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Lou Dobbs Persists in Promoting Lies about Immigrant Leprosy Cases
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Secret Mexican conspiracies to take over the American Southwest or merge with Canada and the United States. Murders and drunken-driving deaths caused by "illegal aliens" reaching astounding levels. Emergency rooms in California, overwhelmed by the migrants, going out of business. Jobs stolen and wages lost to the tune of billions. Epidemics of frightening diseases like leprosy.
Where do these ideas come from?
In a surprising number of cases, they are propounded on mainstream cable television and radio shows and are even voiced by national politicians. And these tales are dangerous. When millions of Americans are told by people they trust that immigration from the south is destroying their country, many of them take that as fact. It's no surprise that some even respond with criminal violence.
That's why a debate this spring between the Southern Poverty Law Center and CNN host Lou Dobbs was important. For more than four years now, Dobbs has been delivering almost nightly reports emphasizing that undocumented immigration is harming this country in innumerable ways. On the way, he's managed to spread ideas that are not only one-sided, but in some cases entirely false.
Take leprosy.
On May 6, CBS' 60 Minutes ran a profile of Dobbs in which correspondent Lesley Stahl reported that in 2005, CNN reporter Christine Romans "told Dobbs that there have been 7,000 cases of leprosy in the U.S. in the past three years." Stahl pointed out that the government had actually reported that that was the number of cases in America over 30 years, not three. In the three years referenced by Romans, in fact, the government registered just 398 new cases. "If we reported it, it's a fact," Dobbs responded defiantly. He was asked how he could guarantee that. "Because I'm the managing editor, and that's the way we do business. We don't make up numbers, Lesley. Do we?"
The next night, on his own show, Dobbs, after lambasting me for comments I'd made in Stahl's story, repeated that he stood "100%" behind Romans' report. And he brought back Romans, who said: "I was quoting from Dr. Madeleine Cosman, a respected medical lawyer and medical historian ... : 'Suddenly, in the past three years, America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy.'"
On May 15, SPLC ran ads in The New York Times and USA Today asking that CNN retract Dobbs' false leprosy claim, as Dobbs himself refused to. The following day, SPLC President Richard Cohen and I were invited on Dobbs' show, presumably to argue out the veracity of Romans' claim.
What we were met with was a classic bait and switch.
Just before the debate, Dobbs ran a taped piece that made an entirely new set of claims. Now Dobbs said that new cases had "risen" to 166 in 2005. He insisted that "we did not say there were [7,000] new cases at any time." And then, bizarrely, he reran the clip of Romans saying, on May 7, that "there were about 900 cases of leprosy for 40 years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years."
Dobbs also now claimed that Romans' reporting had always been based on statistics from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. But that was simply false. As Romans had made crystal clear in her own comments, the report was based entirely on Cosman, the "respected" lawyer and historian. Cosman, who died last year, was no "doctor" -- she had a Ph.D. in literature. And she was hardly a "respected" authority on disease and immigrants. In fact, she was a wild-eyed propagandist who has made a series of charges about Latino men heading north, including this one from 2005: "Most of these bastards molest girls under 12, although some specialize in boys, and some in nuns." Cosman also lied about a 1976 book she wrote being nominated for the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award.
The importance of this debate went far beyond Dobbs' refusal to accept responsibility for a clear and egregious error. As Cohen wrote to CNN President Jonathan Klein: "This is hardly the first time that Mr. Dobbs has chosen to rely on dubious sources with a virulent anti-immigrant agenda."
If Americans are to sort out the mess that immigration policy has become, they need to know the facts of the situation. Misleading and false propaganda from the likes of Lou Dobbs, who works for a respected news operation, can only poison the debate and demonize a huge number of people in the process.
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Posted by: dlf on Jun 15, 2007 8:24 AM
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Reasons For The Increase From the Mayo Clinic:
Increased numbers of foreign-born nationals. Although TB rates for people born in the United States are declining, the incidence among people from other parts of the world, especially Africa, Asia and Latin America, is increasing. More than half of the reported TB cases in the United States are in people born outside the country.
Increased poverty and lack of access to medical care. The world's poor, in America and in other countries, are more likely to have TB but the least likely to receive medical care. The problem is compounded because people living in poverty and in unstable political situations often move or migrate and therefore may not complete their treatment, leading to drug-resistant forms of the disease.
TB is also now the leading cause of death among those with HIV/AIDS. It is the one disease man can spread to animals. And it is most virulent when people live in crowded spaces have it.
These are all good reasons to have an immigration policy that is tyed to health issues. I recall when it was widely reported that Haitians carried the AIDS virus, a majority of Americans were in favor of our stop them in the ocean policy. And as far as I can tell many still are. I imagine many presuppose Haitians and Africans are AIDS carriers and are perfectly happy to keep them out. Whatever the reason it certainly isn't part of the "comprehensive" immigration debate.
I would expect this site to zero in on Lou Dobbs, I expect he will be called all the usual names, and I expect that the wider issues will continue to be muted by those doing all the name-calling.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Jun 15, 2007 9:16 AM
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I guess not. I guess they simply watched too much Lou Dobbs!
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» YOGIBEAR: DOBBS IS CERTAINLY A MASOCHIST, RACIST. AFTER ALL HE MARRIED A HISPANIC. N/M
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» Hahaha, oh, yes, a sure sign of racism.... no doubt about it... LOL
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Jun 15, 2007 10:01 AM
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Tuberculosis, however...
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» RE: Hanson's Disease (leprosy) is easily treatable now..sickofsleaze
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» KARMA: I AGREE THAT LOU IS HURTING HIS OWN CAUSE. BUT TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION
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Posted by: 15delta on Jun 15, 2007 10:22 AM
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Never once has he answered my question about all the illegal in Iraq and Vietnam fighting for this country?
I was in Vietnam I know they have served. In fact I had a crewmember as a linguist on our flight crew, which is as important a job as a pilot hitting his target.
Of course the reward would be first in line for papers when they returned, if they in fact make it.
Lou has declined to answer my questions and many more.
He has falsely said too many things that he cannot back up as far as immigrants working here. And I can prove he is lying on so many immigration subjects.
Of course he has the mike and powerful station to spread all his lies. CNN should make him back up his claims, besides using his pals, and cutting all off that disagree with him.
Kind of like "The Mouth" “O'Reilly”.
And his little smirk on his face says it all, or as Jeraldo said: Lou is at the bottom of the barrel or work list and ready to be expired from CNN, so this is his last chance to make a name for himself
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» GREAT. THE ARMY IS AGREEJNG NOW WITH CORPORATIONS WHO EXPLOIT WORKERS. WHAT NEXT? N/M
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» delta15: I HAVE HEARD LOU DOBBS SAY ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION THAT ANY ILLEGAL
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Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Jun 15, 2007 10:57 AM
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ps: don't forget the serial killer Angel Maturino Reséndiz, aka "Railroad Killer" was an illegal alien. How many deaths are 'acceptable' so that the rich get their tables bussed, their nannys, their lawns mowed, and their mansions cleaned cheaply (not to mention the cheap labour for corporate agriculture?
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Posted by: Doubtom on Jun 15, 2007 12:55 PM
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Would that idiotBush were guilty of only one lie!!!
I noticed that you didn't take issue with any of his other points on overcrowded schools, hospitals, gangs, graffitti etc..
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Posted by: TheCount on Jun 15, 2007 1:25 PM
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Posted by: Doubtom on Jun 15, 2007 2:21 PM
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Despite the best efforts of the ACLU and La Raza, these illegal immigrants do not have the right, either to demonstrate or demand anything of the host nation they have invaded. Whatever rights we enjoy, do not extend beyond our borders and they certainly are not conferred automatically on law-breakers of alien origin.
A few people crossing the border illegally may be a problem for the Border Patrol but when they cross in the millions that is an invasion pure and simple! And invasion is an act of war!
Whatever demonstration these illegal immigrants feel entitled to, have to be directed to the government of Mexico. They are not the responsibility of the American taxpayer!
And this is not even treating the issue of assimilation, overcrowding of hospitals and schools, the requirement of dual language and the printing of ballots in Spanish etc. etc.
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» DOUBTOM: BORROM LINE. WE BELIEV IN THE RULE OF LAW. MANY BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF EMOTION. N/M
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» not legal or illeagal, it applies to anyone that IS a citizen,
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» lessbread: LAW APPLIES TO CITIZENS IN TERMS OF EQUALITY. THAT'S A SIMPLE AND
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» DOUBTOM: BOTTOM LINE. WE BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF LAW. RO-ILLGAL BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF EMOTION. N/M
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» The people, as in "We the people"
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Posted by: DinTN on Jun 15, 2007 2:59 PM
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Lou Dobbs has always proven claims against him with actual FACT that he backs up!
What's AlterNet so afraid of? The truth?
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Posted by: pass the ammo on Jun 15, 2007 3:55 PM
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Posted by: Cruella on Jun 15, 2007 5:46 PM
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Sadly my country is as over-run with phoney migrant-paranoia as yours. We are even refusing to let a legal immigrant back in the country at the moment because his visa ran out while he was illegally detained and probably tortured in Guantanamo Bay.
People are in such a hurry to look for differences. We're all human and we all live on the same planet - some people seem to have forgotten this.
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» Cruella: SAYS WE ANTI-ILLEGALS ARE CRUEL AND HEARTLESS UNLIKE HER. HOW MUCH HAVE YOU GIVEN
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Posted by: karensickler51 on Jun 15, 2007 5:46 PM
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At least he asks questions that no one else seems to be asking...
Immigration reform is complex and the current set of rules that are under consideration will not help. We either need to address the border security issues, or admit that the borders are needless and open things up completely.
Right now the U.S. is trying to have it both ways and it IS hurting many people. Wages in the construction industry have been lowered considerably in the last ten years. I know this personally. In addition, businesses hire people who are here illegally in order to exploit them and pay much lower wages. It is the employers of these folks who should be prosecuted and fined, not the people so desperate for work that they leave their families hundreds of miles away.
Fretting about Dobbs will not help the situation. Pushing for this bill will not help either. Get off your duff and think of something original that will serve the greater good for a change. Anyone can complain!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: Jimzsites on Jun 15, 2007 9:46 PM
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I am referring to the fact that "undocumented immigrants" is nothing more than the author's smoothing over the FACT that these people ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Such semantic trickery has only one purpose...to "sugar coat" this very real problem in order to promote the writer's particular prejudices and biases.
At least Lou Dobbs' prejudices and biases are FOR America and its Laws, not the CRIMINAL HOARD that constantly invades and is destroying our country.
This invasion is simply economic terrorism that is condoned and promoted by Corporate interests whose only concern is their bottom line.
"America Be Damned" should be emblazoned on all their buildings...for it is their true motto, nay their real self-serving mantra.
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Posted by: illit on Jun 16, 2007 10:23 AM
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Has anyone in MSM ever addressed the true cost of this? Will Bush finally accomplish the complete destruction of Social Security?
And other than 'leprosy' , what is said about:
"Lou's Top 5 List
Top 5 Dumbest Things in the Immigration Bill
5) Taxpayers will pay for the immigration lawyers for illegal aliens if working in agriculture.
4) Illegal aliens would be given legal status just one day after their application is filed even if a background check is not completed.
3) Gang members are eligible for amnesty if they renounce their gang status.
2) Borders do not have to be secure before the amnesty program begins.
1) $2,600,000,000,000 -- That is the cost the Heritage Foundation estimates to cover the retirement benefits of 12,000,000 illegal aliens if this amnesty bill becomes law."
This government cannot process a request for a US passport in less than 2 months, how will it ever back-ground check millions??
ENOUGH - simply enforce current law.
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Posted by: poppop_schell on Jun 16, 2007 10:36 AM
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» RE: FOLKS LOOK AT THE SOURCE OF THE ATTACK ON DOBBS.
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Posted by: dlf on Jun 17, 2007 8:22 AM
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The same stories are being told by people in more industries this time around, and the same baseless arguments are being used to refute personal anecdotes. I am reminded of the many people who refute the systemic presence of racism in this country, because they aren't victims of it. That is just outrageous. How is the virtual blackout of American stories on this issue any different from any other example of propaganda throughout history?
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» that is a blatant lie...... Mexico's sovereignty is NOT threatened the same as ours......
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Posted by: Spock on Jun 17, 2007 9:15 AM
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Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jun 17, 2007 2:33 PM
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I've pointed out repeatedly that BILLIONS of people would like to move here. How would the AlterNet open-borders devotees respond to that?
By ignoring it altogether, and foisting more neocon nonsense on us.
Utterly shameless!
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Posted by: Bozly on Jun 20, 2007 12:59 PM
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Posted by: Gramma Diana on Jun 20, 2007 1:38 PM
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Northwestern University has been formally affiliated with Universidad Panamericana (Mexico City) (UP) since 2000. We have hosted 4-6 UP students in our clinical electives each year, and 4-6 first and fourth year Northwestern medical students have participated in clinical rotations at UP each year.. UP is affiliated with a number of the major hospitals in Mexico City, including the “national” hospitals (the equivalent of the NIH clinical centers in Bethesda). There are also two new rural clinics in indigenous areas of Central Mexico, where UP students spend their sixth, service-oriented year of medical school. Most of the opportunities available to FSM students would incorporate portions of the UP third and fourth year curriculum, with didactic sessions in a specialty area coupled with afternoon clinical experiences. The curriculum is conducted in Spanish. Public Health research is also available to MPH students. Among the notable aspects of the specialty experiences, there is a dermatology hospital where leprosy and other conditions uncommon in this country are seen on a routine basis.
Here in Arizona we have a problem with illegals driving without a license and without insurance, high rate of hit and run accidents, so just being an illegal is not the only law that they feel they can skip. Some are starting fires at the border to distract the Border Guards; fires at a time that fires can get out of control. So don't tell us that they are all law abiding.
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Posted by: marew on Jun 20, 2007 2:23 PM
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Posted by: DinTN on Jun 20, 2007 2:58 PM
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Yea, that matches the story a little better.
By Mark Potok, "Intelligence" Report....?
Intelligence? Hardly. There's NO SUCH thing as an "undocumented migrant"! Migrants are LEGAL you half-whit.
They're not migrants, they're ILLEGAL ALIENS.
If AlterNet insists on publishing such stupidity written by half-whitted-open-borders-pro-illegal aliens, well I guess I'l just stop reading and subscribing to such nonscence.
Sensible, informed readers clearly see your agenda.
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Posted by: Prophit on Jun 20, 2007 4:17 PM
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"Are the 20 million illegals, that are the subject of the new law, here legally or illegally???"
THAT IS THE FRIGGEN QUESTION!!!! I don't care which disease they bring with them, if they come illegally, they are not medically checked out prior to entry, so it doesn't matter, what matters is DID THEY GET HERE BY BREAKING OUR LAWS OR NOT!!!????? ANSWER THAT ONE AND ALL THIS BREW HAHA ABOUT DOBBS IS JUST A DEFLECTION AND DISTRACTION.... THE ISSUES REMAIN... LEGAL VS ILLEGAL....
GOT IT???
There is an old saying "fool me once (1980's under first bush) shame on you, fool me twice SHAME ON ME"!!! You will NEVER FOOL ME AGAIN. NO MORE AMNESTY.... COME THE SAME WAY OUR FOREFATHERS CAME...... LEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: terminus on Jun 21, 2007 12:13 AM
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Posted by: karensickler51 on Jun 21, 2007 10:24 AM
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I find that the necessity to maintain the "homeland", in the manner in which it has "become accustomed", disturbing. Our standard of living has been given to us on the backs of millions of exploited working men and women who have been used to earn the rich unequaled luxury and the poor an unequaled poverty.
The elites have systematically given the working people just enough wealth to keep them wage slaves with no energy or education to do anything else. In addition we, as consumers, have been taught that we must have the best, brightest toys, the latest fashions, and always watch (Survivor or American Idol) our T.V. The public, as a whole, is unthinking and unaware; a giant behemoth lumbering towards the edge of the precipice. We have been bought and sold to the highest bidder, international corporate entities.
The elimination of the middle class (Which, by the way, was invented to protect the rich from the poor in the early eighteen hundreds.)via hiring illegals, increasing HB1 Visas, outsourcing jobs, etc., will eventually bite the elites that are promoting this social experiment. Illegal immigration is a distraction, as is most of what we get that is called information. It is time for a new chapter in American history.
I am quickly reaching the opinion that we should all just let it happen. Let the elites go where their corporate masters lead. In the end, the people will have had enough and chaos and anarchy will end up the rule.
While this will be extremely destructive for many innocent people, eventually we may end up with a real democracy. We surely do not have one now, and have not had one for many years.
VIVA la Revolucion!???
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Posted by: dlf on Jun 15, 2007 8:24 AM
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Reasons For The Increase From the Mayo Clinic:
Increased numbers of foreign-born nationals. Although TB rates for people born in the United States are declining, the incidence among people from other parts of the world, especially Africa, Asia and Latin America, is increasing. More than half of the reported TB cases in the United States are in people born outside the country.
Increased poverty and lack of access to medical care. The world's poor, in America and in other countries, are more likely to have TB but the least likely to receive medical care. The problem is compounded because people living in poverty and in unstable political situations often move or migrate and therefore may not complete their treatment, leading to drug-resistant forms of the disease.
TB is also now the leading cause of death among those with HIV/AIDS. It is the one disease man can spread to animals. And it is most virulent when people live in crowded spaces have it.
These are all good reasons to have an immigration policy that is tyed to health issues. I recall when it was widely reported that Haitians carried the AIDS virus, a majority of Americans were in favor of our stop them in the ocean policy. And as far as I can tell many still are. I imagine many presuppose Haitians and Africans are AIDS carriers and are perfectly happy to keep them out. Whatever the reason it certainly isn't part of the "comprehensive" immigration debate.
I would expect this site to zero in on Lou Dobbs, I expect he will be called all the usual names, and I expect that the wider issues will continue to be muted by those doing all the name-calling.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Jun 15, 2007 9:16 AM
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I guess not. I guess they simply watched too much Lou Dobbs!
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Jun 15, 2007 10:01 AM
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Tuberculosis, however...
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» KARMA: I AGREE THAT LOU IS HURTING HIS OWN CAUSE. BUT TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION
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Posted by: 15delta on Jun 15, 2007 10:22 AM
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Never once has he answered my question about all the illegal in Iraq and Vietnam fighting for this country?
I was in Vietnam I know they have served. In fact I had a crewmember as a linguist on our flight crew, which is as important a job as a pilot hitting his target.
Of course the reward would be first in line for papers when they returned, if they in fact make it.
Lou has declined to answer my questions and many more.
He has falsely said too many things that he cannot back up as far as immigrants working here. And I can prove he is lying on so many immigration subjects.
Of course he has the mike and powerful station to spread all his lies. CNN should make him back up his claims, besides using his pals, and cutting all off that disagree with him.
Kind of like "The Mouth" “O'Reilly”.
And his little smirk on his face says it all, or as Jeraldo said: Lou is at the bottom of the barrel or work list and ready to be expired from CNN, so this is his last chance to make a name for himself
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» GREAT. THE ARMY IS AGREEJNG NOW WITH CORPORATIONS WHO EXPLOIT WORKERS. WHAT NEXT? N/M
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» delta15: I HAVE HEARD LOU DOBBS SAY ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION THAT ANY ILLEGAL
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ps: don't forget the serial killer Angel Maturino Reséndiz, aka "Railroad Killer" was an illegal alien. How many deaths are 'acceptable' so that the rich get their tables bussed, their nannys, their lawns mowed, and their mansions cleaned cheaply (not to mention the cheap labour for corporate agriculture?
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Posted by: Doubtom on Jun 15, 2007 12:55 PM
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Would that idiotBush were guilty of only one lie!!!
I noticed that you didn't take issue with any of his other points on overcrowded schools, hospitals, gangs, graffitti etc..
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Posted by: TheCount on Jun 15, 2007 1:25 PM
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Posted by: Doubtom on Jun 15, 2007 2:21 PM
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Despite the best efforts of the ACLU and La Raza, these illegal immigrants do not have the right, either to demonstrate or demand anything of the host nation they have invaded. Whatever rights we enjoy, do not extend beyond our borders and they certainly are not conferred automatically on law-breakers of alien origin.
A few people crossing the border illegally may be a problem for the Border Patrol but when they cross in the millions that is an invasion pure and simple! And invasion is an act of war!
Whatever demonstration these illegal immigrants feel entitled to, have to be directed to the government of Mexico. They are not the responsibility of the American taxpayer!
And this is not even treating the issue of assimilation, overcrowding of hospitals and schools, the requirement of dual language and the printing of ballots in Spanish etc. etc.
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» DOUBTOM: BORROM LINE. WE BELIEV IN THE RULE OF LAW. MANY BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF EMOTION. N/M
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» RE: DOUBTOM: BORROM LINE. WE BELIEV IN THE RULE OF LAW. MANY BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF EMOTION. N/M
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» RE: DOUBTOM: BORROM LINE. WE BELIEV IN THE RULE OF LAW. MANY BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF EMOTION. N/M
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» RE: DOUBTOM: BORROM LINE. WE BELIEV IN THE RULE OF LAW. MANY BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF EMOTION. N/M
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» RE: DOUBTOM: BORROM LINE. WE BELIEV IN THE RULE OF LAW. MANY BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF EMOTION. N/M
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» RE: DOUBTOM: BORROM LINE. WE BELIEV IN THE RULE OF LAW. MANY BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF EMOTION. N/M
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» not legal or illeagal, it applies to anyone that IS a citizen,
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» lessbread: LAW APPLIES TO CITIZENS IN TERMS OF EQUALITY. THAT'S A SIMPLE AND
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» DOUBTOM: BOTTOM LINE. WE BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF LAW. RO-ILLGAL BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF EMOTION. N/M
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» The people, as in "We the people"
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Posted by: DinTN on Jun 15, 2007 2:59 PM
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Lou Dobbs has always proven claims against him with actual FACT that he backs up!
What's AlterNet so afraid of? The truth?
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» pASS: simple: HE PROVIDES THE SOURCES SO YOU CAN CHECK YOURSELF. N/M
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Posted by: pass the ammo on Jun 15, 2007 3:55 PM
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Posted by: Cruella on Jun 15, 2007 5:46 PM
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Sadly my country is as over-run with phoney migrant-paranoia as yours. We are even refusing to let a legal immigrant back in the country at the moment because his visa ran out while he was illegally detained and probably tortured in Guantanamo Bay.
People are in such a hurry to look for differences. We're all human and we all live on the same planet - some people seem to have forgotten this.
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» Cruella: SAYS WE ANTI-ILLEGALS ARE CRUEL AND HEARTLESS UNLIKE HER. HOW MUCH HAVE YOU GIVEN
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Posted by: karensickler51 on Jun 15, 2007 5:46 PM
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At least he asks questions that no one else seems to be asking...
Immigration reform is complex and the current set of rules that are under consideration will not help. We either need to address the border security issues, or admit that the borders are needless and open things up completely.
Right now the U.S. is trying to have it both ways and it IS hurting many people. Wages in the construction industry have been lowered considerably in the last ten years. I know this personally. In addition, businesses hire people who are here illegally in order to exploit them and pay much lower wages. It is the employers of these folks who should be prosecuted and fined, not the people so desperate for work that they leave their families hundreds of miles away.
Fretting about Dobbs will not help the situation. Pushing for this bill will not help either. Get off your duff and think of something original that will serve the greater good for a change. Anyone can complain!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: Jimzsites on Jun 15, 2007 9:46 PM
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I am referring to the fact that "undocumented immigrants" is nothing more than the author's smoothing over the FACT that these people ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Such semantic trickery has only one purpose...to "sugar coat" this very real problem in order to promote the writer's particular prejudices and biases.
At least Lou Dobbs' prejudices and biases are FOR America and its Laws, not the CRIMINAL HOARD that constantly invades and is destroying our country.
This invasion is simply economic terrorism that is condoned and promoted by Corporate interests whose only concern is their bottom line.
"America Be Damned" should be emblazoned on all their buildings...for it is their true motto, nay their real self-serving mantra.
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Posted by: illit on Jun 16, 2007 10:23 AM
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Has anyone in MSM ever addressed the true cost of this? Will Bush finally accomplish the complete destruction of Social Security?
And other than 'leprosy' , what is said about:
"Lou's Top 5 List
Top 5 Dumbest Things in the Immigration Bill
5) Taxpayers will pay for the immigration lawyers for illegal aliens if working in agriculture.
4) Illegal aliens would be given legal status just one day after their application is filed even if a background check is not completed.
3) Gang members are eligible for amnesty if they renounce their gang status.
2) Borders do not have to be secure before the amnesty program begins.
1) $2,600,000,000,000 -- That is the cost the Heritage Foundation estimates to cover the retirement benefits of 12,000,000 illegal aliens if this amnesty bill becomes law."
This government cannot process a request for a US passport in less than 2 months, how will it ever back-ground check millions??
ENOUGH - simply enforce current law.
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Posted by: dlf on Jun 17, 2007 8:22 AM
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The same stories are being told by people in more industries this time around, and the same baseless arguments are being used to refute personal anecdotes. I am reminded of the many people who refute the systemic presence of racism in this country, because they aren't victims of it. That is just outrageous. How is the virtual blackout of American stories on this issue any different from any other example of propaganda throughout history?
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» that is a blatant lie...... Mexico's sovereignty is NOT threatened the same as ours......
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Posted by: Spock on Jun 17, 2007 9:15 AM
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Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jun 17, 2007 2:33 PM
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I've pointed out repeatedly that BILLIONS of people would like to move here. How would the AlterNet open-borders devotees respond to that?
By ignoring it altogether, and foisting more neocon nonsense on us.
Utterly shameless!
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Here in Arizona we have a problem with illegals driving without a license and without insurance, high rate of hit and run accidents, so just being an illegal is not the only law that they feel they can skip. Some are starting fires at the border to distract the Border Guards; fires at a time that fires can get out of control. So don't tell us that they are all law abiding.
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Posted by: DinTN on Jun 20, 2007 2:58 PM
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Yea, that matches the story a little better.
By Mark Potok, "Intelligence" Report....?
Intelligence? Hardly. There's NO SUCH thing as an "undocumented migrant"! Migrants are LEGAL you half-whit.
They're not migrants, they're ILLEGAL ALIENS.
If AlterNet insists on publishing such stupidity written by half-whitted-open-borders-pro-illegal aliens, well I guess I'l just stop reading and subscribing to such nonscence.
Sensible, informed readers clearly see your agenda.
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Posted by: Prophit on Jun 20, 2007 4:17 PM
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"Are the 20 million illegals, that are the subject of the new law, here legally or illegally???"
THAT IS THE FRIGGEN QUESTION!!!! I don't care which disease they bring with them, if they come illegally, they are not medically checked out prior to entry, so it doesn't matter, what matters is DID THEY GET HERE BY BREAKING OUR LAWS OR NOT!!!????? ANSWER THAT ONE AND ALL THIS BREW HAHA ABOUT DOBBS IS JUST A DEFLECTION AND DISTRACTION.... THE ISSUES REMAIN... LEGAL VS ILLEGAL....
GOT IT???
There is an old saying "fool me once (1980's under first bush) shame on you, fool me twice SHAME ON ME"!!! You will NEVER FOOL ME AGAIN. NO MORE AMNESTY.... COME THE SAME WAY OUR FOREFATHERS CAME...... LEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: karensickler51 on Jun 21, 2007 10:24 AM
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I find that the necessity to maintain the "homeland", in the manner in which it has "become accustomed", disturbing. Our standard of living has been given to us on the backs of millions of exploited working men and women who have been used to earn the rich unequaled luxury and the poor an unequaled poverty.
The elites have systematically given the working people just enough wealth to keep them wage slaves with no energy or education to do anything else. In addition we, as consumers, have been taught that we must have the best, brightest toys, the latest fashions, and always watch (Survivor or American Idol) our T.V. The public, as a whole, is unthinking and unaware; a giant behemoth lumbering towards the edge of the precipice. We have been bought and sold to the highest bidder, international corporate entities.
The elimination of the middle class (Which, by the way, was invented to protect the rich from the poor in the early eighteen hundreds.)via hiring illegals, increasing HB1 Visas, outsourcing jobs, etc., will eventually bite the elites that are promoting this social experiment. Illegal immigration is a distraction, as is most of what we get that is called information. It is time for a new chapter in American history.
I am quickly reaching the opinion that we should all just let it happen. Let the elites go where their corporate masters lead. In the end, the people will have had enough and chaos and anarchy will end up the rule.
While this will be extremely destructive for many innocent people, eventually we may end up with a real democracy. We surely do not have one now, and have not had one for many years.
VIVA la Revolucion!???
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