iraq, as shown by various CNN banners, such as:

“Senior Al Qaeda leaders sent to Iraq.”
“Al Qaeda in Iraq has foreign leadership.”
“Bush cites links between Al Qaeda groups.
“Al Qaeda in Iraq directed by foreigners”
“Bush asserts Iraq central to war on terror.”
“Bush: Al Qaeda fosters sectarian strife.”
“Bush” U.S. retreat would embolden Al Qaeda.”

One CNN banner quoted Bush as saying, “Al Qaeda is public enemy number one.”

Wrong, Mr. President. YOU are America’s public enemy number one. Otherwise, we would have eliminated Al Qaeda in Afghanistan four years ago instead of invading Iraq.

Case closed on the most incompetent commander-in-chief in U.S. history.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of the nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, which features the only hardcopy proof of White House corruption ever found on the Internet.

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» Swish Posted by: edith
» Thanks, Edith. Posted by: HughScott
» RE: Thanks, Edith. Posted by: bornxeyed
GRASS-ROOTS __If you do not get off your ass and do it.. IT will not be done.
Posted by: wmGreybeard on Jul 24, 2007 10:08 AM   
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Our congress is so tied to their big contributors that they are doing nothing. Election 2008 is too late. We must demand that IMPEACHMENT begin no later than September 15, 2007. Meet me on the Mall on that Saturday morning. My sign was modified slightly between Memorial day and 4th July. But it will be there on 15 September, if I live that long outside of Jail. "God willing and the creeks don't rise". Some of you vets may remember that from AFN_Europe. I worked there in the 70s.

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Grass-roots___ I forgot to mention, PUBLIC CAMPAIGN FINANCING
Posted by: wmGreybeard on Jul 24, 2007 10:41 AM   
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Although public financing cannot go into effect before Nov. 2008; we can pass the law before then so that the 2010 election could be clean. With limits on spending and no exceptions for Billionairs

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"...primary obligation to protect us all from another attack. "
Posted by: Sushi on Jul 24, 2007 10:58 AM   
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As far as America is concerned, this IS an attack!
Who is protecting us when our leaders are attacking the very freedoms our country represents?

While the blood of American's sons and daughters soak the sands of foreign soil, Americans are being terrorized back here at home by our own "leaders". Along with robbing us of our rights, we are also being robbed of our peace of mind (a "war of mind"?), our treasury and our futures.

Terrorists are not "taking our freedoms"...Bush is! We are living in a Bizarro World where our tormenters are posing as our protectors and saviours!

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"Fear is the Mind Killer..!"
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jul 24, 2007 11:30 AM   
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Look when I write something controversial such as how the FDA has killed far more Americans than al-Qaeda..which is a fact and refer to that agency as al-FDA..!

I just forward it to askdoj@usdoj.gov, this way I save them the trouble and the tax payers the expense of breaking into my apartment and all the rest..

Also I believe the more we "speak our mind and don't back down" the safer and stronger a nation and people we are..!

As the Great Frank Herbert told us:

"Fear is the Mind Killer..!"

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» RE: "Fear is the Mind Killer..!" Posted by: peacefullaim
read your e-mails??? SO WHAT?
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jul 24, 2007 11:42 AM   
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I stopped reading right there.

email is NOT private. Never was.

So this article doesn't pass muster for me. Try again.

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» RE: read your e-mails??? SO WHAT? Posted by: peacefullaim
D of I
Posted by: solrev on Jul 24, 2007 11:56 AM   
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"There's a man with a gun over there...telling me I got to beware...
Stop, hey - what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down..."

What happens in 2012 if everyone is still saying this same rhetoric? One of you journalist should get a copy of the Declaration of Independence and rewrite it. I did it on the fourth of July and I was amazed, a few words changed (one king for another) and a dropped line here and there, and you would swear it was written yesterday. Money talks and bullshit walks and they have the money.

"There's a man with the money over there...telling me I got to beware...
Stop, hey - what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down..."

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» RE: D of I Posted by: Blade
5 Ways Americans Still Don't Give A Shit . . .
Posted by: MAD on Jul 24, 2007 12:50 PM   
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1. They're simply too busy getting their daily Lohan/Paris/[insert vacuous idiot here] fix to concern themselves with such things as *yawn* car bombings in that ME country they cannot locate on a map.

2. It's all good cuz cheap shit from China is still that: cheap shit.

3. Most of us have health insurance so why won't those 50 million lazy, degenerate bastards without just die already??!!

4. Beckham and Posh are living in the US? Now? Oh fuck yeah!! I've been waiting so long for this moment!! Just what we need - another pair of Hollywood socialite dimwits to grace us with the next mindless reality TV show.

5. "I'll be voting for Hillary or Obama or Edwards cuz they just look better than that Kucinich guy".

I love how Alternet periodically rolls out these long winded tirades on how the Bush administration has stripped us of our liberties. What exactly are they talking about? Our right to continue ignoring the kleptocratic dictatorship that's in bed with big biz and has been for the last 50 years? Our right to replace some tired, Republican thugs with those from the Democratic party? (God forbid Americans take a 3rd route!) Our right to sit idly by whilst our fearless leader wipes his ass with the Constitution?

In our defense, I have to admit that we have been availing ourselves of this wondrous Democratic system in several capacities: the right to ambivalence, complacency, irrationality, fear mongering, rampant consumerism, etc.

Hate to say it, but the show's over folks. Roll up the carpets and hit the lights on the way out. This country is fucked and no Hillary or Obama is going to fix it. If you believe that, then you're merely part of the problem.

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Slippery Slope
Posted by: Crazy H on Jul 24, 2007 12:58 PM   
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Of course, they told us is was about fighting terrorism, and we allowed them to take away some of our rights. That was the first step out on the slippery slope.

The slide started soon after - did you know that an animal-rights protest can be considered terrorism if it costs a company money? Even a peaceful protest, with no property damage - the defining element is money. So, now, anyone involved with PETA is automatically a 'terrorist' and can be shipped off to Gitmo at the whim of The Decider.

Not that I have any love for PETA, I wear leather and eat my steaks rare. But they are Americans and used to have the same rights as any of the rest of us.

How long will it be before you can be declared an 'enemy combatant' for paying off your credit card late? ...stealing a candy bar? ...voting for the wrong party?

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One Way That Made It Possible to Steal Your Liberties
Posted by: edgar_michel on Jul 24, 2007 1:27 PM   
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To quote Chalmers Johnson from his book "Nemesis":

"My book Blowback was not noticed in the United States until after 9/11, when my suggestion that our covert policies abroad might be coming back to haunt us gained new meaning. Many Americans began to ask--as President Bush did--"Why do they hate us?" The answer was not that some countries hate us because of our democracy, wealth, lifestyle, or values, but because of things our government did to various peoples around the world. The counterblows directed against Americans seem, of course, as out of the blue as those airlines on that September morning because most Americans have no framework that would link cause and effect. The terrorist attacks of September 11 are the clearest examples of blowback in modern international relations. In the initial book in this trilogy, I never foresaw the terrorist nature of the attacks, nor the incredibly inept reaction of our government..."

"...Because Americans generally failed to consider seriously why we had been attacked on 9/11, the Bush administration was able to respond in a way that made the situation far worse. I believed at the time and feel no differently five years later that we should have treated the attacks as crimes against the innocent, not as acts of war. We should have proceeded against al-Qaeda the same way we might have against organized crime. It would have been wise to call what we were doing an "emergency," as the British did in fighting the Malay guerrillas in the 1950s, not a "war." The day after 9/11, Simon Jenkins, the former editor of the Times of London, insightfully wrote: "The message of yesterdays incident is that, for all its horror, it does not and must not be allowed to matter, It is a human disaster, an outrage, an atrocity, an unleashing of the madness of which the world will never be rid. But it is not politically significant. It does not tilt the balance of world power one inch. It is not an act of war. America's leadership of the West is not diminished by it. The cause of democracy is not damaged, unless we choose to let it be damaged."
Had we followed Jenkin's advice we could have retained the cooperation and trust of our democratic allies, remained the aggrieved party of 9/11, built criminal cases that would have stood up in any court of law, and won the hearts and minds of populations al-Qaeda was trying to mobilize. We would have avoided entirely Contravening the Geneva Conventions covering the treatment of prisoners of war and never have headed down the path of torturing people we picked up almost at random in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. government would have had no need to lie to its own citizens and the rest of the world about the nonexistent nuclear threat posed by Iraq or carry out a phony preventive war against that country."

Chalmers Johnson presents a good case for the path not taken, which is the path of police action against the perpetrators of 9/11. But I contend that the reason that path was not taken is that a comprehensive forensics investigation would have ultimately led back to the Pentagon and the Whitehouse. They knew that blowback would be a plausible explanation for the attacks on 9/11. And they reasoned that if there was no investigation of 9/11 at all for a significant amount of time, then the assumption of blowback would become the settled perception of the cause of the attacks. It wasn't until the Family Steering Committee for the Investigation of the attacks on 9/11 forced the Whitehouse to investigate, that any serious facade of an effort to investigate actually commenced. But by then all the evidence had been carted out of the country and disposed of so that there really couldn't be a real investigation.

We need to impeach George W. Bush for obstruction of justice if nothing else, and the proceeding needs to begin now.

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. the new Property Confiscation Act (applying to war protestors?)
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 24, 2007 4:10 PM   
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No mention of the Executive Order signed on 20th July, allowing confiscation of property of anyone the admin decides A/ May commit whatever act in the future (regardless of what they have ever/ never done in the past), or
B/ Who they consider is undermining economic events etc in Iraq.. (war protestors?)

www.whitehouse.gov:80/news/
releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

Comments on this here:
www.opednews.com/articles/oped
ne_robert_s_070720_more_crimes_of_the_b.htm

www.opednews.com/articles/oped
ne_jan_cold_070720_executive_order_3a__si.htm

www.opednews.com/articles/oped
ne_alex_wal_070719_30_days_to_absolute_.htm

One line of response has been to effect that, "I wouldn't let them take .. "(home, car, bank acct, etc) "I'd fight them rather than let it go."

How do you defend your property if you've been arrested, - detained - possibly in a detention center? The way the law is written, it seems that if you end up in a detention center, your property will likely have been appropriated by the State - if you are released, there won't be much to return to.

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Corporate/Private Sector Much More Dangerous Than Government
Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 24, 2007 4:12 PM   
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Americans worry excessively about what could eventually come, perhaps some type of internment or something based on privacy disappearing and the like. But, the reality of what is MUCH MORE LIKELY in the shortrun, including what is happening now, is your opportunity for jobs, for business opportunities, and even for educational opportunities. Currently, companies scan on-line web sites such as "Myspace," and what for? To see if the person they might hire would perhaps somehow be "too wild," or unstable based on web postings. Other employers check your credit records and some law schools have also been rumored to check web postings. What does this mean? The end of privacy means your potential job and career opportunities are and will continue to be at stake. In the future, one can also imagaine it would be relatively easy for potential employers and schools to check one's "political leanings," based on scores assigned by companies who scour on-line postings and databases. And, by the way, all of this is legal now. In America, we always worry about the government, but the corporation and private sector is way ahead of them.

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The BUSH Presidential Legacy
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Jul 24, 2007 7:11 PM   
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This is going to be fun when the next President turns out to be a Democrat with all of Georgie's hard won powers. Watch the rich and powerful as their hard won tax cuts are wiped out by the new President's executive orders. I can't wait for the Corporations with offices in Bermuda PO Boxes see their international profits taxed as US income. The powers hard won by the Republican "Dark Side" Administration will be used by the forces of good. Just wait for the winds of change a coming! Georgie's legacy will be the total destruction of the Republican Party and all they stood for, like torture, domestic spying, and unrestrained greed.

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» RE: The BUSH Presidential Legacy Posted by: dangerouslysane
FREEDOM
Posted by: gellero on Jul 24, 2007 9:43 PM   
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Your rights and freedom were appropriated long before Pres. Bush. Read your history. Social Security cards used to say " not to be used for identification purposes "......loss of liberty has been creeping since Lincoln.

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Lincoln
Posted by: gellero on Jul 24, 2007 9:46 PM   
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Actually, Lincoln was the closest thing to a dictator this country has ever had. Suspension of Habeus Corpus, political prisoners ( not Confederates ) held without trial, confiscation of property, arrested state legislators ( in the NORTH ! ) etc.

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WILL NOT BE SILENCED
Posted by: SJ on Jul 25, 2007 1:04 AM   
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There lies and greedy war have not the smallest warm place in my heart for these people. They have alreay begun to high jack our republic, dare I assume it is even still a republic after the last 3 elections we have had. I will not stop at trying to bring an end to the one two party system that is nothing more than a merry go round of charade and bidders for the elite in this country. It is these people who Bush and the one two party system represent. It has reached the point as far as I am concerned that only the mobilization of the working people in this country can save it and the rest of the so called free world. There could never be any practicle sence to move to the right for me and I see the protections of diversity and minority and human rights to be more profusely regaurded in those philosophies to the left. I said philosophies. Not these hipocrits. It is the left they fear the most because in history it has been they who never stop questioning that have dared to brave forward ,(many times into even more corrupt hands), never the less, in an ever changing complex over a populated world it seems to me that democracy on a social bases can be the only best solution. WE do not have to go far back in history to see where corrupt capitalism(fascism),corrupt social capitalism (nazism), and corrupt socialism or communism goes. Coincidental to those periods were economic divisions not unlike that which has been spreading through our free world countries (Big 8) today, rich only getting richer, billions of taxpayers money lost unaccounted for . So as I continue to post in honor of our own constitution while we still have it. When elections do not work, and military threats and control continue. It tells us what we as a free people under this republic must do. As they continue on their genocide for oil war, with the people of this contry on a basis of lies and deciet. Political parties who continue to enable one another, rather than do the right thing that only requires a small majority small (impeachment), can at best try to show disengenous grand stands of suggesting censorship as a way to appease the public. We must turn to our constitution that is explicit in such engrossed goverment betrayal of the people, not my words. from the Declaration of Independence:
“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these [the rights of the population], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness... [W]hen a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” (IT IS OUR DUTY)
THIS IS THE BOYSCOUTS OF AMERICAS SELF HELP 101 WHEN LOST IN THE FOREST SOLUTIONS TO GUIDE ONE TO SAFTEY. Standing armies is what our for fathers warned against and cut the apron strings from King George over. WE MAY HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE IN MANY RESPECTS. We are the only ones who can stop the abuse. As with the battered wife or spouse, otherwise the behavior escaltes to very unhealthy outcomes for the enslaved partner. Constant label changing and repetitve lies til people think of them as truth and dehumanized ethnic groups for the pupose to rape and pillage their lands under the guise of democracy, to only create and foster more terroism and elections are refered to as mere poles, rather than the voice of the american people. Were the last two presidential elections just public poles, LOL, not for them then. Silence and complacency will mean death for many and death for the people. Support a 3rd party now while your dollar is still worth the .03 cents it is valued at.

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Under the covers
Posted by: talkville on Jul 25, 2007 1:26 AM   
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Liberty is usually abstracted and isolated, treated as though it was some Thing. Physics can show each and every one of us as organisms unique as to space and time. One property living organisms have is volition. If volition is replaced by the word Liberty, it cannot be destroyed or taken (other than by destruction of the organism itself). It can only be checked, stopped, blocked, corralled, caged, and channeled. The real question is: to who's benefit and to who's interests? The totalitarian sectors behind the Bush Regime have gathered constitutional and non-constitutional means together to block and corral the volition of every-one to serve their interests and their interests alone. Liberties cannot be taken away; only stopped and checked by interested parties. The assault began with Reagan and Thatcher; unless we awaken and stop adapting to this trend, we will soon be living with ankle bracelets guiding anything we do or think. Bush II is the tip of a very dangerous ice-berg. Authority (and "experts") need to be questioned strongly. Democratic living is nearly gone. Giving up decision making, even to "representatives", has become a dangerous enterprise. Let's hold them to account.

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From movie Freedom Writters 08 IS TOLATE DON'T TAKE THE BAIT
Posted by: SJ on Jul 25, 2007 1:46 AM   
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Icannot say it any better. as to what on anothEr scale they have and will probably try to pull off. As these threats continue. Read what the man LaMagna says to do on writting to these congress and senate people. They arrested Cindy Sheean yesterday at the blow hard Conyors office, He called for impeachment til Pelosi announced it was off the table, then sheepishly fell back in line. Misnamed No Child Left Behind Act in favor of an egalitarian view of education, bringing to mind an outlook championed American educator Horace Mann (1796-1859), who wrote in 1848:

"Now, surely, nothing but Universal Education can counter-work this tendency to the domination of capital and the servility of labor. If one class possesses all the wealth and the education, while the residue of society is poor and ignorant, it matters not by what name the relation between them may be called; the latter, in fact and in truth, will be the servile dependents and subjects of the former.... Education, then, beyond all other devices of human origin, is the great equalizer of the conditions of men-the balance-wheel of the social machinery."


Diary 85 quotes from a pastor in Nazi Germany who famously "summarized the outcome of what happens when no one takes a stand. 'They came for the trade unions, but I was not a trade unionist, so I didn't respond. Then they came for the Socialists, but I was not a Socialist, so I didn't respond. Then they came for the Jews and since I was not a Jew, I didn't respond. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.' Next to this quote was a picture of the concentration camp. I looked at that picture for a while repeating the words in my head. The more I thought about it, the more I cried."
Contrarily, they are winning at this war, as they remove the resistant Iraqi populace. The democrates provide dubious meaning less motions to try and appease the voters only to quickly approve the funding, after the veto on a worthless set of markers for withdrawal which only mean redeployment , keeping a massive presance in the area. Same as the retoric bring the troops home , really means only to the home base in Iraq off the Bagdad battle field. Silence will not be an option for those who care. Do what you can NOW, 08 IS TO LATE, DON'T TAKE THEIR BAIT. rEID SAYS THEYHAVE IMPORTANT WORKTO DO. LIKE PASS WAR FUNDING AND OTHER BILLS FOR THE KING TO VETO, AND MORE TAX BREAKS TO THE WEALTHY. MOST IMPORTANT A ANTI WARMOVEMENT TO DIVERT AND DISPELL.

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Write republicans insist impeach, come down hard and plan to hand write another
Posted by: SJ on Jul 25, 2007 3:37 AM   
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Cindy Sheehan and a group were arrested for demanding impeachment to Conyers, they were immediately arrested. So the dessent begins. Endless letters on republicans, it takes a simple majority. PRESSURE -COME DOWN HARD ON THEM. I HAVE TWO LOYALTISTS. I will probably get halled off. Already sent a nasty note. Some how they need to know many of us mean to hold them accountable. SO LET IT BEGIN WITH ME!!! Emails only counted but letters are opened and read.

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Discontinuing Democracy
Posted by: stfrequency on Jul 25, 2007 4:21 AM   
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Rothschild's analysis is spot-on and very timely. The most recent presidential directives (HSPD-51 and the "blocking property" executive order) are clearly designed to subvert the aims of democracy by quelling dissent and instituting an authoritarian regime. What's most important for us to note, in my opinion, is the curious context of these latest directives: a national emergency.

In a recent essay, I examine the history of U.S. executive privilege, from the framing of the Constitution to these latest power grabs. No, this is nothing new -- however, these loopholes have been enlarged so dramatically in the past five years as to constitute a threat to liberty greater than any yet attempted in this country. And the most drastic moves can be made under the declaration of a national emergency. This is where we see the newest directives pointing, and with the very recent intimations from Chertoff and others about a "spectacular" terror attack in the near future, we must speculate about the scenario being prepared for us.

Please find my essay at RealitySandwich.com for the full analysis.

-ST

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Silky Sullivan , All American
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 25, 2007 5:39 AM   
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Silky Sullivan (February 28, 1955 – November 18, 1977) was an American thoroughbred race horse, considered by many to be the come-from-behind runner of come-from-behind runners, the closer of closers.

Out of all the legendary closers—Whirlaway, Stymie, and Needles before him, his contemporary Gallant Man, and Forego and John Henry after him—none could hang so far back, let the field get so far ahead, and then decide to overtake the rest of the runners like a bullet shot from a gun. Called the "California Comet" and ridden often in his career by the great Hall of Fame jockey, Willie Shoemaker, Silky once galloped along in a race until the field was 41 lengths in front of him—and still won by three lengths. To accomplish such heart-stopping feats, he had to clock the last quarter in 22 seconds flat. On one occasion, it was a hair over 20 seconds flat. His trainer, the West Coast veteran Reggie Cornell, said, "I've never seen a horse in my life, or heard of one either, go faster."

The Shoe[1] once said of Silky, "You can't do a thing with him, you just have to allow him to run his own race, at his own speed, in his own style in the first quarter or maybe the first three eighths. And you just sit there and wait, hoping you won't have to wait too long, because when he really gets going you have to be alert or he might just leave you behind—and then you hold on for dear life."

Silky could also leave the starting gate like any other racehorse, run a few yards, and then virtually slow to a mosey for a while, never doing more than loping along, despite the best efforts of his jockey, finally coming in a very distant last. Whether it was due to an arthritic condition (one theory) or whether it was because he was a born showman (another, very popular, theory—which holds up rather well since Silky always did his stuff in front of the grandstand), or whether it was because he caught a cold as a two-year-old and forever after could not breathe properly until well into a race, or whether he was a natural born sprinter entered into long races he had to learn to win by saving his incredible power for the last minute (a very credible theory), with Silky, nothing was ever predictable.

And yet out of his 27 career starts, he was in the money 18 times with 12 Wins, 1 Place, and 5 Shows. His career earnings were $157,700. Purses were much smaller when Silky raced, but it wasn't the money or the wins that made Silky "Silky." It was the style.

Silky's running in the $130,500 Santa Anita Derby was Silky Sullivan to a T. In the first five furlongs, he fell 28 lengths off the pace. But when Bill Shoemaker rattled his bit and gave him a little chirrup, asking him to please speed it up (no hitting Silky with a whip, he might just stop), he took off, flying past horse after horse with his incredible distance-consuming stride. But instead of looping the field, Silky cut to the inside, then zigzagged through the pack like a halfback until he was three and one half lengths in front at the finish[2] line—and going away. Towards the end, he was easing himself up, apparently satisfied with his effort.

Shoemaker once said Silky got so far behind that he couldn't see another horse...not because of dirt in his face but because the whole field was so far ahead. Silky won.

It was his intelligence that made Silky Silky. Willie Shoemaker swore, "He knows when to move inside and then out. He knows when to make his winning move."

*On a note of optimism just remember: Silky Sullivan was an American, and so are you.
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Number six
Posted by: mudcat on Jul 25, 2007 9:53 AM   
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Woops, lost another right while you were writing this article. They now want to take away property to anyone who stands in the way of their war with the Iraqi's.
Here's a news clip on the subject: http://goleft.tv/view.asp?v=303

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. Loose Change Producer // Iraq, Afghan WAR VET ARRESTED, Handed to Military
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 25, 2007 10:49 AM   
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Loose Change producer and Iraq and Afghanistan veteran Korey Rowe has been arrested and handed over to military officials without bail for allegedly "deserting the Army".

NY Daily Star
www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2007/
07/25/jprowearrest0722.html
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Gatekeeper Rothschild
Posted by: johndoraemi on Jul 25, 2007 2:25 PM   
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Most of this article is true enough, though not unknown. These subjects have been written about extensively.

The main problem with Rothschild is that he has no concept of September 11th 2001, his watershed event which he uses as a starting point for modern history.

Further, by ignoring similar rollbacks on civil liberties under Clinton, and before, he presents a partisan view of the modern fascist empire in Washington DC, rather than an honest unvarnished investigation (where Democrats collaborate with Republicans to destroy your inalienable, consitutionally protected rights).

The Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act under Clinton included many of these unconstitutional abuses, and was in response to another false flag state sponsored attack: the Oklahoma City bombing.

But, in Alternet world, and Rothschild universe, there ARE no US state sponsored false flag attacks. Ignore a Brigadier General who personally investigated the crime, and came to the conclusion (given to 535 members of congress and all major US media) that the truck bomb did not solely cause the damage, and that demolition charges were placed inside the Murrah building at strategic points on the supporting columns. History is erased. The government is exonerated of high treason. Everyone who disagrees must be mad, and 9/11 follows in similar circumstances.

They like to call this the "conspiratorial view" of history, which of course can't happen ... because ... because they say so. As Gore Vidal put it, "we take it on faith that there are no conspiracies in America."

When Rothschild delves into the roundups of suspects in the wake of 9/11, he doesn't want to go into a particular group rounded up: Israeli Mossad agents, numbering near 200. These include the ones celebrating so vehemently the damage at the WTC that the police were called. The ones holding up a cigarette lighter with the burning World Trade Center in the background, captured on their own camera.

I must be mad, thinking I read about that in real newspapers like the Totonto Star.

And what ever happened to those arrested on the George Washington Bridge on 9/11 in a van full of explosives?

Anyway, the point is that gatekeepers do not tell the whole truth. They tell partial truths. They get away with it because the latte liberal mocha morons willingly swallow the "alternative" propaganda, with no compulsion to investigate further.

And I'm quite sick of it. There is no excuse for such persistent ignorance in this age of near limitless access to information.

Crimes of the State Blog

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SUPPORT RON PAUL AND THERE IS A 100% GUARANTEE THAT...
Posted by: poppop_schell on Jul 25, 2007 3:10 PM   
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this won't happen in the future. Ron Paul is the most principled Constitutionlist in Congress. His voting record reflects his committment to the Bill of Rights.

ronpaul2008.com

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Clinton I = Bush II = Clinton II
Posted by: m_mooss on Jul 25, 2007 5:15 PM   
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I agree that Bush and Cheney are criminals, and should be impeached and convicted, and then prosecuted for their crimes.

But this rot began under Clinton. The abuse and prosecution of protesters and demonstrators by the Secret Service The unconstitutional requirement for I.D. for citizens traveling on common carriers. The list can go on -- but what's the point?

Do you REALLY believe that things would REALLY be different if Gore been inaugurated (and not just elected!!) President? And do you believe President H. R. Clinton will be any less repressive than presidents W.J. Clinton and G.W. Bush?

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If (when) we're attacked again, things are in place for a genuine police state
Posted by: fanny666 on Jul 26, 2007 8:29 AM   
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mavericklady
Posted by: MaverickBoy on Jul 29, 2007 4:46 AM   
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Well boy and girls - let's start at the top

1) are you registered to vote?

2) if you aren't - then GET registered

3) IF you REALLY want your freedom back - vote for Ron Paul or Tom Tancredo

4) If you don't do the above - then SHUT THE HE _ _ UP and Suffer with what you have done to this country by NOT speaking up where it really counts.

5) Your vote means nothing? Maybe you should remember the election of 2000 - EVERY VOTE MEANS SOMETHING. Get Registered - Get voting - after 2008 I HIGHLY recommend you SHEEP start looking at 3rd parties - WE DO HAVE THEM YOU KNOW. Paul and Tancredo are running as republicans because they are FORCED to NOT because they WANT to.

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