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Falwell and Savage Christians: A Legacy of Hate and Violence

By Margaret Kimberley, Black Agenda Report. Posted May 31, 2007.


Evangelist hit-man Jerry Falwell's career as a racist propagandist was excised from the record, following his death last week, and the media has ignored threats from his followers -- Christians who are willing to commit terrorist acts and die for their faith.
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"The true Negro does not want integration. ... He realizes his potential is far better among his own race." -- Rev. Jerry Falwell

The late Rev. Jerry Falwell was one of the most powerful men in American religious and political life. He was also an avowed segregationist, contending that Africans were the cursed descendants of Ham, and worthy only of subservience to white people. He was an adamant opponent of civil rights legislation, calling the Civil Rights Act a "civil wrong."

His segregationist ardor became inconvenient when he sought a national audience. He removed many of his sermons from the 1950s and 1960s from his Liberty University archive. His lies paid off as the media made Falwell the Christian spokesman for all issues related to religion and politics. They soft-pedaled or even ignored his attacks on the civil rights movement. Yet Falwell's followers were under no misapprehension. They knew what their man wanted and followed in his foot steps.

Mark Uhl, a student at Liberty University, was in possession of homemade bombs when he was arrested at Falwell's funeral. He reportedly planned to use them against any protesters who might disrupt the festivities. Uhl had this to say on the social networking website My Space. "Christians, fear of death, fear of death. The fear of death shows you don't believe." He added this eye opening statement as well. "God needs soldiers to fight so his children may live free. Are you afraid??? I'm not. SEND ME!!!" Uhl sounds an awful lot like Osama bin Laden, who exhorts Muslims not to fear death when fighting in the name of their religion.

While Americans have been told to fear Islam and all things Muslim, Christians are riding around with home made bombs. The Uhl story was mentioned by the media for only a day or two. The threat from Christians who publicly express a willingness to die for their faith goes unreported.

The terror attack that took place on September 11, 2001 was an aberration in more ways than one. Muslims were the perpetrators, but that is usually not the case. The purveyors of hate and violence in America are almost always Christians.

Recently members of that same group had a collective hissy fit about Muslims. A Pew poll indicated that a small number of American Muslims, a minority of only 8 percent, considered suicide bombing acceptable under certain circumstances. The vast majority, 78 percent, said suicide bombing against civilian targets was never acceptable.

The selective outrage was immediate, but few commentators pointed out what Christians tell pollsters about their urge to maim and kill. Most Christians, 65 percent of Protestants and 72 percent of Catholics, believe that torture is justifiable under certain circumstances. Nearly half of Americans, 46 percent, believe that it may be acceptable to deliberately target civilian populations in war time. An average of 75 percent of Muslims in Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia and Morocco believe that such attacks are never acceptable.

Just as it is unfair to smear all Muslims with the legacy of bin Laden, it would be unfair to smear all Christians as disciples of Jerry Falwell. Muslims are constantly asked to denounce their members who are terrorists. Why is there no similar demand of Christians? Will the good Christians, the peaceful ones, ever speak out against their co-religionists who carry bombs in their cars or drop them on civilians in Iraq?

The public reaction to Falwell's death showed how ineffectual the supposedly good Christians have become. Few were willing to point out the numerous examples of his hate speech. An opportunity was lost because of ridiculous prohibitions against speaking ill of the dead. The good Christian soldiers don't know how to fight.

Christians perpetrated the crusades, the inquisition, the slave trade and imperial adventures too numerous to mention. It may be comforting to pat ourselves on the back and consign those behaviors to past centuries. We are living in the 21st century after all. Who would use the name of the Christian God to justify mass killing? A majority of modern day American Christians, that's who.

Perhaps the argument used against Muslims should be applied to Christians instead. Their religion has been hijacked by fundamentalist fanatics while the non-fanatics remain silent. The term clash of civilizations is definitely a misnomer. There can be no clash unless both sides are in fact civilized. Any assertion of American civilization is clearly open to question.


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Jerry Lies No More
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 31, 2007 12:42 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You've got to hand it to Jerry Falwell. Talk about perfect timing! The man chaose the perfect moment to buy the farm, did he not? As the disgusting administration of George W. Bush is in the process of implosion, it appears that the so-called "Reagan Revolution" - which Falwell, more than any other single "human being" is responsible for bringing about - is deader than Jerry and Ronnie combined.

Consider this:

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness, sake.
For their's is the kingdom of Heaven.

Examine those words very closely. Those are the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospel According to Matthew, known famously as the Sermon on the Mount. Ask yourselves this question: in reading those words, did the name of Jerry Falwell come to mind? I didn't think so.

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY.
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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RE: Jerry Lies No More
Posted by: John Edward on May 31, 2007 5:22 AM   
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For that matter, who are the peacemakers in the Bush administration?

RIGHT! There aren't any.

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» RE: Jerry Lies No More Posted by: Salvapath
» RE: Jerry Lies No More Posted by: TJ-stars4peace
» RE: Nice one, TJ! Posted by: Tom Degan
» Thank GOD The bastard's dead Posted by: common intelligence
» RE: Jerry Lies No More Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
» RE: Jerry Lies No More Posted by: e.m.p.
» RE: Jerry Lies No More Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
Christ vs. Conservatism: A Serious Conflict
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 31, 2007 1:15 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
When you're through reading all of the great comments here on AlterNet, read what I wrote on this very subject last summer:

Christ vs. Conservatism: A Serious Conflict

Cheers!

Tom Degan

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» Kudos from a Nontheist Posted by: edith
Count the Bombs and Islam Wins Every Time
Posted by: edith on May 31, 2007 1:22 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"The purveyors of hate and violence in America are almost always Christians."

Well, in a nation that is over 90% "Chrisitian", that will happen. That observation by the author is as intelligent as a statement that "The purveyors of hate and violence in Iraq are almost always Muslims."

Perhaps law enforcement should cease all efforts to stop terrorist plots by Muslims against civilian targets in America and in the West. Then we could give Muslim purveyors of violence an equal opportunity to kill and maim.

In fact, putting aside the ridiculous views of Jerry Falwell, his followers have caused negligible criminal damage to persons and property compared with the horrendous toll Islamist extremism has caused from North Africa to Afghanistan. I'm not arguing for American intervention. I'm simply stating that Islam is right now the most violent faith on Earth.

America's own violence in the Persian Gulf region is based not on religion but on oil strategic interests. Falwell may have been a quack, but he was a piker when it came to urging his followers to destroy and maim. This article tries to make something out of nothing.

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» Devil in the Details Posted by: edith
» RE: Devil in the Details Indeed Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
» RE: Devil in the Details Indeed Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: In USA Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
» RE: Palestinians are terrorists Posted by: eretzisrael
» RE: I don't think so! Posted by: eretzisrael
» RE: And who cares Posted by: eretzisrael
Not so different after all eh?
Posted by: White middleclass male on May 31, 2007 2:26 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Looks like the Christians are willing to declare Jihad just like that Palestinian that is right now strapping on his suicide vest to blow up an Israeli school bus filled with children.

At the end of the day a theist is just a theist. When will people learn that “god' is just meant to control the minds and the money of stupid people?

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» Yeah, it's different. Posted by: edith
» RE: Yeah, it's different. Posted by: russianblue1
Badly biased article
Posted by: EasterBunny on May 31, 2007 2:53 AM   
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yeah, Falwell was a reactionary, racist jackass, but why should that be used to excuse the crimes of reactionary, racist, sexist, Islamic terrorists?

here's one of the most absurd quotes:

"The term clash of civilizations is definitely a misnomer. There can be no clash unless both sides are in fact civilized. Any assertion of American civilization is clearly open to question."

what, because of falwell? it takes more than a few reactionary jackasses to undermine an entire civilization. this whole article was hyperbole field day.

and we're supposed to buy into the idea that the muslim world is MORE civilized? yeah sure, throwing acid on women who don't wear head scarves. That's civilized. give me a break.

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» RE: Badly biased article Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Burning girls is not misogyny. Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: Burning girls is not misogyny. Posted by: EasterBunny
» Unbiased= making stuff up? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Unbiased= making stuff up? Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: Unbiased= making stuff up? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Unbiased= making stuff up? Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: Unbiased= making stuff up? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» educational project Posted by: EasterBunny
» Better Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: the proof is in the running Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: the proof is in the running Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: the proof is in the running Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: the proof is in the running Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: the proof is in the running Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: the proof is in the running Posted by: Joshua Holland
» one last attempt Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: one last attempt Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: one last attempt Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: Badly biased post Posted by: dkm
» RE: Badly biased post Posted by: EasterBunny
» Wait a second Posted by: Joshua Holland
» I should put it another way... Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: I should put it another way... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» YOU think it's surreal, huh? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» Definitely surreal Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Definitely surreal Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: Definitely surreal Posted by: Joshua Holland
» What BUSH and Joshua Holland have in common Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» Don't be coy Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Don't be coy Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: Don't be coy Posted by: Joshua Holland
claptrap
Posted by: kenhymes on May 31, 2007 3:29 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The whole article was a series of obviously bad comparisons. It reads like a piece from a late 60's high-school level underground magazine (of which I have a few laying around). Can Alternet really find nothing more cogent or reasoned, or investigative, on such a fraught topic?

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» RE: claptrap Posted by: Joshua Holland
All or Nothing Hogwash
Posted by: daren on May 31, 2007 4:07 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Bravo to the many well-written and accurate comments noting this article's bias in favor of Islam. The problem is not Christian or Muslim. The problem is religion. Any group that charges its participants with the task of belief without reason deserves a little extra scrutiny from the law-enforcement community--the specific religious dogma involved is largely irrelevant.

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» RE: book, The Master Game Posted by: Lauren
Falwell's Legacy
Posted by: RevPhat on May 31, 2007 5:03 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I too have been dismayed by the silence of the church. But what can we expect when the President continues his saber-rattling towards Iran with the blessings of the Religious Reich? The logical extension is that one of Falwell's students would bring a bomb to the funeral. I wrote about it here.

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» RE: Falwell's Legacy Posted by: edith
» Except Fred Phelps Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: Falwell's Legacy Posted by: Lauren
Sonny and Cher
Posted by: pcushniesr on May 31, 2007 6:50 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"And the beat goes on and on..."

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The Money Man
Posted by: magistre on May 31, 2007 6:56 AM   
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Besides the aforementioned "accomplishments" theres a real good chance that Falwell was the "banker" for many "black-ops" programs and other things such as the Washington D.C. pedophile-ring.

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» RE: The Money Man Posted by: Lauren
Comics strip: Falwell in Hell
Posted by: LMNOP on May 31, 2007 7:25 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Check out this new comic strip called Falwell in Hell.

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» Top-notch satire. Thanks. Posted by: eddie torres
Falwell, Bush et al. are antichrist not ChristiansI
Posted by: MLO on May 31, 2007 8:11 AM   
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I mean the term "antichrist" in the terms Paul used in his letters to the early Churches when he warned that the Deceiver would send a false spirit unto them to corrupt and deceive the churches into practicing blasphemies. Any man who would preach violence in the name of Christ is antichrist. And, Dominionism, (Bush and Falwell's Eschatological Belief), is a grave and blasphemous heresy.

Like so many non-Christians and faux Christians, you make the mistake of believing that Religiosity and false theology is equal to Christianity. It is not. Christianity is, in reality, a very, very small community of believers. It just seems large because of all the "cultural" Christians who preach and practice antichrist tenants such as violence. I have met very few real Christians - those who devote their lives to Christ and know they are in no place to judge where someone else is or isn't.

Christians are not of this world once they accept Christ. This does not mean there is no responsibility within this world. We are judged by what we do. Martyrdom is valued - but only if you did not engage in violence to bring it on.

Now, the idea that Christians started the Crusades is just a historical lie. Islam was originally started and expanded by a conqueror mentality - specifically, by the sword. Study dhimmitude before going on about the wonders of Islam - now political religiosity in historical Christendom is no better, but they were antichrist, not of Christ. Islam swept through the Middle East destroying Christian enclave after Christian enclave. This is a historical fact. The Crusades were an answer to a call for help by the Byzantine Christians to the Holy See in Rome. That fact seems to be lost on modern popular and "politically correct" historians. (Both the right and left are filled with people who think there is a nice little answer absolving either side. There isn't.)

Ask the present day Coptics (non-Western and non-Nicene Christian sect) in Egypt can attest, Islamic governments encourage violence against Christians. I have studied early monotheism in depth and know the violence that was propagated between Christian factions as far out as Beijing. That, however, came from religiosity, not Christianity. Christianity is not meant to be of this world in the same way Islam or Judaism are.

Christians in the Islamic world have only truly thrived when a sectarian government - not a Muslim government - has been in place. Think Syria. Even Turkey is not that great for Christians - ask an Armenian about that.

I take umbrage at the idea that anyone who would call themselves a Christian who would support violence against another in the name of morals or religion. That is the spirit of antichrist, not of Christ. Christ taught the forgiveness of sins and the loving of one's enemies. To do otherwise is to inflict the Crucifixion upon Christ once again.

Pray not for Peace, but for Christ's quick return. As things look now, we are going to destroy ourselves pretty darn quickly.

Pax,

MLO

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We can do it
Posted by: willymack on May 31, 2007 10:16 AM   
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We all have within us the ability to create and maintain a just society. All we need to do is to avoid distractions such as capitalism and religion. The concepts espoused by our Founders are far from being realized, and a new direction must be sought.

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Confusing Religion with Politics
Posted by: mgloraine on May 31, 2007 10:38 AM   
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Americans are not likely to be squeamish about social taboos like speaking ill of the dead. But it's not exactly fair to launch personal attacks against someone who is no longer able to respond. If you really had a bone to pick with Falwell, you missed your chance.

What is still relevant is the dispensation of the political organization and accumulated assets he leaves behind. When someone arises and attempts to wrap himself in the MANTLE of Jerry Falwell, then the next opponent will have identified himself and you may fire at will. Feel free to debunk any Falwellian Mythology which may arise.

One of the most common problems people have is understanding that the Falwell organization was created to be a political cash-cow with Jerry as the figurehead or "poster-boy". All of the Religionist tirades and trappings are strictly for effect. The real mission is to make lots of money to be used to sponsor political candidates and initiatives. That's politics no matter how many times they praise Jesus.

The same can be seen to be true of Al Qaeda, Hamas, and all of the so-called Islamist groups. They throw around a bit of Muslim jargon, declare a jihad, then pursue military and political objectives. These are also not religious groups, and religious differences per se are not the actual motives for their actions.

To debate which religion may be in error is to fall into the false dilemma set by political opponents with political (and economic) axes to grind. It will be necessary to see through the smokescreens on all sides to get an idea of the true motives and objectives of people like Falwell and bin Laden.

Forget about what they say. Observe what they do with their money and materiel.

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Falwell's in richly deserved hell... leave him there and leave him alone
Posted by: xbj on May 31, 2007 11:00 AM   
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The sooner the rest of us forget this monster ever existed, the better off the human race will be.

Because remembering doesn't do shit; we remembered Viet Nam and got Iraq; we remembered Hitler and got Bush; we remembered Stalin and got Cheney; we remembered Jezebel and got Condoleeza Rice, "drunk with the blood of the Innocents."

Let these bastards rest in hell, and spit on their graves.

Once. And then wipe them from the face of all human history, forever.

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Faith is the problem!
Posted by: persian on May 31, 2007 10:59 AM   
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Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same at the core.Their differences are due to their historical experiences. Believers use their faith as a rallying cry to get justice for any imagined or real wrong was done to them.
I think the real problem is the faith itself, the problem is when we see supposedly fully evolved human beings still believe that the creator sacrificed his son for our sin or picked a very horny middle age arab to be his prophet.

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» RE: Faith is the problem! Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: Faith is the problem! Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: Faith is the problem! Posted by: edgar_michel
Christian extremists too chicken to die for their causes, so far
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on May 31, 2007 12:10 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The threat from Christians who publicly express a willingness to die for their faith goes unreported.

That's because they DON'T go through with it. Maybe one or possibly two abortion clinic killers have ended up dead themselves (correct me if it's more), and that's been about it. So far! I'll grant that it's something to worry about for the future.

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Sharon Dupree
Posted by: SEDGFLD on May 31, 2007 12:25 PM   
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AMEN!

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You think Falwell's bad? Google JOHN HAGEE!!
Posted by: ibemee on May 31, 2007 2:02 PM   
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Hagee preaches NOTHING BUT Hate for everyone/everything who does not support Israel and the Bush agenda! He makes "documentaries" that purport to translate the Bible into an instruction manual for murdering Arabs and deatroying Islam - and BushCo's enemies. He EVEN MEETS WITH THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, TO FORM POLICY AS IF HE WAS A PART OF THE PRESIDENTS CABINET!

I thought it was against the law for a NON-PROFIT religion to preach politics? Apparently not so, as long as they preach FOR Zionists!

PLEASE google Hagee!! There's no way I can tell you all his Sacreligious SINS! All his TAX-FREE BILLIONS and all his PROPERTY TAX-FREE ACRES - ENORMOUS RANCH, WITH EVERY PART OF IT TAX FREE.

While the filthy fat frog wallows in money, preaching for the PNAC-'neo-cons' and Israel he scams the gullible and exhorts them to bigotry and hate while frightening them into sending more and more money to him, to 'save' Israel and to help him support BushCo to fight off the "Terrorists" who are about to kill American babies... or they'll go to hell, of course.

Well, if people are sent to Hell for being STUPID, it's sure going to be crowded!!

PS~ if you have a strong stomach, watch him on a Sunday and see for yourself what a HATE-MONGER and ZIONIST he is! He's on FOX--- (surprise!?)

MEANWHILE ~ WHY THE HELL IS HE ALLOWED THE TAX-FREE STATUS??? HE IS DEFINATELY NOTHING B-U-T POLITICAL!! Our schools, education and police and should be benefitting from his obscene tax-free income!
WHAT A HYPOCRITICAL SOB!!! He makes Falwell look like a piker.

BTW- don't JUST google --- use a couple other search engines too - because lately there are a lot of "Not Found" pages at google concerning certain BushCo/AEI/PNAC searches. >:-(

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» God Hates Fags Posted by: fanny666
Christian Terrorists
Posted by: dkm on May 31, 2007 2:37 PM   
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Several people seem to be under the illusion that Christians are not terrorists. Allow me to list just a few who have managed to get into the news. There are more that have been apprehended, but Ashcroft and then Gonzales found it inconvenient to make a big deal about them.

McVeigh, the various antiabortionist groups, the white supremacist groups, this knucklehead at Liberty U, the woman who was running a summer camp to train Christian jihadists in North Dakota, the KKK, The Reconstructionists, The Yunque, and so on.

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» McVeigh was an agnostic Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: Didn't know you Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
» makes no sense Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: It is ok to defend one's faith Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
» still making no sense Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» i'm not a Christian, but you're very funny Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: Christian Terrorists Posted by: e.m.p.
Falwell's racism
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on May 31, 2007 3:17 PM   
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Inevitably, almost everyone here is having "fun" with the author's rather odd take on Christian terrorism, but she's right about Falwell's racism.

No surprise that Falwell removed '60s sermons from his archives. But when he died the MSM barely mentioned his enthusiastic support of the apartheid regime in South Africa, just for one more recent example. Anyone who was reading newspapers in the '80s might recall that, but a lot of his obits didn't even go into that.

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» RE: Falwell's racism Posted by: Lauren
These "Christians" are Really The Biggest Terrorists of All
Posted by: sofla100 on May 31, 2007 3:32 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is because of this group of "Christians" that the USA has its currrent political leader. Our Repub. president would never have been elected without this right-wing base of support The net result:

War in Iraq, thousands of Americans and tens, perhaps hundreds of thosands of Iraqi's dead.

A systematic and progressive erosion of America's constitution. Precedent set for illegal evesdropping, torture and illegal imprisonment.

An escalation of "global warming," and pending potential global enviornment catastrophe.

The continuation of "free trade" in many countries. Tens of thousands working in slave labor conditions in countries such as China, to the benefit of American corporations and "inevstors."

It goes on and on. Don't just look at terrorism as the desperate acts of a few, it can and often is the systematic policy of one country towards another or one economic class towards another.

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» Mawkish Pap Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
The protestors at Falwell's funeral? FRED PHELPS' CHURCH!
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on May 31, 2007 3:34 PM   
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That's the most annoying thing about this article. She leaves out the detail that the only protestors at Falwell's funeral were a REAL Christian terrorist group!

Phelps delighted in Falwell's death and called him a "corpulent false prophet," among many other zingers that must be causing a commotion down below.

Mark Uhl, the potential Christian terrorist cited by the author, would have been killing other Christian terrorists IF he had actually done anything. But she's upset that the news media did not report Uhl's thoughts about his non-action.

"Man considers biting dog" is not news.

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Falwell and his Moral right....
Posted by: eosrk on May 31, 2007 4:15 PM   
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have caused this nation to go from no 1 to no. 3 in exporting, but no 1 in outsourcing, destroyed the living wages of the middle class, created an class system similar to Britian, where the super rich ruled everything, with an pastor leading them to Hell!

Thank you, Moral Majority, whom have managed to bring down the quality of life here, have installed an multi-billion dollar prison business, but however......your plans did backfired badly with the introduction of the internet. Though you have succeded in keeping getthoes seperate from thriving suburbanites, the internet links everybody......everybody!!

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Truth shed on Religious Right
Posted by: Progressive Citizen on Jun 2, 2007 10:08 PM   
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This article is insightful in that it explains much of the nature of the Religious Right's rise through the lens of race, which is a link far too little explored.

Basically, the Religious Right--and modern social conservatism--is the revenge of the segregationists. I am not saying that every member, or even most members of the Religious Right are segregationists today, but their rigid and exclusive worldview appears like it is a relic stemming from the slaveholding, segregated South.

In fact, according to the recent book American Theocracy by Kevin Phillips (who knows a thing or two about the modern Right, as he wrote the book The Emerging Republican Majority and helped engineer the rise of the GOP in the 1960s and 1970s), the original Baptist Church was highly egalitarian for its day and even gave women far more status within the Church than most other denominations at the time.

It was only when the Baptist Church branched into the slaveholding South that its Southern Baptist denomination arose, and this branch of the Church accommodated itself to the class-ridden, elitist ways of a slaveholding society, one of them being the rigid and narrow judgments of human beings that do not fit into perfect, sterile little boxes. This trait carried on as slavery became Jim Crow.

Today the open defense of racism by the Religious Right has become muted and their exclusive and domineering core values have been openly used against gays for being themselves and women for seeking equality.

Yet the key values of the Religious Right, and the modern Right as a whole, have their roots in the slaveholding and Jim Crow South. And these values play themselves out in a wide variety of political actions, from the Federal Marriage Amendment farce to the blood-soaked tragedy in Iraq.

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Kill gays for God?
Posted by: ebachan on Jun 4, 2007 12:04 PM   
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"If a man lays with another man, as he layeth with a woman, he is deserving of death and his blood shall be spilt." A clear commandment from God to kill gays. And while this is an extreme example, there are multiple verses in the Bible clearly calling for murder and even genocide upon some poor undeserving group. While most of these quotes come from the Old Testament from the time before the new covenant with God, these books are also in the New Testament. The Bible is a convoluted and frequently self-conflicting book as evidenced from the 6 stories of the resurrection, each with significant differences as to whom was first to arrive, what they saw, and where Jesus went and who he saw on the day of resurrection.
The Bible teaches to kill certain people because of their beliefs or action. It teaches that non-believers are fools. And a host of other babble that if main stream media were to spew forth as their ideas would have them behind bars in minutes. Yet, call hate the word of God and we wind up with the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas protesting at GI funerals because "American soldiers are being killed in Iraq as vengeance from God for protecting a country that harbors gays. " Apparently, love, forgiveness, and acceptance are not something practiced at this House of God or unfortunately, in the hearts and minds of many of our fellow Christians.

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FALWELL WAS NEVER FOR A SINGLE SECOND A CHRISTIAN
Posted by: xbj on Jun 6, 2007 11:03 PM   
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Anymore than Bush was. They are both Christianists, which is a branch of Luciferianism that seeks to actively co-opt and destroy Christianity by turning it into a radical activist political fundamentalist "holy" warrior terrorist behemoth to fight endlessly against militant Islamicist terrorism, itself a branch of Luciferianism. Lucifer's goal is to get both groups to destroy themselves against each other by the MILLIONS, and to completely lose their souls in the process. Falwell helped INVENT Christianism out of the boundless hate, powerlust, and greed in his own soul. While rogue elements in American intelligence cultivated militant Islamicist terrorism for personal gain through offense contracting and arms sales.

The god that Falwell and Bush (and many others) pray to is Lucifer, not Jesus Christ. As the god that Islamic terrorists pray to is not Allah either, but Lucifer.

Lucifer is the god and creator of hate and revenge and death and "just" war and jihad and "holy" war and the "war" "against" "terror"; Jesus Christ is God of love and peace.

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shd11230
Posted by: shd1230 on Jun 13, 2007 12:55 PM   
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I would say that there is no such thing as "the Christians" and I suspect that is true of "the Muslims" as well--it's just that in some places these militants are in the majority and are able to get away with their murders under the guise of some "god."

The message taught by Jesus of Nazareth was not one of violence nor of killing. That much should be evident from reading the words ascribed to him in the New Testament. "What is the greatest commandment?" he was asked by the Pharisees, who were seeking to entrap him scripturally.

The greatest commandment, he answered, was "Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind." The second, he added, had the same meaning--"Love your fellow-man AS YOURSELF." Now he knew, as we know, that both of those commandments are impossible to obey--but that to him meant only that we should spend all our lives trying to do both.

I am not a "theist." I have long since come to the conclusion that "God" in any form is an invention of mankind designed to explain the unexplainable and fathom the unfathomable. People like Jerry Falwell who cry "Lord, Lord," will, if anything, be confronted with a Jesus who will say to them in that day "Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity--I know ye not."

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